Following the removal of Bethesda’s and Activision’s games, NVIDIA has also removed The Long Dark from its cloud gaming service, GeForce Now. According to the developers, the green team did not ask them for any permission to host it on its service.
Sorry to those who are disappointed you can no longer play #thelongdark on GeForce Now. Nvidia didn't ask for our permission to put the game on the platform so we asked them to remove it. Please take your complaints to them, not us. Devs should control where their games exist.
— Raphael van Lierop | Exploring Apocalypses (@RaphLife) March 1, 2020
It’s unclear at this point whether other developers will follow these examples and request the removal of their games.
In case you did not know, GeForce Now is a cloud gaming service. With GeForce Now, you can keep playing the games you already own and continue building libraries from the same stores you already use every day.
On paper, this sounds great. As such, I don’t really know why some developers have a problem with this. I mean, this isn’t like Netflix. In order to play a game via GeForce Now, the player must already own it. Some may say that some players can lend their GeForce Now username/password to others in order to play these games for free. However, this is already possible for all digital stores (just give your username and password to someone and he will be able to play your games for free). So yeah, I don’t really see the BIG problem of GeForce Now here. Unless of course developers want extra cash for putting their games on GeForce Now.
But anyway, as said, it will be interesting to see whether NVIDIA will remove any other games from the service.
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the big problem is that Nvidia will profit from this service in the future so there needs to be written agreement on cuts and permissions from developers
why the hell should developers get a cut… they aren’t selling access to the games, nor are they selling a library, they are selling a glorified virtual machine so that you can access your own library of games you’ve already purchased, to play on. this is akin to asking all hardware vendors to give a cut to software developers, its very stupid.
and to add to this, its the same miss-conception / greed mentality on this developers part where he writes “Because they sell this service based on access to a library of content. We have the choice whether to be in that library or not. Our distribution agreement is with Valve, not with Nvidia.”
the dev is a complete moron, scrolling down his twitter timeline he’s crying about a refund policy and saying things like this gem “For the record, we are one of the most pro-player/customer devs out there so I really don’t get it.”
Why not read the comment your are replying to?
you are totally right
Your analogy is way off. Universal would have to enter a legal and financial agreement with the cinema house to show its movies, not the manufacturers who built the projector.
Same here, hardware has nothing to do with it. Nvidia is using copyrighted material without permission to boost its own brand. Do you understand now?
>Hardware has nothing to do with it
It kinda has everything to do with it though, because you’re essentially renting a PC from nvidia, to play the software you already bought a license to use, if the software developers want to go back on that license and add restrictions to what hardware you can use, they should say as much but trying to claim that nvidia is selling anything more than a piece of hardware that you can use your other platforms on is wildly anti-consumer and quite frankly cancer.
I may own the DVD for, I don’t know, the “Alien” movie, but I’d still have to pay to go watch it in a cinema playing it. I can’t just wave my DVD case to the ticket seller’s face and expect to be let in for free. The cinema owner in turn pays 20th Century Studios for the right to show the movie.
Same case here, it’s all about licensing and branding issues.
that’s a very weak argument and quite frankly it shows that you have no idea what GeForce Now even is, but sure let’s go with that DVD example you provide..
So say you have a PC and you’ve bought this DVD, now you want to put your DVD into nvidia’s GFN hardware and run it, can you explain to me how this creates a new product that warrants a developer getting a cut, based on that example? Because I don’t see it.
Should developers be given the right to dictate where you run the software from? (and don’t go back to using movie analogies, since multiple people can watch them at the same time, but this hardware/software stack doesn’t circumvent existing user limits in place on steam and other store fronts)
Let’s say you write best selling novel with Microsoft Word. Will Microsoft get some money?
Microsoft would want their cut if you were using Word to read it.
if you are making money off it yes
Should Microsoft pay devs too cause I play games on the Win10 platform? This reasoning makes no sense.
GF Now has no ownership over anything. You pay them to rent a virtual machine to play the games you already bought, and thus legally own.
Sure, Nvidia makes money off of this, but for a service that has no relation to the dev studios whatsoever.
These devs are preventing you from playing the games you already bought from a store these same devs agreed to sell it on. It’s a scumbag move, there is no other way to describe it.
I hope Steam and other stores will at least refund the people who bought games specifically to play through GF Now, with no restrictions.
the writer was wondering why Devs DID THAT AND I AM SIMPLY TELLING HIM THE REASON
I really don’t care either way but that is their mentality and Nvidia’s mentality too
The service would not exist if not for the games you giant morons. Of course nvidia has to pay devs because their games are the reason the streaming service exists. Netflix pays to have movies on its library, why wouldn’t it be the same for games.
So Steam, Origin, Discord, Nexus mods, and countless other game related services should also pay the devs? Not because something exists and is related to something else means anyone owes anyone money. What an absolute tarded logic.
Netflix pays license fees because they host the movies/series themselves. Seriously, use your brain a little.
Since when are any of those services you mentioned a streaming service ?
You said service, not streaming service. The point I made stays the same.
I compared it with another streaming service, Netflix. Your comment was stupid and you continue to say stupid sh*t. You can’t have a business that is based on selling acces to stuff you don’t own and not pay to have it. I bet many of you have a movie on dvd or bl but you still have to pay for Netflix if you want to see it that way. And Netflix pays to be able to serve it to you. Nvidia must do the same.
Netflix hosts the movies, they pay licensing fees to re sell the content to the viewer.
Nvidia is not selling anything but their own virtual machines for you to access content you’ve already bought legally through the stores chosen BY THE DEVELOPER.
How is this the same?
It is the same because nvidia and Netflix have a service that it’s based on providing access to STUFF THEY DON’T OWN THEMSELVES. Meaning that without that stuff, they wouldn’t have a service. Now, in the real world, nobody is going to let you make money based on something they own and let you get away without paying them. Nvidia has nothing to offer ip owners right now, their service needs the games not the other way. They want to make money selling access to ip s they don’t have. And if you bought a game anywhere else that game didn’t come with the guarantee that you will be able to play it on any future services than what you could when you bought it. You can always stream it from your own pc if you wish. But the moment a business wants to make money selling you access to that ip, the ip owners are entitled to allow it or not.
Netflix doesn’t make you buy the content through a store where the owner sells it. GF Now does. How is this so difficult to get?
So glad you ignored 80% of my post about games having to be installed on servers and their license. As much as i love wasting time on internet comments you clearly don’t want to see things except your way. Fiber whatever
The same way hardware manufacturers, Nvidia just rent the PC to play your games, you need to buy them from the respective developers/publishers. What we have here is greedy devs who wants profits from nowhere.
the problem is we consumer already buy the game. it is up to us how we want to play our game. remember local streaming where we stream the game from our pc to our other device in the same local network? imagine if game developer specifically block local streaming because they want you to pay extra money to them so you could do that. this kind of remind me of LAN gaming. publisher and game developer kill LAN gaming because they want you to buy every copy for each computer you’re going to install their game.
Greedy developers, sad. ?
Greedy developers give gamers the finger, while taking Epic exclusivity.
Epic, make piracy great again.
The only thing that’s sad here, Botnando, are your attempts at forming a coherent thought.
He just takes the opposite side to everything that the majority thinks to troll people here. He gets off on the attention even though it’s negative attention.
sounds too familiar.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Wtf? But you’re an Epic store supporter
First time I agree with you, troll,
Whatever be the reason…GeForce Now is losing feathers…could take them a while till they fly
what a shtshow
Does streaming at least keep your PC from melting down due to high fidelity graphics toasting a poorly ventilated PC?
Or you could buy some cheap case fans or remove the side panel from your rig and put a cheap small fan to blow air in.
I take that as a yes. It’s just for curiosity, your solution is cheaper than internet able to stream games, at least for me.
This is just turning into a dumpster fire at this point. It sucks, because it’s a superior alternative to Stadia, since you already own the damn games to begin with.
Nvidia should sell virtual computers. That’s all and this is end of problems with greedy publishers
Especially for people with spotty internet service or big lag time.
A can’t imagine how frustrating it would be to try to play a shooter game with big lag time. You make a solid head shot on an enemy but by the time that shot registers on the server on the other end the enemy has moved and didn’t get hit.
Or in a fighting game you see the enemy about to strike with a sword and you press the key to block but by the time it registers with the server you have already been hit and now you are blocking when you should be striking.
Torrenting Eletronic Arts games are actually ethical and fun.
Can you imagine the kind of money we could make if we could get Nvidia to pay a license so it can display our comments on GeForce cards? I mean, it is our content, and somewhere some GTX 1060 owner is looking at this without paying me.
Why wouldn’t they want some cash for that? Nvidia thinks it can have its service full of games just because it’s nvidia ?
See a lot of people are fooled by Nvidia requiring you to own a game on Steam to “Access” it via their Streaming service, which is bullshit of the highest order.
Nvidia is putting that roadblock in, to sell the false narrative that you are playing a game from your Steam Library, on their server, which is a total lie.
Nvidia is giving you access to their Nvidia Steam Library, not your own, or we’d all have to install our own licensed copy on the Nvidia service, to access the game we licensed.
The restriction to your library owned games, is to obcure the fact that’s not what is actually happening, Nvidia has games on their servers you don’t own, so it’s not your Steam account you access, it’s Nvidia’s Steam account, and that’s why they need the publisher’s agreement to do this.
Nvidia has more than your library on it’s servers, and if it was selling access to it’s entire library, nobody would argue they don’t need the copyright owners permission to do that.
Restricting each user to the subset of their owned games, doesn’t change a damn thing, and they still need the copyright owners permission for the entire contents of the Nvidia Steasm account, regardless of any arbitrary restrictions Nvidia impose on each user, because it’s only Nvidia that is restricting your access to their account, not Steam, or the copyright owner.
To truly be accessing only your Steam account, each user would have to install each game they own on Nvidia’s server, for that users exclusive use, then it would be as some argue here, just a matter of what hardware you installed your licensed game on.
Like it, or not, Nvidia has no license to grant any user access to a single game, on Nvidia’s Steam account without the agreement of the copyright owner, and Steam, and whether the user owns that game or not makes no difference.
You have no clue what you’re talking about and it’s clear you’ve never used GFN. I advise you to actually do it first and find out the fact that everything you just said is wrong.
Actually everything he said was right and you are just an ignorant troll
Haha, no. Facts. The videos are on YouTube. You can see for a fact that he’s wrong . I’ll link you to one.
Wrong, I have an Nvidia Shield, and first tried it, long before it ever came out of Beta, it gives the illusion that you need the game on Steam, but it’s actually already installed on Nvidia’s own platform.
Look at what a real virtual PC system does, where you rent the PC, you must actually install your own games on it, one by one. That is your legal right, and publishers can’t go after these sort of rent an actual virtual PC systems.
GeForce Now is nothing like that, it’s it’s own platform, with all the games pre-installed, you’re not installing your Steam games, you’re using Nvidia’s platform to play theirs.
This is why publishers don’t get to remove their games from an actual Virtual PC system, but do from GeForce Now, because legally, and actually it’s a separate platform, using the Steam SDK to give the fake illusion you are playing your own games, but it’s just an illusion.
If you were really logging into Steam, you wouldn’t be required to give GeForce Now permission to access your Steam account, you’d just log into Steam, you never need to give 3rd party account access to log in to Steam, from a new PC, You may need to verify your ID with two step login, but that’s it.
Only when a 3rd party platform is using the Steam API/SDK, for other reasons.
Headline is clickbait trash.
They aren’t “hosting” anything nor was it a case of “Not” asking for permission. They assumed it was fine, because legally it is fine – there’s nothing in the EULA that says this can’t be done.
This survival game is quite good BTW !!