Since real-time ray tracing is the hottest thing these days, some PC gamers wanted to know whether ths highly anticipated space opera game, Star Citizen, will support it. And while we don’t have any confirmation yet, Cloud Imperium’s Ben Parry has shared his thoughts regarding this new tech.
As Parry said when asked about RTX, he expects that if Cloud Imperium uses it, it’ll be a massive headache and time-sink but might give them some subtle improvements in looks or performance if they get it right.
When asked for clarification as real-time ray tracing is said to be easy to implement and could actually make the life of game designers/graphics artists easier, Parry said:
“It’s more likely to be a case of “We’ve got a test-bed scene for a ray-based environment lighting technique, it works for one type of light so far, here’s a list of things you can no longer safely have in a room without it breaking, with rough probabilities of how likely we are to work out a solution”
The added headache is that whatever we offered would have to be an “as well” feature rather than an “instead”, developing a feature for a single manufacturer’s top-end cards means also maintaining feature parity for everyone else’s hardware.”
Parry then expanded on what he meant with “as well”.
“Sorry yes, I should have been clearer. By “as well” I meant we’d have to maintain support for two modes:
1) A mode that uses raytracing (though probably not exclusively) in some way to get its results
2) A mode that doesn’t use raytracing, but can achieve a similar look without changing the art assets or lighting setup.As an example, when we ported over the voxel fog, we intended for it to be an “as well” feature because it’s expensive to run, but eventually ran with it as an “instead” feature because it interprets the fog parameters totally differently, and drastically changes what does/doesn’t work in terms of light placement.”
Parry admitted that he’d love to use real-time ray tracing in order to enhance the game’s shadows. Parry also admitted that real-time ray tracing is currently – and for the foreseeable future – the only technique via which game developers can offer correct reflections in their games, however that’s also something that will need additional workload.
“The “headache” part is writing all the management code that will be needed, eg. to calculate lighting/shadowing on objects that aren’t on screen.”
In conclusion, Parry admits that real-time ray tracing is an exciting new tech and that he’d love to experiment with it, however it will bring additional headache to the team, and right now Cloud Imperium has other high priority tasks on the roadmap.
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They really don’t need to do that. They gotta focus on finishing what’s already on the table and give us that game.
what do you expect from a scam?
What scam are you reffering to?
Oh my someone still didn’t realize star citizen is a scam lol
LOL, Dumbos like you still say this?
they are in the denial stage
Sure… and denial comes right a year and half before SQ42 Beta in Q2 2020 🙂
So where’s the beta?
And you’re telling me I should trust you?
@napoleonic sp007rz and his brother in lie @Dzunner are the remaining naysayer/troll following a known hater blog who prophesied “collapse 90 days top for sure!””… 5 years ago.
The same hater writing: “because once Crytek file their incoming and inevitable injunction against this vaporware travesty”… a case Crytek have been dismissed three times in a row and decided to let die to avoid penalties from CIG…
We are now at a year and half of Beta… and they can’t stop a +800.000 Backers community with hate.
Hater hate. Backers build the game they wan’t to play. Human behavior as its best 🙂
Funny, he was onboard with Star Citizen 3 years ago, even though CIG delivered on what he wanted and largely expanded it since. Funny how he’s calling it a scam now.
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More like free markets at it’s best. 🙂
SC, and if you can’t see it’s a scam, my brother is a Nigerian price and we’ve chosen you to honor our country with your credit card. Just PM the details my brodah.
> “my brother is a Nigerian price”
> Hates bad writers
?
Yawn. I’m not writer. I’m a boxer with a handful of concussions, and a Huwei phone with autocorrect so bad it makes Apple jealous.
Yikes. It’s almost like you yourself can’t read and just filled in the gaps to fit your narrative. Yawn.
Yeah, we’ve been playing this make believe Vapourware game called Star Citizen 3.4.3.
“playing” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
CommonSense. Sure. Absolutely hilarious.
Playing a game in Alpha does not means bug free released & polished game… Turn it in whatever direction you want, it is still playing knowing everybody is aware of project evolution, including free weekend or even week several times per year.
Yeah playing, seems to me you’re in total denial, there is more things to do in SC now than Elite Dangerous base game. You can actually buy some vehicles and ships in the game and earn money from missions, mining, trading, bounties.
… You have an even faster option: Buy Fallout 76 from a well established publisher who did released a re-skinned version of previous game at a precise release date… LoL
“Look at me everyone I can name a worse game and somehow mine isn’t a scam anymore!”
Fallout 76 sh**ting it’s pants doesn’t make everyone else immune to sh**ty said pants. You, however, just won’t change yours and ignore the smell.
Who said otherwise@hates? Saying as you did that Fallout 76 is crap does not make SC a scam.
You however won’t change yours and keep throwing scam despite being the worst scam ever.
Those +700.000 damned Backers, all wrong, and growing more everyday… How can’t they smell it while a handful of haters are saying otherwise?
We know the answer 🙂
You’ve been fed a release date every year for 4 years. Get over it, re**rd.
Go play released games, there are plenty on Steam… none is even close to SC Alpha and won’t remotely approach SQ42 but you don’t have to hate something you don’t even care.
We Backers are taking care and project is going fine and closer from release: a year and half… not never 🙂
Year and a half LMAO. SO…….where’s it?
https://youtu.be/33ue0lzVnys
that scam lol.
Speaking of actual scams, games we never got.
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Add The Witcher 3 (either circa 2013 VGX or E3 2014 builds) to the list.
Yeah, games like Fallout 76, Atlas sure are and those E3 demos that never look like the final product that people preorder. Also, money for Star Citizen isn’t for profit and you don’t get screens in the game taking you to the store for microtransations or $20 for a skin.
They’re focusing on the game, this is one guys opinion.
Precisely what Parry ‘s said: “… right now Cloud Imperium has other high priority tasks on the roadmap
Can’t expect people to read, they just go off on their tangent.
No problem @Common Sense… I behave on internet like I behave IRL: Never leave free speech space to hater or uneducated… Especially on such tangible project.
They are more embarrassed every quarter and it shows.
I wait eagerly their gesticulation after Beta release. That is part of entertainment 🙂
never seen such a defensive crowd of fanboys…get some other hobbies
It is proportionate to the level of garbage some are throwing… very visible in this article comment section with several not even reading article and jumping to conclusion which have nothing to do with reality.
May be you satisfy yourself of fake and lies… I don’t. Also I have plenty of time, such section takes a fraction of mine while I am doing my job on another laptop.
Been a backer since 2012 and their priorities are laughable sometimes.
Like that facial motion tech cmon…
FOIP was a Strech Goal. That is fun how some complain about no Stretch Goal, complain when they stop… complain when they are delivered 🙂
Whatever you do, someone won’t be happy.
The best part is that FOIP cost zero development as coded was done outside.
FOIP is like any MMO features or jobs. Don’t like it? don’t use it.
So the outside company personally implemented the feature and did it for free ?
It’s a partnership with Faceware Technologies
Okay so thereis no cost at all for CIG?
I don’t know, but maybe they implemented it in SC to promote the tech and not pay the licence fee, that’s usually how a partnership can work.
For free? Why do you work for free? FOIP code are injected in game engine. It takes a few days and impact of SC overall development is negligible while adding a very welcome feature… and promised stretch goal.
Then this is why many have hate towards the development of this game. Granted it is a strech goal but a useless one when you compare it more critical features. I personnally do not HATE the feature but i feel that every 1$ spent on this should’ve gone somewhere else where 100% of the user base would benefit from it. Don’t you think?
No I don’t think so as precisely such project allow to get what other Publishers won’t care to deliver.
If there is one feature which have zero impact on game development it is precisely FOIP.
I got you don’t hate, fine because hater never reach any goals.
Well then we have different point of views. I’m going to leave at that since this is going nowhere but i’m glad this didn’t come down to « you’re a f*g whatever low iq bsh*t nonsense ».
Happy to see people debating points without resorting to namecalling.
Cheers.
FOIP is worth it, you’ll see. It takes time for something like that to reach it’s potential and I’m glad they implemented it because now both CIG and Faceware can improve it.
It’s worth it specifically because CIG have a very detailed face rig capable of some great emotions. If FOIP gets to a point where you can really leverage that, it’s going to be awesome. Not to mention the rendering in the game is gorgeous. Future updates to lighting an Subsurface Scattering as well as Character tech will really shine with FOIP.
Please cloud team continue focusing on star citizen and squadron 42 the hell with Nvidia slow down performance ray tracing no thank you. Nvigreeed
Maybe just actually release your game before talking down on tech that’s obviously out after the initial developmental process of your game.
Maybe just maybe….this game will actually get finished. Would be the biggest slap in the face of their backers to have this one end up in the trash can.
May be you should read that Parry did said they won’t implement Ray tracing for now. If you are not interested by devs talking about gaming development at large… why even bother clicking on title, not read article but throw conclusion which are at opposite direction of dev wording?
Nobody wanted to worry about yet another feature to creep on a game that will likely never come out. They’ll be torn apart for fraud by the time the game is even half done.
At least Star Citizen doesn’t have downgrades and actually improves them instead of selling preorders off fake E3 footage.
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how would you know ?
again IT IS NOT OUT YET
all could change
No because what we’re playing now it’s real not a vertical slice, which clearly you don’t understand.
that’s alpha build
NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FINAL PRODUCT
LITERALLY
You are special kind of stupid aren’t you ? THE ALPHA now looks better than many released games.
and there is still changes added or removed like the engine change that happened before it may look better amd there is a slight chance they might F it up
K? It still doesn’t run and has no foreseeable launch. F*ing mark.
Launch will come soon after when server meshing and then persistence are done.
Sure… collapse 90 days top! 🙂
But my preferred are “Mafia laundering” together with “FTC will have a look”
Keep coming.
Right………
Do people seriously not read articles before they comment? He praised the tech, but said that it would involve too much work since they would have to make sure each scene works both with ray tracing and without it.
I read it…..
How about you just finish a game so we don’t get a 5th release window for it, con artist.
Scam citizen
Internet Troll
There are 2 kind of ppl
1 who like Scam citizen cuz its a “good” “game”
2 troll.
Sorry to have a different opinion in 2019 abou someting you spend hundreds of dollard
You are the kind of individual who call scam an opinion… and rely on their scam theory based on some hater blog spreading lies and obfuscation, fake refund, proven false theories since 5 years.
Your words: “Its not a game and it never will be one
Repeating a lie endlessly will never make it to become truth… never 🙂
… Beta is coming, not in 10 years or never but in 6 quarters.
This project has been the worst scam ever since beginning… Too bad, scam is not even an acronym of Beta.
Good luck IRL with such deep analysis mind 🙂
“You are the kind of individual who call scam an opinion”
Oh sorry i forgot i cant do that
“and rely on their scam theory based on some hater blog spreading lies and obfuscation, fake refund, proven false theories since 5 years”
Oh sorry i forgot its only 5years.. I guess i can only call this “game” a scam after 10 years …
“Beta is coming” yeah 20xx maybe…..
If the game is good i buy it.
For now its a pile of lies and scam alpha 3.4.5.7.8.69 and 10000$ concept art . …..
@BFG may be your misunderstanding comes from the fact it is not a game as per normal definition of a finished game but a project in development, currently in Alpha status and with a Beta planned in a year and half?
* Yes it takes many years to make Triple-A… starting from scratch which is the very case of SC + SQ42.
“Beyond Good and Evil 2” from UBI is still not out after + 9 years…
Crowdfunding project are not for everyone. If you feel uncomfortable to join in early Alpha, no problem. Do when the project is in a state you would like to join. beta, release, a year after… your call.
But that don’t make a project you do not want to join a scam even if it is your opinion.
your conception of how long games take to make is baffling
if it takes that long then the game industry would have died long ago
Final Fantasy 15 took 12 years to come to PC, 10 years for the console version and that was by a developer that had studios and employees.
no there was delays layoffs and production freeze
it wasn’t in active development for 12 years
Probably because you have no clue about what is required to make two Triple-A starting from scratch versus Publishers starting a project with thousands of devs, uptodate pipelines and Billions $ or revenues?
i guess we will agree to disagree
no hard feelings
“with a Beta planned in a year and half?”
Ah ok…..so it wont be 3.4 alpha but 3.5 beta and apart from tge name what will change ?
Still 8+ years until its close to 1.0 IF we are lucky
“Beyond Good and Evil 2″ from UBI is still not out after + 9 years..”
Ubipoop know sh.t about making games.. They main AAAtitles are CTRL-C AND CTRL-V like far cry primal or new down or the crew or divison…… With Beyond Good and Evil 2 they are trying something new and they have no idea what to do …….
.Crowdfunding project are not for everyone.
Yeah you are right…. I wish there would be a crowd funded space game with god flight model in game npc factions wars and pirating and alliens and moon rovers and ….. from 2012 what coud be alredy released for years without selling 10000$ for promises … Oh wait … A game like this exsist …. You know its name?? Cuz i do
3.5 is still Alpha and Beta means polishing before release, not developing new features for another 3 years.
Ubisoft is very successful. They don’t’ know how to make games, sure this is why people are throwing them the first year in 2005 (532M$) and 2018 (1731M$)…
You can dislike Assassin’s Creed’s, Far Cyr’s but they are buy by 10 millions copies over years.
They perfectly know how to make game and with “Beyond Good and Evil 2” they just want to maximize profit while adding some new tech like Space to planet. CIG did it already since 2 years and have planet which are 1/6th of real planet.
Lats but not least, starter package cost 35/45$ not 10 thousand. Pay a bit attention to real number versus game pledges and you will realize that Orgs do have already from thousands to +10 thousand members. 10K$ fleet cost then a few $ per head…
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Yep this looks like a game finished game …
not developing new features . ..
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The most higly ranked game is chaos theory from 2005 … They make money nit good games … .
“Lats but not least, starter package cost 35/45$ not 10 thousand”
Ah ok .. So its pay to win…….
Whar will stop me from camping the start zone with the biggest ship with automated turrets and spaw killing anything that moves
I have a hard time to get if you are a pure troll or not understanding basics? In both case that does not excuse to not educate yourself.
The picture 3.8 just demonstrate you still don’t get what and Alpha and Beta is.
3.8 is Alpha. Beta is planned in Q2 2020 and there is no roadmap version yet.
Also pretending starter package at 35/45$ is pay to win… lol… all space game do have a starter something.
So the game is like 40% done it will be calld beta not alpha. .. Witch change nothing .. ..
Pay to win is buying a 10000 ship .. ..
Keep losing the point of nobody buying 10K$ fleet for themselves but Orgs… (by the way there is no 10K ship)
Ok than a 2500$ ship .
+also there is a 27000$ pack whitch cost as mutch as apartman…..
Or a good new car …
As you perfectly know @bfg (but I repeat it for genuine Readers passing by), the 27K package was created by CIG on demand of One Org leader.
Which again make the cost just a few $ per head for thousands members Org… not a car per head. Math do not lie.
Oh ok . So i guess the game is good
K
BGE2 wasn’t a thing 10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago.
And why are you looking to other games? Maybe you should also bring Duke Nukem Forever to defence?
Beta is coming in 6 quarters? Like Squadron 42 came out in 2014?
Glad it didn’t because we wouldn’t be getting the better vision we have now. Go back and look at the videos, CIG would not have the superior tech they have now and do the amazing things we can do now.
they had the cryengine buddy
now they will make it always online the worst DRM on planet earth
have fun
Go learn something first before commenting.
he said the reason for changing to amazon’s engine was for the online integration and that’s where their focus is
you learn about Chris statements then talk
We know you are Joe, no need to remind us about your title all the time!
@Cloverfield the guy who never miss an opportunity to make a good pair with one or the other of the worst remaining naysayer/troll around 🙂
That say a lot about you.
Not sure why you keep talking about yourself, we all know you already!
We know you are Joe, no need to remind us about your title all the time!
Star citizen coming 2028
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just keep putting out those ships so the suckers can keep buying them….forever alpha……lmao.
Smart move on Cloud Imperium’s part, as this Ray tracing tech is new-ish, better to let it mature more before implementation, just as they did with the VR craze.
Having to do a mode using ray tracing just sounds like another massive delay. I don’t even care about ray tracing right now on this game. I just want Squadron 42 without more delays.
Edit: I just checked their website and they’ve taken in almost 218 million dollars in funding.
Yeah we’ll have to see.
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… re-read article if you can get out of your automatic negative mood.
Parry did said Ray tracing won’t be implemented in roadmap.
Well, good. When is the time frame for the release?
Just head to @Common Sense links below.
SQ42 Beta is Q2 2020 (a year and half) and SC do share all assets with SQ42.
Number of people supporting this project from Nov. 2012 did grow up from thousands to an estimated number of +800.000 individual… despite more “Drama” than any others games around. Each one being the sure end of the project 🙂
Culmination was 2018, the same scam preachers around served us that 2018 would be the worst pledges amount of past years and Citizencon will be cancelled.
>> Result: Best pledges ever and a Citizencon with +2000 attendees, more than past years.
Project is doing very well. 2020 will see SQ42 release (assuming Beta does start in Q2) and SC will get attention of all CIG teams focusing on it.
New backers do join the project quarter after quarter because each patch bring more substance, enough to have fun and support a project no Publishers will ever attempt to release because they don’t care about gamers but quick profit only.
Don’t like Crowdfunded? No problem. Join at Beta, release or when the project add what you would like to play alone or with friends.
Meanwhile Elite Dangerous charges their users for a season pass for planet landings.
at least they are not withholding refunds
Paying for planet landings though, plus the planets look like potatoes compared to Star Citizen.
Just going to share my screenshots while we’re on the topic of Star Citizen.
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Their atmospherics and lighting on planets look real. Many other things need improvement but they are being worked on.
Game just keeps getting better and better looking.
Yeah the moons look great and so does the planet Hurston.
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that is not a high fidelity resolution
what the F are they doing there and what is keeping them this long
Get your eyes checked, some of the shots are 4K resolution
You need to see a doctor your eyes are not okay.
andromeda looked better
200000000$ for screenshot maker
GG scam citizen
BFG the resident troll anti-SC and his doom prophecies… proven wrong 6 years in a row 🙂
proven wrong 6 years in a row 🙂
Are you sure??
https://youtu.be/33ue0lzVnys
The truth… seen from naysayers eyes who don’t have a clue about game development, Finance and most important, scope change approved via pool and massive pledges of +30M$ every single year.
The truth is that haters told everybody it was going to collapse for sure every quarters during past 5 years… but 2018 was the best year of pledges ever!… plus two distinct roadmaps including Beta in a year and half… you know the scam that will never be delivered.. for sure! Lol
I’m honestly glad they aren’t wasting time implementing a feature barely anyone except the highest end gamers can use.
They have enough on their plate as it is
@ people who still think (or enjoy thinking it, for some unknown reason) that “StarCitizen=Scam” and come here to post the usual rhetoric, I have some bad news for you.
On the 20th of December last year CIG released a full Financial Report that covers all costs between 2012-2017. It’s a lengthy and very well detailed report on all their expenditures. The report has been analyzed by quite a few gaming/tech news outlets and the unanimous conclusion is that CIG financials are actually pretty stunning and the business model appears to be quite robust.
For the very first time also, last year $46 million were poured in by a well known external investor.
So basically, as of December 2018 any potential claim that Star Citizen is mismanaging funds, running a fraudulent scheme or are in the business of duping unsuspecting customers, can now be disregarded as pure and utterly well fabricated H O R S E S H I T.
For those of you who are really interested in the numbers and their explanation, I would kindly invite you to take a look at one of the more in depth assessments, published by “space4games” titled “Star Citizen & Squadron 42: How are the financials really doing?”
If it’s not a scam then where’s the game? It was supposed to be out in 2014.
A scam would mean they took the money and didn’t give us anything, what we have now is superior to what they showed and that tech was done from scratch with the Cryengine not being able to do what CIG wanted, so they made the Star Engine and all the tech to go with it.
I feel like people don’t understand how amazing it is with what CIG has accomplished with the tech available in this game.
what is amazing?
THE GAME IS’T OUT YET
WAIT THEN JUDGE
It’s understandable given the state of the game for a while (although we can see steady progress and massive milestones being hit now).
I think we just take a lot of this stuff for granted because several games do things to a very high quality. So we tend to expect the best of everything, and compare it to the best in the industry for that particular thing. If you actually look at everything Star Citizen is trying to do, and at the quality they’re trying to do it, it’s borderline insane.
At the very least, the technological achievement is incredible.
They dont very little people can see how big and complex project this is its not your every year conveyer game from EA with used assets and resources , engines and tech.
Everything is from scratch
You sounds to know a lot about this project right? So why missing on purposes the fact project scope changed to 2 Triple-A mid-2014, approved through pool and regular new pledges (around +30M$ every single years).
Despite new “drama” almost every months during years, funds never stopped to increase. Either +800.000 are totally dumb or the few naysayer around are some crystal ball genius (but with failed prophecies every year)
We know the answer.
I’m beginning to think there must be some sort of filter, glass ceiling or maybe an invisible wall, or something of the sort, that somehow impedes the adequate comprehension of the (imho) simple fact that, to the 2+ million Star Citizen users, of which circa 800.000 funders and the many millions of their dollars and the investor’s pledge plus the 475 staff working on the project, the question and the statement you just posted, are simply I R R E LE V A N T.
Do I need to start drawing pictures…or have I managed to get through the “invisible wall”?
Some are born stupid , this guy probably even has taken classes …. Lol
Judging by some of the replies I’ve seen so far, it must have been one really crowded class. ^^
40 million voted democrats so yeah, mere 800K can be dumb.
People are so cynical nowadays, something is either vaporware or it sucks. Especially on this site, almost no one is ever happy with anything that’s either announced or comes out.
Look at @napoleonic sp007rz or @Hates bad writers comments. Thousands of comments and you will have a hard time to find a positive ones.
Beside throwing vitriol at everything, they don’t bring much on table. They don’t even understand basic numbers like CIG finance or game development process starting from scratch.
They are satisfy with their false and narrow vision of things. After all, this is super comfortable to clever by just ignoring… their false prophecies failed short every single 90 days 🙂
I’m pretty balanced. If something generally looks good I’ll voice my enthusiasm. If something is overwhelmingly and undeniably bad news, I’ll likely respond negatively. But it seems like for some people here they think they’re competing in the Negativity Olympics and have to go for gold with every comment.
At the end of the day, we’re talking video games. It’s a first-world problem. But gamers were the ones that voted EA the “worst company in America” for several years, so if that isn’t lacking self-awareness and living in a privileged bubble I don’t know what is.
Why did they need that extra $46 million? Isn’t the $218 million (and counting) already raised through crowdfunding enough to make their video game?
They seriously need over a quarter of a billion dollars to make a video game?
No it is not enough and Triple-A does not cost 50M$.
When for instance EA say they spend 50 to make one and add 150 M$ for marketing, they indeed spend more than 200M$ already (excluding marketing)… simply because they do not make BF5 out of nowhere but after hiring thousands of devs over many years, made a game engine together with multiple pipelines before starting a single line of code for BF5.
CIG did started from scratch end of Nov. 2012 with 12 guys, no studios, no pipelines and 6M$.
Also the 46M$ are mainly for marketing purposes, to keep backers pledges and focus only on development. This is a lot of respect from CR who choose to keep quality versus rush release, at a cost of 10% of his project….
We gamers know that many CEO around would have made another choice: release and unfinished product and pretend it is done.
they refuse to refund backers buddy that is the scam
Straight up lie! You have 30 days to ask for a full refund just like on Steam, Amazon or any other serious online store outlet.
the game isn’t out dumy
what 30 days LOL
It’s crowdfunding dumy, what refund lol
I’m just saying…
dumy crowdfunded means if you don’t deliver you refund backers
and they are behind 6 years
Development hasnt stopped has it ? They havent finished developing it.Shut the hell up you are so annoying and don’t understand a thing !
10 years in the making
Why do people always resort to hyperbole, or worse personal attacks, when they not longer have an argument instead of just stopping?
If you want to pretend that 5 people starting in 2011 making a demo video over the course of a year counts as development(would be minimal at best) then its at best 7 1/2 years development so far not 10.
Even so they spent most of the first 1-2 years 2012-2013/14 actually building the company and hiring people to work on the game, so full scale development has not lasted more than at best 5 years.
Hate to break it to you but what they demonstrated was practically all thrown away, what we have now is vastly superior and playable, the stuff demoed was never playable to backers, all we had was a hanger and modules came later along with area commander.
Erin Roberts recently explained in an interview that they started from scratch and “wanted to make something better”. Which is why it’s taken so long and the fundamental massive structural change that was made to do this. I mean you do know that most of the ships have undergone a complete rework or being updated with the new pipelines and tech they created? OCS itself took nearly 3 years, the planetary tech took years done by the Frankfurt studio which didn’t exist in 2012.
so every couple of years they will throw away years of development
good jod
It seems hard for you to read properly or take in information, maybe you need some kind of special needs?
They are delivering. Sure it’s taking a very long time because of scope creep, but there are more than enough backers who don’t mind, and a good chunk of them who are excited for the new scope.
They’ve already made something impressive and it only gets more impressive every quarter. It will continue to do so and more and more people will start to like it over time.
i know all that
but if someone is sick of waiting and wants refund they should give it to him
it was only 50
let him go and then he will buy it for 60,or they feared alot of people will follow
that spills no confidence from chris and his team in the timeline they provide
“let him go and then he will buy it for 60,or they feared alot of people will follow”
It’s easy for us to say that, but the truth is that they’re running quite a tight ship. As much money as they have, they’re developing something incredibly ambitious and they need a lot to keep 500+ employees working. They can’t afford to take that kind of risk and it’s no surprise they want to shut off the possibility of refunds by this point.
yeah according to some braindead little t w a t “the game isn’t out” …and according to 2+ million backers and external investors the game is playable according to plans while progress and financials are doing just fine…. I wonder who is more credible? LOL
Does matter dummy, the TOS still applies, that’s what you except when you buy a package.
Here you go dummy, doesn’t matter if the game is out or not.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/90f6a17679952a40dfd8128326aa55ad00d1269776c31a9adcb92c89a810c374.png
It was proven that it was fake and this something you ask refund for.You either support it or don’t.
Anyone who buys a package can get a refund within 30 days.
So call Steam scam as well because they don’t refund Alpha games either.
Beside that, this is written in TOS. Don’t participate if you don’t agree with them. True for this project like any others.
i am talking about the kickstarter campaign
some people wanted their money back and Chris stated that there will be no refunds
go see their comments
Okay. But a judge in U.S. denied a refund despite the guy being an early backer and came with attorney to defend his case.
Justice decision may be different in others countries. Seriously SC is not a scam but get better from what he was at first.
It is not kind of some evil kickstarter guy taking the cash and closing doors a couple years after. SQ42 is coming in Beta mid-2020 and will be several times better than what it was pitched in Nov 2012.
Also early backer do have both SQ42 + SC for 35$.
I would say that kickstarter project do have portion of risk so be ready from start to never see your money back. In SC case, it will be because the product will have been delivered.
Steam is refunding everything.
“…[a quarter billion USD] No it is not enough”
What do you mean a quarter of a billion USD is not enough? Chris Roberts himself said in second half of 2015 (after the scope change) and in several other ocasions that CIG had enough reserve money to finish it all.
Chris Roberts (August 2015): “It’s not going to happen. We have a
pretty healthy cash reserve.”
Did Chris Roberts lie? Or does he simply not know what is going on at his own company?
You made the same question above, I will make the same answer:
Lookat their financial report. There is no lie. They did have reserve and
what you see as charge in Finance sheet are also reserve for known
future expenses.
SQ42 is in a year and half and pledges trend not only is equal to 2017 but they got 46M$ extra from private investor.
Project is totally safe and entering its final phase, Beta being the polish phase before release.
“[a quarter of a billion] it is not enough”
What do you mean a quarter of a billion USD is not enough? Chris Roberts himself said in 2015 (after the scope change) and in several other occasions that CIG had enough reserve money to finish it all.
Chris Roberts (August 2015): “It’s not going to happen. We have a
pretty healthy cash reserve.”
Did Chris Roberts lie? Or has he since then wasted all that reserve?
Look at their financial report. There is no lie. They did have reserve and what you see as charge in Finance sheet are also reserve for known future expenses.
SQ42 is in a year and half and pledges trend not only is equal to 2017 but they got 46M$ extra from private investor.
Project is totally safe and entering its final phase, Beta being the polish phase before release.
So 2 years and no SQ42 yet LMAO.
$46 million is for marketing for Squadron 42, the money from SQ42 will help go towards SC and if crowd funding dries up. remember they’re making 2 games but both share tech between each other. There is also a reason why certain big ships are not in SC because they’re part of the story of SQ42.
GTA V cost over a quarter of a billion dollars to make. If you haven’t seen the quality and details in Star Citizen, i recommend checking it out, it looks like the moneys going largely to development, and less to marketing.
no it doesn’t need that much money and the single player campaign where is it ?
It does you dumbass , don’t talk as if you know how much money does it take to make the game on a scale no one ever has made before and oh wait not one game but 2 games .When When when , stop asking they never gave any ETA.
Its ready when its ready.
I have the feeling you cant even run the game to see where it is at , just blah blah blah .
GTA V Cost over a quarter of billion dollars USD to make.
Yes and it was released in 5 years in final state.
> GTA V cost over a quarter of a billion dollars to make.
No, it didn’t. It cost half of that, the other half was marketing.
To be honest, from working in the finance industry when I was younger I was blown away by what CIG has accomplished with what they have spent by project standard in comparison to AAA games. It’s very impressive work, both in game and real life.
First time I can say Chris Roberts has probably properly utilized a budget he’s received and not wasted money in over 25 years. Which is a feat in itself for those who know anything about him.
The question is do you really need to be well versed in finance in order to comprehend the significant technological leaps Star Citizen is trying to achieve?
This is objectively the worst argument I heard against the notions that star citizen is a scam.
Ah you see…you carelessly assumed objectivity is among the virtues of the so-called Star Citizen “skeptics”…you my friend must be new to these kinda talks.
You were suggesting the game isn’t a scam by saying that CIG is making a ton of money. You highlight how much money they’re making, but no mention of the product they could jump in and play. You address one skeptical argument used frequently and provide an unrelated answer.
“no mention of the product they could jump in and play.”
Wait are you saying that the “skeptics” are actually borderline mentally handicapped people that are unable to search for themselves and find out that the game was playable all along? Damn that’s savage…I will do that though…thanks for the heads up!
p.s. also the hundreds of hours of Star Citizen gameplay footage on YouTube…should I mention (spam links) those too or would that be overkill?
Between my original statements and your constant deflection makes you a perfect candidate for WCCFTech.
Oh look what we’ve got here, the arbiter of argument making.
How sweet, looking at you defending somebody.
Oh look at you, a passive commenter that says nothing of value.
Projection is one of the best defense mechanisms to ignore your own faults. You’re going into overdrive.
You didn’t respond to my argument, so I will ask again. What did you think of my argument against Star Citizen wasn’t a scam because you said his argument was bad.
Like I said, you should have responded to OP. It implies you provided a hell of a lot better arguments than OP.
I didn’t say his argument was bad, YOU DID, so I responded to you, Jesus Christ, one day it will sink in.
Re read the comment you’re replying to and see no reference to “You saying his argument was bad”. Only that you should’ve responded to OP with what you listed out. Especially considering you provided them to show better options, your new goal post position doesn’t make sense. Fishing for arguments.
LMAO, I see you for what you’re now.
Are you on meds or something? What deflection? I even quoted part of your post O_o
Which had nothing to do with your original argument of “Star Citizen is a scam because they have a lot of money”. I just don’t understand if the cognitive dissonance is voluntary or not, but you have fun with it.
Yes they are, just like the same people who use outdated information as you can see here to trash Star Citizen, because they don’t actually know what happened with the project, it just was reported to them via the crappy gaming media who did the same thing.
John here has been guilty of doing the same thing and a lot of it is not based on fact but their opinion even if that opinion is factually wrong. To think people are so stupid they actually think buying ships is a microtransation because it’s been reported that way. There are also a lot of people that only picked up on the negative side of Star Citizen, all they hear is 200 million, blah, blah, buying ships with real money, blah, blah, 2014 release, blah, blah
Yes some of them don’t even know the game is playable, they actually think it’s the same as the 2012 demo and all this brand new tech was done since 2012 LMAO. Most if not all that stuff they showed was thrown away, what we have now was made from scratch and actually playable, unlike the 2012 stuff that was not.
Well then explain why CIG has put all the infrastructure and support around the game outside of it then if it’s a scam then?
Over 1200 videos on their youtube channel all about the development.
There is a proper launcher, there is spectrum for help and talk and a PTU.
There is CitzenCom and GamesCom every year.
Quarterly updates, bug fix patches in-between.
News letters, monthly updates on the development.
A roadmap, updates on the roadmap.
Actual delivered tech and features in the game that was shown.
Over 400 employees working for CIG.
A complete layout of the solar systems and lore which you can go and interact with.
The Issue council that is a bug tracker.
A full ship matrix.
A dev tracker where you can see what developers say and talk about.
You wasted your breathe, I never said “Star Citizen is a scam.”
Never accused you of saying such a thing but you seem to want a better argument for it not being by your reply. Was my argument any better or do you just like telling people their arguments are bad?
At least you admit you wasted your breath.
Thanks for confirming you’re a waste of time.
Make up your own narrative so you get that dopamine drip you haven’t felt in so long due to the amount of time you spend on internet comment sections hunting down arguments you’re not apart of. Makes you look sexy as hell, get down with your lonely self.
What was made up?
Ok. Wake me up when they have a completed game to present.
Wake you up? What am I, your mother waking up his basement dwelling son?
You sure are a defensive lot. lol
Have they given a ballpark estimate of completion yet?
Indeed they have.
The Single Player Campaign (Squadron 42) is expected to release between Summer and late 2020. Word is Star Citizen release to market should follow sometime a year after that (late 2021 by best estimates)
> The Single Player Campaign (Squadron 42) is expected to release between Summer and late 2020.
No it isn’t expected to release, the date is for beta.
> Word is Star Citizen
So they haven’t given any estimate at all.
Once beta status is reached, the release date is generally within months away. This is how it has always worked in the VG industry.
On the Star Citizen side, making estimates on what will happen in 2021 as far as production and development goes, is simply nonsensical. No company does that with their products/titles, in fact many of the industry giants engage the policy of “it will be out when it’s ready”. Therefore officially we do not yet have a precise date, but what we do have is a clear roadmap of the things to come and a solid track record of the time needed for previous milestones to be achieved.
This assumes no delays in getting to beta, which is kinda tall order for CIG so far (remember they still haven’t delivered 3.0 roadmap plan from 2016 for SC). But I agree that if it’s closed beta and they can magically complete it within the time announced, they might be going for Christmas 2020 release.
But that’s just us theorizing. They haven’t given any estimates themselves. Which is what was asked.
No one wants you , no one needs you. We are better off without people like you and same behavior.
lol Is this a video game or a cult?
While I don’t agree with what was said to you, one could ask the same about the haters and detractors.
There are people on both sides that are acting like they were a cult.
While there are certainly plenty to criticize about the game and it’s development, it’s nowhere near as bad as some people try to make it appear.
last year $46 million were poured in by a well known external investor.
Say again ? Who is that ? I hope its not another publisher …
The $46 million is actually a combo investment.
One part from Clive Calder (a well known Forbes 500 billionaire) and the other is from Snoot Entertainment (a UK based motion picture development and production company)
Not exactly small fish, if you know what I mean.
death to Chris Roberts!
This comment is obvious and why does it make headlines. If a software engineer has to support two unique lighting systems why would this ever be easier then one. The idea that it simplifies development is that if you went raytraced only lighting then it would be easier for your lighting artist. Currently lighting artists place thousands of dummy lights to emulate GI. This is what will be saved.
Before Star Citizen gets to have ray tracing there has to be a Star Citizen to begin with.