Forza Motorsport 7 is a racing game we were really looking forward to. After fixing Forza Horizon 3’s ridiculous CPU scaling issues, we were hoping that the Forza Motorsport 7 performance would be better at launch. However, and as its demo indicated, things were not looking that great. So here we are today with the final version of the game, and it’s time to see how this new racer performs on the PC.
For this PC Performance Analysis, we used an Intel i7 4930K (overclocked at 4.2Ghz) with 8GB RAM, AMD’s Radeon RX580, NVIDIA’s GTX980Ti and GTX690, Windows 10 64-bit and the latest version of the GeForce and Catalyst drivers. Given its DX12 nature, the game does not support SLI. As such, our GTX690 performed similarly to a GTX680.
Turn10 has included a wealth amount of graphics settings to tweak. PC gamers can adjust the quality of Dynamic Render and whether they will be using Dynamic Optimization. Gamers can unlock the framerate and also adjust the quality of Resolution Scale, Anisotropic Filtering, Motion Blur, Shadows, Particles Resolution, Procedural, Car Livery, Mirrors, Car Model, Particle Effects, Wet Reflections, MSAA, Lens Flares, Windshield Reflections, Track Textures and Reflection.
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In order to find out how the game performs on a variety of CPUs, we simulated a dual-core and a quad-core CPU. Thankfully, Turn10 has included a built-in benchmark tool that is representative of the in-game performance, so we used that.
Our six-core and simulated quad-core systems performed almost identically. We did notice a small performance boost when we enabled Hyper Threading on our simulated quad-core system. However, we also noticed a small performance decrease when we enabled Hyper Threading on our six-core system. Our simulated dual-core system was unable to run the game without Hyper Threading due to severe stuttering. With Hyper Threading enabled, it was able to offer a somehow acceptable performance.
As we reported back in September, Forza Motorsport 7’s demo suffered from major CPU scaling issues. And unfortunately these issues have not been resolved. Turn10 claimed that the game scales on multiple CPU cores but as we can see, the game stresses only two CPU cores. As such, we’ve experienced CPU bottlenecks due to this awkward behaviour. The following screenshot clearly backs up our claims. Even though the game is not pushing our CPU to the limits (apart from two CPU cores), our GPU that was not used to its fullest. As such, and due to these mediocre CPU scaling issues, we were CPU limited. Yes, we are talking about more than 90fps here, however that’s not an excuse.
Forza Motorsport 7 is one of the few games that benefits AMD’s GPUs over NVIDIA’s. Our Radeon RX580 was able to surpass the NVIDIA GTX980Ti, something that really amazed us. While the GTX980Ti was able to push an average of 80fps on Ultra settings at 1080p, the Radeon RX580 offered an average of 103fps. It’s also worth noting that GPU usage was higher on AMD’s hardware. We don’t know what is causing the underwhelming performance on NVIDIA’s hardware, or whether a new driver update will be able to fix it. The good news is that both GPUs were able to offer a constant 60fps experience in 4K with 2XMSAA. So yeah, despite its CPU issues, the game runs extremely well on the PC.
The game comes with five presets; Very Low, Low, Medium, High and Ultra. However, and due to the CPU optimization issues we mentioned earlier, the performance difference between these presets is minimal. For example, the benchmark ran with 124fps on Very Low and with 103fps on Ultra.
Furthermore, we experienced some stability issues the longer we were playing. After a few races, we noticed extreme stuttering. Not only that, but the game was freezing at the Loading screen after a few free races. In both cases we had to restart the game in order to resolve these issues. We don’t know what is causing them (a memory leak perhaps?) however this is something that Turn10 needs to address as soon as possible.
Graphics wise, Forza Motorsport 7 looks great. Still, it cannot come close to Project CARS 2. Project CARS 2 appears to have a better and more customised weather system, and more advanced lighting. Both games feature detailed cars and tracks. And while Forza Motorsport 7 has gorgeous rain drop effects, it has some truly awful and simple rain/water spray effects. It also has very simple and mediocre trees.
From the looks of it, Turn10 created a title that runs silky smooth on a variety of GPUs instead of a game that showcases what modern-day racing games are capable of. And this is a double-edged sword. Yes, the game runs well (as long as there aren’t those annoying stutters mind you) and looks – for the most part – great. However, it cannot top what Slightly Mad Studios is offering with Project CARS 2.
All in all, Forza Motorsport 7 is a mixed bag. While there is no denying that the game suffers from CPU optimization issues, the game can run exceptionally well on most modern-day systems. Moreover, it does not require a high-end GPU. AMD owners will also find here a game that benefits their cards, and it’s the perfect game to rub in their NVIDIA friends’ faces. Still, those with CPUs (that offer weaker IPC performance) may encounter performance issues. Turn10 claimed that the game scales on multiple threads. However, our six-core and simulated quad-core systems performed similarly, indicating that there is room for improvement. The game also suffers from stuttering and stability issues. Here is hoping that a few post-release patches will improve things further. Turn10 has done it in the past with Forza Horizon 3, and we sure hope that it will do it again with Forza Motorsport 7.
Enjoy!
John is the founder and Editor in Chief at DSOGaming. He is a PC gaming fan and highly supports the modding and indie communities. Before creating DSOGaming, John worked on numerous gaming websites. While he is a die-hard PC gamer, his gaming roots can be found on consoles. John loved – and still does – the 16-bit consoles, and considers SNES to be one of the best consoles. Still, the PC platform won him over consoles. That was mainly due to 3DFX and its iconic dedicated 3D accelerator graphics card, Voodoo 2. John has also written a higher degree thesis on the “The Evolution of PC graphics cards.”
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So pretty much… Nvidia is good for Bottlenecks in DX11. And AMD is good with forced Bottlenecks in DX12 from a developer. Because yeah I have owned the game on PC day 1 and they still have not fixed the insane core usage always at 100%.
Forza 7 is designed for Xbox X so it can use huge amount of draw calls. Xbox can process many times more draw calls than any CPU on PC. Xbox uses hardware directx command processor instead of standard CPU for preparing draw calls. So it can create draw calls nearly for free.
AMD also have some kind of hardware to process commands built in GPU. So only Nvidia use standard CPU for draw calls
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You are like a cancer to this community with your constant bloody spamming.
Sorry but Haswel is still faster CPU power then Xbox X… Once they fix the core issue it will run even better then it already does. And a I3 with a RX 580 plays the game at true Native 4K on it’s highest settings unlike what Xbox X does
You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
Oh bugger, my bad, wrong post ^^
Racing games are for autistic peasants, I pray every racing game developer goes out of business.
This is the same guy that said that the Developers of No Man’s Sky should all go into a closet and hang themselves together. I’m not sure if this guy is all there, especially if that avatar is a selfie.
Get a life, tard.
Already have one, that’s why i don’t play racing games.
Great Game on Radeons + ACE. The future API is here.
RX 580 is faster than GTX 980Ti. Totally not Gimping Evolved. That is closer to metal. Slower hardware is better than faster hardware.
A GTX 980 Ti is a good bit faster than the RX 580 in most games.
Also, the 980 Ti came out 2 years before the RX 580. The 980 Ti is a previous generation. Why compare them anyway?
Because GTX 980 Ti is high-end GPU. RX 580 is rebranded min-range RX 480.
“Because GTX 980 Ti is high-end GPU”
Yes, and no. It’s a high end Maxwell GPU from 2 years before the RX 580 but it’s not the current high end Nvidia GPU. The GTX 780 Ti is a high end Kepler GPU from 4 years ago but what relevance would it have to anyone if you compare it to the midrange RX 580 also?
AMD has slowed to a crawl in GPU tech for a couple of years now but I think next year they will have something good to compare to Volta but there’s nothing solid yet.
Wow! That Shitbox One X sounds like the best thing ever. You should tell all the world about how great it is…….well, until next year when it’s just another slow shitbox compared to PC hardware and you have to wait yet another 3 years to buy the next shitbox and play catch-up all over again.
When the next gen console is outpreformed by a 50$ 2 core Sh*t
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You’re going to give Sp4ctr0 a stroke. Please don’t take his vision of the greatest Shitbox ever away from him. He’s a console gamer. He has so little as it is. Let him have his moment of glory. He won’t get another for 4 or 5 years.
You are right . What have i done .
What would Microsoft a multi billion corporation do whit out his shinig knight Sp4ctr0 .
MS stock is at an all time high. Their Market Cap is around 585 billion dollars. They virtually own the OS sector for anyone not on an Apple. How they got there is an ugly story though and the harm that they have done to PC gamers is not forgotten by me. They can shove their sh*tty little sh*t store where the sun don’t shine as far as I’m concerned.
Fu*king comment of the month sir! @JohnDio:disqus Please make his comment the Comment of the month!
“cinematic”
Digital Foundry:
“On the PC, multi-sampling up to 8x is in play, which provides a crisp presentation with some nicely resolved sub-pixel details. EQAA is used instead on Xbox One X – an AMD specific AA implementation that shares similarities with MSAA. Sub-pixel reproduction isn’t quite as good on the One X, but really, outside of the power lines appearing less distinct it’s not something that sticks out when viewing on a 4K screen from typical living room viewing distances. The pixel density ensures that both looks reasonably clean and crisp.”
Funny to see you boasting about Forza 7 PC, what did you tell us last month ?
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Check benchmarks – Xbox X is faster than GTX 1070
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Stuck in an endless loop ?
Oops, still trying to compare an unoptimized PC version (and even you know it) with the One X version using an inferior AA solution ?
This guy is representative of the console mentality unfortunately. Take one game and use it as absolute proof that the console is just as good as PC hardware. Nevermind the mountain of games right in front of him that you will have a better gaming experience with on midrange PC hardware. Just focus on the one unoptimized game and draw absolute conclusions from that.
Sp4ctr0 has said it before. He’s done with PC gaming and now he’s buying a Shitbox One X. Why he’s still on a PC gaming site and advertising the Shitbox One X is obvious. If I were a moderator I would IP ban this clown.
Enjoy your FXAA Sp4ctr0 on your shiny new UltraBox Mega Super X because until the 2013 Shitbox One and PS4 dinosaurs are finally thrown in the garbage can that is all the choice you will have in most games. FXAA is why console games look so blurry. It’s a blur filter but it’s the least demanding AA there is and that’s why Developers use it for the console versions of AAA games. It blurs the jaggies to make them not so obvious but it blurs textures too.
LOL.. you don’t even know difference between EQAA (similar to MSAA) and FXAA 🙂
Again…..one game Sp4ctr. One game. The vast majority of games you buy for the next few years will still use FXAA because the Developers have to use it because of the antique Shitbox One and PS4 hardware. Check back with us in a couple of years and list the handful of Shitbox One X games that allow you to use something better than FXAA.
btw the Shitbox One and to a lesser extent the PS4 were pitiful on release next to PC hardware even in 2013. At least MS is making a better effort at getting beyond 720p resolution in console gaming this time but next year……next year when Volta drops Sp4ctr0, you’re going to be wishing you hadn’t sold your PC.
I will wait that few years… and I bet that in 2020 most games on PC still be written in DX11 for Windows 7, without HDR and sold on DVD instead Blu-Ray 4K… like in 2009 🙂
You’re probably right about DX11. Developers have already been crying about “it’s hard to learn how to use DX12”.
But who the heck buys a PC game on DVD anyway. That’s the custom of the antique console crowd. Most people who build their own rig don’t even put a DVD player in. It’s just a waste of money unless it’s for a laptop that you might want to watch movies on but then you could just rip the movie to your HDD so it’s become pointless kind of like the floppy disk.
btw What are you going to do with your Steam collection of games now that you’ve downgraded your gaming to peasant status?
EQAA still more inferior than 4x msaa
And keep showing off that one game…this game was developed mostly for xbox one x and the pc version is badly optimized and yet it surpass xbox one x performances.
Of course i wont be surprised if forza 7 wont be patched fast microsoft probably want to make sure their xbox one x seems more powerfull that it really is for gullible fools like you.
Meanwhile all other games like rise of the tomb raider,destiny 2,halo wars 2… Runs and look worse on xbox one x compared to decent pc from 1-2 years ago.
Enjoy your static obsolete platform and paying for online lol
“And keep showing off that one game”
This article is about this game
“Runs and look worse on xbox one x compared to decent pc from 1-2 years ago”
How much you paid for that “decent pc”? 2000 usd? 3000 usd? Show me specs with prices. Do you have Blu-Ray 4K UHD with HDR? Show me your specs – lets compare its price and power to Xbox X 🙂
And how much do Microsoft pay you to spam every thread with your bloody console BS.
And I bet that in 2020 we’ll still be ridiculing your peasant boxes over how underpowered they are compared to the PC Master Race.
D0h!
Funny thing is you seem to think EQAA is speical, it’s been around since 2011 on PC. NVIDIA’s version is called CSAA, you know, when alot of games back then used MSAA, LOL
This guy is a living propaganda of Micro$oft. And i don’t know why he didn’t get the ban.
Because, as John has said before, it takes a lot to get banned from his sight because there’s no coming back afterwards. That doesn’t mean we can’t slap Sp4ctr0 around when he’s being annoying with his Shitbox propaganda and advertising ; )
Yeah, but at least as AmigaBot4000 he was spamming about Windows 10 & we got a couple of good arguments out of it, whereas now he’s just spamming marketing bullet points & copy/pasting images about the sh*tbox.
I mean, come on!
Coverage sampling AA has been around for years on PC, 8 Series NVIDIA GPU, 6000 series AMD GPU, NVIDIA use CSAA, AMD use EQAA on PC. You’re years out of date with your info. LOL.
NVIDIA has a much newer MFAA now and works in many games that support MSAA, also TXAA which is MSAA, temporal/post combined.
So it’s Forza Horizon 3 all over again, good stuff, i’ll check back on it in about 6-8 months then.
this game has no stuttering unlike horizon 3, just coz 1 core getting max does not mean bad optimization this game also make use of other cores as tested by this site.
>this game has no stuttering unlike horizon 3,
I’ve seen alot of people and reviewers say otherwise, just coz 1 website says it’s fine doesn’t automatically mean that it actually is.
From my experience, the demo stutters as well which is a red flag by itself.
Check benchmarks of Forza 7 🙂
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You cant compare the PC benchmarks (8xMSAA) to the X version (EQAA)
Why? Forza on Xbox use new EQAA… which is not available on GeForce GTX 1070 so this card use older MSAA. Final image is equal with both methods.
Digital Foundry:
“EQAA is used instead on Xbox One X – an AMD specific AA implementation that shares similarities with MSAA
Nice cherrypicking….
Digital Foundry:
“On the PC, multi-sampling up to 8x is in play, which provides a crisp presentation with some nicely resolved sub-pixel details. EQAA is used instead on Xbox One X – an AMD specific AA implementation that shares similarities with MSAA. Sub-pixel reproduction isn’t quite as good on the One X, but really, outside of the power lines appearing less distinct it’s not something that sticks out when viewing on a 4K screen from typical living room viewing distances. The pixel density ensures that both looks reasonably clean and crisp.”
Oops, still trying to compare an unoptimized PC version (and even you know it) with the One X version using an inferior AA solution ?
Digital foundry said that both looks the same after 800% zoom
Check all hardware specs… Xbox is way faster than GTX 1070. For example memory:
Xbox X – 12 GB GDDR5, 384-bit, 326 GB/s
GTX 1070 – 8 GB GDDR5, only 256-bit, only 256 GB/s
Do you really think that GTX 1070 with such slow memory can beat Xbox X? New Xbox One X have faster memory than GTX 1080 🙂
“Digital foundry said that both looks the same after 800% zoom.”
“it’s not something that sticks out when viewing on a 4K screen from typical living room viewing distances.”
From typical living room viewing distances….Oops…
So yeah you are still trying to compare an unoptimized PC version (and even you know it) with the One X version using an inferior AA solution
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Oops, still editing your post ?
“Check all hardware specs… Xbox is way faster than GTX 1070. For example memory:
Xbox X – 12 GB GDDR5, 384-bit, 326 GB/s
GTX 1070 – 8 GB GDDR5, only 256-bit, only 256 GB/s”
Vega 56:
Memory Type: HBM2
Memory Bus: 2048 bit
Bandwidth: 409.6 GB/s
Tflops: 10.5
VS
GTX 1070
Memory Type: GDDR5
Memory Bus: 256 bit
Bandwidth: 256.3 GB/s
Tflops: 6.5
So -153.3 GB/s and -4Tflops
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Vega 64:
Memory Type: HBM2
Memory Bus: 2048 bit
Bandwidth: 483.8 GB/s
Tflops: 12.7
VS
GTX 1080:
Memory Type: GDDR5X
Memory Bus: 256 bit
Bandwidth: 320.3 GB/s
Tflops: 8.9
So -163.5 GB/s and -3.8Tflops…
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Just for laughing:
R9 390X:
Memory Type: GDDR5
Memory Bus: 512 bit
Bandwidth: 384.0 GB/s
Tflops: 6
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Result:
Once again, you have made a dumb comparison…
You don’t know anything about hardware, do you? Comparing VRAM of a single GPU with memory shared by a whole system is dumb.
Sp4ctr0 is just spreading the same manure that MS and Sony have been feeding the console peasants since 2013 about faster RAM making a huge difference. They don’t know anything better because most of them stick to either console oriented sites or get their info from the likes of IGN which will spew any drivel for money.
There’s no way to prove it on the Shitbox One because there wasn’t a version released with slower RAM so they just have to take the word of those honest guys at MS lol. With PC you can look at benches of the 1060 and 1080 with the GDDR5 and faster GDDR5X VRAM and see that the faster VRAM didn’t make that much of a difference.
In any case by the time that the Shitbox One Super X is available Volta gaming GPUs will be only a few months away and even an entry level Volta will beat the Xbox X. That’s right Sp4ctr0 a GPU for less than $200 will beat your Xbox X and two years from that an entry level GPU of that generation will run circles around your Xbox X and you won’t be enjoying your Shitbox so much then will you?
Any game that is somewhat CPU intensive will be dropping frames like crazy.
Don’t forget those 30fps games while on the GTX 1070, 60/144hz so yeah XBX1 is already being beaten by a year old GPU, double or triple FPS in certain games at a few £100 more than XB1, plus all old PC games at 4K.
You idiiot you idiot. The fanboys are continuous with the lies and think they F****** tech. Can the X providing 1080p 60 or higher , 1440p 60 or higher all native 4k games I think not so stop. you damn console fanboys are finally getting better hardware but instead of being humble you damn imbeciles overhype your hardware and now want to compare to high end pc hardware. Now when more powerful gpu come out in the near future are you idiots still gonna compare your closed systems to high end PC. Ignorance is so bliss with fanboys. ..You X is so powerful bet yet can only 30fps with Destiny 2 and shadow of war and more games to come. …
Yes when it has a tablet based processor. This game was highly optimized for the Xbox one X where obviously this game lacks any type of optimization on the PC with one core always being maxed at 100%.
Then explain why the GTX 1070 is able to match the XB1X in 4K same settings. Ghost recon Wildlands and ROTTR can keep above 30fps on the GTX 1070, same with Quantum break at 1440p. XB1X is doing fake 4K in some games at 30fps.
And you forgot that nvidia have very good compression tech on hardware level to help their gpu use bandwidth more effectively. Just because they have much less bandwidth means radeon gpu with much faster bandwidth will beat it in performance.
You cant be serious with your BS… Cause it shares similarities with MSAA does not mean it equates MSAA. Fool…. Ask any PC gamer MSAA is very demanding tech to use for AA. So now if PC gamers had EQAA the performance would sky rock just like how the X(aka rx 480) is doing.
It’s like NVIDIA’s CSAA, in other words cheaper for the GPU to render than MSAA and slightly worse quality. Meanwhile the PC version is running full quality MSAA upto 8 samples.
EQAA isn’t new, been on AMD PC GPUs since 2011, NVIDIA’s version is called CSAA or MFAA which is the newer MSAA implementation and yes they’re not as demanding, NVIDIA GPUS could do 16xqCSAA/32xCSAA back in the day.
New??? is ages there is EQAA in ati cataliyst .
1070gtx is on pair with 980ti, and even with 2xmsaa both cards struggles leeping solid 60fps in this game at 4K. John shared with us just 580rx results, because otherwise peoole will see dips below 60fps on 980ti, while 500$ console push 90fps average in 4K
“even with 2xmsaa both cards struggles leeping solid 60fps in this game at 4K” In Forza 7 perhaps, which is tailored and optimized towards AMD hardware, no surprise since it’s developed for consoles in mind, PC version has CPU and performance issues. Just shows what a bunch of ugly sellouts Turn 10 are.
I can guarantee you in other games the 1070 and 980Ti will outshine the XboneX performance wise.
It’s just another pathetic cherry-picking example from your side.
Plot twist everybody: PB is Sp4ctr0’s second account.
“Plot twist everybody: PB is Sp4ctr0’s second account.”
Or maybe they are twins…What is sure, they share the same BS.
I quess people like you just cant stand that not all PC enthusiasts are immature fanatics like Oscar and you. Of course there are also console fanatics that behave in similar way and dont want acknowledge facts (for example that PC will be always superior platform), but I’m trying to post my honest opinions regardles if I’m talking with PC or console fanboys
Your “honest opinion” is full of the same BS.
Just a small example, your 90fps claim.
That’s true to say that they obtained this framerate at 4k on the X nevertheless it was with the same build used at this moment on OG One, not ultra settings…
Do you really think xbox one runs forza 7 on low details? look at John benchmarks, even max settings are not that much more damanding besides MSAAx8. This game on xbox one looks close to PC version besides reflections, 4K textures and better LOD in the distance and that’s it. 580rx results on ultra settings gives 80fps in 4K, and xboX scorpio GPU is way faster compared to that card because of vega features and changes made by microsoft engineers (the have found out the biggest bottlenecks that were slowing AMD GPU and instructed AMD to build GPU with their changes). Forza 7 stays 60fps locked all the time, so minimal fps should be around 70 and average around 80-90fps, so not far way as digital foundry wrote
“Do you really think xbox one runs forza 7 on low details?”
That’s was not low but not ultra clearly. And Forza 6 on OG One used dynamic settings and other tricks to deliver 1080p60fps, it won’t be a surprise at all if the FM7 build used had all these tricks included….
“even max settings are not that much more damanding besides MSAAx8.”
And the One X is so powerful that they used EQAA instead of MSAA…
“Forza 7 stays 60fps locked all the time, so minimal fps should be around 70 and average around 80-90fps, so not far way as digital foundry wrote”
So this time, it’s your own speculation. Clearly, more than 70fps for a console is overkill, and pretty sure that the “gpu” of the One X can’t handle 4k Ultra EQAA 90fps.
Nevertheless, you can still dream about it Sp4ctr0
No, 70 fps in 60fps locked game is not everkill. Have you ever played game on PC with fraps (or any other fps counter)? Minimal fps is always wayyy below average fps, and if some game developer like turn10 wants 100% stable 60fps, that average fps must be way higher. One way or another, xboX launch is not far away, and we will see detailed analysis/comparisons soon. Based on all articles that I have read and xboX gameplays I estimate 1080GTX level GPU will be needed to mach exactly xboX graphics settings in games (exactly as turn10 recommendes for their game). And if for some reason we will find out, that 1070GTX or even 1060GTX (that seems very unlikely) is enough to max xboX scorpio graphics settings it still will not change anything for me, because with 1080ti I can max out any console game anyway.
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I have good PC and PS4pro right now, but I still want to buy xboX not only because is cheap, but because I dont want to miss some really great games like Halo. Then I will compare xboX games on PC and console, and make my own comaprsion to people.
“No, 70 fps in 60fps locked game is not everkill. Have you ever played game on PC with fraps (or any other fps counter)? Minimal fps is always wayyy below average fps, and if some game developer like turn10 wants 100% stable 60fps, that average fps must be way higher. ”
First, i wrote more than 70fps…And clearly on a console devs don’t need an average of 80 fps for a locked 60fps, especially with a game like Forza where even the dynamic weather is not dynamic on the demo.
“Based on all articles that I have read and xboX gameplays I estimate 1080GTX level GPU will be needed to mach exactly xboX graphics settings in games (exactly as turn10 recommendes for their game). And if for some reason we will find out, that 1070GTX or even 1060GTX (that seems very unlikely) is enough to max xboX scorpio graphics settings it still will not change anything for me, because with 1080ti I can max out any console game anyway.”
Oops, with the last Nvidia drivers the GTX 1070 seems to handle 4k maxed out 8xMSAA at 60fps even on this unoptimized version of the game…
Nevertheless, Nvidia can’t solve problems due to the lazy devs
GTX 1060 is enough for a 4k maxed out – 60fps – 2xMSAA on the demo, with the new drivers pretty sure it will handle 4xMSAA
Stop putting “oops” you sound like a queer
“Stop putting “oops” you sound like a queer”
That’s one of your sexual fantasy, not my problem dude
EQAA is supposed to enhance MSAA according to AMD back in 2011 when it was used on PC. DF said EQAA looked worse compared to MSAA so not sure what’s going on. it depends on the sampled used, we don’t know how many samples XBX1 is using.
If i well remember, DF told us that Turn10 used 2f4x EQAA with the Forza 6 port.
My dear Oscar, it’s always a pleasure to read your posts :). Well only someone like you could think about something that absurd, but I quess when people cant deny facts they behave like you and post some crazy accusations and conspiracy theories. I dont read every Sp4ctr0s post, so I dont know if I can agree with him on everything, but if he will post facts, I can even upvote his comments.
John is admin on this site, so he should have people IP’s and be aware of any possible multi accounts. If someone would use two accounts, I bet he would know that first.
When it comes to my posts, I’m always trying to post honest opinions without ignoring the facts, and depending on the site either PC or console fanboys are butthurt when they read my comments :).
Some of my current opinions if you interested:
-xboX is big unknown, but when it comes to hardware speed that console is impressive. When PS4pro can run titanfall 2 in 1440p, xboX runs the same game in 4K downscaled from even 6K! For 500$ price no PC can mach it, so if someone cant afford good PC like me, xboX looks like good alternative. Games in 4K native or checkerboard looks stunning on big 4K hdtv.
-PC is the best gaming platform, because you can always choose settings you want, and almost every multiplatform game will look and run better on PC, not to mention mods.
-I love games regardles of platform, and I’m always try to choose the best version. I prefer to play all multiplatform games on PC (my asus strix 1080ti with 2GHz OCruns games better than any console) but because not all games are ported to PC I’m forced to buy consoles because I dont want to miss some of the best SP games.
-because I have good PC and PS4 pro I can post my honest opinions in regards to consoles and some exlusive games. For example before I bought PS4pro I though Rise of the tomb raider has the best graphics and nothing can surpass it, but after playing uncharted 4 and “the order” for myself I was blown away because I wasnt expecting tech demo quality in game, yet alone console game. Because console exclusive games surpass graphics on PC, it’s sad to see PC platform in it’s current state because years ago PC had easily the best looking games. Years ago PC developers were pushing graphics quality on PC regardles of consoles with each year, but now 99% of AAA PC games are multiplatform games build with console hardware in mind. I still remember crysis1, it run with just 30 fps like console game on my 8800Ultra but I was blown away and still happy to see game like that running on my PC. Two months ago I bought 1080ti and although that card is much faster compare to PS4pro GPU, games dont shows that card power (besides resolution increase and better performance games still looks similar when it comes to lighting, details and stuff like that). I blame lazy PC developers for that, because very few developers are making PC AAA exclusives these days.
PB, you’re said too many dumb things so I don’t have any respect towards you. You just assume things about something that is not even out yet. And even so, it’s impossible to compare consoles to PC’s because we don’t know what exact settings are being used in the console versions of those games, so benchmarks aren’t happening.
What we do know: A single RX 580 runs the game at 4K/Ultra 60FPS with 2f4x EQAA.
The XBoneX runs it at 4K/Ultra with the same AA solution at 60FPS. We can’t know what the real FPS is since the FPS is locked at 60.
Secondly, comparing the XboneX to PC’s with nvidia GPU’s is not a fair comparison, because the game clearly favors AMD hardware, I mean the Vega 56 outperforms the GTX 1080 and even the 1080Ti in 1080p, which isn’t happening in other games.
You can’t tell how the average performance of the XboneX is gonna be, especially not from a AMD HW tailored game like Forza 7. And even when the console is released, we can’t know for sure, since there’s no way to make valid benchmarks. But it’s definitely not on par with the GTX 1070, it’s more on par with the RX 580, which is equal to the 1060 in performance in most games. Having GTX 1060 performance and releasing at the end of the year isn’t impressive, and definitely not “Based on all articles that I have read and xboX gameplays I estimate 1080GTX level” as you’re claiming. It’s comment like that that makes me think you’re the second account of Sp4ctr0.
Now, as I said in the beginning about you saying dumb things, here’s yet another example that you just said in the very comment I respond to now:
“When PS4pro can run titanfall 2 in 1440p, xboX runs the same game in 4K downscaled from even 6K!”
If you’d done a little research you’d know that that statement is inaccurate. Let me quote DKo5 from Respawn Entertainment:
“The output resolution is 4K, but its rarely sitting on 4K. It’ll dip and rise constantly”
Meaning, if you’re staring at an empty wall or at the sky, the resolution will scale above 4K, and in other cases it will go below 4K, like when there’s lot’s of action going on on screen. How often do you think it will scale above 4K compared to scaling below 4K? Yeah, not as often fore sure.
Besides, settings are not sitting at Ultra, and AO is disabled, they use the extra headroom for higher resolution, which is dumb too. You won’t even notice when the resolution scales above 4K when sitting on a couch watching the TV from afar.
“Because console exclusive games surpass graphics on PC”
Not true, if you scrutinize the graphics in games like Uncharted 4, The Order you come to the conclusion that there are cutbacks of visual fidelity everywhere, and that the level design is optimized and scaled back to a more linear experience so save resources. Also, setting the framerate target to 30 FPS gives more headroom to visual fidelity and 30 FPS isn’t something PC gamers usually has as a standard, if we settled for 30 FPS, we could achieve even greater visuals. Of course, most triple-A titles are visually and technically held back due to consoles and version/system parity, so graphics are unfortunately often on PAR with the console versions. But console exclusives doesn’t provide more advanced graphics than on PC’s, because these exclusives are developed on PC’s in the first place.
The Order for example has lot’s of cutbacks in visuals, combined with a 30 FPS target, a rendering resolution of 800p or 1,536,000 pixels and linear level design its visuals are not really impressive, and definitely not on par with modern PC games or anywhere near PC “tech demo” levels of fidelity.
Just watched a gameplay video of The Order, I spotted the following:
-Aliasing
-Low-res shadows and/or no shadow filtering
-No ambient occlusion
-No dynamic shadows, shadows are pre-baked
-Shadow pop-ins (low shadow view distance for objects on screen)
-Low-res textures in many places
-No parallax occlusion mapping or tessellation
-Agressive LOD systems covered in depth of field and other post process effects
So yeah, cut-backs everywhere.
They can’t seem to get that XB1X is a RX580 with 326Mb/s Bandwidth, they always seem to keep comparing it to a GTX 1080 because it has simular memory bandwith, and yet a GTX 1080 can play other games at 144fps while XB1X is stuck at 30/60fps. These people know nothing about hardware and how memory bandwidth and CPU works, they just see big numbers.
The simple fact is that the GTX 1070 can and will outperfom the XB1X virtually every time thanks to PC CPUs being much better, I mean how is it that my GTX 1070 is able to match or outperform the XB1X at 4K with the 30fps lock in place with much less memory bandwith, case in point.
So you have 1070GTX (I had that card before too), and that place xboX performance on similar level as your PC, but you dont need to be angry because console will get fast GPU.
580RX and xboX scorpio GPU is not the same chip. Microsoft engineers have found out the biggest bottlenecks that were slowing AMD GPU’s in games, and instructed AMD to fix (rebuild GPU) these bottlenecks. So xbox chip is custom made and cant be compared to anything on PC market. On top of that scorpio GPU has some important vega architecture features, while 580RX has only polaris features.
If Xbox One X is equivalent of a 1070, or even a 1080 as you also claim it is…
Then why is the One X version of Titanfall 2 not running PC ultra settings and instead stays at PS4 Pro level settings? When a 1070 run maxed out 4K at over 60 FPS? Explain that!
And also, why is One X running only 30 FPS in “4K Enriched 30 FPS mode” with “near PC quality settings” when a 1070 runs it maxed out in 1440p (similar to the checkerboard resolution of 4K Enriched) at 60 FPS? Explain please!
Also, why is One X running on only medium-high settings in its “4K Native 30 FPS mode” when a 1070 runs over 30 FPS with everything maxed? Care to explain?
I can do the explaining! It’s because the GPU of One X is equivalent to a RX 580 give or take, that’s why. Now deal with it! And in the future, don’t just assume things or pull nonsense from your a$$ please.
Titanfall 2 can drop below 50fps even on 1080ti, and you will see 1080ti gameplay video with dips like that when John will accept my other post. 1070gtx is much slower card compared to 1080ti, so it will deep even below 60fps even more. Also to your knowledge, 1070gtx doesnt run rise of tombraider at 1440p with solid 60fps maxed out. I had this card before and for the most part that card was indeed able to push 60fps, but in geothermal valley there was 40-50fps. If you want I can find you yt gameplay on 1070gtx that shows similar dips.
As I can see Oscar, you have no idea how games runs not only on 1080ti, but also on 1070gtx. It’s clear to me that you base your conclusions just on benchmark charts alone that are done during simple scenarios and you have no idea how games indeed run on card like that. Can you share with use GPU you have on your PC because I doubt you have even 1070gtx, otherwise you will not post claims lime 60fps in the rise of tomb raider.
If you are so sure that xboX has 580rx, you should explain why xbox use vega architecture features, while 580rx on PC is pascal architecture? It’s not the same card obviously, and it’s not even taking into account changes made by microsoft enginners to that GPU, and they have instructed amd to rebuild it for them in order to fix bottlenecks. Maybe xboX GPU was indeed basing on that 580rx at ssome point, but after changes like that it’s no longer the same card
“Titanfall 2 can drop below 50fps even on 1080ti”
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60 FPS clean, with OC. Here’s 8 minutes of gameplay: /watch?v=GtESYjqATUw Doesn’t run below 60 FPS. What more proof do you need lol?
Sure, you can make any system drop below 50fps, if you have 5 titans throwing incendiary grenades all in one spot. But we’re talking about AVERAGE framerate throughout normal gameplay here. If locked 60 FPS is so important to you, then I can inform you that there’s a dynamic resolution option available on PC too, which would allow the game never to go under 60 FPS, that is with maxed out settings, while the Jokebox X still sits at PS4 Pro settings.
“1070gtx doesnt run rise of tombraider at 1440p with solid 60fps maxed out.”
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Yeah, so what if the framerate drops a bit in geothermal valley, it just shows that the developers are bad at level optimization. Besides, Suckbox One X also drops framerate in that level.
“As I can see Oscar, you have no idea how games runs not only on 1080ti, but also on 1070gtx.”
Seems like I’m the one providing links to benchmarks and proving YOU wrong 🙂 Time and time again. I wonder which one of us who doesn’t have any idea… You’re just yappin’ and I’m providing benchmark numbers… Go figure lol.
“If you are so sure that xboX has 580rx, you should explain why xbox use vega architecture features, while 580rx on PC is pascal architecture? It’s not the same card obviously”
I never claimed there’s a RX 580 that sits inside the Dickbox X, I claimed that its GPU is similar to the RX 580 PERFORMANCE WISE… You seem to have some problems to interpret things, especially written sentences.
Now, you still haven’t explained to me why Shitbox X runs Titanfall 2 on PS4 Pro level settings, when a 1070 runs it maxed out with 60 FPS average. If the Shitbox X could run it maxed out with 60 fps average it’s dynamic resolution would make it stay at 60 fps, but the settings would still be maxed out. But that’s not the case so…. Explain please!
You also didn’t explain why the Crapbox X only manages 30 FPS in its Enriched mode and why the settings are dialed back to PS4 Pro settings in its Native mode. When clearly a 1070 can do 60 fps in Enriched, also maintaining maxed settings in 4K native at over 30 FPS. Explain lol!
You have a lot of explanation to do buddy, otherwise you will just look like a fool.
Dude you sound like such an a$$. “Now deal with it”….. LMAO.. Whats wrong with you man? Why are you so mad that a console finally has some balls? I didnt hear nearly this much BS when the Pro released. “Now deal with it” sounds like you are salty a $500 console can push graphics very closely iof not better than your $1k pc. If you had a card like 1070. 1080 or 1080ti I would think you wouldnt even be arguing and will just let gme reviews and graphics comparisons do the talking. Instead you are here crying like a little baby. Thats right, a baby. Grow up.
Haha, so much tears! 😀 I’m not mad that consoles are getting better. I’m mad at people spreading BS that isn’t true. Huge difference there. I’m actually glad that consoles are getting stronger, that means the base level of visuals for AAA titles will be of a higher standard and PC gamers will benefit from it. But your shallow mind can’t stretch to that conclusion on its own now can it? Good thing I am here to explain that for you then.
The Shitbox X can’t “push graphics very closely if not better than” my PC.
As it’s not even out yet lmfao. And by the time the Shitbox X is released, I’ll be having a new GPU long before that. The Crapbox X will be playing catch-up to high-end PC’s until the next Shitbox is released and peasants has to upgrade once again, and then it has to play catch up all over again. Peasants can enjoy their inferior graphics and cinematic 30 fps. While I choose to play games as they’re meant to be played.
“If you had a card like 1070. 1080 or 1080ti I would think you wouldnt even be arguing and will just let gme reviews and graphics comparisons do the talking.”
No, wouldn’t matter if I had a Geforce 4 or triple Titan XP in my system, I would still crush BS claims on this board. And for the record, letting reviews and graphics comparisons do the talking IS exactly what I’m doing.
Now go cry. Unless you’ve got something important to add, or actually has something valid to prove, otherwise I suggest you stick to boards like IGN, N4G, Gamespot and the likes of those where you can find like-minded people 🙂
“1070gtx is on pair with 980ti, and even with 2xmsaa both cards struggles leeping solid 60fps in this game at 4K”
Another sh*tty assumption that you pulled out of your a$$. The 1070 estimates at at-least 75 FPS average and 65 FPS minimum @ 4K/Ultra/8xAA
The 1060 estimates at around 80-85 FPS average and around 70 FPS minimum @ 4K/Ultra/2xAA.
Don’t assume things so much PB, it makes you look bad.
so the x is using 8xmsaa I think not Sir so stop the PC comparison cause if the X was using 8xmsaa it would be in the range of a rx580 performance you imbecile. You damn console fanboys are finally getting better hardware but instead of being humble you damn imbeciles overhype your hardware and now want to compare to high end pc hardware. Now when more powerful gpu come out in the near future are you idiots still gonna compare your closed systems to high end PC. Ignorance is so bliss with fanboys. ..
You point frametimes, not FPS..1070 has 65,2fps(average) and 1080 has 75,4..
You can’t even read data right, XB1X would be between the GTX 1060 and 1070 on frame rate average as it’s 60fps. Frame times are no good because it’s badly optimised and plenty of DX11 games use CPU cores much better than this rubbish. DX12 is a joke here.
Thanks for that link, that minimal fps on 1080GTX supports my assumptions and explaing turn10 recommendation. Also 1060GTX performance looks very bad in this game and I have no idea why some people insist, that 1060GTX can max out this game even in 4K.
It can without MSAA on, go look at youtube videos and as said, the XB1X isn’t even using MSAA, it’s using a cheaper older EQAA from 2011.
If you can, please show me YT video on 1060GTX with 4K resolution, MAX OUT settings, without dynamic detail scaling at all, and with MSAAx2 (this should be comparable to EQAA performance wise?).
It can hit 60fps but not average, 4K ultra no MSAA, pretty good for a budget GPU and a 5 year old AMD FX CPU. If only the game was optimised better for CPU.
If it’s not average (yet alone minimal fps), than it’s far from OK and xboX performance level. Anyway, thanks for conversation, at least there are still some poeple on this site like you, who can write normal comments and behave like mature person.
BTW- Based on your avatar my quess is, that you like carmageddon reincarnation? When I was young I could play carmageddon 1 and 2 for months, really amazing games, but for some reason I have never played reincarnation. How you would rate reincarnation, can you recommend that game to old carmageddon fan? (it’s the same or different game?)
I just used this avatar because I brought carmageddon Max damage recently. :p
Red Dead Redemption 2:
– confirmed 4K on Xbox X
– not available on PC 🙂
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You dont know yet if red dead redemption 2 is coming or not on pc
And besides i was right a 980ti at 4k with 4x msaa which is better than whatever the aa xbox one x still manage a constant 60fps
And thats on an unoptimized version that max out only 2 cores.
Besides your beloved xbox one x got no games everything get released on pc and i would choose a console i would take the ps4 pro at least sony got some interesting exclusives…hell even switch is more worthwile than the xbox one x
I’m still wondering why people use AA at 4k. That is the real question.
You are talking abou a game what isnt even out on a system that isnt even out . Genius ………
Who confirmed 4k ?
I read on IGN that Jez Gorden said that on his podcast. Leaks confirms that game will support 4K
So you dont have a source ?
Yeah, same source as CNN fake news. lol
Microsoft 4K (“True 4K”) isn’t Real 4K, it’s Checkerboard 4K.
Admit it & stop shilling, already.
Right now most xboX enchanced games use 4K checkerboard resolution, but still many games (over 30 titles, AAA games included) indeed run in native 4K. Halo 5, assassin creed origins (at first that game was running with checkerboard but it’s native 4K now), forza 7, killer instincts 2, gears of war 4, rise of the tomb raider, and titanfall 2 to just name a few.
And BTW. Zatara, have you seen games in 4K checkerboard on your own eyes? As you can see in watch dogs 2 article, even John was impressed with picture quality that this technique gives. On my PC I’m playing games on HDTV in native 4K, and picture is perfect even up close, but the thing is checkerboard 4K also looks great, and just one meter away from 4K 55 hdtv checkerboard 4K gives me the same sharpness and picture quality impressions. Most of the time I watch my 55inch hdtv from 2,5 distance, and from that distance even 1080p looks good. I think microsoft is crazy pushing 4K native resolution on their console and waste power on resolution increase alone. I think peopke would rather see 60fps, better details, better lighting and staff like that because from normal viewing distance no one will see 4K native positives anyway.
I never said a word about how it looks, though, I’m just pointing out that Microsoft is vomiting out yet another half-truth by using the word “true”, implying that it’s actual “real” 4K, when we know for a fact that it’s not.
Regardless of whether or not it looks great, it’s false marketing & I have no tolerance for it, not from Microsoft, not from Sony, not from anyone in this f*cking industry, any more.
Agreed that pushing for 60 FPS would be a better idea, though.
“it’s false marketing & I have no tolerance for it, not from Microsoft, not from Sony, not from anyone in this f*cking industry, any more.”
That’s when you know you’re a loser, when you take something like the gaming industry so seriously. It looks great like you said, you either enjoy the product and buy it or move on. I’d tell you to quit being such a loser but I doubt my words would have much effect, it’s from an outside perspective on your whining you wouldn’t be able to see yourself. You probably think you’re a real 21st century rebel. THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS!
Damn, you seriously got triggered, didn’t you.
Cool ^^
You’re a typical loser, I’m a winner enjoying my time with you.
Wow, are you that fragile?
Might want to seek some professional help, wouldn’t want you jumping off a bridge or something.
Zataras words are not very effective!
Oh, no! What shall we do!
What we’ve always done. I keep laughing and you keep being a loser who’s easy to laugh at.
Now I’m absolutely convinced you’ve confused me with you.
Yeap, definitely.
Good sh*t though, keep it up ^^
Take those terrible comebacks back to reddit.
Na, thanks. But you’re welcome to?
Who the $uck upvoted you? did you upvote yourself?
Lol’d.
Its not “false marketing” when they clearly said they were leaving it up to devs. I’d like to see this list that “PB” is saying is mostly checkerboarding 4k. I havent heard anything about that.. If he is going by the games he saw at E3, yes some of them are dynamic but it has been noted many times that native 4k is more consistent than scaling downward.
I’m wondering why so many pc gamers are getting so mad….. Seriously tho, 90% of hate comments arent even from PS4 owners, they are from pc gamers. What are you worried about?
Underpowered sh*tboxes inevitably end up negatively affecting the PC platform in turn, as they have been doing for a decade, now. That’s what were angry & worried about, as per usual.
SO YOUR DAMN POINT. WHen it does come out on the PC the PC will be definitive edition just like all rockstar games that came out for the PC you imbecile. Have your Red Dead 2 for a year want a soda with that
Nope.
GTA 5 wasn’t coming to PC remember. LMAO.
*checkerboard 4k
Digital foundry said that both looks the same after 800% zoomCheck all hardware specs… Xbox is way faster than GTX 1070. For example memory:Xbox X – 12 GB GDDR5, 384-bit, 326 GB/sGTX 1070 – 8 GB GDDR5, only 256-bit, only 256 GB/sDo you really think that GTX 1070 with such slow memory can beat Xbox X? New Xbox One X have faster memory than GTX 1080 🙂
It can beat a XBX1 with a dual core CPU, it’s been proven and that memory bandwidth is usful for 4K, not 60FPS because XB1X1 CPU is weak.
That 12 GB is shared between GPU and CPU. The average PC gamer has 8 GB RAM and a GPU with 3 or 4 GB VRAM. Also if you take a look at the 1060 with the faster GDDR5X 9 Gbps VRAM and the 1080 with the faster 11 Gbps VRAM you will see that it didn’t make that much of a difference. MS and Sony have been pushing the faster RAM in consoles since 2013 as if it’s a huge advantage over PC.
Next year when Volta drops with even faster VRAM and you will see that your Shitbox One X is pitiful and then you will have to wait another 3 or 4 years for something from MS that is capable of 1080p and maybe 4K at that time. Games are only going to get more and more demanding and you can’t upgrade a Shitbox to cope with it like we can upgrade our PC.
SPectro new puppet?
Guys like Sp4ctr0 usually have many accounts to spread manure around the web for the gullible to absorb and regurgitate on their own. Usually a moderator that has access to member’s IP addresses can catch them and ban them but they just keep coming back. On TPU i saw some joker start over 30 new accounts within a couple of weeks until he got bored and quit. The moderator banned every one of them but he just wouldn’t quit being an annoying pest. Some people’s children!
People like you are the reason why consoles sell at all. Easy marks.
Anyways, thank goodness for that block button.
You need help
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Rubbish port just like FH3 which won’t work offline anymore, at least for many of it’s owner, solution in support forums ? banning people.
One thing i have to say is PC gamers sure do trigger when idiot console fanboys come on PC sites and say their console with a tablet CPU is better. haha
Console gamers have this insistent notion that somehow, older, derivative PC hardware can be more powerful than new PC hardware that consoles aren’t made with. Like saying that a son can be older than his father if he does enough push-ups.
I’m glad that consoles exist because they help some games get made that eventually go to PC that might not have been produced otherwise, but console gamers have to understand the limitations and restrictions they’re buying into. You can’t buy a Honda and think you’re getting a Mercedes. There’s only so much juice you can wring out of a small orange.
Why aren’t there any FPS racing games? A game where you could do drive-bys in slow-motion.
Trees looks strange in this game and even forza 1 trees looked more convincing but otherwise forza looks solid, much better than project cars 2. When it comes to benchmark results from this article, why there’s no 980ti results in 4K, just 580rx? My quess is 980ti was even slower, and maybe even diped below 60fps with msaa2. Something like that shows than xboX for just 500$ will offer really great performance, 4K max settings and 90 fps averege (without dips below 60 fps at all) looks really impressive.
The performance graph is usually – in other titles – on the GTX980Ti. Since in this title the GTX980Ti was underused at 1080p, there was no point measuring them on it. As said in the article, the GTX980Ti can run it with constant 60fps in 4K with 2XMSAA. Hell, there is even a video from the benchmark in this very article showing how the game runs on the GTX980Ti 😛
John, please include 980ti benchmark graph from 4K if that’s not a problem.
Even a GTX 1060 is enough to run the demo at 60fps 4k maxed with 2xMSAA…
And clearly, we can thank Turn 10 for the amazing job realized, having framerate drops with plenty of unused ressources, that’s so great /s
The game is screwed up, same performance not matter what resolution, GTX 1060 is getting between 40-60fps at 1440p and 4K LoL, same as my GTX 1070, 72fps 1080p, 72fps at 4K.
Clearly screwed up, we’ll see if PC gamers have to wait, once again, 8 months for the “optimization” patch
Microsoft has shared with Digital foundry internal benchmarks from few games, forza 7 included and DF was talking about these results in their articles. 90 fps looks very possible because forza on XboX holds 60fps without single frame drop at all, and if minimal fps is that high, then average fps must be obviously much higher
Lol no, it’ll be 60FPS with worse anti aliasing than PC
Thats’s speculation on their part, nothing more but it’s useless anyway because the game is locked to 60hz on console, while it’s not on PC. On 144hz monitor, 1070/1060/580 can take advatage of the higher frame rate and not be limited to 4K.
Just speculations? I think people from DF know’s what they are saying and because of that people trust their opinions. Of course when xboX will launch DF will write tech articles with even more detailed conclusions, but even now based on all xbox articles, and games running on xboX I get an idea how fast that console is, and the only GPU on PC marked that’s faster is 1080gtx and my card 1080ti. Do you really think turn10 had no idea what they were doing listing 1080gtx as a recommendation for 4K? 1070GTX and 980ti wasnt even enough to hold rock solid 60fps even in forza apex (45 fps dips), and forza 7 with turned off dynamic settings (max out settings regardless of performance) 1070GTX average is just 65 fps. Anyway I dont have 1070GTX anymore, I have sold it out and bought 1080ti and my current card will not have any performance problems in this game.
The game is a bullsh*t port anyway on PC, GTX 1070, 72FPS – 4K/Ultra/2xMSAA, 72FPS – 1080p/Ultra/2xMSAA, it’s a piece of rubbish PC gamers shouldn’t support.
Well, even in its current state performance is very good on PC (and it will be better), just compare forza 7 performance to Project Cars 2, this game runs twice as fast. But I really hoped forza 7 will look better. That Dubai track during E3 presentation looked superb, but back then I wasnt aware how trees looks in this game. John is absolutely right when it comes to trees in forza 7, trees looks really flat and to my eyes even trees in forza 4 looked better.
So the PC version with ultra and 4K and 2x MSAA can run on a mid range card like an RX580 and get 60FPS as a minimum. Xbox One X does not do better settings or AA than this.
Basically Xbox One X is equivalent to a mid range PC. RX580 is a mid range card. The PC version needs a bit more work but so does the Xbox One version, it also has problems.
Don’t be a jerk, Rise runs at an unstable 30 fps with dips down to 20. Not just 20 fps.
Im sh**ting x one x too but with MSAAX4 everithing ultra scale 100% :rx 480 strix gaming 2016 gpu 😀
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the only thing at 60 fps on x box is the race… menu, pre and post race cutscen forza vista and replays are 30!
“If you are so sure, then you should be able to find me YT video gameplay on 1060GTX running forza 7 4K with max settings (with no dynamic LOD settings at all) with MSAAx2 and without dips below 60 fps at all. I have already asked “commonsense” to show me gameplay video like that, be he couldnt find even one.”
There are no youtube videos of those exact settings and circumstances (yet), and that’s not my source for my estimation either. Let me elaborate:
According to benchmarks on computerbase, the 1060 outputs 55 FPS average and 50 fps minimum in Forza 7 on highest settings in 4K. But since they are running 8xMSAA the FPS is gonna be lower than the equivalent AA settings for the One X. If we look at the benchmarks from DSOG, the RX 580 gains 30 FPS average and 20 FPS minimum when going from 8xAA down to 2xAA. With those numbers in mind, we can calculate that the 1060 would output 55 + 30 FPS = 85 FPS average and 50 + 20 FPS = 70 FPS minimum. Of course, it’s just an estimation but it’s a pretty solid estimation which clearly points out that the 1060 would output over 60 FPS minimum.
“When it comes to my estimations about xboX GPU (1080GTX performance level), it all started with leaks about xboX. One guy who worked on XboX games shared some very interesting things, that that microsoft have build console with amazing architecture, that takes 6.2 tflops to the next level because of the ultra efficient way that console handles GPU resources. In that leak it was mentioned, that xboX GPU because of it’s architecture it’s on pair with 1080GTX performance wise and they have concluded that based on internal tests. Back then it was only a leak, but the thing is, that guy have explained xboX architecture very well before even xboX was officially presented, so he know something from real legit source for sure Later on digital foundry presented their impression in forza 6, and based on my experience with 1070GTX (I had this card before 1080ti) I know, that xboX GPU was faster, because my 1070GTX was dipping to 50-52 fps in the same scenario that digital foundry have used on that screesnhot with GPU usage. Right now there are many games on xboX with native 4K, and for me it’s hard to belive, 1060GTX (gimped 980GTX) is powerful enough to deliver comparable experience.”
You gonna have to provide a source for that “leak about xbox” where he mention the GPU is on par with GTX 1080, otherwise it’s just gonna be rumors and speculations.
Secondly, I don’t know what system you have, or what the current state of your OS was when you did those test, or what kind of build that was used for that screenshot, but if a 1060 can achieve 85 FPS average with the same settings, capping it to 60 would leave the same amount of GPU usage and headroom.
Thirdly, there aren’t that many triple-A titles running native 4K (at all times) be honest, and many of them are using a dynamic resolution or checkerboard solution. Most “4K Native titles” are just old enhanced games or light-hardware demanding non-AAA/indie titles.
“Speaking about titanfall 2, I have found out DKo5 post on neogaf few minutes ago…”
“but if that console reach even 5760×3240 during intensive action”
Not gonna happen buddy.
“even 1080ti can (I assume you meant can’t) hold 60fps in this game max settings every time”
Wrong, on stock clocks it runs at 59 FPS minimum and with OC it would never run under 60 FPS, proof: techspot-static-xjzaqowzxaoif5.stackpathdns(.)com/articles-info/1352/bench/Titanfall_4K.png
Stop making things up please. Do some research before you claim stuff.
“But anyway, XboX will launch soon, and Digital Foundy team in their articles and tech videos should tell us precisely what GPU on PC can rival xboX. We will see how titanfall 2 compares on xboX, so just wait.”
Digital Foundry can only estimate what graphics settings are being used in different titles, as they can only analyze gameplay and don’t get to know the exact settings being used, only the devs knows for sure. So a fair 1 to 1 comparison isn’t possible. They said that the One X version will run at similar to PS4 Pro settings, and we don’t know exactly what that is.
“Before I bought PS4 pro, I thought nothing can top rise of the tomb raider running on my PC, but Uncharted 4 is on another level. There are UE4 tech demos on PC, that looks comparable and even better, but no real game on PC can rival Uncharted 4, the order, until dawn, horizon, or even drive club.”
Character models are the only thing that is really impressive with Uncharted 4, everything else has been done as good or better in other games on PC, for example: Crysis franchise, Everybody’s gone to the rapture, Battlefield 1, Ryse Son of Rome, The Division. Uncharted is a rare example where a console game achieves PC visuals, most console games doesn’t look nearly as good. Naughty Dog are really talented developers and they are true magicians to squeeze so much visuals out of the Playstation. However, it doesn’t come without cut-backs, there’s lot’s of cut-backs if you take a closer look at the graphics.
For The Order, I’ve already watched gameplay of that and there are cut-backs in the graphics everywhere. Those far away sceneries are just low-res assets hidden in post-processing and there’s no advanced graphical techniques being used and most exists of old technology. Again character models are what stands out in that game. Much of the games ugliness are hidden in overdone post-processing effects. It’s also extremely linear.
“until dawn, horizon, or even drive club”
Nah, not really. Horizon does look pretty good. But you look closely there’s cut-backs, like no HBAO, and low draw distance. It’s really character models and cut-scenes that stands out. The rest of the graphics has already been done in later Far Cry games and modded Skyrim. Drive Club? are you kidding me? Sure volumetric effects and weather effects look nice, but the rest is nothing special, PC2 and Forza 7 does several things better visually, plus 4K/60 FPS support, not sh*tty 1080p/30 FPS.
Although, all these cut-backs I’m talking about aren’t really too noticeable because of the viewing range these games are being watched from in most cases. You can’t really see the details, bad draw-distance, low-res textures etc so good when sitting far away from the TV, so that’s another things with console visuals, it’s not the same “IN YOUR FACE” like it is on PC.
“but realistically speaking sony will NEVER EVER allow that to happen. On PC, 99% of AAA games are multiplatform games build with console limited hardware in mind, and the best games on consoles (with the best graphics) are still console exclusives.”
Yeah, well there’s also emulators, but it will take time, and lot’s of it, before we are able to play the exclusives with good performance, but the progress of the emulators are quite good I have to say. Yeah you nailed that one, I agree with you. When I think about it, if it wasn’t for consoles, then developers like Crytek (How Crytek was back in 2004-2007) would be seen everywhere and we would have PC games that looked much better than most titles today. Just imagine Naughty Dogs making PC versions of Uncharted and The Last Of Us without any limits what so ever and letting their engine extend to its fullest, man those graphics would really be something else. I mean its already impressive what they achieved with the PS.
“Watch battlefront 2 game play on the best PC, and you will see smilar thing. I play games on my PC with maxed out settings, and trades off are in every game”
Don’t know what you saw, but I saw beautiful graphics and advanced engine features and I didn’t notice those problems I mentioned for The Order when I maxed out every setting. I didn’t see advanced engine features of modern standards in The Order. Also, you can’t compare a large scale multiplayer beta thrown together in a rather short time, with a small and linear game developed with lots of love and careful crafting that the devs spent years making. Totally different conditions and art-styles to begin with. From a technical standpoint though, latest version of Frostbite is miles ahead of the outdated in-house engine used in The Order. In conclusion, yes, there are some cut-backs in modern AAA games, but not as severe as in The Order, at least not on the PC version.
“When DKo5 have wrote, that xbox dynamic resolution can drop below 4K you agree with him, but when the same person also mention (in the same post), that xboX can render 6K resolution even during intensive shoothing, now you say it’s not gonna happen :)”
Once again you show that you’re bad at interpreting things. I didn’t say that the Shitbox X can’t render above 4K. I said that it won’t do that “during intensive action”
“Here you have Titanfall 2 video”
That guy seem to run old drivers and/or has a weak CPU. He doesn’t tell what drivers or what CPU he has, so it’s most likely not in favor of the game, or the 1080ti. You’re gonna have to provide a more valid source than that buddy. Besides, I’ve already showed you valid benchmarks AND, just recently, a video showing 8 minutes of gameplay without it dropping under 60 FPS.
“So it looks like you are the one, who should do better research before you post stuff. If dynamic resolution would work in PC version like on xboX, resolution would drop even on 1080ti, but of course for 99% of time that card can keep solid 60fps and even go as high as 110fps.”
I do better research than you, I provide valid benchmarks and videos, while you post some random asian guy playing Titanfall 2 with his 1080Ti yet we don’t know what drivers or what the rest of his hardware is. That’s not a good source and definitely not a valid point.
There is a dynamic resolution option for PC (once again you show that you can’t do proper research before you talk). And the funny thing is, running the 1070 at maxed settings with it ON, it would make the framerate never go below 60 as well as staying at 4K at 99% of the time, while on Shitbox X, it will fluctuate up and down at PS4 Pro settings… laughable.
“When it comes to ps4 exclusives, I also wasnt so impressed after watching blurry yt videos, so I consider your opinion meaningless without seeing these games for real. I know how these games looks on my ps4pro and screenshots from previous posts shows insane amount of details everywhere, not just on characters. Even on my PC with 1080ti there are no games with graphics fidelity like ps4 exclusives have, only tech demos shows something similar. Of course ps4pro cant rival my PC when it comes to performance, and I can always run games in native 4K without any checkerboardgimmicks, but this is cheap console, and most people cant even run games in native 4K anyway.”
Ok, I checked some gameplay of Battlefront 2, you’re right there are vegetation pop-ins. But other than that I don’t see much of cut-backs in the graphics. All other aspects in that game looks better than The Order, textures, lighting, models, shadows, reflections. BF2 uses physically based rendering and other modern techniques that The Order doesn’t use. Plus, the game is on a totally different scale so that makes it even more impressive. For you information, I watched The Order gameplay on the PS4 Pro in 4K, which provides much much less compression compared to 1080p or even 1440p. So there was no bad compression in the gameplay footage I watched.
“no games with graphics fidelity like ps4 exclusives have”
You’re semi-right, most games doesn’t come up the the graphical fidelity of some ps4 exclusives. But a few does which I listed in my previous post. Another thing that PC games can do, that consoles can’t, is to run 4K (i know, some games do, but many AAA titles can’t so they use lower settings and/or checkerboard etc) or higher resolution as well as high levels of supersampling in conjunction with maxed out settings, tweaked .ini’s and mods, to achieve a big step up in visual fidelity. Heck you can even make 10 year old games look bloody brilliant with downsampling and/or supersampling. I run Crysis 1 in 4K with 4x Sparse Grid SuperSampling, some graphics mods and tweaked .ini file and it looks bloody fantastic.
“But I just wonder what you will do, when my predictions will come true after all, an better card will be needed? :)”
What I will do? IF, well then I would be happy, since it would mean that multi-platform titles are gonna get better visuals, since we all know that most devs develop games for the consoles firsthand. Ironic and sad at the same time, but that’s how reality is for the most part in todays gaming industry.
No, benchmark charts rarely represents real performance in games, at best they represents how game runs in one particular area. For example guru3d benchmark chart in gta 5 shows that my asus strix 1080ti averages 82fps in 4K. Now someone like you may think, that this game runs grat on 1080ti on that resolution, but there are other areas in this game, that will drop to 40fps (for example areas with grass). So only person who really have that partucular card can say how game runs for real.
There are some great yt channels like “duderandom84”, or “artis”, that shows performance during normal gameplay but also performance from demanding areas and I prefer to watch videos like that rather then blindly trust benchmark charts.
Yeh, but it gives an estimation of the performance. Then if the devs are bad at level optimization isn’t the fault of ones system. My point still stands, the 1080ti when overclocked runs Titanfall 2 maxed out in 4K just fine most of the time, and that’s the important part. Even IF it drops 10 frames you won’t really notice it, and if you really want you can assure 60 FPS with the dynamic resolution option on PC. The argument here is that you’re claiming that Shitbox X performs like a 1070 or even the 1080, which evidently isn’t true at all. But let’s take that discussion in the other section a bit further up where we already have a discussion about that going on.
You might think that there are no PC games that can match the visuals in Uncharted 4, but truth is, there are several games that does, in different areas of the visuals, but perhaps you haven’t been made aware of that, perhaps wrong setup of settings and/or wrong hardware. With that being said, Uncharted is still a very impressive looking game, but it’s not next-gen PC ultra graphics that I’ve seen in some titles and in some examples of modern game engines as it has too many graphical draw-backs and cut-downs, much more so than in modern PC games when their settings are cranked up. In Crysis 3 for example, you can adjust the CVAR’s and .ini files to completely remove object/vegetation pop-ins and you can tweak the draw distance of objects and shadows as far as you want, this is something that can’t be done on consoles. It’s just that developers doesn’t utilize the power of PC hardware and thus not pushing visual fidelity. Tech demos and graphics engine presentations are good evidence of that.
Again, the characters and the cut-scenes are really what stands out in Uncharted, also the small indoor locations are carefully crafted, you don’t really see that in PC games unfortunately, but you can get a glimpse of it in tech demos and architecture virtualization presentations on some engines. Just want to point out that there are PC games with amazing character design as well, easily on par with U4:
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PC:
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Oh and I like how you completely ignores there parts where I prove you wrong. It’s always like this with retards like you, defends themselves hopelessly with assumptions and made up claims with little or no research done, until they don’t have anything left to fuel their arguments with then eventually they respond/reflect less and less to the parts where I invalidate their claims. Until they just bail out of the discussion with nothing more to give. I’ve seen that countless of times and you seem to be the same. Just admit that you were wrong in the places where you were wrong buddy, it’s not that hard.
So far you hevent proven anything to me, but instead you have ignored facts with ABSURD explanations, and I dont have a time to correct so many things. Even if I would show you titanfall 2 diping on my PC with 1080ti you would still trust benchmark charts that supports your limited perspectice. And you have limited perspective indeed, because you can only “play” console games on yt videos and you arguing with someone who have played these games for real. On top of that you dont even know how cards like 1070gtx and 1080ti performs during real gameplay, and that tells me that you even cant afford a good PC. You have even ignored my question in regards to your GPU, because let me quess…. you dont want me to know that you have something muuuuuuch cheaper than me. But at least I know why you act so silly, you are just a poor guy who cant afford anything besides cheap PC, and you feel better posting absurd comments n regards to consoles. Man when you get a life, earn some real money, and buy yourself some good PC and finally play console games on real hardware instead of YT videos, then I will find a time to discuss with you, but until then I will just ignore you :).
Since you’re ignoring the above conversation I’ll just go ahead and repost it here. Still waiting for a response:
“1070gtx doesnt run rise of tombraider at 1440p with solid 60fps maxed out.”
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Yeah, so what if the framerate drops a bit in geothermal valley, it just shows that the developers are bad at level optimization. Besides, Suckbox One X also drops framerate in that level.
“As I can see Oscar, you have no idea how games runs not only on 1080ti, but also on 1070gtx.”
Seems like I’m the one providing links to benchmarks and proving YOU wrong 🙂 Time and time again. I wonder which one of us who doesn’t have any idea… You’re just yappin’ and I’m providing benchmark numbers… Go figure lol.
“If you are so sure that xboX has 580rx, you should explain why xbox use vega architecture features, while 580rx on PC is pascal architecture? It’s not the same card obviously”
I never claimed there’s a RX 580 that sits inside the Dickbox X, I claimed that its GPU is similar to the RX 580 PERFORMANCE WISE… You seem to have some problems to interpret things, especially written sentences.
Now, you still haven’t explained to me why Shitbox X runs Titanfall 2 on PS4 Pro level settings, when a 1070 runs it maxed out with 60 FPS average. If we say the Shitbox X could run it maxed out with 60 fps average, its dynamic resolution would make it stay at 60 fps, but the graphical settings would still be maxed out. But that’s not the case so…. Explain please!
You also didn’t explain why the Crapbox X only manages 30 FPS in its Enriched mode and why the settings are dialed back to PS4 Pro settings in its Native mode. When clearly a 1070 can do 60 fps in with Enriched settings, and also maintain maxed settings in 4K native at over 30 FPS. Explain lol!
You have a lot of explanation to do buddy, otherwise you will just look like a fool.
You just keep on ignoring vital parts of our conversation, don’t do that lol, or you’ll look like a ret*rd.
Anyway:
I didn’t prove anything? I provided lots of benchmarks to prove my point. And it’s a fairly good estimation of the real world performance. I’ve also proved how there are cut-backs in visuals compared to PC max settings on the Box X in order to keep performance up, which isn’t necessary on a 1070. I’ve also showed how the average framerate is DOUBLE that of the locked 30 of the Box X in ROTTR.
I’ve also provided YT videos of 1080Ti running 4K maxed out just fine. And you’re mentioning that there CAN be framedrops, well of course, that can happen in any game under the right circumstances, but that’s perfectly normal. Our discussion is regarding how the normalized performance in a broader perspective looks like on the Box X vs the 1070 and NOT about whether there is 5-10 FPS missing here or there or whether there are occasions where there are larger framerate dips in different games, as I said before it has nothing to do with the hardware, it’s about developers bad level optimizations and it has nothing to do with the topic of this discussion. Get a grip kid.
And you still have not answered my question regarding the Box X and Titanfall 2 and ROTTR. I don’t care if I don’t own a console or a 1080Ti, I don’t need that to see how they look on a freaking TV or how the 1080Ti performs, there’s lot’s of evidence around elsewhere. I told you what GPU I have many many times on this site in the comment section, I also told you directly in a conversation we had previously, but you seem to have a messed up memory so let me remind you. I have the 980Ti, and it doesn’t matter if it’s a weaker GPU than yours. I invest my money in other hobbies than just gaming FYI. I already max out all games that I play and I will wait for Volta before I upgrade again.
“and you feel better posting absurd comments n regards to consoles”
There’s nothing absurd about my comments, I’m just providing you with valid arguments on how the performance of the new Xbox is. You however completely IGNORES to respond or reflect to when I drag proof in your face. Pathetically enough you just keep ignoring it. It looks like you’re too proud to admit that your BS was false. You’re like a little child, caught with the hand in the candy jar.
“play console games on real hardware instead of YT videos”
I’m not interested in console exclusives, I primarily play multiplayer games on PC anyway.
You can play your precious The Order and Uncharted as much as you want, but those games will never come close to current PC’s in many aspects of the graphics, ESPECIALLY in the lighting department. Here’s two examples:
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You can play your exclusive with old-tech and flat lighting and cut-backs in visuals are your LOW-RES/LOW FPS BS as much as you please. The only thing your exclusives has it nice character models 50% cut-scenes, linear level design and nice art style. I don’t care for them so go ahead.
BTW, I’m still waiting for your response regarding ROTTR and TF2 on Shitbox X. Let me guess, you’re gonna keep ignoring it? So predictable for a person like you.
Deary me! Xbone X was always destined to be another crushing disappointment from Microsoft but it’s evidently even worse that most people were anticipating. Laughable.
Hey man, Bungie NEVER came out and said Xb1X could not do 60fps. They came out and said it could not be done on PS4 pro, PS4 or Xb1. They weren’t even talking about the X yet but because of the garbage marketing rights Sony has. Plus I believe Destiny 2 was made on Dx11
Notice this dumbass always has 2-3 upvotes. He upvotes himself because no one in thier right mind is agreeing with everything he is saying. He seems bent that the X will probably school his gaming pc..
I confirm that FMS 7 has many errors is the most expensive beta sold, on PC there is a need for a miracle to run it (license problem), crashes to the desktop, in each Forzathron there are errors eg. That does not count tasks etc. I will add that since the launch a few months have passed .