NVIDIA has stated that its next-generation graphics cards will be in 7nm. During a press conference in Seoul, NVIDIA’s Korea chief Yoo Eung-joon confirmed that its next-gen GPUs, which may release in 2020, will be using Samsung’s 7nm extreme ultraviolet process.
As Yoo Eung-joon said:
“It is meaningful that Samsung Electronics’ 7-nanometer process would be used in manufacturing our next-generation GPU. Until recently, Samsung has been working really hard to secure (partners) for foundry cooperation.”
What this basically means is that, similarly to the NAVI GPUs, NVIDIA’s next-gen graphics cards will be in 7nm (as opposed to the RTX series which are built on TSMC’s 12nm manufacturing process).
It is said that NVIDIA’s next-gen graphics cards will come out in 2020 (my guess is late 2020) so it will be interesting to see the performance improvement that the 7nm process will bring to the table. It will be also interesting to see what will happen with ray tracing in games now that AMD has patented its new hybrid model.
All in all, 2020 will be really interesting for GPU fans. AMD may release a high-end NAVI model (this is based on the rumoured graphics cards that have been found in some drivers) and NVIDIA will definitely release its next-gen GPUs.
Kudos to Metal Messiah for bringing this to our attention.
Thanks KoreaHerald
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I’m assuming Ampere will be quite close to Turing. With Microsoft’s Scarlett and Sony’s PS5 on the horizon Nvidia have to bring powerful GPUs next year. It would be odd for PC to be left behind consoles in power or capabilities.
Lol @ console peashooter APU chips being anything Nvidia has to worry about
Current rumors put the Scarlet/PS5 above the 13tf marks.
Powerful those machines will be.
(((rumors)))
Why the anti-semitic triple paranthesis ? Not a good look.
Either way, most insiders have said that Sony intend on outclassing Google’s Stadia. And 13tf sounds about right for a new round of consoles.
your name is ironic as I bet your some half white mulatto or a jew,nig,beaner,etc. gas yourself my dude.
well it depends on which rumor you heard. i heard the next PS5 GPU will be equivalent to GTX1080/Vega 64 level. i know some of those console fans want their console to have GPU performance equivalent to current ultra high end GPU. but console hardware is always about cost and balance. most often when they launch the console the GPU inside at best will be equivalent to mid range GPU on PC (at that time).
If RTX is not a break I dont know what is.
Rtx was a joke the only good gpu was rtx 2080ti but it’s overpriced
Yea.. steam shows how 0.50% of users only have those. AMD has a huge break now, plus their new CPU’s are hot as hell.. meanwhile their stock is getting lower… oh how fair and fun life can be sometimes.. Meanwhile Intel is rich as fk without doing much, same goes for Nvidia and their crazy prices. I swear the 2020 cards that they just “announced” will costs 2000 and people will still somehow justify the prices… cuz yay 4k 60/120 fps? That justifies 2k for 1 part…
RIP my fair and honest gaming hobby. Now its for rich snobs that want ABSOLUTELY THE BEST. Somehow you could have it all for 200-300 a few years ago…
Rich people don’t play video-games (some do but not as we probably do), they are making these GPU’s for Overclockers (people with money to burn -literally- in their hobby just to get some numbers in a digital wall) and “content creators” (You Tubers, Twitch Streamers), the rest as usually will buy mid range GPU’s as always and play all those unfinished full of micro-transaction garbage “AAA” games, or the trending games such as BattleRoyale or pseudo MMO’s with sh*t tons of monetisation making you work harder than in your actual real life job to get a free skin or progress a rank in the game.
Everything has “a roof”, prices will hit that roof or they already did, if they keep going up…there will be a colapse. It is happening with memory, SSD’s and all things related to data. Bitcoin is dying and the urge for GPU’s is not the same as it was before…so they better stop rising prices because people won’t buy them. Salaries don’t go up as much, people will figure out they can’t buy those products at some point, or at least come to their senses that this is just a hobby, no more no less.
Indeed, though not all youtubers and twitch streamers has high end GPUs, like 60-70% use mid-range and top 100-150 plausibly high end. With such prices I think we are rapidly heading backwards to early 2000s and 1990s when owning a PC was a fortune.
And another price bump because of “new” 7nm process + more RT Cores + PhysX 3.0 + Hairworks 8.0 + nail cutter 3.4 + wipe your a** without toilette paper 2.0 + can opener 4.8rc + 1 Fail EA BS Game + 1 garbage Ubisoft saga game + 1 Bethesda “It just works” game + new GeForce Experience for dummies 5.7v3 = Mid Range GPU that can’t do Ray Tracing at 60FPS 1080p for 600€.
The future is bright.
In all serious note, I need to upgrade my GTX970 (367€ back in the day Asus Strix OC), hope prices go low a bit at least to 1000 series prices, this generation of GPU’s went up like crazy in my opinion.
Everything has to hit “a roof” at some point, it can’t be all going up and up all the time. See what is happening with memory, SSD’s and such, all going down as we speak. Memory was also in its higher prices when these GPU’s were manufactured so that could of been one of the factors of the high pricing as well.
This is just a hobby, the expensive it gets the less you can enjoy it. Tech is getting better, is not cheap to develop things, that is understandable but salaries don’t go up the same way prices are going up year after year. Companies just want to make more and more each year, and even if they sell less they want more profits no matter what, and we are the ones giving them that money.
PS: Now that I look at all what that GPU comes with..I want it! xD
And on AMD’s side you get underwhelming performance + software « hybrid » RT (CPU dependent) + Tress FX 3.0 + FidelityFX (a pale imitation of ReShade) + 1 Bethesda game = entry range GPU for 600€
“hope prices go low a bit at least to 1000 series prices, this generation of GPU’s went up like crazy in my opinion. ”
1060 came out on 200, years later it costs 300 on average, was able to find a 6gb one for 140, got it, dissapointed by the results.
Moral of the story, dont focus on gb and due to bitcoin prices skyrocketed. Get a 2000 series instead.
At this point I rather wait for 3000 series and see what happens. With more “mature” RT cores, I would like to see a mid/high end performing well with Ray Tracing for example, or that it won’t take as much performance as it does now would be cool.
And again pricing going low up to (or better said “down to”) 1000 series pricing range. Imagine a 3080Ti for 800/900€ at best…sign me in…but 1300€ for a 2080Ti (even while being the beast it is)…no man, no. Don’t want to see that kind of prices again. (but sure we’ll see that or even worse, sadly)
As I said on my other comment…everything has to have a roof. Prices of new GPU’s should stack over the old ones, and old GPU’s should drop prices to sell said stock. It was like that a couple years ago but now it seems they are pricing each GPU because of how it performs compared to previous gen…”oh it is 30% better…well 30% expensive than previous gen”, next gen “oh 25% better?…add 25% more to the value” and so on…
That can’t be that way, see how CPU’s drop prices way before the release of new ones and then they put prices in the same range of the ones before. And heck, in the case of AMD we are looking at a massive jump in performance compared to couple generations before, prices went up a bit with these ones but core count went up by a lot for example. (at least AMD is doing well there, not the same with GPU’s tho, well let’s wait for reviews)
I need to upgrade my PC at least at the end of the year or start of next. I have time to think…but sure an AMD CPU is going in and Nvidia GPU combo as it is now.
Getting RTX 3080Ti
They could skip the 3xxx kind like they basically did on the 3xx and therefore you might be buying a 4080. MMmmmm I like that number, haha.
1488 is a better number
WILL COMMENCE AGAIN.
Sooooo skip the supers.
I always skip refreshes. They are just minor improvements mid generation.
Isn’t it kinda late?!
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20190605PD200.html
After the,
– hype of Pascal which ended up being ‘Paxwell’ when all is said and done
– disgrace that was the GeForce Partner Program
– shambolic launch of RTX
– blatant price gouging
– shafting of its most loyal early adopters so soon with Super
…I’ve felt no great need to upgrade to a new GPU these past 3 or so years.
However, if this new 7nm range offers the usual performance bump including significantly improved RTX cores then I’m definitely interested.
Agreed I have always bought the Ti version of cards but I refuse to pay over a grand for a GPU so I stuck with the 2080 this time which I managed to get for £799 and I won’t be upgrading for a long time with all these stupid prices and minimal improvements.
you refuse to pay for an overpriced card, but you bought an overpriced card
your likes are giving nvidia the green light to price gouge us
Maybe he was in a similar situation as me. I needed an upgrade for my 1440p monitor because the gtx 1070 just wasn’t cutting it, and I had a choice between a 1080 ti and a 2080. I obviously went with the 2080 because it’s the same performance and same price, with the added bonus of ray tracing.
And AMD is not gouging us perhaps ?
i never said anything about amd, i’m neither on the side or nvidia nor AMD, they both gouging us, the GPU market is so depressing, they are not competing at all, its almost like a price fixing
RX 5700 should be 200-250$ max
just like RTX 2060 should be too 200-250$ max
His default response to folk criticising his beloved Nvidia is to jump in with a remark about AMD. Whataboutism…
Overpriced is a personal perspective. I sold my 1080ti for £600 so my 2080 only cost me £199 yes I know it was a sideways upgrade but it does the job for 4k and i’m pleased with it. But I do agree they are over priced but what other choice do we have. AMD just weren’t and still aren’t offering anything competitive to the top cards..
“Overprice”, “personal perspective”…. LOL nice one.
I was about to call you stupid ignorant but LOLs made me not to.
That is why we have graphics cards available at different price ranges to meet everyone’s own personal budget. Otherwise we would all just buy 2080ti wouldn’t we. Do you understand now?
Personal perspective huh? Here 1080TI costs around 700$? Meanwhile the 2080 (non TI) costs… wait for it………..
wait for it………..
wait for itttttttttttttttttttttttttt……
1500$. Should i mention the ti? I cant, they dont even ship it, cuz literally nobody wants to buy it here. Oh yes, i’m in Europe, so dont go at me with the whole – Oh poor Africa or whatever.
P.s. I dont dare imagine how much it costs in Brazil. Probably 5000$. GG gamers. GG $$$Nvidia$$$
I’m surrounded by idiots. therefore, you buy the card that you can afford based upon your budget.
Exactly and even better thing is, Steam shows how only 0.50 % of users have the new cards. They aint selling that well, at least for the steam users.
Thank god people still have brains and dont buy overpriced junk. Its junk cuz Nvidia made sure it is. If anyone justifies buying the RTX cards, they are in the 0.50% of people, meanwhile us, the majority of people with brains will enjoy our 1000 bucks for other things.
Say no to price gouge with ur dmn wallets people, dont be kids and just want want want your new shiny toys.
“Shafting early adopters so soon with Super”
LMAO. RTX cards came out almost a year ago, brains
Nah, add a few months from when they start “selling” the cards. It takes ages until their cards reach most stores. We had to wait half a year here to just be able to ORDER a card. Many people just started buying them, around 2-3 months ago and now there is a Super version.. so yea.. brains…?!? >_>
You can buy it 2-3 month ago???
We get our RTX 2080 Ti in November 2018, 8 month ago.
No body complain that an smartphone is outdated 10 month after the announcement but everybody complain about GPU.
Dude you are in capitalist world! you want to say that Corp. are bad because they try to make money??? If you buy high tech you know your purchase will be surpassed in less than 1 year.
If you enjoy using it after years is a good buy, if you are frustrated because you don’t have the last killing-most-powerfull-huge-fashion tech and you can’t afford it, the problem is your bank account and not the overpriced gpu.
Remember the basic rule of any capitalistic world:
“it’s not that it’s expensive it’s that you can’t afford it”
Somehow i’ve not seen complaints that AMD shafted Vega 7 buyers by launching a card that gives 90% of the performance 300 dollars cheaper a few months later…
i wonder what the price will be? like 599 or something.
I recommend waiting for the 7nm series before upgrading your GPU if you own a GTX 1080 or above as these 12nm parts are just a stop gap for that last major jump that we will see when these hit 7nm.
Even a simple shrink and adding more cores will be enough to allow Nvidia to make quite an improvement to their cards without even touching the architecture which we know Nvidia probably will with Ampere.
I call the “Super” cards nothing more then a answer to Navi probably a product line that didn’t even need to come from Nvidia as Navi will most likely compete with the 2070 and 2060 cards more then their super counterparts. Simply put Amd still has nothing to compete with Nvidia in the enthusiast market with Navi.
As a GTX 1080 owner i feel like Navi finally replaces my card but does so at a 450$ price tag in 2019 when the card came out in May in 2016!
Very happy Ryzen seems to be doing so well and I look forward to their 3000 series launch more so then Navi
Oh, I’m sure the MSRP will be just comical. Nvidia will continue to push those boundaries.
Aw man, RTX, SUPER then THIS ? They’re really fkin with their customers like i know when you’re an early adopter there’s a price to pay but still 3gpu launches in what 3 years ? isn’t too much ?
Progress never stops i guess.
edit
PROFITS never stops.
lmfao
Super is just a part of RTX.
Honestly the only wierd thing is that they waited for so long to get to 7nm.
And honestly the idea that when you buy a gpu there shouldnt be a more powerful gpu next year is just dumb. The new gpus dont hurt anyone in any way.
there is nothing weird with nvidia not adopting 7nm earlier. nvidia most often will do what is best for the company financial wise. take HBM for example. the decision not to use HBM on gaming class card was a right decision. even with GDDR5X there is no handicap to GTX1080ti over Vega 64. in fact 1080ti with GDDR5X have more bandwidth than Vega 64 using HBM 2 because AMD only using 2 stack of HBM 2 to reduce the cost. with their architecture efficiency they don’t really need 7nm just yet.
The cycle is quite short it’s all i’m saying. Correct me if i’m wrong but 10 series have had a great run! Over 2years more or less.
“” AMD may release a high-end NAVI model (this is based on the rumoured graphics cards that have been found in some drivers) “”
On that note, I just wanted to point out that according to the roadmap, NAVI 20 is going to land next year, 2020.
These might be high-end NAVI GPU offerings, though this is just based on pure speculation for now. Also, NAVI would be the last AMD GPU to be based on the GCN architecture though (refined). In 2021 we might see a completely new arch, rumored as ARCTURUS, (most probably on VLIW2, or as AMD calls it SUPER-SIMD). This is where things might change for AMD.
“Actually, AMD will be focusing on the mid-range market with their new 7nm power-efficient Navi architecture. In fact, even AMD’s Mark Papermaster confirmed that 7nm Radeon VII will be AMD’s top-tier graphics card for the time being.”.
So I don’t expect high-end models to come out soon though. Also, 4 more NAVI GPU variants were leaked before on a “MacOS Mojave update” source code. These are Navi 16, Navi 12, Navi 10 and Navi 9.
But these are basically the names of the product variants, not codenames of four different processors. Though, we have seen references to Navi 10 and Navi 12 being two distinct GPUs on previous occasions, so this gets a bit confusing for now. Anyways, this MacOS entry is legit though. The file is named as “AMDRadeon6000HWServiceskext”.
Also, high-end NAVI GPUs aren’t going to come out this year. So, expect only mainstream and mid-range products, so you can guess the performance bracket as well, based on speculation.
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That’s ironic.
I hope it’s early next year at least.
High end needs competition too.
yeah Indeed.
Video card prices….. When I look at video card prices I get really excited. Oh wait, that’s depression. I love tech, I love high end. But Nvidia just breaks it off in you.
Any decent GPU out there is worth to buy if your only have RX550…
The “Only” GPU from Nvidia which really stands out from the crowd right now is GTX 2060 SUPER…Performance equivalent to 1080,8GB DDR6,some mainstream raytracing potential,256bit…This will sell ! And if it gets to a magic 350$/Euro it will sell like hell ! Anything above this is waste of money…And remember it can overclock,that means surpassing 1080 overclocked !
So there’s no point in buying either the RTX or RTX Super cards now then?
Oh cool, Nvidia will turn low end into 500$, mid end – 1000$, high end – 2000$ with Ampere. Can’t wait to stick with 1080p for another 5 years, before 1440p bites the dust (still f*cking expensive) and 4K puts the mainstream crown.
500% sure that will happen, i literally just said it myself. It wont stop at 2000$ either, just like phones dont stop at 500 or 1000… theres 2000 and even 3000$ phones. Im sure there will be a 4000 one too.
and AMD will gladly support that. we need intel to shake the GPU pricing
Sign me up. I have another 1500$ to waste on a 5% upgrade. Will need a new water block. Import taxes to Japan. Yeah… around 2k for a gpu upgrade. God, I love PC gaming.
Sign me up. I have another 1500$ to waste on a 5% upgrade. Will need a new water block. Import taxes to Japan. Yeah… around 2k for a gpu upgrade. God, I love PC gaming.
https://youtu.be/WYTPgDvLkmY
From 12nm TSMC to 7nm EUVL Samsung (7LPP) will be 2/3 upgrade not one.
I have nothing against TSMC but their tech marketing name are a real scam.
The 7nm at TSMC is not a 7nm,
something similar to the 7nm EUVL from Samsung will be the TSMC 7nm+, (why adding a + when in fact must be smaller?).
TSMC already start to test an 5nm EUVL (5nm+?) this spring but I don’t think will be available for mass production before 2021.
The TSMC 7nm+ (EUVL) they were supposed to start in June 2019 (new Huawei Kirin 985 and new apple A13), but I didn’t read any official confirmation about it.
In other hand Samsung start mass production with the
7LPP in October 2018 and 9 month on this kind of technology is a long time, moreover chips made using 7LPP EUV technology can be coupled with 2.5D silicon interposer.
TSMC high perf tech prove working incredible well on AMD Zen processor but they need to do something about their marketing because you can’t try to trick the customer like that in 2019.
mid 2020?? nvidia gpu 7nm -> rtx 3060 8gb, rtx 3070 12gb, rtx 3080 12gb, rtx 3080ti 17gb ??
Just like physx, sound, etc, would like to see dedicated RT core cards that would handle just lighting – though I dont know if this is technically possible, fast enough, with bus limitations. Perhaps they could also take a PCIe lane.
RTX cards seem like way too much going on and limiting itself within a single component (just look at Quake 2) similar to overly loaded console mobile APUs, a combination of tasked units each of which are parsed out and dedicated components on higher perf systems. Those of us who’ve worked as leads with enterprise systems know that “dedicated” is far better than “jack of all trades” do it all hw combos.
I am just talking out of my ignorance of how this graphics tech (hw & sw) is built and pushed through the pipeline, but seeing how separate cores on the cards handle this I would much rather pay for “degrees” of RTing perf and customize the rasterizing however I want completely separate without having to rebuy entire hybrid RTX cards with both again, again, and again just for puny raster increases – which will be the norm until the competition can get a solution going.
TL;DR – For me the dream would be dedicated cards: separate rasterizing and separate RTing cards – since this lighting tech is now so demanding and handled by its own cores.
I dont know; one can dream.