Well, the writing was on the wall. A couple of days ago, we informed you about the optimization issues that Star Wars Jedi: Survivor appeared to have. And a few minutes ago, EA has acknowledged these issues, stating that its dev team is working on performance fixes.
A note from the Jedi Team on the PC version of Star Wars Jedi: Survivor pic.twitter.com/C3bp78VICr
— EA Star Wars (@EAStarWars) April 28, 2023
At this point, I’m certain that EA and Respawn were fully aware of these optimization issues. Yet, in order to avoid the launches of The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom and Diablo 4, EA decided to release this broken mess on both PC and consoles.
Now as I wrote in my previous article, you can, somehow, overcome the game’s optimization issues by using the latest and greatest PC systems. For the most part, an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 can provide a great experience at 4K on Epic Settings with Ray Tracing and FSR 2.0 Quality.
However, Star Wars Jedi: Survivor also suffers from issues that are not related to its performance. For instance, the Steam version forces you to use the EA app. In other words, you’ll have two launchers with completely different DRMs in the background running. Add to this the Denuvo DRM and yeah, things are starting to get messy.
We also cannot launch the game, AT ALL, on our Intel Core i9 9900K system. We’d be happy to share some benchmarks with this older CPU, however, the game constantly crashes on desktop. And believe me, I’ve tried everything. From re-installing the EA and Steam apps, to updating the graphics drivers, verifying the game’s files, and even re-downloading the game, nothing seems to be working. Not only that, but the EA app will lock you out for 24 hours after making five hardware changes. As such, I don’t really know when we’ll be able to publish our PC Performance Analysis. At least we’ll be able to share a comparison between the RTX4090 and the RX 7900XTX on the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D, so that’s something.
All in all, Star Wars Jedi: Survivor is the definition of what is wrong with current PC games. It has multiple DRMs that can hurt legitimate customers, to the point that I wish there was a pirated version of it. And then we have the ridiculously high CPU requirements. Oh, and let’s not forget that the game does not support DLSS 3, something that would significantly help in these CPU-bound situations. And while we are at it, let’s not forget the traversal stutters that plague yet another triple-A release. And get this. For changing the in-game settings, you must use the WASD keys. You can’t change them with the mouse or the arrow keys. What the hell?
Seriously, for those already owning it, I’d recommend pirating it if that was a choice. I’m laughing as I write this but yes, I’d definitely have a better experience with a pirated copy of it. And no, I wouldn’t have to wait for 24 hours after five hardware changes. I would just click the executable file and enjoy the game right away. It’s outrageous to force all those DRMs on the users. Because believe me when I say this, things are really THAT bad with all those launchers and DRMs.
So while high-end PC systems may be able to run the game, we suggest staying away from it. And God knows when we’ll be able to publish our PC Performance Analysis!
John is the founder and Editor in Chief at DSOGaming. He is a PC gaming fan and highly supports the modding and indie communities. Before creating DSOGaming, John worked on numerous gaming websites. While he is a die-hard PC gamer, his gaming roots can be found on consoles. John loved – and still does – the 16-bit consoles, and considers SNES to be one of the best consoles. Still, the PC platform won him over consoles. That was mainly due to 3DFX and its iconic dedicated 3D accelerator graphics card, Voodoo 2. John has also written a higher degree thesis on the “The Evolution of PC graphics cards.”
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Now that I think about it. It really is 1999 again for PC gaming when it comes to AAA Titles. Just terrible optimization and bad ports. Like when my Dreamcast version of Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver was way better than playing on a Voodoo 3 GPU on PC
Dreamcast version was made afterwards and it looks better Raziel’s model and textures are better than all the other versions.
Age of Wonders 4 that comes out in a few days runs flawlessly on a 2GB GPU and is getting good reviews. It’s just that the focus of this site seems to be big budget titles and mods. Anything else gets filtered out.
1999 and that whole period of time was great because it had great games in PC, consoles, handhelds and Arcades with no overbearing monetization tactics.
Most of them exclusive due to different architectures.
Well they never even fixed the stuttering in the first game so what did people expect? The problem is too many morons accept this and give a game a good review even though it performs like garbage. Even right now you’re going to have the oblivious clowns saying it runs okay for them so something must be wrong with everybody else’s PC. Developers have nothing to lose when the average consumer is an oblivious moron.
If you quit this game, you won’t able to play it again.
10/10
Say it with me people: “Never buy a new game at launch!”
I’m not paying up to 80 bucks just to be a beta tester.
Totally agree. But I did pre-order Golem for £25 as I like the stealth games.
You are whats wrong with gamers, you are too entitled you must buy 1000 dollar video cards and in this case a cpu since the problem according to ea the is people use low end old cpus paired with high end gpus, and then buy the 140$ collectors edition with all the dlcs or pc gaming will go bankrupt.
/SARCASM
😀
EA also borked the game on console…
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f8472811e0c14408fa0c76b8b1fa57338daa6dc5fdb845e50ca9283ac1b4d837.png
Yup, people are starting to realize they are throttling their PC’s. Its probably why it runs great for me. I paired a high end new CPU.
Alpha tester in most cases.
I think journalism in general should stop benchmarking wit DLSS or FSR enabled in general. Saying you run a game at 4k with FSR is not really 4k at all. FSR and DLSS should be a complement to optimization, not a replacement for it, and it’s important to keep the benchmarks on native resolutions.
They should stop calling it DLSS in the first place. It’s not Supersampling, it’s Upsampling, two completely different things.
Agreed
Actually they are direct opposites ….. Super Sampling you render at double the resolution and then downsample back to native resolution
It performed super sampling on the neural net that trained the upscaler.
Hence why you get such good anti-aliasing on the way.
Yes, make all games run smoothly at Native res and only allow DLSS as an advanced option for monitors with higher refresh rate. I also think online platforms like Steam, Epic, Origin etc should temporary ban games that aren’t optimized for PC until it is fixed! That will prevent more people from buying these games and the lack of sales will hurt the developers in the long run.
Well said.
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christ thats way too many, hopefully its a selective shot.
Soo, not diverse at all ??
If only that ‘diverse team that is creatively empowered’ could find it within their ability to have a product ready in a fit state on launch day!
While they’re at it perhaps they’d also be so kind to be ‘creatively empowered’ to add a proper bot mode to Titanfall 2 in addition to fixing the servers so customers can find enough other players without having to rely on third-party software.
Too busy riding grooming flotillas, drinking lattes, and coming up with the next post-it-note marginalised character in Apex Legends.
You wear your name well
DIVERSITY = DEATH TO WHITE PEOPLE (specifically Men)
If its death to white men like you? Good.
And of course their “diversity” is a lie, in reality it’s arbitrary quotas, it’s hatred of the host nation (ie anti-West, anti-Christian, anti-White), it’s miscegenation, and that only results in chaos and destruction, and the opposite of diversity.
And of course their “diversity” is a lie, in reality it’s arbitrary quotas, it’s hatred of the host nation (ie anti-West, anti-Christian, anti-White), it’s miscegenation, and that only results in chaos and destruction, and the opposite of diversity.
all the hatred is from you bigots but keep drinking the kool-aid, you ignorant buffoon
Reality Check – Respawn is run by an old balding gray haired white guy and it is management that decides when a game is going to be released not the developers
If you look at every studio having problems lately they are all headed by old white guys, every last one of them from CDPR, to Respawn to EA to Ubisoft to Activision Blizzard
99% of business failures are caused by bad management not bad workers
You are the POS
(((PC Gaymer, Eurogaymer, Reddit and Twatter))) are the other way around, triggered POS snowflake.
I’m no fan of DEI virtue signaling bullshit but I actually enjoyed the game. This game did much better for starwars than Disney has done.
The industry needs a new crash, to cleanse it from these unacceptable conditions. And people should know better, not to support pre ordering and half-baked games.
But this is what happens when you pursue ESG points over selling a good product.
the industry needs a crash so the tourists can finally leave and jump out of the sinking ship.
While i agree entirely, is too late now. The hobby became way too mainstream and bigger than movies…there’s not going back, but of course you can course correct this mess towards what worked a couple of decades before.
Wait until you get to Koboh.
I’m already in the Koboh Outpost, and the game runs fine on both the 7900XTX and the RTX 4090 (over 60fps on both of them). By fine I mean overall and minimum framerates, there are still numerous traversal stutters. The 7950X3D is most likely doing the heavy lifting here.
Fine with FSR2 or without it? 😛
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D with RX 7900XTX
4K/Epic Settings/FSR 2.0 Quality/No RT: 82/90
4K/Epic Settings/FSR 2.0 Quality/RT: 54/70
4K/Epic Settings/FSR 2.0 Performance/No RT: 94/114
4K/Epic Settings/FSR 2.0 Performance/RT: 53/71
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D with RTX4090
4K/Epic Settings/FSR 2.0 Quality/No RT: 82/105
4K/Epic Settings/FSR 2.0 Quality/RT: 67/92
4K/Epic Settings/FSR 2.0 Performance/No RT: 90/110
4K/Epic Settings/FSR 2.0 Performance/RT: 68/93
With RT enabled, there is no performance gains between Quality and Performance. RT also brings additional stutters. For a smooth experience, I suggest disabling it. There are still some traversal stutters, but they are nowhere as many as they are with RT.
Also, the game looks like sh*t. This is a PS4 game, not a PS5 game. I mean, look at this (and this is with RT).
https://i.imgur.com/3DcMJPq.jpg
Less CPU overhead with RT on Nvidia?
Make sure Ray Tracing is on. You have to toggle it off and on to make it works, even though it says it’s on in the first place.
That’s a false report from I don’t know who. I could replicate two things constantly on both the NVIDIA and AMD hardware.
First thing: You need to restart the game when you make adjustments to RT. If not, performance and GPU utilization will be lower.
Second thing: RT works just fine when you restart, even if you don’t toggle it off and on. I’ve captured screenshots to showcase this (that I’ll include in an upcoming article).
John, do you think the better hardware available makes the Dev reluctant to work harder? or is it because of the new game engines that are too complicated to work with? Shouldn’t there be less limitations considering how advanced gaming has become?
It’s diversity hires.
Take a look at twitter, most of their workforce turned out to be completely useless ideologues, Elon fired them all twitter is still running perfectly.
Instead of all these apologies that don’t mean jack sht it would be nice if they would reimburse or at least compensate the users that are encountering those problems.
Sadly they won’t do any of the above because their competitors aren’t doing anything of sorts either and THAT’S what’s wrong with our current generation of gaming studios.
This is a perfect review about this game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWHOez9x2d0
I have the urge to play Dark Forces again now.
Never played it, seems I need to play it.
Play it the the Force Engine, improves the game massively and it’s 10 times better than running it in DOSbox.
Just played through Dark Force 2: Jedi Knight and Mysteries of the Sith again with the new remastered mod: https://www.moddb.com/mods/jedi-knight-remastered
(You can launch MoTS from the remastered Jedi Knight to get the video improvements like widescreen)
It’s a freaking blast! Playing through Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast now and I’m having way more fun than playing anything new.
Kudos to someone on DSOG who posted Mack’s review of Death Stranding. Mack got another subscriber that day.
LMFAO 😀
This is good!
hahahhaha
I like the point he is making though 20-21 year old game plays better than the latest 150 million jedi game and actually has better combat and you can use weapons and go first person, has better platforming too, you just jump not wall run, sure combat animations are kinda off but so is this game.
Christ games will never reach the height of 90s and early 2000s.
Spot on review… 😀
Superb!
Mac killed it on that review. The best review I’ve ever seen. Was alerted today and couldn’t stop laughing.
For F* sake people should stop buying AAA games on release!
Don’t buy them at all. Save the money and buy food or save up for property.
1 Terabyte day one patch…
Here i was thinking it will go on detail about other stuff such as being too cinematic, wokeness, social club online features, repetitive copy pasted gameplay pseudo open world, tier leveling systems to a point of extremity but no, this is about being a mess on launch. To that i say i NEVER buy games on launch these days, 70 -80 bucks for an unfinished mess that will take months to fix and runs bad no matter the platform because devs overestimate how powerful consoles are these days and they make games on the highest end pcs in the studio and every game is disappointing, who cares? AAA gaming is dead.
“Seriously, for those already owning it, I’d recommend pirating it if that was a choice. I’m laughing as I write this but yes, I’d definitely have a better experience with a pirated copy of it.”
pretty sure pirated copies dont remove any of this, they emulate steam ea and denuvo drm layers.
Folks just don’t get it. The AGILE and MVP mindset has made the AAA development industry a laughing stock. But gamers are so idiotic because they are the perfect fit for these these practices…. how about playing older games for a while? Do you really need to play the latest and greatest games day one?
Rule of thumb: ALWAYS WAIT A YEAR TO BUY A NEW AAA GAME ON PC.
Your rule of thumb should be the eleventh commandment.
Same thing I do, and sometimes I get help by games I want to play releasing on the Epic Game Store, so I have to wait at least a year anyways…
I also have the two launchers Steam and epic, and to remedy this problem of launching the game, which is very difficult between this improbable and crazy mixture, I make sure to go through the application inside the folder of the game “EAAntiCheat.Installer.exe”, I uninstall the anti cheat, reinstall it, and then an update if present, and it restarts, but I admit that to get there it becomes inconsistent .
Damn man well said https://media3.giphy.com/media/UTT6QbG4EPOIE/giphy.gif
Stop supporting Jews and Jewish practices. They view us as goyim and cattle for a reason. Religiously there is nothing wrong with stealing,tricking,etc non Jews.
You don’t say?
Thank you man, I’m gonna be on the lookout for ’em now!
You’re the real deal, hat tip to you.
Hello bigot
Oy vey!
I’m calling the ADL!
You better delete that comment goy, they’re gonna find you and call your employer. You’ll lose your job and your house and the feds will charge you with hurting my feelings! You’re done!
What is this site, the meeting place for ignorant white bigots?
You are a racist piece of sh*t and will probably die by the sword, leaving the world a better place.
We’re outnumbered. The majority of Americans are low IQ and brainwashed against their own needs & interests. Intellectuals & progressives have brought a knife to a gunfight too many times. Ignorant, racist, manchild bigots aren’t worth the keystrokes…don’t feed the trolls.
THIS. Not only you need guts but balls of steel to publish this online. Hats off to you John!!
This is Exactly what’s needed in the current PC release “mess-up and patch” trend these days.
True and straightforward critique on what experience you’re getting is a key to PC journalism that’s very much lacking these days and not many sites want to come forward and say it.
This is what makes this site unique.
DLSS3? Ah yes, because everyone with a low end CPU has an RTX 40 series GPU that can handle frame generation…
Wake me when it’s on sale at 70% off.
I’ll go play one of the 700+ Steam backlog games while they patch this game and it gets cheaper.
Waste of time buying day 1 these days, Getting ripped off and you are the beta tester.
I love how EA is slowly going bankrupt and yet demand 69 euro for the game.
It’s hilarious. Gaming industry is in shambles.
EA was turning a leaf but it seems they are back to their old self of being a**holes
That tweet just a dejavu from Last Of Us Part 1, they just said it as ‘percentage’ rather than ‘some’ like Naughty Dog did. I wish someone sue them and ask them to provide exact percentage of that user that affected or that just a word to lessen their major mess of the PC port.
Also the phrase “…, but each patch requires significant testing to ensure we don’t introduce new problems”
Then just why you dont hold the game release to do more test, st*pid EA. Pull it off sales , label it as beta if thats the case, ask people to apply as beta testers. When its done then release it again… Isnt that the standard all this time ???
Thanks for your review John, much appreciated as always.
Damn, this game is so bad that even the “few sites who shall not be named here” who usually shill this stuff are trashing it .
Somewhere beneath that layer cake DRM there’s a product… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/707ca230ba3a6ac72ebac849c3fd3236ae380081d487dc4b2c34150beec64d62.jpg
As bad as piracy might sound, it’s actually a karma for these big gaming corporations for consistently and continuously providing inferior experiences for legit pc gamers
when i was kids/teen/young adult i always pirated game, not feel guilty, because i didn’t had money to buy them anyways
now i’m adult and have a bigger salary, i buy almost all my game (except ubisoft one XD)
The better the hardware, the lazier Devs become.
I picked it up on the EA Monthly Pro Plan and it has ran flawlessly for me. I guess I lucked out and I mean no noticeable frame drops, steady high FPS at max settings.
I am so sorry for that people that have a “high-end PC”.
Cutting Edge multi-threaded CPUs are NOT designed around Windows 11 or Windows 10 for that matter ….. Windows 10 and Windows 11 are designed around CPUs
Maybe if management had understood this simple truth they would have put out a better product
What is sure, that this game has moved to the dark side of the PC-Gaming !!! https://media0.giphy.com/media/xTiIzEbu4y4atqMpUc/giphy.gif
Why is DOS the go to place for white supremacists? Seems so random.
Terrible article. Encouraging piracy won’t help things. As someone who has worked in software development I’m disgusted by people who have little knowledge of the field bashing developers. Devs worked their a**es off to make this game and they are aware of performance issues and are actively working to make right especially considering a bulk of this game was developed remotely during pandemic.
I played the game all the way through and enjoyed it. I played it on laptop rtx 3080 @ 1440p resolution with mostly high settings with ray tracing disabled and was very playable. I blame ray tracing as culprit its too much of a performance hit to be worth it.