Ah, Denuvo; the anti-tamper tech that a lot of gamers hate. And while some people may claim that this attitude comes from the fact that the games powered by it are hard to crack, the latest triple-A game powered by it, PREY, has already been cracked.
While it did not break the record for the fastest Denuvo-powered game cracked, it’s a real surprise that the latest, and more powerful, version of the Denuvo is unable to protect these games for more than ten days.
For what it’s worth, Resident Evil VII remains the fastest cracked Denuvo-powered game as it was cracked in just five days, while Mass Effect: Andromeda is close to PREY as it was cracked in ten – more or less – days.
The point here is that there is now simply no reason for publishers to use Denuvo, as a respectable number of PC gamers boycott the games powered by it. Why there is no point you ask? Because this anti-tamper tech has already been cracked. And while it may prevent pirates from playing a game from day-1, the same can be achieved with Steam’s very own DRM.
Not only that, but some publishers appear to keep using Denuvo, despite the fact that their games have already been cracked. Obviously, this won’t help at all the PC sales of their titles as those who want to pirate those games will do so. Therefore, one has to wonder whether using Denuvo is actually profitable at this point or not.
What’s also interesting is that Bethesda removed the Denuvo anti-tamper tech from DOOM the moment that game was cracked. And since PREY has been cracked, we are wondering whether the publisher will do the same with this title.
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“But because this anti-tamper tech has already been cracked.” Take away the ‘but’.
On Topic, if it’s cracked, where the fk is it?
Skidrow.
No it’s not SKIDROW don’t give them credit for someone work!
It’s was BALDMAN ,russian dude from exelab also cracked NieR, and SGW3, all .exe’s are clear whole denuvo code is clean out.
And all games runs faster, for example PREY have ~15fps boost 😉
That could be a good reason to they (all the publishers, not only BA) stop using it.
“all .exe’s are clear whole denuvo code is clean out.”
Now thats impressive.
Did I give them credit? He asked where to find it and I told him that he can find it at Skidrow. And if he goes to the Skidrow page he’ll see that the game has BALDMAN in its title. It’s credited.
Wait, so it was not CPY? You mean there’s another group out there that can crack Denuvo’s latest protection?
Even better, actually, as CPY [would?] circumvent/s Denuvo, whereas BALDMAN is removing it entirely, apparently O.o
Wait, the Denuvo-cracked games run better, as in a noticeable performance boost, compared to when it had Denuvo? Is there a reliable source? Please, spread the word if there is.
Because if it’s true, I hate Denuvo even more. Are these stupid publishers even aware that making your “legit” purchased game, THAT YOU PAID MONEY FOR, run worse than the pirated one, THAT YOU GET FOR FREE, is a boneheaded move and will result in (more) bad PR.
next game from arkane studios: console exclusive ROFL!
All of their games have been cracked except Dishonored 2 which was such a mess that they offer it to try it for free on Steam, and still they continued to develop for all three platforms.
The low sales of uncracked dishonored 2 on consoles prove otherwise.
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/85661/dishonored-2/
1.44 Milion on ps4
http://steamspy.com/app/403640
576,679 on steam,
lol next game console exclusive,pc is dying
so you saying games dont sell well on consoles but UNCRACKED games sell worse on pc, especially if they are badly optimized…and that is a sign of pc gaming dying?
Steam gets thousands releases a week, but that one game did not sell, therefore pc gaming is dying….lol
Sanctum 2 console sales did not even make the port costs, console gaming is dying.
Same logic.
Pointless? You clearly haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about. The most critical period for game sales are the first few days. If pirated versions of the game aren’t available within a day or two, many will just resort to buying it.
Denuvo has likely saved the publisher way more than it cost to implement.
agree,pc gaming need denuvo,without this protection pc gaming will dying!
Dude there are so many games coming out on pc that i dont even have time to reply to you, If this is what pc gaming dying looks like, then i like it.
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Never said anything of the sort. PC gaming is fine and will without a doubt survive without Denuvo.
You make it sound like pirates are impatient…
They are…
Then you don’t really know pirates. Most gamers have a backlog, I have personally waited for one that I wasn’t gonna purchase (due to not wanting to support the company) for 6-8 months (early days of successful denuvo) and no one complained… at least not the circle that I hang with.
So how did PC gaming survive for decades before Denuvo? PC gaming revenue has been increasing year after year before Denuvo as well. The only real effect that Denuvo has brought is that pirates have to wait a few weeks now and if the game is released in bad shape then that is the version that they will have to play or hope that the finally patched game gets cracked too.
Well, to be fair, this is a very recent times thing, actually, as when people were selling illegal copies on the side of the road, they were getting caught. Torrenting itself only started about 15 years ago with music & such. Before that people were passing around discs, & the video game companies weren’t giving a sh*t, because they knew they weren’t losing any sales to this. People shared, it was natural.
Now it’s criminal, “because we lose profits!” Or, well, shameful, at least, “because you’re taking money away from hard-working people!” or some such bullsh*t.
Considering games nowadays never release in good state and need patches and that pirates mostly live in poor countries with slow internet since rich countries have laws against piracy, i would say denuvo is pointless. Most of those pirates cant pirate a 60gb game on day one let alone day 2. 3 or 4.
Completely disregarding everything I wrote, nicely done. Denuvo doesn’t need to make all or even most of the pirates buy the game. It needs to save the publisher more than it costs to implement, which it probably is since the developers/publishers are choosing to use it despite it being cracked again and again. The extremely poor countries where hardly anyone buys legitimate games aren’t even part of the equation, because those people are not going to buy the game regardless. What matters is the part of the audience that do have the financial means to buy games, but pirate them if given the opportunity.
I didnt disregard everything i dissproved what you said really fast but since you are slow i will repeat it.
The most critical game sales are the first few days you say?
That was in the past. Nowadays gamers especially on pc have a huge backlog and most games are not functional on day one. So you gotta wait a while till they work. This is why games are not selling as fast as they did. Infact on pc, games sell the most in the long run thanks to lower prices and stability. But optimized games dont sell.
Now on pirates, if you live in a first world country, then go ahead try pirating, you will get caught. So you cant do it. Not to mention torrents arent exactly fast without everyone leeching. On the other hand if you live in some poor crap country, the speeds there are so slow that it will take alot of days to download a game.
So your argument on day one sales or the first few days dissapears.
“Denuvo doesn’t need to make all or even most of the pirates buy the game. It needs to save the publisher more than it costs to implement”
So your argument is not based on logic but the corporate idea of “does this cost us less money that it makes us in the long run”
Which is the same reason why dlc and season pass existing, not to mention releasing badly optimized games filled with bugs and fps caps or no fov slider.
“The extremely poor countries where hardly anyone buys legitimate games aren’t even part of the equation ecause those people are not going to buy the game regardless.”
Yes because they dont buy games, thats where all the piracy comes from. Poor countries are the majority of the world. So this whole thing is pointless, they simply do it because it is the standard corporate dogma rather making sense as shown in statistics.
“What matters is the part of the audience that do have the financial
means to buy games, but pirate them if given the opportunity.”
and how many are those because all first world countries have strict anti piracy laws and those who do have the money prefer to buy them from steam rather wait ages for some slow junk crap torrent without any updates to fix perfomance issues and bugs.
There are ofcourse gigantic morons who pirate because they can and would buy them if they couldnt like shredder, shressarki, or whatever that abnoxious idiot is called, but he is litteraly the 00.1%.
Long story short as long as denuvo is cheap they gonna keep implementing them and they will delay piracy from a relatively small amount of non consumers with a tiny portion of people that would have bought it if they werent idiots and they needed copy protection in order not to delve into unsafe sites to get a game for free, after a few days of slow downloading with alot of bugs due to no patching.
“It needs to save the publisher more than it costs to implement, which it probably is since the developers/publishers are choosing to use it despite it being cracked again and again.”
Ever hear of a little something called “keeping up appearances”?
“The extremely poor countries where hardly anyone buys legitimate games aren’t even part of the equation, because those people are not going to buy the game regardless.”
You do know that at one point the industry was actually delaying releases in Russia by weeks &/or months because they hated how Russia was constantly (allegedly) leaking their sh*t &/or just pirating it, right?
“rich countries have laws against piracy”
Honestly, I don’t think that makes a lick of difference to anyone except the site operators (& even those blokes can turn prosecuting them into a nightmare if they have the funds to do so). I recently read an article that total Internet traffic used to be 25% torrents just a few years ago, but today it’s down to about 5% (yes, I know, natural growth & all is also a factor in this, but) the article attributed this to the rise of streaming services like Netflix in recent times, which really, makes far more sense than “the laws got tougher!”
The UK just passed a law extending the maximum sentence for piracy from 2 years to 10, you think that’s going to make a difference? It’s like an ISP blocking TPB. Traffic takes a dip for a day, only for it to be right back to normal levels by the end of the week. It’s 2017, everyone’s long since figured out how to Google “My ISP blocked TPB. What do I do now?”
but if you pirate they will find out and lower your speed.
LOL. You must live in the US, the one country in the world wherein they actually give enough of a sh*t to do so – & that’s only because they’re bound by judicial order to do so.
Everyone else is basically completely up to the ISP in question, in the country in question. I’ve had State-owned ISPs that fail to block TPB even with judicial orders to do so, whereas the corporate ISP (with the better speeds >.>) actually obeys the order. It’s insane, & completely subjective.
Besides, VPN. They can’t block you for downloading something when they can’t even tell what it is, it opens them up to lawsuits, unless you’re going over your cap, or some such.
Also, as I recall, that little sh*t Sarkozy put in a 3-strikes program in France all those years ago, but it’s done sh*t for them as far as anyone who isn’t a corporate shill can tell.
And you know this…how exactly? You see to me it looks like you are talking out of your as*.
Denuvo keep saying how first few days is most important and then people like you are parroting it to masses.
Vast majority of pirates will wait for months if necessary. Since for most its not about being a d*ck by pirating while swimming in cash. They have no money to get it otherwise.
You are absolutely right, Publishers and developers are continuing to pay for Denuvo for absolutely nothing. They have all the numbers regarding their sales, but you sir have clearly got them bested with your immense knowledge about piracy.
You should really call up the big publishers out there and let them know they are throwing their money away on Denuvo. I am sure they will pay hefty sums for your valuable services.
They know people hate Denuvo and that people are choosing not to buy their games because of it, and yet they continue to use it. Buy don’t think about it too much, because there can’t possibly be a good reason for that.
“They know people hate Denuvo and that people are choosing not to buy
their games because of it, and yet they continue to use it.”
Ye this is insane to me. Sure they gonna listen to Denuvo…but denuvo is just trying to sell them their product no matter what so ofc they will tell them how game will sell much better with it. Even thou such numbers don’t exist. It will sell better, because it gonna push pirates to buy…WE THINK. We cannot provide any numbers since we would have to time-travel to aquaire those but just trust us! BUY DENUVO!
“Ye sadly they rather listen to company that is trying to sell them their product no matter what.” Why people dont understand that? ON everything not just drm, but EVERYTHING…eg dont listen to ign.
” Publishers and developers are continuing to pay for Denuvo for
absolutely nothing. They have all the numbers regarding their sales, but
you sir have clearly got them bested with your immense knowledge about
piracy.”
Please dont start this, you will lose. publishers and developers have done the stupidest choices ever. If they really have all the numbers and they know everything and they totally now what they are doing and how to project possible sales, then how did we get things like, resident evil 6, dead space 3, alien isolation, crysis 2 and 3, darksiders 2, mirrors edge and a sequel, despite the first game did not sell, alan wake, quantum break. Sleeping dogs. I could go on but my point is that devs and publishers often have no idea what they are freaking doing or what consumers want, they just hire a bunch of corporate suits and they give them some numbers that they pulled out of their a$$ and the final result is a disaster.
“You should really call up the big publishers out there and let them know
they are throwing their money away on Denuvo. I am sure they will pay
hefty sums for your valuable services.”
Hey instead of some corporate morons making the big bucks for giving bad advices, maybe we the gamers should tell them what we want. Worked well with doom 2016 and witcher 3….maybe it will this time too? Oh who am i kidding, just let these corporate suits to make the choices, after all their choices are right and this is why we ended up with such gems like say… deus ex invisible war and dungeon keeper mobile.
Titanfall 2…… Absolutely evidence of $60 games released in a close-knit window in the fall period have been cannibalising on each other for over a decade now.
I FINALLY HAVE PROOF! MUAHAHAHAHAHA 😀
“They have all the numbers regarding their sales”
And? It’s not like they have numbers from an alternate universe wherein the game in question was launched under the exact same circumstances, minus Denuvo.
All they can do is make general statements that “well, since we started implementing Denuvo, sales [insert].” Which can easily be attributed to any number of things from game quality to launch period to the f*cking economy.
Though of course, The Suits will make the argument that it’s their Anti-Piracy Initiative in action, because it makes them look good. Remember: nobody in this is unbiased; neither the consumer, the publisher, nor the developer. EVERYONE has an agenda, & nobody has any definitive proof to back anything up with.
Well, minus the fact that the exorbitant sales figures U-BE-SOFT & some other companies were screaming about losing out to piracy about for years on end there have turned out to be (surprise, surprise!) totally & utterly false, of course. Let’s all give a nice thank you to the MPAA & RIAA for a second for giving us the gloriously genius mindset of 1 download = 1 lost sale, shall we? 😀
“If pirated versions of the game aren’t available within a day or two, many will just resort to buying it.”
I don’t think the few people who would do that would account for a significant amount of sales.
As someone said already, the best way, today, to ensure success of your product, is to release it DRM free, and have a reasonable DLC model. In other words, offer value to your customer instead of taking a dump on him.
But… but…..
#Effort.
People thought cpy was impressive, this baldman dude has cracked 3 games in record time. wow. Does he ever sleep?
i think he cracked sleep
Denuvo might just be working on their next version. And when that releases someone else will crack it too.The latest the version is of Denuvo the faster it is getting cracked.
I wonder how long will it take for Denuvo to loose their minds and release a version that would affect performance in a severe manner.
“The latest the version is of Denuvo the faster it is getting cracked.”
Exactly. They spent a considerable amount of time & resources working on the original Denuvo release, whereas ever since all they’ve been doing is modifying that original underlying program, meaning it’s still basically the same thing, just modified. Unless they go back & redesign the entire program over & over continuously, they’re just going to end up being humiliated time & time again, until they eventually give up, crawl into a corner, & die.
I remember when Denuvo first came out how they said this DRM is uncrackable. I remember thinking, you know what, these guys just painted a big red bullseye on their backside. Hackers will just take that as a challenge and work even harder to crack it. I guess they will just keep churning out new and improved Denuvo forever and each one will get cracked if it’s a game that people want to play.
Denuvo themselves have never said that it was uncrackable,
even the marketing director Thomas Goebl said
‘There is no such thing as unbreakable protection’
I wonder if he removed that last letter from his surname at some point, or if maybe one of his ancestors did, in order to avoid being confused with him & his……
LOL.
i’m a pirate, i only play cracked games, why?
i live in algeria buying 60dollar game here costs 90% of average salary
not to mention the trouble and the bullshit involved in creating a bank account to fill the credit card
i hope steam adjust its pricing on my country, i’d love to support the many devs of the games that i loved and enjoyed
Denuvo isn’t meant for you. It’s meant for the people who can afford games yet still don’t pay for them.
basically. the vast majority of pirates come from regions like china, korea, Brazil, Russia, the middle east, areas that dont really have access to most of these big games. Also areas that heavily restrict content wise like Australia and Germany.
Well, “heavily” is a little much for the Germans, but definitely Australia, yeah. Fortunately things are slowly beginning to (very, very slowly) change “down under”, in regards to the rating (classification) system, though the pricing schemes remain as moronic as ever, from what I’m gathering.
A video game piracy article on Forbes from 2013 that I just found states,
“Just 20 countries or areas from a total of 250 accounted for a staggering three-quarters of total file-sharing activity. The top offenders – relative to population size – were Romania, Croatia, Ukraine, Greece, Poland, Italy, Armenia and Serbia.”
An article elsewhere indicated that the top ten worst offending countries (measured by alleged financial losses to the industry) are Italy, China, Spain, South Korea, Russia, Mexico, Taiwan, Brazil, Sweden and India
LOL!
Out of those 8 countries, 5 are in the EU, though only 2 of them are in the Euro currently (Italy & Greece), & the geniuses over at Brussels tried extending membership to the Ukraine, as well as having aspirations to add not just Serbia, but also the entire Georgia-Armenia-Azerbaijan block to their little project as well…….
LOL.
Yep! What also amused me was that of seeing several sites stating that Italy, based on data from a few years ago, has more video game pirates per head than anywhere else in the world. Italy is nominally the 8th largest economy in the world and is circa 13th in terms of GDP.
Vengeance! The EU destroys southern economies, so the EU f*cks with the shills ;D
Ha! Perhaps the Italians ought to make Denuvo ‘an offer they can’t refuse’ or else they’ll be ‘swimming with the fishes’!
And when they do refuse, does the head of EA’s CEO get stuffed into their beds? 😀
😮
That’s because southern Italy, if you want to believe it or not, is almost completely ran by the mafia. I read a report stating that 50% of the money in the south is in mafia hands.
@bubbob:disqus
What is the title of that Forbes article?
I would like to see how they determined the country of origin. Its not that hard to generate a torrent seed that appears to be in one country but is actually hosted in another. The same goes for the person downloading the torrent. I would be shocked if the tools pirates used for this kind of transaction did not include those features.
That’s bollocks! Pirates are from every country and pirate only coz they don’t wanna pay for it. Watching a film online is piracy, downloading a video and extracting the audio is piracy the list goes on so don’t preach to me and say you’ve never committed one act of piracy. We all have and if you say no then you’re a natural born liar! I guarantee everyone out there has done one act of piracy but thought it wasn’t piracy.
Are you kidding? you do realize not every country gets these games right? Never heard of region locks? Also there are countries where games are grossly overpriced… oh man… you know what? you’re trolling me right? You cant be this clueless…
Your comment was clearly worded so Tobias O’Brien appears to have reading comprehension issues.
Your comment seems to imply that all the people pirating are doing it because they don’t want to pay. Is it possible that many are doing it because they cannot pay? Or the game isn’t available to buy in their area? If you have a source that you could link to that supports your opinion then I would like to see it.
And yes, guilty as charged of piracy but not since the late 80’s.
@min64:disqus
Well that sucks for those countries. Lets keep in mind gaming is a privilege and not a right. No one has a right to own a computer, game system or game. Anyone who can afford such things can obtain them.
South Korea is definitely not one of them, that is a very rich country and they have an ample free marketplace that supports gaming.
North Korea can rot in hell.
China has had quite an increase in average incomes most of the restrictions on gaming is political.
Brazil has idiot trade politics that dictate if you don’t manufacture in their country they will tariff the living S out of you. So much in the way of high prices you see in this country is due to politics and a lack of support for free trade.
Russia is a mess but there is a gaming market there, there are studios there. Really no reason why Russians can’t pay for games in most of their regions, but it does get dicey in some regions. Much of this is politics.
Mid-East has many issues depending on which country you are talking about. Quite a bit of lack of support for free trade and free markets. Also it doesn’t help that most of the games are made in the land of the big devil.
Australia and Germany really need to pirate games to see the content they are missing? Are you suggesting those countries don’t have YouTube?
In any event you can’t just expect all international markets to have parity. Some people live in a region where an entire months salary would be required to buy just 1 game. Obviously that economy has a long way to go before it can be a viable marketplace for video games. They need to walk before they can run.
@min64:disqus
According to PC Gamer most pirates are from USA, UK and Canada.
To be fair (which none of you have done for me) this is representative of their audience and done via survey.
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and yet denuvo still applies for him.
That is unfortunate. The internet is global though so not putting denuvo on that regions games would be counter-intuitive to their process. I will side with the people that say it is pointless, though.
Most pirated games are downloaded from regions that dont have access to said game or get grossly overcharged. honestly if i had to pay $60 for every AAA i would pirate everything too. thankfully i can buy keys for $20-$40 so im not forced to pirate yet.
Here in Uruguay I saw a legit copy of The Last of Us (PS3 version) priced at 200 dollars at a shopping center, I bet most people even in first world countries would not be willing to pay that much, so asking for that price in a third world economy is pure insanity. You could probably get used copies for cheaper, the one I saw was brand new, but then again publishers don’t like used copies either.
Is that second hand/black market stuff or does sony actually sell new copies of those games in that country?
New copies get imported, I don’t imagine they sell much at those prices, there are usually second hand copies too but the ones I have seen in stores still hover around 100 dollars. You only match the standard first world 40-60 dollars price buying second-hand from random people using e-commerce sites and that’s still expensive for a country like this.
Thats the problem and why piracy is even a thing in certain areas. Lord Gaben said piracy was a service issue. Now if sony officially released games in your area and prices were in line with the average income of the population im sure piracy would be drastically reduced.
They probably don’t do it because it’s not worth it, Uruguay only has 3 million people. On the other hand, if it ever becomes worth it, the fertile ground to make it work was ironically laid by piracy, most people who game here were introduced to the hobby and maintained by Chinese knockoffs, pirated copies, etc. People don’t torrent stuff themselves for the most part, but there is a market for pirated stuff and it was really the only market here until very recently, for example you could go to stores and buy a console pre-hacked to play pirated copies and the games you bought from stores were all pirated too, originals are a rarity.
Because that made gaming available where it wouldn’t otherwise be, a gaming culture formed not unlike that in first world countries, so if anyone wants to expand here, they already have a prebuilt consumer base. This kind of happened with Brazil already, Steam is popular there because they expanded and adjusted prices to the region, Brazil was fertile ground for expansion because they had a strong gaming culture already built, only from pirated games. All Valve had to do was extend the service at a reasonable price and offer “legitimacy” to all the gaming that was already happening there and, no surprise, most people went legit, they were already buying games from stores anyway, only they were pirated copies because originals are ridiculously expensive and rare, so paying for games wasn’t much of a difference.
@lucben999:disqus
Brazil is a good example of how politics and government can totally eff up a marketplace. Brazil has very tough tariffs for any company not manufacturing in their country. It was the reason why the PS4 was so expensive there. So in many ways I bet the government has to do more with the thriving piracy than the free marketplace. 9 times out of 10 the government gets in the way of free enterprise.
@min64:disqus
You are kind of making an argument that people have a right to gaming. Which they do not.
Not all markets are created equally and game companies want to operate in markets where they can generate revenues from their efforts.
If you live in a country which you have had the same leader for more than 10 years that is likely a country that is not open to free market economics, which is kind of a requirement for a game industry to work in. Sure there are exceptions, but most of the places the game industry thrives are in free market economies.
@min64:disqus
Produce some evidence to back up this claim or retract your words. You haven’t revealed any data that supports your point of view so it is purely your speculation / wishful thinking.
I pay $48 with Amazon Prime for brand new $60 games. But I have skill-sets that are valuable in the workplace so I can pay for things that I want and don’t rely on theft for entertainment.
Wow a person with reasonable thinking skills. Are you unicorn?
@paulinsco:disqus
Around these parts I feel like Albert Einstein. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Only not quite so much. Albert Einstein was more of a humble man, didn’t have an ego like yours. 😉 Einstein also does not advocate for class warfare, like you just did with your backhanded remark of having skill sets that are valuable in the work place. Remember that without the “low skilled’ workers you do not get to go to the movies, you do not get to eat out. You do not get to stay at hotels. You do not get a shred of customer support on trivial things like finding out why your order is taking so long or a package is late or the truck driver that is far more critical society than you or I ever will be.
It’s a shame that your smugness went right over Paul’s head.
I read in New Zealand they have to pay over $100 for a game and $50 a month for capped internet.
Australia as well. They used to [try to] justify the price tags using “costly distribution fees” associated with shipping things so far & wide, but then companies like Adobe started selling their sh*t online for the exact same prices (digital versions obviously have no distribution fees), & the truth started to come out.
Sadly local governments don’t care enough to crack down on this sh*t, so it perseveres.
@disqus_dcshIJLulQ:disqus
They are free to move to a different country. No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head in Australia to stay there.
Oh, is that all they need to do? Pack up & move to a different country? Sh*t, why didn’t they think of that? Because apparently people don’t hate immigrants, right now?
F*cking genius, mate.
Pure. F*cking. Genius.
Typical right wing argument.
Thats awful…
Source? I would like to see proof that games are mostly pirated by low income cuntries
check google last i read over 80% of illegal dls came from countries that dont have access to these games legally like China.
Here in Egypt it is the exact same case , and it became way worse after our local currency became a floating one compared to dollars
lol… who cares ?
A lot of people besides your poor soul…
I just enjoy free games (or I can’t afford games), why everybody needs to write a justification that no one needs to read ?
“i’m a pirate” surpriiiise!
Crap excuse! So what your country is poor! Perhaps if your government cared more about its people then prices would be lower.
Or as long as you don’t create BS geo-locking for a digital product and restrict certain areas to certain languages.
That way, those who don’t care and can afford highest price will keep doing it, and those who need to save some money can do it without pirating.
That’s how it was for a while but these days they fèck you over with IP locking, no English language support or by banning your account for using the workaround.
@disqus_47qd59XJWq:disqus
So you are now saying a company that creates intellectual property doesn’t have the right to control which country pay which price?
Where are you people going to school is anyone teaching you basic economics? From my point of view this comment section is filled with economic illiteracy.
What makes you think people who can afford to pay more wouldn’t care if they could pay less? LOL Don’t you think that people who obtain wealth do so by making wise decisions regarding pricing? I can afford to buy games at $60 a pop, but I go through Amazon and get then for $48 with Amazon prime. So why wouldn’t someone buy games from another region of they were cheaper regardless of how well off they are?
That is the problem I have with many of these arguments you guys put forth. They don’t even stand up to basic scrutiny and it is obvious none of you have applied ANY critical thinking to any of this.
If a game company is trying to make concessions to their profits in a specific region for the purpose of outreach you can be SURE they will punish those outside of that region for trying to take their system for granted.
What is wrong with getting a good job, living well and paying your own way?
You can get a copy thats barely used online shipped to you for cheaper. Or simply wait a few months for a price reduction. You are just trying to justify being a thief.
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So in Algeria there is no cost adjustment to reflect the local economy?
None of the high cost of games has ANYTHING to do with the political climate? You don’t have any tariffs or taxes that artificially inflate the price of a game.
There is no such thing as a bargain bin in Algeria? You can’t simply opt to play “yesteryears” games on a discount?
In terms of reasons to pirate this one has to be the most noble I have heard (but that isn’t saying much, its like winning the “tallest midget” contest). At the end of the day though you are still stealing (going by the classic definition of theft which is taking something that doesn’t belong to you).
If you live in a country with a depressed economy and only few can afford the brand new video games that means there is an ample opportunity for a discount game vendor to make hay in your country. I would find it hard to believe that no one has been enterprising enough to take advantage of that opportunity. Its money on the table.
Stop with the stealing accusations, stealing involves depriving an owner of their property, piracy is copyright infringement, not theft.
When blank audio cassettes became a thing, the industry even said copying the tracks you owned was piracy.
Copying will never be stopped, the way to combat it is to make people want to buy your product, and put all the effort into making a great product.
Let buyers easily copy it, and most will not, give those copies away.
Those that do pirate, will actually buy the next release, and if they can, even buy the ones they already pirated.
Yet the internet destroyed the music business, and half of the movie business, and almost killed pc gaming. Without steam rolling around it would have died for sure.
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I wish I could give you a million thumbs up on this.
Uh that is bullshit and you know it. The music business was simply forced to transition to a digital medium. PC gaming went on the decline due to higher end consoles at a fraction of the cost of a gaming pc and everyone on consoles play on a single hardware configuration, much easier to program for which is why so many AAA games these days are console games, many of which merely get ported to the PC.
The movie business is hardly dead. People are simply stuck on franchises so they make them. Box office sales continue to rise, not fall.
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NO.
You are stealing. You take anything that doesn’t belong to you, that is considered theft.
FALSE.
It is perfectly legal to create backups of any media you own.
Stealing will never be stopped, but you can make that activity less worthwhile. Make it so it requires more resources and know how to steal. Which is the reason for the DRM, if DRM did not hold any value to the publishers and studios it simply would not be used.
You are just FULL of nonsense. You really think DRM affects the development of any game? The cost of DRM is budgeted for and the cost of development is budgeted for. Its not like a company blew all their money on DRM and now they have to produce a halfassed game.
Seriously think of how stupid this argument is you put forth and think about WHY you said this. You are not trying to have a discussion you are simply evangelizing and justifying your piracy religion.
This is all really easy for you to say, given you don’t seem to have any talents to design a game. You don’t seem to have any talents that make you marketable enough to afford a game, which is why you are stealing them.
You said
“You are stealing. You take anything that doesn’t belong to you, that is considered theft.
While taking property is theft, by definition that is because to take it, you must deprive the owner of that property.
Piracy deprives no owner of their property, it duplicates it, and no pirate has ever been prosecuted for theft, due to the fact it’s not the crime they commit.
They are charged with infringing copyright, precisely because that is the crime, it has never been theft, and never will be.
The legal definition of theft, is depriving the owner of their property, not copying it, that’s a basic fact, and no amount of ranting will change it.
The rest of your rant is equally nonsensical.
“The cost of DRM is budgeted for…”
Of course it is, and that part of the budget, is not available for making a better game, you can’t spend that money twice.
Simple fact is the only gamers to be impacted by DRM, is those of us who buy the games, not those who copy them, they never see the DRM, the crackers have already removed it.
Finally, What makes you think I’m a pirate, I own nearly 500 games
Current count
281 on GOG (50+ of them I already had on Steam, rebought the GOG release for DRM free offline installers, and then removed the Steam copies).
117 still owned on Steam.
10 Uplay.
10 Origin.
50+ disc/direct downloads (estimate, no quick total for these).
I hate the online store clients, even more than DRM, and it’s GOG’s offline installers that are the main reason I shop there.
I’d buy every one of the Non GOG games again to get that.
I don’t have to do that, I choose to, even though I can easily copy them.
XH CH
Ugh this site won’t let me share a URL in a post.
I don’t know a ton about Algeria but given what I see in a Reddit post entitled “Are videogames forbidden in Algeria?” It doesn’t seem like your form of government is very friendly to free markets.
I wouldnt call that pointless thats almost two weeks of waiting it did its job imo. Todays games get cracked in under a day when that happens pirates eat into pre-order ansd launch week sales. even 10 days will have impatient gamers buying instead of pirating.
That’s obviously what Publishers believe or they wouldn’t be paying for Denuvo but how do they know people will buy if they can’t get it for free for the first few days/ weeks? I have never seen any proof of this or even a guess at how many additional sales are made if it’s not cracked right away. I don’t think such a thing can be proven.
Even if its only a small % it still increases sales. From my experience most people that pirate either have no intention of buying or would like to but cant since those games arent sold in their region or they are grossly overpriced.
There are those that are just greedy, they can buy new games but why if they can get it free on launch day or week? these people have a game acquiring addiction and these people would buy said games if the pirated copy doesnt hit pbay in launch week.
“these people have a game acquiring addiction and these people would buy said games if the pirated copy doesnt hit pbay in launch week.”
And I’ve said much the same myself, but honestly, those numbers must be negligible, at best, leaving us with a serious question of; do those additional sales actually offset the cost of Denuvo, or not?
Its funny. there was a stretch where i was out of work so i pirated games this was maybe 5 years ago for like 3 months. i downloaded so many games that i hardly played anything. Its like that saying “eyes too big for your stomach” or whatever. i got inot the act of downloading to have everything but could never really settle down and play anything. Same happens with me when i get too many games on sale or i mess with a bunch of free to play games. I find when i actually buy something at a substantial price i commit to said game. its weird tbh.
Steam backlogs are killer….. >.<
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The best way to make back pirated sales is to show your customers you value them. Make a good game, use a reasonable DLC model and release the game without intrusive DRM measures. Witcher 3 and Shadow Warrior 2 are just some games that have sold well with a DRM Free version day 1. Pirates who would’ve paid for Prey are just gonna remain spiteful.
Still it is about leveraging hype train and stupidity, those first 2 weeks are very important. Other thing is that games are releasing unfinished, so you need patches badly, and nobody is going to crack every Denuvo protected patch, at least for now when it still takes some time, so getting a cracked game in any kind of playable state is complicated. Still I don’t see anyone who considered pirating the game buying it for full price because of this, he will rather wait, either for substantial price drop or for cracked final version. There are so many games on the market, there is not a single argument for buying anything day one or even in first months from release, especially considering the state in which games are releasing, basically being beta versions for first few weeks or even months.
Oh well. I am not sure of the relevance of denuvo or any drm whatsoever at this point. People are going to say mehh first weeks etc etc but, lately, i find myself waiting for games to be in rebate and well patched (that’s another problem) and, SURPRISE, when i wait 6months to a 1 year well, i find my experience much better. For single player games that is… For multiplayer games, i just jump the gun if the optimization is on point 🙂
So why do pc gamers hate denuvo? What are the negaitves with denuvo? Does it make the game run worse?
There’s currently indications that removing [the latest version of, if nothing else] Denuvo brings with it an FPS boost. This was reported for Syberia 3, & now for all 3 of BALDMAN’s releases; Nier, Ghost Warrior 3 & PREY, apparently.
Granted, iffy sources, so salt pinches & all that still being in order, but interesting, nevertheless.
Okay, thanks for letting me know!
Don’t forget to mention that it requires an online connection and can lock you out from playing the game if your PC’s HWID changes too many times.
Online connection disproved, but yeah, 5 activation limit within a 24-hour span. Even Steam has taken to mentioning that now.
I cannot launch any Denuvo games without an active internet connection, on each new Windows session.
Huh, interesting. Cheers ^^
“while Mass Effect: Andromeda is close to PREY as it was cracked in ten – more or less – days.”
Mass Effect Andromeda was cracked in 18 days, as PC players had early access to full game.
This site is definitely full of Denuvo haters and they have to announce every crack ever released.
nier automata and ghost warrior 3 was not anounced. Also Andromeduh used an old denuvo version.
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Good information like where crack is saved
Denuvo must be laughing in their offices counting money while their clients are getting fked anyway.
I would like to see one of their sales brochures that they send to all the big Publishers. They must be making some claim about increasing sales due to Denuvo protection taking time to crack but I wonder what they are claiming. I guess it’s possible to somehow track how many times a game gets pirated but how is it possible to say that X amount of people will buy the game if they can’t get it soon after launch for free. I don’t think it’s possible to know that for sure but somehow they are convincing Publishers to pay for Denuvo.
I doubt they even need &/or have brochures &/or powerpoints, really. Publishers have been whining about piracy for over a decade now, they have all the excuses, justification, & ingrained “knowledge” they need to easily convince anyone & everyone around them of the “need” for Denuvo.
Hell, EA actually partly funded the f*cking thing.
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LOL Excuses hahahaa. Maintaining the integrity of your intellectual property is an excuse? HHAHAA You don’t think that a company has a duty to their investors, employees and their customers to protect their IPs?
Jesus you guys are f*cking clueless. Why don’t you go out there and create something and see how you feel when people steal your work.
Seriously you sound like an over entitled child that is in need of an asswhopping.
Excuses, like “Piracy is why the games aren’t selling”.
DRM has never protected the IP, or ever caused pirates to buy the game instead, not in any significant numbers at least.
Simple fact is piracy has never been the reason, for poor sales, as pirates don’t generally buy any game. Regardless of whether a games cracked. If it’s not cracked, pirates just play another game that has been cracked.
Denuvo packaged games, have seen no significant increase in sales, and yet the tired excuses continue. Make good games, and those willing to buy will do so, regardless of whether it’s cracked or not.
Witcher 2 had a DRM free GOG version, and a DRM US disc release. The DRM Disc version was cracked, and the one pirates used, when no need existed.
Witcher 3 had no DRM at all, but sold more games, because of that fact, not less.
So yes, they are making excuses, by blaming piracy for the poor sales of bad games, while good gamees sell fine, with or without DRM.
@uhurunuru:disqus
You do not know how much companies lose to pirates. Just making a proclamation doesn’t make it true.
Piracy is just 1 segment of the loss game companies deal with, minimizing all losses is a sound business strategy but given you think theft is OK you wouldn’t know a sound business strategy if it took a dump on your head.
Its not a simple fact, it is a very complex situation that people like you want to simply in order to justify your theft of other peoples work. You can sleep easy at night, but that doesn’t mean what you are doing ISN’T WRONG.
Pirates generally don’t buy any game they can get for free. If they can’t get it for free they may not have any option but to buy it.
Depends on the game. Cherry picking is not a logical argument.
You don’t have data to support this. You are just making assumptions. We aren’t having a discussion here you are merely evangelizing your piracy religion and I am pointing out that you are full of nonsense.
Again wild assumptions and not data. You are suggesting pirates are angels and can be trusted and would never pirate a “good” game. Utter nonsense. What constitutes a good game will change from person to person.
Why don’t you make a good argument instead of relying on this rehashed nonsense you heard from someone else since you don’t have an independent thought of your own?
Anecdotal evidence at best. I am not at all shocked that pirates (who you have pointed out here) hate DRM so they targeted that game. I am sure pirates appreciate a good challenge too.
Unless your audience is fatigued sequels generally outsell the original. This is not a phenomenon you can assign to the lack of DRM only. The fact that you cling to this nonsense only showcases that you really don’t have any intellectual argument to support your lack of ethics.
There were a great many improvements in the Witcher series from Witcher 2 -> Witcher 3. I would be willing to bet that most gamers that paid for the game never even considered DRM to be a factor in their buying choice.
I have heard this all before and so far none of you guys have ever produced any real evidence to support these asinine claims. Anecdotal evidence and cherry picked data is meaningless.
Any company has a duty to their stockholders, their employees and their customers to maintain the integrity of their intellectual property. You are a bottom feeder, get a job and try to earn what you own.
You know what causes companies to research anti-piracy measures? People stealing their games (definition of stealing is taking something that doesn’t belong to you). So the real hypocrisy in the arguments you all put forth is if you really didn’t like DRM the one way to make it disappear is for everyone to pay for the games they play.
Oh goody, it’s this argument again. How original…….
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Yep and I am treated to the same unintelligible nonsense from this crowd trying to justify their own lack of ethics.
Ethics are relative. What is ethical to one person is not so from another one’s perspective. Not everyone’s moral compass points the to the same “north” as it were. Stealing implies blatant theft but you cannot technically “steal” a game by pirating it. You can make unauthorized copies but legally speaking it is not actually theft of the product ergo you cannot be charged with stealing for making an unauthorized copy. It’s still not legal of course but stealing and unauthorized copies are very different things no matter how you try to combine them as one and the same.
Your argument is moot for the simple fact no one needs to justify themselves for piracy. There are only reasons for it and they are not yours to determine whether right or wrong. Right and wrong again are quite relative. I find it wrong that a company can charge $60 for a partial product, then release “new” content for $15+ at a time to complete said product. When in reality DLC is the game studio’s attempt to recoup profits the publisher itself takes. Furthermore from my perspective it is wrong to charge folks in different regions more/less for the same product. Why should someone in one country pay $200 for a game I’m being charged $60 for? This problem is even on Steam itself. Hell I’ve had to use the “gift” loophole to send games to my Australian and New Zealand friends because for some asinine reason some games will cost significantly more there than here.
The point is you will always have people around who will work the system to their own advantage right down to getting stuff they cannot otherwise afford for free. That is simply a fact you must learn to accept and has been at the core of human behavior for over 100,000 years. We want, we take. Some are willing to play by rules of the status quo, others are not. It’s really that simple.
I argue piracy is more of an issue for small indie developers than those backed by major publishers with deeper pockets. After all it’s the execs (a minority) that take the majority slice of the pie while the rest is split among the people that actually did the work. Capitalism at it’s finest of course.
Just remember, a law is only an opinion with a gun. Nothing more. People download for whatever reason and that’s all their is to it. Yeah some people don’t want to deal with the DRM bullshit that inhibits the experience of some people. It’s the folks shelling out the cash who are truly inconvenienced by it, not so much the pirate. Others are not content with being charged more for the same product than others are simply because of where they live. Others still do not believe income should be a factor in access to entertainment. Then there’s the licensing crap that tell you how many computers you can have it activated. Piracy is a way to circumvent that much like the old school no cd cracks.
Clearly the game industry is doing quite well since it’s near collapse in the 80’s and piracy has chugged along ever since. However, anyone objective is not going to buy into the outlandish claim that piracy is damaging the industry significantly. You hear of these figures in the hundreds of millions being spouted out by them but much like retail stores and their shrink… these claims are exaggerated for the simple fact they claim the price THEY set on the product as the loss, not actually what they paid.
At the end of the day people will vote with their wallets and some will not be so patient for a Steam sale when the game is more within their budget. You can argue “lack of ethics” all you wish but ethics is relative, not absolute and not everyone is going to share your own personal ethics just as folks like yourself do not share mine. It is what it is. Accept that.
Go to their website and read their false claims. You will have quite the laugh. I hope they pirate every DRM game and leave DRM-Free Alone. That should be the new trend…
Yeah I saw their site too, guaranty to protect during the pivotal point of sales.
The whole idea that you can encrypt something actively while the programs runs is a dream, especially with games as poorly coded as they are.
If it was not for DOOM the crack would not have come so far so fast.
If they want to make true security they have the whole game files on a server and require an online connection.
How many MMO’s get pirated that work for any amount of time, other than personal servers.
They can protect the games with cheaper setups and they get the same time frame to protect their money coming in.
Wonder what will be next though as this was a good idea but encryption wrappers where old CP and here we are again with them being stripped away.
If anything this whole cat and mouse makes for a good security front on the money launders, why make a perfect protection when you can just keep raking in the money.
“How many MMO’s get pirated that work for any amount of time, other than personal servers.”
Is that excluding WoW? Because there’s an entire industry dedicated to WoW Private Servers, especially recreating WoW to be as realistic as possible – especially the older expansions, since Blizzard refuses to support them themselves.
“If they want to make true security they have the whole game files on a server and require an online connection.”
Yeah, but far too controversial, & it would turn far too many people off. Outside of the major first world cities, Internet access is still a case-by-case basis affair. Games like Diablo 3 can get away with it, but not everyone & everything, as U-BE-SOFT & EA repeatedly found out when they tried this sh*t.
dunevo isn’t our concern…pc games which will launch only on windows store is our concern as they can’t be cracked (a complicated bypass is there though).
despite of all the drawbacks & downloading issues win store has……they will be fixed very soon by microsoft. its just a matter of time publishers move to windows store to publish their games.
No.
Its just a matter of time MS move it’s games to steam or abandon WS.
i understand you’re saying this bcoz MS launches some games on steam !!
but, MS will never abandon win store……specially now that they have an entire operating system built around windows store (10 s)
for us gamers, its about games only & we have an alternative like steam…..but, for people with 10 s…they don’t have much of an alternative……so, MS will fix its store problems down the line…may be in an year !! but, they will fix it
Nah they will abandon it just like GFWL, well it’s basically GFWL2.0.
considering publishers keep using it i suppose it does help sales somewhat or else they wouldnt keep using it?? after all they get to see all the numbers and the such, i dont think publishers this big can be that silly
“i dont think publishers this big can be that silly”
IO Interactive called, said Square Turds tanked their game. Respawn called, said EA tanked their game. Human Head called, said Bethesda canned Prey 2 on them.
I can go on, if you’d like?
making design choices that will ruin the game for their consumes is one thing, but keeping such an unpopular thing going on, you must think they think it works or else theyll just drop using it?
this isnt talking about games quality or appeal (which are more complex matters), its just talking about how sales are doing with denuvo vs without
Not necessarily. By this point, most of them have spent over a decade endlessly whining about PC piracy, & how much money it costs them every time they release something, “so F2P is the future! So consoles are the future! So [insert random piece of sh*t excuse here]!”
At this point, they either believe it so badly they don’t give a f*ck what the data says, or they just won’t stop using it in order to save face, since then they’d have to admit they were lying for over a decade to us about how the PC was dying because of piracy, or whatever-the-f*ck.
baldman is name of the dude who cracked this game btw, no pirates to be seen here
It’s called a pun, mate…..
Seriously, remove stick from buttocks next time, before posting, maybe?
maybe you should stop pirating games then denying it here so i don’t “expose” you as easy as that?
Again with the assumptions, kiddo.
By the way, how exactly did you “expose” me, specifically? I don’t believe I’ve ever denied much of anything in this regard, so I don’t see what you “exposed”, exactly.
a proud pirate, eh? that’s new
More like former, haven’t pirated any video games in a long time, but yeah, I was formerly broke, & bored, & so I downloaded a lot of shtick.
“That’s new.”
“former”
hahaha…sure
Yeap. These days I have a Steam backlog to slog through whenever I feel like burning through something, & most importantly, there’s only so many good games that come out these days – especially at $60. Everything else (i.e. AA-grade games) I can largely afford to snag without waiting for a discount, so, yeah.
You forget, times have changed. Yes, piracy is still prevalent, but a lot of consumers are also just waiting 6+ months before buying &/or downloading something now, because it takes developers that long to get their piece of sh*t to an actually playable state, so why bother coughing up $60 at launch, when you can’t even play the f*cking thing properly for a while, anyway? I haven’t pirated in a long time, but I haven’t pre-ordered &/or Day 0 purchased anything in a long time, either. Hell, excluding Bayonetta, I haven’t even made week 1 purchases in a while, now.
People like you can (& will continue to, of course) whine, scream, b*tch & moan all they like, but in the end, there’s a reason that piracy exists, & that reason can overwhelmingly be addressed by either making better, more affordable, &/or more widely available products (see the bloke up above from Uruguay that saw a PS4 game for $200, for example), rather than slapping moronic DRMs onto something & taking a lunch break before regrouping to discuss how many Season Passes they’re going to slap onto this particular degraded piece of sh*t sequel.
okay
One more point the PREY reboot does not look as fun as the original, I dislike the layout of the game. It has been ruined in my opinion. The original Prey at least had fast paced, great guns and good shooter. This remake looks like it was on the back of a cereal box!
Remove Denuvo and I will consider buying it. Best offer I can make.
This would make it pointless if gamers had brains and made informed purchase decisions.
Imagine that.
I’ve held back on buying new Hitman due to idiotic DRM (and a plethora of issues during the early launch period). But when a *cough* “demo” *cough* of Hitman came out – I’ve finally got the chance to see if the game itself is worth all the risks that come with “always online” component – and then went and bought that game. And was actually punished for not buying it right away by not having enough elusive targets left to unlock stuff. True story.
Especially ironic if you remember how piracy is supposed to cause lost sales according to certain PR people!
DRM doesn’t increase sales by even 1. It only serves to piss off legitimate consumers.
The net effect of DRM on sales is, without doubt, a negative net effect. Probably around -10% on sales.
It’s pointless.
Im don’t pirate games but AAA games lose me on the price alone.80$ to 100 $ + tx for a 6 hours game is just too hard to justify in a budget when you have a wife and 4 kids.Even if i have the disposable income for it i prefer to buy indie or cheaper games or waiting for a sale if i really need to play it.And when the put stuff like Denuvo inside their games you can be sure i will stay far from it.If they want to stop piracy and increase sale they just have to sell a reasonnable price and put value in the game.
DoW 3, Denuvo was one of the reasons i didn’t bought the game (the only AAA game that i wanted to buy this year) but my main reason was that the game was pure trash, no campaign, just 17 tutorial missions and they Hitman(ed) the whole game, so F them for all of this.
Nothing but dirtbags. Ppl that pirate games. Lets steal a game that may have taken 3-5 years to make and hundreds of thousands of dollars. Get a job. Pay for stuff. Be an adult, not a loser.
>Get a job
>In Venezuela
>Where you can’t buy with dollars
>???
How can I be an “adult” if I can’t buy games thanks to my president? 😀 Remember that third world countries has a bad economy.
should change DSOGaming to “CrackwatchGaming” at this point in time -_-.
Stupid PC gamers. If the technology prevents people from pirating the game within the launch window it has been successful. Now granted 5 and 10 days is not a long time, but there have been MANY games that the protection lasted MUCH longer.
The thing is every time a Denuvo game is cracked that informs their design for future titles. It is a game of cat and mouse, I actually enjoy seeing you elite PC pirate asshats get all salty about it. Obviously it is working enough to piss you off. 🙂
That being said you guys could just pay for your software and stop stealing. Yes you are stealing according to the classical definition of theft, which is taking something that doesn’t belong to you. One of these days when y’all stop sucking off mommy’s teat you will get out of that basement, get a job and you can afford to buy your games. 🙂 If you must steal games perhaps you need to reanalyze your life’s priorities. See what you can do to lift yourself out of that “bottom feeder” status.
“Do you think it’s wrong to pirate games?”
“It depends on who made the game.” 22.7%.
Epic.
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A lack of ethics is not epic.
Neither is bribing politicians, but that doesn’t stop them, does it.
If they take it off I’ll buy it,
it seem fun from the LP’s I saw.
Its the v1.00 of the game, which has a lot of bugs. The latest release is 1.02.
Nope they confirmed that’s not the case.
alright time to “demo” this game
(reference to their reta*** excuse for why PC version has no demo)
@mariusurucu:disqus
Weird how did you get away with posting a URL? This site wouldn’t let me do that.
Maybe it’s pending? After about 3 hours the link you posted should appear.