While we still haven’t seen a single game taking advantage of the new RTX technology, game developers have been recently experimenting with it. One of them is Roblox and according to its Technical Director, Arseny Kapoulkine, the new NVIDIA RTX series is 3X faster in Vulkan when using mesh shading than traditional raster.
Modern GPUs are crazy. But this GPU is especially so. Scene has 100 Happy Buddhas (100*1.087M tri). Traditional raster takes 17.2 ms. RTX code from my stream (with some perf fixes/tweaks) renders this in 6.3 ms – almost 3x faster. This is 17B triangles per second. 2080 non-Ti.
— Arseny Kapoulkine 🇺🇦 (@zeuxcg) October 30, 2018
In a particular scene that has 100 Happy Buddhas (1 Buddha is 1.087 million triangles) traditional raster takes 17.2 ms on a non-Ti RTX2080. The RTX code from his stream though, with some performance fixes and tweaks, renders the same scene in 6.3 ms which is almost 3X faster.
6.3 ms are timings with SetStablePowerState. SetStablePowerState limits the GPU clocks. Running without SetStablePowerState is faster – 5.5ms. Changing meshlet indices to uint16 (up to 4M vertices/mesh) – 5.4 ms. This is 20.1B triangles per second. TWENTY BILLION TRI/SEC.
— Arseny Kapoulkine 🇺🇦 (@zeuxcg) October 30, 2018
Now as Arseny noted, this isn’t related to raytracing but rather to the performance of the RTX when using mesh shading. By some further tweaks, he was also able to achieve 20 billion triangles per second on the RTX2080 when using task/mesh shaders + cluster cone culling.
Just to clarify since it's ambiguous – RTX refers to "mesh shading code we've been writing on Vulkan streams that runs on an RTX GPU", not "raytracing". 20B tri/sec is the perf of RTX 2080 raster path when using task/mesh shaders + cluster cone culling.
— Arseny Kapoulkine 🇺🇦 (@zeuxcg) October 30, 2018
In case you are not aware of, Mesh Shading is a new technique that has been introduced with the NVIDIA Turing graphics cards and below you can find a video showcasing it. Whether developers will take advantage of it or not remains to be seen!
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Triangles? Pfff, how about squares?
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Saw this meme posted before as well. It’s a perfect example of how RTX is a garbage mess.
It seems your problem is NVIDIA RTX and it has nothing to do with clickbait articles!
So it’s Sega Saturn 2.0!
Will probably almost never be used by developers. All of this is pointless. Even raytracing. Devs won’t bother with anything that they can’t use for the console version of the game.
a few games will support it.
That’s why TheWay It Meant to be Played and Gaming Evolved program exist.
Well it could explain why the biggest gains in performance for games dealing with the RTX 2000 series over Pascal is well.. Wolf II 😀
Wolf 2 right now is not using any RTX features, new shading methods (veriable rate shading, mesh shading) have to be implemented first in order to use them.
Pointless “clickbait” article @John….
None of this has any benefit for the average GAMER, nor is this going to be implemented in games anytime soon.
Stop posting such nonsensical articles just to get CLICKS on your website.
RTX cards have been dying on most users, let alone able to play games, and run RTX/dlss features. RTX cards have been a total failure launch for sure.
The above Roblox tech demo showcased has nothing to do with any Games, because we don’t even have proper games using any ray tracing tech/Dlss, let alone Mesh shading.
I don’t feel like this is clickbait. It’s normal journalism. Report of a dev claiming RTX serie is better than X in something with facts.
It is indeed Clickbait to some extent, because John is seriously ‘obsessed’ with this whole RTX stuff, including ray tracing (just like Unreal engine 4)
This whole article is pointless at this moment, because none of this is going to be of any benefit to Gamers. People don’t even have RTX cards, and a huge number of them are being RMA’d as well.
And, not to mention lack of ray tracing support in actual games.
Well RTX has been the news king for some time now i’ll give you that but does that mean he must not talk about it ? RT is new tech talking about it was a given. When AMD is going to drop Navi or whatever tech it’s going to be on this site for weeks.. reports, leaks, twitter infos etc.. People want to know this kind of stuff to make decision regarding their next gpu.
LOL
A click-bait is not defined by what you don’t like buddy, and I’d love to know where you pulled all these claims from, especially the “MOST RTX cards are dying” part, but I’m pretty sure I know where.
The saltiness of butt-hurt people who can’t afford an RTX and makes them say the dumbest things is really something to behold.
Do some Google search before calling me butt-hurt, or bashing/attacking me.
the fact that you flat out lie in your post means that you should be prepared for all the vitriol about to come your way… you want to make ridiculous claims? get ready to hear about it…
STFU.
Nothing new, he is always really angry when 2080ti is mentioned. I remember when I have asked John to share his 2080ti impressions and simple qestion like that was enough to trigger him. According to him because very few people can afford RTX GPU’s no one should talk about RTX cards here 🙂
So, you are still attacking me, without any reason ? Didn’t you BLOCK me in the first place, because you don’t like reading my replies ?
I have nothing against RTX cards, as I was about to upgrade as well, but after hearing all the backlash, I’ve decided to skip this gen.
PLEASE, don’t start unnecessary fight/debate. I don’t have any issues with you either, but you seem to keep on bringing things up, whenever a rant is posted.
Did I attack you recently, NO ? Read my original post, as I’m not bashing anything here, just stating the facts. You got me totally wrong.
“I have nothing against RTX cards”… obviously you do… you are willing to go on record and make up statistics to denigrate the card ffs! so ya… you have a major issue with the cards… how sad is that?
Wow, an Nvidia FANBOY just got triggered. 100% for sure. LMAO.
that Lucky8 guy is an idiot for sure, he just wants to start a fight because he’s a Toxic SOB, a moron who lives in his fantasy world
Shut up, you worthless piece of $hit. go f.cu.k yourself.
did your mom scold you in the morning ? she must be an idiot for sure, because guys like you can only spew out nonsense.
get lost form here. if you don’t like reading other’s replies. hide behind your closet.
Do you suffer from Tourette’s syndrome? You can’t even talk to someone in a civilsed manner without hurling abuse. Grow Up!
No, I don’t. Just relax….I wrote that on purpose for that guy, intentionally.
He is a toxic kid for sure, trust me. He keeps on attacking other forum members, as evident from his posting history, and nobody likes this guy here. He has abused me in the past as well.
Don’t quote me further on this, because you won’t understand the gravity of this whole situation. I’m not THAT kind of human being, which you are thinking. That’s all I have to say.
Paupers united in anti RSX trolling on their second hand trash PC’s they made from digging in the garbage.
On most users? Where did you read that?
He is correct. Check the official Geforce forums. The number of affected users are alarming, and they are increasing day by day. The forums are flooded with issues.
many tech websites have also posted an article on this issue, like Techpowerup, wccftech, guru3d, digital trends. Do a quick Google search, and then you will come to know the truth behind all this.
my fiend’s card also died after using it for a week. He RMA’d it, but the same problem again cropped up. this issue is slowly getting widespread. even custom cards are getting affected, not just founders edition.
+1.
Most are probably just driver problems which will be fixed with driver updates. According to overclockers the failure rate is 3.5% which is no more than any other generation.
Ignore the hobos.
Turing support Shader Model 6.3 because whole DXR is part of SM6.3. You can check this info on GitHub. Microsoft released DirectX Shader Model as open source few years ago so you can check any version
GitHub (source code of DirectX Shaders):
Microsoft/DirectXShaderCompiler/wiki/Shader-Model-6.3
This is why you need Windows 10 1809 to use DXR.
Shilling for Microsoft yet again!
One more for you… DLSS works on Xbox One 🙂
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Shilling for Microsoft yet again! smh
Yes… I know that you can’t understand that.
You know nothing… apart from lying and shilling for Microsoft.
Man, 4 times in the same comment thread lol? Shut the hell up already, there’s not a single person on this site who isn’t tired of listening to you.
You again!
Yup! Every once in a while I get too sick of you to stay quiet.
So we both agree that you’re “sick” in the head. gg
whoa… DLSS runs on the 110TF Tensor cores on the Turing GPU… AMD and the X1 have nothing like that hardware on chip. So they may be able to run it but it won’t have anywhere near the impact it does on Turing…
DirectML can use Tensor cores but this is not required. It support hardware acceleration on any DX12 hardware. So DLSS will work on every GPU because it is only program written in DirectML
MS will release DirectML in Spring 2019. Nvidia will release DLSS few days later with drivers for Windows 19H1. Then everyone can benchmark that
But during next few months AMD can create own drivers for DirectML for Xbox and PC GPU. Half year is a lot of time and there are chance that Windows 19H1 will be delayed like 1809. So for DLSS we can wait to summer 2019. Its a lot of time for AMD
Nope. I don’t think he is shilling in this particular case. What he wrote about SM6.3 model is correct. Also, DXR only supports Windows 10 OS.
Don’t even try to explain… he don’t understand that.
But if you are interested of deep internals of “Nvidia DLSS” then you will should watch video i posted below from Siggraph 2018. MS show how “super-resolution model” written in DirectML works in Forza Horizon 3. Yes… they show “Nvidia DLSS” in Forza and said that this works on any AMD hardware 7xxx and above like Xbox.
Can’t wait for DLSS on AMD and Xbox One X 🙂
Nope. He’s shilling for Microsoft once more.
“Pointless article”
Well, I enjoyed it reading it so it wasn’t “pointless” from my point of view.
“RTX/dlss features. RTX cards have been a total failure launch for sure”
DXR (Nvidia RTX) – will be available with Windows 1809 (november 2018)
DirectML (Nvidia DLSS) – will be available with Windows 1903 (april 2019)
For more info Google:
Siggraph 2018 – sig1814-2-adrian-tsai-gpu-inferencing-directml-and-directx-12
It is relevant, as it’s PC GPU related information regardless of whether it ever gets widely implemented or not.
Interesting information as a matter of fact, if you are technically minded at all.
If for no other reason than it gives some insight into possible future developments of technology and industry.
AMD mantle never really got implemented, but it played a huge part in way industry developed and is developing.
It’s not about “support”. The question is, WHEN will games use any of these RTX features. It will take a very long time for sure. As of now, all these numbers and claim mean very little for the average gamer.
What OLD hardware are you talking about ?
Most of the gamers have the latest Generation Mobo/chipset, and related hardware on their RIGs. And, they are facing issues with these RTX cards on different systems as well, apart from their latest rig.
Had it been a MB bios issue, then previous gen cards should also fail to function. But nope, the GTX 10 and 900 series cards work fine on their PC, as some peeps had a backup card with them as well.
These card have issue with Bios, the CSM mode has to be turned on, I had this issue myself.
I got Even ID 14, on every boot and one time PC hanged on 2D with Event ID 14, so i googled and found more people with this issue, it was solved by enabling CSM mode in bios.
P.S. I dont have Old hardware thou, Gigabyte x370 Gaming 7 with latest 10 Bios update that supports 9900k
This is the log [not mine]:
Log Name: System Source: nvlddmkm Date: 10/27/2018 10:34:23 Event ID: 14 Task Category: None Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: x99ftwk Description: The description for Event ID 14 from source nvlddmkm cannot be found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair the component on the local computer.
If the event originated on another computer, the display information had to be saved with the event.
Don’t speak only for yourself, you Moron. Others are having serious issues as well. STFU.
It is up to DSO what kind of article they want to put out. Don’t like it? Then just don’t read about it. It seems you’re just pissed off when people want to talk about something that you did not like. Useless article since the tech is not use in games? Yes it does not matter to majority of gamer but it is still interesting to know what kind of new tech that being push out to make rendering games even better. Even with those RTX cards while most people only care how fast they were vs Pascal personally i’m more interested in architecture improvement in Turing vs Pascal like how nvidia will make even better SM arrangement than what they already have since they were using same SM arrangement for two generation. How the ability to run FP32 and INT 32 at the same time can benefit games and not just exclusive to professional application. Yes this site is mostly talk about PC gaming but once in while it is also nice to know tech that being used in creating those games. And that includes new things that being pushed by IHV or game developer themselves.
+1. I agree fully agree with your thoughts. well said.
Stop generalizing, when you say MOST people do you have any hard numbers?
Because unlike you Mr.Pauper I actually OWN 2080Ti, and even swapped one to another manufacturer to get compatible PCB with water blocks that are out and had no issues across Gigabyte or Zotac.
Every time peoples hardware break, be it TV, Car or computers parts its obvious that that its the only thing you going to see online, people with Working hardware wont be going to forums to “complain”/report that their hardware works.
Almost all issues happen with nvidia cards [which i was told were made by two shiftiest manufacturers out there, PNY and/or Palit and people with 3rd party cards have normal issues, there is no such thing that some % of product wont break.
And you paupers been inflating the issue 24/7,the greed is eating you from inside.
Its the OTHER way around, devs actually have money to buy them, but most of them dont have to, just like YT reviewers got stacks of cards of every model and maker for FREE, the devs getting free cards too, at least 1-2 samples for sure.
While I do agree some articles seem posted just for clicks and a big part of the rest are just lazy edited, I don’t see what the rtx problems have to do with him reporting this. I found it interesting, I did not know about mesh shading or saw this nice looking asteroid field demo. Could he also post about the problems you mentioned, sure, but that doesn’t make this article useless. It’s about tech, if it’s going to be in games soon or not it’s beside the point
If they dont die after a week.. that is
It’s incredible how fast tech progress is moving with GPUs just in the last few years alone.
Whatever the issue is with the GPUs dying it will get sorted out eventually and the tech will be more stable in the future. The reason why I say it will get sorted out with confidence is because Nvidia cares about having so many RMAs. Every company does. They have to back their warranties and this amount of RMAs is having a serious effect on their bottom line and likely making investors nervous as well.
At the moment RTX just means RetardTaX. This is nothing more than a poor value for money Nvidia console. What we should be interested in is DXR and how well the latest cards support it.
I don’t know what any of this means. I’m still not getting a 2080Ti, though. Doesn’t provide the increase in performance over my 1080Ti that I need for VR apps.
Too expensive for the performance it gives and anyone but the most dedicated to hardware should get it, dumb kids will still get one to play Fortnite and console ports unfortunately, even with many of them simply dying.
Wow, an Nvidia FANBOY just got triggered. 100% for sure. LMAO.
The way you have attacked me first time here on Dsog, that too 3 abusive comments in a row, further proves it all. Stop getting so much hyper FFS.
18+ upvotes on my original comment can’t go wrong either. Not that I give a damn about votes (up/down), but there are others who understand my point of view, unlike you who can’t do a proper survey on google before bashing others.
That simply means that 18 people have no idea what they are talking about… Good for you btw… You got 18 upvotes on a site where the average knowledge of the people posting here is about zero when it comes to PC hardware. And you want to talk about being triggered? Look at every one of your posts… They are all centered on crapping all over Nvidia… I am not the one with an issue here… You are. I simply pointed out the ridiculousness of your claim that “most” people who purchased RTX cards are having issues. You can bet that just about every person who has had an issue is going to post about it on the Nvidia forums… So it may look like a lot of people but in reality it is a small number compared to the entirety of people that purchased them. You have the mentality of a “flat-earther”… You take some basic facts and extrapolate your own biased opinion and then state it as fact… That is what has my “triggered” nothing else. In other words idiotic people frustrate me… Imagine that.
shut the f.u.c..k, up man. you are blindly defending Nvidia like a W.h.o.r.e. get a life, and do some research before attacking others.
yeah, everyone is a fool out here who upvoted him, except you ? LOL. who do you think you are ? some tech expert.
you are nothing but a pile of crap.
He’s not exactly defending Nvidia. He’s just right. MOST users aren’t experiencing issues. A significant amount seem to be, but not MOST. He’s also the only one not turning to personal attacks and talking like I did in 6th grade.
No. He is not correct, and he is indeed an NV fanboy/supporter for sure.
Check the Geforce forums to see the facts about how many users are experiencing issues. The numbers have been increasing daily.
It is usual to see many complaints on the forum. Because most people did not even post any comment unless they have issues. But think about it. Does the forum post count MOST of the people having the card? How many of those 2080ti nvidia have sold? This kind of issue are not that strange for new architecture on new node. I have seen something similar before but back then it might be a lot worse.
Yes. I’m well aware. I’m also aware that that would be at most 20% of the millions that pre ordered the cards. Not MOST.
Seems like you call anyone who doesn’t actively hate the same things you do a fanboy
18 pauper supported the chief Hobo pauper with thumbs up.
The biggest pauper out here is YOU. Good grief !
You supported a sick company like Nviida by buying this RTX garbage though. LMAO.
No one asked for your opinion, Child.
P.S. At least try to learn proper English kiddo, you sound like an idiot.
LOL….Triggered for sure.
One point twenty-one gigawatts??
It could be 10x faster for all I care, Useless if many can’t afford it!
These RTX cards are a waste of space, they are simply overpriced and the majority of gamers couldn’t care less for 4K gaming, as 1440P is hard enough to drive in modern titles with eye candy turned on. Unless nVidia start gimping Pascal to the ground, I don’t see these RTX cards getting any traction, they should have skipped this “gen” and just released the 7nm cards next year.
Speak for yourself.
f.uck for yourself.
Wait for Volta.