With the official reveal of Quantum Break for the PC, a lot of gamers wondered whether this title would be coming to Steam or not. After all, this is a Windows 10 game published by Microsoft, so what would be the catch other than its OS restriction? Well, apparently the game will be also available exclusively via Windows store.
As Aaron Greenberg said on the MajorNelson podcast, Quantum Break will be not coming to Valve’s distribution platform, Steam.
“So, Quantum Break on Windows 10 is a Windows store exclusive.”
Now our biggest gripe with this – apart from the fact that Microsoft is doing its best to promote its platforms – is that this game may be plagued by the same issues that already affect the Windows store version of Rise of the Tomb Raider.
The Windows store version of Rise of the Tomb Raider does not support exclusive full screen and SLI/Crossfire, and PC gamers can’t use third party overlay programs (such as FRAPS or MSI Afterburner).
We don’t know whether Microsoft will be able to resolve these issues, however Quantum Break may turn into another title that won’t support multi-GPU configurations. And that will undoubtedly disappoint a lot of PC gamers, especially when the game requires a top-of-the-line PC system (according to its official PC requirements) to shine.
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DAMN YOU MICROSOOOOFT!!!
aww no g2a for you you wont buy it becuase you have to pay full price awww.
Nice try.
Actually it isn’t, still stupid.
it wont be on steam which means no cd keys will be on g2a,.kinguin or gmg.which means it will costs $60 from the windows store awww.
Cool story.
true story
I always pay full price for games.
g2a $35 for a AAA isnt the full price of the game.gmg 20% voucher isnt full price of a AAA game.the full price of console and pc AAA title is $60.if you pay that then you pay full price.
GreenManGaming is an authorized Steam reseller. You still have to play full price at GMG.
Because everyone uses G2A right!
Right?
Quit assuming everyone is mad because they won’t be able to buy from G2A. There’s other downsides to having it windows 10 exclusive.
Don’t waste your time with him. -.-
so how i can buy a key and activate it 😀
Love you Remedy, wont be buying it
IN THE TRASH IT GOES!
MS has proven itself to be a terrible storefront manager that can and will take down digital services (including your “owned” games) if they don’t align with the current strategy. I will never buy their games on the Windows 10 store.
So RIP PC version of QB … no exe means no modds or no injectors like sweetfx.
it will stop it from going to g2a wont it.thats the whole point.thats how all publishers should do.this mite be the start.
Nope.
Windows Store will epically fail to gather any momentum (even more so than Origin has in the past 5 years), largely because Windows Store will be offering even less products than both Origin & uPlay combined.
Eventually, just as was the case with Games for Windows Live, Microsoft will cave, shut down the Mandatory DRM Service part of it, & we’ll be screwed until the Developers patch in Steamworks instead, as they did when GFWL got shut down.
I give it 3-5 years before it returns to being nothing more than Microsoft’s sad pathetic attempt to clone the Apple App Store, & good riddance to it.
Stop it, you’re scaring me 🙁
Please explain how g2a hurts the PUBLISHER? The game gets sold, so its on a stolen credit card, big whoop! The publisher still makes full bang on the sale.
Whats to stop g2a from purchasing QB on the MS store then selling those keys?
(allegedly stolen credit card/s, never been proven, we’re merely taking EA’s & Ubisoft’s extremely doubtful, heavily-biased word for it, no Law Enforcement Agency in the entire World has backed up said claims at all).
why in the world would EA or Ubisoft sell VLK’s to just anyone? It’s there own fault for not having any quality control, and actually accepting personal credit cards instead of invoicing said retail channels.. Sounds super fishy.
Hey, it’s money. Don’t ask where it comes from BEFORE you take it, that’s bad business, man.
It’s much smarter to take it, then penalize the Customer when it turns out “oh, the stuff was actually from the Grey Market.” After all, the Consumers are just a bunch of gullible idiots anyway, so why not.
Gary: “Hey Steve, This guy wants to buy 10K Assassian’s Creed on his personal credit card, what should I do””
Steve: “Sell em! Sweet another 10k sales!”
Dxtory works in ROTTR Windows store ver, I hope they takes notes on full screen and sli support….
Platform distribution exclusivity is a whole new low. When are these greedy corporations going to learn?! When another CRASH happens?! :
You mean like the way so many publishers refuse to publish on anything except Steam? Or EA on anything except Origin?
Maybe when greedy EA finally listens to their customers and adds a WISHLIST feature to the Origin interface, they will receive more traffic. Mimicking the competition in making “Unravel” an Origin exclusive does not help the situation.
Exactly! thank u Jamyskis. Just cant believe that EA/Ubisoft and Steam get a free ticket for making their games exclusive to their distribution systems but MS gets slapped for it.
The difference is I can still play just about all of the Steam games I have purchased over the past 11 years, likewise with GOG, Origin and Uplay, with little or no issues. Whereas every GFWL title I have ever purchased is now tainted by the corpse of a dead and forgotten client that needs to be circumvented to the point that it puts me off installing them in the first place.
GOG is DRM-free; if you’ve backed up a copy, then you’ll be able to pass it down to your descendants.
What happens to your Steam, Origin, and Uplay games if (and when) they go out of business?
As for Games for Windows Live, it was awful, but now, it’s dead.
Based on their handling of the Xbox One revealing and free OneDrive storage, I’m cautiously neutral about how Microsoft will handle all this.
To be fair, Valve really didn’t get a free pass on Steam back when they were forcing us to use it to play Half-Life 2.
It’s just that unlike Origin or uPlay, 5 years after HL2’s Launch, Steam didn’t still completely & utterly f*cking suck. Not to mention 10 years later. Granted, its still got problems, but it’s miles ahead of anything else, & it paved the way for Digital Distribution to become mainstream, so, yeah.
Ubisoft doesn’t make theirs exclusive btw, they just use it as a DRM System. They still sell on Steam, unlike EA who only sells on Origin, & Valve who only sells on Steam.
Nailed it.
They have lost my sale then
GFWL is back!
It’s nothing like GFWL.
just because you don’t mod your games and don’t like sweetfx doesn’t mean windows store is not a massively inferior version to a lot of other pc gamers
What does that have to do with my comment?
GFWL was god awful, so in saying it’s nothing like it you were praising windows store in a way
No I ain’t.
Not praising but defending. Even worse.
You’re a dumbass. I’m done trying to communicate with people who twist what you are saying.
I think they just misunderstood, thinking you’re praising Windows Store
GFWL was sh*t,
but WindowsStore is better than GFWL,
but is STILL a hot pile of sh*t.
Yup and never did I once say the Windows Store is not sh*t
Win store version of RoTR also doesn’t have support for SLI/CF and no exclusive full screen means no super sampling like DSR/VSR if you have the graphical horse power, extremely limited version.
The store, Windows 10 and the Xbox live integration basically confirms GFWL 2.0. MS never once stated that they were never going to not make another GFWL nor did they say they were going to scrap it entirely and this is their latest result.
Crawl, Jimmy. Crawl.
🙁 No steam = No buy
there are other solid electronic distributions out there, It is never good to be bound by one and only service. But sure Windows store is hell of the shop.
more like windows store = no buy (inferior version to anything else)
That’s a ridicules statement. You could just as well stick to consoles in that case. If you prefer a closed ecosystem with only one distributor.
What? “Just as well stick to consoles” is a stupid statement, by using Steam he’s still getting all the benefits of PC Gaming. You don’t seem to entirely understand what you are saying. How is Steam a closed ecosystem? Maybe it is for the devs, but for the players, we can change games however we like as if they were DRM free. You’re getting mixed up with consoles and PCs rather than Steam vs DRM free.
“closed ecosystem”
you mean windows store exclusive ?
Yet so many will only buy it if it is on Steam,and limiting themselves to one distributor.In fact some games can only be bought on Steam,so in fact limiting yourself to one ecosystem.
Bottom line is there all trash platforms,with most using stupid and shit DRM…
Steam is the worse one,they just wow and draw people in because of shiny cards and stupid stickers for guns,and cheap games,So now you end up with a platform that just like consoles,full of kids and teenagers who all have either screwed my mother,or everyone is a noob.Then you have to deal with all the shovelware because they sold out greenlight to print more money.
And support is garbage and they where forced to offer refunds.Steam cares little about what people want,they only care about the market and printing money.Then they gimp trading because idiots are stupid and get scammed to easy.
Seems like they are not far off from Microsoft , just trying to get you to use there platform,and Steam aka Valve does the same.If they really cared about gamers they wuld improve support,and actually make a game or two,and quit milking cs-go worse fucking shooter next to COD.
GOG is DRM Free the way all games should be DRM just a FU to pirates and a bigger FU to paying people,i get it i am not sure i would bother with Windows Store,but not because of the store,but because i just do not like how Microsoft tends to handle things when they fail.
While steam lately is bad with some of the things they do lately, we shouldn’t be trading something that is bad atm, to something that is worse. What you are describing, with a closed ecosystem, is exactly what Microsoft wants. Even with the things that steam has, i’m gonna reiterate why Microsoft’s efforts wouldn’t be better.
1. The windows store is OS/OS version and store restricted, meaning that games only work on windows 10, while steam games are largely store restricted, but doesn’t restrict games to an OS or OS version (and there are some steam games not restricted to steam, like Bleed, which is pretty fun). This is much worse, as it furthers the closed ecosystem with one distributor, while also putting that at an OS level. Supporting Microsoft would be much closer to the “console mentality” in this case than steam, as steam at the very least still has a degree of choice provided to the user, while Microsoft has less to no choice in that regard. steam not being OS specific, gives user choice in OS, which benefits the strength of PC more than not.
2. The windows store games are ran as apps. This means that the freedom to modify games aren’t there, or are considerably harder and much more risky due to how the apps work. This also takes away Exclusive Fullscreen, Vsync control, and also generally mods. This also means that you won’t be able to “Verify files” to replace parts of the game that are broken, or “Repair the Game” in similar fashion (as steam and GOG have those options). You can’t even use unique bindings from applications, or use an overlay unless it is the microsoft specific one. The decrease in this is considerably more console like, and less like what you’d think would be for PC.
Due to this, Microsoft is much worse than steam in that regard, and more so than that, isn’t doing things on PC in a way that would benefit the strengths of the platform. Steam is better than the Windows store in this regard, and as was mentioned before, GOG is better than both.
I just found my way into the windowsapps folder, meaning I can use the Nvidia control panel to select exe’s in there. How would I not be able to use vsync or sli? Seems pretty straightforward to me. Unless I’m missing something…
From what Is understood, the windows store apps such as games are in a different format than traditional windows programs, meaning that you cannot access exe files, as the UAP files do not have the .exe extension. If the files were in the .exe format, then adding shortcuts wouldn’t require the methods that they require, and tools like MSI afterburner or other monitoring tools would work with the Apps (in which they don’t). Due to this, Vsync nor Sli is able to be used with the applications (or should i say, they aren’t able to be directly controlled like in traditional programs). Simply put, the format sandboxes the applications away from the traditional desktop, which makes sense as they are supposed to be “Universal” with Xbox and Windows phones. Due to the sandboxing format, true fullscreen (exclusive fullscreen) is also not used.
this is so they can keep track of it and it doesnt go to sites like g2a. those grey market sites. once it gets on steam it will be there as well. so this is what every publisher should do.
just because you chose to spend $1000 for a pc doesnt mean you should get cheap AAA titles.
ill give you guys another analogy before you start to flame me. whould a guy ferrari testarossa
have cheaper insurance and gas becuase he bought an expensive car. the answer is no.
the same should go with games on pc. it should be just 1 publisher selling all the cd keys from their site just like ms is doing now.
End your miserable trollish existence.
your an idiot
any yet they’ll probably blame PC piracy on the lack of sales and not the fact that it is a “Windows 10 Store Exclusive”
I have not used Windows store yet but what problems does it have? Why some of you dont want to buy it? Will it have a retail version?
because you cant buy it from g2a?…lol
You can buy game keys for Windows 10 store?
You can’t buy windows store keys from G2A or any cd key site.
Will there be retail release?
Yes.
No sh*t, I for one would never buy anything on the MS store.
Windows Store METRO (not sure if it is applicable for all apps) apps and games have very strict protection within the windows makes very difficult to access exe file (for graphic driver settings, foreground app detection etc.). I’m not sure if those AAA games like Tomb Raider and now Quantum Break will have that as well. As i know Microsoft they won’t give a **** about that.
They do have the protection. Windows Metro apps are straight awful and not suited to use as video games at all.
RotTR Win10store version has the exact same restrictions as you mentions on those METRO apps
Interesting.
I was thinking back to when we had a similar situation with Halo 2 Vista, back then we managed to get an XP Patch going, I guess this time it’ll be a lot harder now.
On the other hand, go go Microsoft, can’t wait to see you fail once again from the exact same mistake you committed MORE than a decade ago.
There no Metro apps since Windows 8 was launched.
I’m sure they won’t stop watching people doing it and let it go. They will block region switching.
microsoft expecting us to buy this game first its win 10 exclusive and 2nd its only available on windows store wt—f is this sh|t
These were the same people who said they would not be competing with Steam and in fact do everything to help it.
I can’t believe people defend them on that. If you open up your very own store, then you are in fact entering the competition, if you weren’t into competing for control then you would be co-operating, which MS clearly isn’t at this point and I wish they would be honest that they just want to take PC back and control it like their own little walled garden utopia.
Well, to be fair, if I had to pay a portion of my sales to someone else, I’d rather open up my own store and keep the full amount.
And then we have a billion stores on PC and people drown in the sea of competition, all thanks to not wanting to pay that small cut.
Not every PC gamer loves having loads upon loads of clients, since Steam a lot of gamers have liked their games in practically one place or at least two.
Well, most stores will die if they’re not popular or great. I think M$ is big enough to survive at least for a few years. I don’t see why they would want to pay someone to distribute their games. If I was M$, I would probably sell it through my own store instead of Steam’s.
It’ll crawl along for a few years, yeah, but at the end of the day, it’s got a smaller library than even uPlay, & nobody uses uPlay if they can avoid it either.
There’s considerably less incentive to buy a game on the Windows Store, compared even to uPlay, considering the attached restrictions, so unless they think they’re going to score big on Windows suckers or Xbox Gamers switching to Windows or something, it’ll go the way of GFWL sooner rather than later.
We shall see, but I think it’s probably not going go anwhere soon.
Then good luck being the unpopular store while lacking in everything that makes Steam great.
If you don’t want to pay a cut, why not avoid everything else in life if a cut bothers them so?.
“I can’t believe people defend them on that.”
Not people. Not real people any way. These are corporate shills. Windows 10, its store and Denuvo. If any of these are mentioned in a positive light -> shill.
Well Microsoft knows that you can make a lot of $ from PC sales nowadays and they want it all for them. 🙂
People asking about why this is such a bad thing. The fact that it is on the Windows 10 store means it is a Windows Store Application. This means:
No SLI/Crossfire,
Vsync is always on,
Game files are protected,
Exclusive fullscreen is always enabled,
No fps/hardware monitor software works with it,
You need to take control of the folder as admin if you want access to the exe
Mouse software which lets you create custom binds for each game doesn’t work
You have 0 proof for any of those.
MS said you will be able to buy the games through their store but didn’t say the game will behave like an app, a phone games.
Let’s use our brain people.
Also since Windows 10 mobile apps can be used in windowed mode.
How do I have 0 proof? I’m in the fable legends closed beta and there’s countless reports of these drawbacks all over the internet
Minecraft and ROTTR has these drawbacks as well.
Really bud? You gonna lie now? Straight from the people who ported it:
http://steamcommunity[DOT]com/app/391220/discussions/0/405690850608756638/#c405691147599297212
“Sorry, unfortunately disabling VSync is not supported in the UWP framework currently.”
(The UWP framework is used to create these windows apps)
Think about it for a second; what Platform comes to mind when you think “doesn’t support Multi-GPUs, has locked Frames, & doesn’t need any Mode but Fullscreen”?
This is an obvious side-effect of their Xbox-PC Cross-Platform Play goals.
Like I’ve said 0 proof.
Has anybody reported those things about Rise of the Tomb Raider?
NO.
Yes. All you need to do is search on Reddit or even the Steam forum but you won’t because you’ll see you are wrong.
On the bright side of things, so far it’s only former-Xbox-Exclusive (ergo, Microsoft-funded) Titles that have taken this idiotic step, hence the triple financial failure of Rise of the Tomb Raider, Killer Instinct & Quantum Break combined will undoubtedly push even the most thick-headed idiot Publisher to reconsider any future Xbox-Exclusivity deals that come with “Windows 10 & Windows Store-Exclusivity” strings attached.
Sadly, it seems that whoever was looking forward to either Gears of War Ultimate or Halo’s eventual Master Chief Collection Ports (hell, even the Fable Legends fans) will find themselves riding the “F*ck You Train” as well, since Microsoft will undoubtedly, steadfastly refuse to alter their course, no matter how many Icebergs they hit, even after they’re steering from the bottom of the ocean.
Oh well, at least 3rd time’s the charm? Halo 20th Anniversary Remasters? I guess time will tell.
Vsync is forced when GameDVR is on not otherwise.
That’s incorrect. It’s always on. I’ve tried it with and without gameDVR enabled.
not steam = not thanx
I still remember the GFWL
Lel good luck with those sales xD
i’m sure it will sell like 100 copies, lol.
It seems Microsoft hasn’t learned anything from the fiasco that was GFWL. *sigh*
This confirms that MS wants to kill Steam and be the ruler of storefronts. Practically any port they bring to PC from now on is going to be on their storefront.
That news kills any hope of me ever wanting to play the game.
Also MS doesn’t supporting modding their games the way Valve does with theirs and their client even has a mod workshop, I can’t see MS ever wanting to support people tweaking and messing with their desire to hold a firm grasp on what you can and cannot do/where you can and cannot play.
Dude it’s not about the game it’s all about WINDOWS 10 they want everyone to have this s**ty OS they don’t give a s**t about the games. All this Garbage games is a TRAP.
If it was about the OS then they wouldn’t bother with gaming. |They want it to be about the OS and their control over the PC gaming market.
Number one people who shift to Win10 is gamers, keep this in your mind. the same story again and again…
you’re nothing without a storefront and a plan.
I can’t support this madness… it’s too much.
what madness?, Valve’s own madness when they managed to take what MS abandoned, all while we were all using an MS OS?.
Storefront and plan is where it’s at.
they fixed that apparently 😀
Good to see Microsoft supporting Pirates!
this game won’t be cracked! I promise!
Then I’m skipping it.
Not because I don’t like using other storefronts, but the Windows 10 Store doesn’t have payment methods other than CC (which I don’t have), unlike Steam, Origin and Uplay which offers a wide array of payment methods for my country.
Also, not being able to access the .exe for external tweaking and shader injection is a major turn off.
or paying full price for it either.
what’s up with this guy? is he mentally challenged? Always repeating the same nonsensical stuff!
i know the guy,his from dualshockers 😛
i have no idea whats wrong with the guy you tell me.
His parents don’t give him attention, then he comes here.
He’s some sort of a rabid anti-g2a or anti-discount man. Must’ve been burned so hard by g2a to make him this way.
Fullscreen borderless often introduces microstuttering for me so I won’t bother with this now it’s a cr@ppy Windows 10 app with no exclusive full screen
Aaron Ashmore? Really? lol
lmao…
DarkSousl3 & Street Fighter5 dayONE at STEAM…
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuck u MS!”
#GoVegan
#Steam
No big deal.
#Windows10MasterRace
Ah look. Illegal astroturfing and someone whose IP should be reported to the FTC by the owner of this site. You never learn do you Microsoft.
Anyone who supports this OS is a traitor to PC Gaming. This store already breaks Gsync, Freesync, modding like sweetfx/SMAA, AMD VSR, Nvidia DSR, monitoring tools. IT WILL GET WORSE. Secureboot is the ONLY thing MS can really do to prevent most people from using an alternative OS with Vulkan API. Secureboot will be required by OEM’s and it will break ALL MODDING. People thought Win 8 broke modding. It didn’t. Secureboot did.
You are being conditioned like Pavlov dogs and they want to see how much they can push. You let ILLEGAL astroturfing harass and push you around on forums with names like “DX12 FTW!”.
Windows 10 is a FAILURE on every userbase but PC Gamers and it is not even a rousing success here. Even the 12 percent on netmarketshare is a fabrication. That site is HIRED by MS to create numbers out of thin air and they have IE as the most used browser (if you believe that you are dumb as dirt).
Alex Jones of gaming and tech news sites.
Netmarketshare ADMITS to being hired by MS you twit.
Secureboot DOES break modding and MS IS starting to require it from OEM’s and will punish those that do not enable it by charging more for the OS licence. Windows 10 is the most harmful thing ever done to PC Gaming. MS is the entire reason we still use a 2009 API and have mostly broken and badly ported games.
The Xbox division was billions in the hole years ago and is worse off now. The only thing that can save MS in gaming is REALLY stupid PC Gamers whom will give up all the great things abotu PC Gaming to prop up a company and an API that has no reason to exist anymore due to Vulkan API.
As far as astroturfing? Anyone can google (you will even see this on Bing you twit) “microsoft astroturfing” and see MANY examples. There are also internal court documents from MS in “Comes Vs Microsoft” that explicitly state astroturfing and paid off media and forum HARASSMENT (what you are doing) as company policy.
You are a mental midget whom is influenced by illegal marketing and thinks forum manipulation-= opinion, a shareholder or an astroturfer. Take a pick.
I don’t support the Win 10 store.
The OS itself is nice after I’ve modified it and removed most of the surveillance stuff. Mine’s on the same level as Win7 was.
Screaming at the top of your lungs and calling people “traitors” just belittles your own self.
You can’t remove the surveillance. The fact you even think you can makes you an imbecile. People have recently tested this with the “tools” and MS had to have Ed Bott come out and defend it. A man who has repeatedly been caught receiving illegal gifts and compensation from MS like free laptops.
The EULA gives them every right to ALL OF YOUR DATA. You signed that away and they take it.
They can also require whatever they want in the future and change the EULA. They already have changed it on multiple occasions. That is because it is a “service”. They can charge for anything they want, they can require secureboot, that is why it was legally made a service to begin with. Anyone who signs that EULA has zero self respect and is a loon.
I don’t know who Ed Bott is and you shouldn’t be worrying about me either. More so I do not live in the US but in Switzerland which is a global privacy haven.
Might want to check at recent laws the U.S. passed as far as data collection and privacy. They do not give a @#$% about international law or the law in Switzerland. You are right though. You know nothing.
Funny thing? I was not even complaining about privacy. All the other BS is enough to not touch this OS. Privacy is just another reason to avoid it.
Don’t presume to know anything about me because I’ve already returned that favour.
I know you tried to associate me with someone considered lunatic fringe, then wanted to switch the conversation over to privacy when my post had nothing to do with that, while you attempted to alleviate concerns over privacy with tools that do not even work.
Hmm what did MS documents say in Comes VS Microsoft again?
page 55 under “Mopping up”.
“Ideally use of competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in “he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2. Just keep rubbing it in, via the PRESS, analysts, newsgroups, whatever”.
So if you are not being paid to astroturf? You are still doing it. You have been conditioned to say what they have. You are a weak minded man repeating marketing slogans and tactics that they have used for decades, that they laid out in their own internal documents.
And you go back to being some sort of raving lunatic.
I didn’t use any 3rd party tools no idea where you got that one.
Are you claiming that court case and those documents do not exist now?
Once again you try to associate hard facts with “theory”. I did not write that as policy. Microsoft did. Anyone can google or bing or whatever “microsoft astroturfing” and Xbox, nokia phones, and see that they do this and our caught all the time. Each occurrence should result in a HEAVY fine from the FTC, but somehow that doesn’t happen. Machinima was fined recently for astroturfing for Xbox, yet MS escaped all fines when Machinima was just the middle man. How? That is a good question to ask yourself. Why is MS allowed to break the law? Now me speculating on that? Is a “theory”.
You are associating hard facts and bulletproof evidence with “raving” which means you are either really dumb or selling something or worried about stocks.
Am I denying the MS privacy issues and spying? No. I’m just not going around raving about it. It’s like you get an adrenaline rush from it. For me it all comes down to this: i use my win10 rig for playing games only, for work or anything really important I use Linux on more secure networks.
Most people don’t use multiple computers. This is not a reasonable suggestion for most people. And don’t suggest having multiple OS on one computer, that’s not something 99% of users do either. When you argue in favor of Win10 you argue in favor of 99% of users using Win10 for everything, not just gaming. Your special snowflake approach is irrelevant.
If you don’t like Windows 10, don’t use it. Whining on the internet will not affect Microsoft’s policies.
If you’re worried about privacy I’m simply stating that there are workarounds.
I’m not advocating for Windows 10 in general, I only care about it due to DX12, period.
then dont play on windows.soon all games will require dx12 and win 10.
Yeah because Vulkan API doesn’t exist which was backed by EA, Blizzard, Unity engine, Epic Games (Unreal 4 engine) and Carmack also hates OpenGL to (oh wait he loves it). Every major game engine can, does or will support Vulkan API and were official backers. More like I cannot play some stupid MS games (more like third party games that MS paid to keep or delay from us anyways, because they make jack outside Forza that is any good) that are purposely sabotaged on performance, which require 2-3 x the CPU as a MINIMUM to equal a console with 1.7 Ghz AMD CPU and a GPU far worse that a R9 260x. Oh and that is not all. They want to break 1000 dollar Gsync monitors to and not allow that on their dumb store, or modding and injected SMAA either.
It really doesn’t mean Vulkan will be used in Windows games to the point of giving DX serious competition. OpenGL is supported by the major engines as well, no one used their OpenGL backend, even half-life 2 had a OpenGL support. Game devs use what’s better for them, they don’t give two f*cks if it’s open or not.
Olek is an astroturfing shill and so is Hvd.
They both defend not only Win10 but also Denuvo which I find interesting. Could this Denuvo push be related to the Win10 store push, or is one shill company serving both MS and whoever is behind Denuvo and shills are lazily using the same accounts for both?
then dont pc game most all games by the end of 2016 will be dx12 and win 10 only.if you are going to game in the past stay there.dont game in the future.simple adapt and move on.
Bruce, you usually make sense, but now because some games are tied to the Windows store it’s time to proclaim Win10 as a failure and enemey nr. 1 for PC gaming? Are you off meds today?
“Usually”? I don’t recognize you. Did you change your username recently?
He’s right, unfortunately. Just because of privacy issues alone it should be enough to call Windows 10 number 1 enemy of PC (not just gaming).
Funny thing is, what is happening right now is exactly what Gabe Newell was talking about before the release of Windows 8 (which he called a catastrophe). Everything he said back then is now applies to Windows 10.
I’m confused how the Win10 release of TR is different to Steam. It’s the same code, right?
The Windows Store only allows apps which use windowed, borderless windowed which is automatic buffered Vsync. This breaks Gsync, Freesync, AMD VSR, Nvidia DSR.
It also does not allow injection/modding like SweetFX which people use for SMAA, because all the AA used by game devs is trash.
MS is trying to create more of a walled garden, more parity with their POS console. Console can’t have mods? You cannot have mods.
Windows store also requires UAC which is a broken POS that is the first thing a lot of people turn off on a install of Windows…
Think of it like this; Microsoft Windows Steamworks, except it’s not optional, & it’s a horrifyingly bad idea to ever implement regardless, due to the limitations it places on the Game in order to make sure it qualifies for Microsoft’s Cross-Platform Gaming Support plans (either that, or they’re just plain nuts. I can’t really tell, tbh. I mean come on, it’s Microsoft).
Because that’s exactly what Consumers want, we just don’t know it. Or something like that.
From what I know now, if Win10 store remains how it is, then it will fail, MASSIVELY. Part of me just thinks that Microsoft won’t be quite THAT stupid, rather I’m going for now a more likely ignorance in teething problems of a new platform.
Without exclusive fullscreen support it will die horribly.
PC gamers are pretty good at standing up for themselves, look at what happened to Batman.
MS, make us a couple of favors.
#1. Close down windows store
#2. Sell your games on steam
#3. Make dx12 available on win7.
K thank you.
#1 keep the windows store and charge pc gamers a srvice like xbox live is for console.
#2 make money by not releasing you cd keys to sites like g2a,kinguin and gmg.
#3 win 10 is free up grade.
None of the above sorry :X. BUTTTTT still luhh u famm 🙂
im not worried now as i was before i know pc gamers wont pay full price for a game.i just whish all publishers would follow the same pattern.
You keep repeating this BS when people bought ROTR on the Windows Store for 9 dollars by exploiting regions….
thats the price they wanted to sell their games at.not g2a’s prics..lol
I always pay full price for games i know they didn’t rip us off. For other games, i support them 50-60% by buying on G2A or GMG.
#1 We don’t upgrade to Windows 10.
#2 Devs support Vulkan API which works on OS’s as far back as 64 bit XP and which devs already backed with every major game engine in case MS failed or was too greedy (they did and were).
#3 MS sells the Xbox division which loses billions to Google who would just use Vulkan API. Or just shuts it down.
#4 In reality we lose nothing but Forza which we never had. MS does not make jack first party. All money hats and MS has never been good for gaming at all.
#1 games will all soon be dx12 win10 required.have fun not gaming anymore…lol
Based on what? All engines backing Vulkan API? MS makes jack first party. Who cares.
ea wants all their games to be dx12 required by the end of 2016.all of the xbox exclusives that go to the windows store will be dx12.face it its happening.
Go ahead and link that entire conversation from twitter where Johan also says they will be using Vulkan API. Idiot… EA BACKED VULKAN API, in case MS failed. MS failed. Adoption is pathetic on 10 just like it was pathetic on 8. That is why there were ZERO DX 11.2 games and ONE DX 11.1 game which EA/DICE made (BF4). They also trumped that on AMD cards with Vulkan on BF4. They also used Async on the PS4 version of that game.
MS has not made anything here. They are not revolutionizing anything here. They are a stupid monopoly that has no reason to exist anymore and Sony had Async on their console SDK before they did.
I upgraded to Windows 10 since release on July. It is a perfect OS. I have no issues at all. In face my pc became faster since i upgraded. Why you hate it so much?
This coming from the same guy who thinks DRM increases sales. So you know you can trust this opinion, Windows 10 must be great.
I AM THE SHREDDDER. YES YOU HAVE TO TRUST ME.
You keep dreaming little one.
Microsoft will probably resolve the issue eventually, but if they don’t, Xbox for Windows will go down in flames just like GFWL did. PC gamers aren’t a captive audience like Xbots are, we have (way) better alternatives.
You mean they will abandon their fake support for PC Gaming just like they did with Vista AFTER they get adoption?
No @$%#. Once they get adoption they can do whatever they want. Charge for Xbox Live. Delay any of their games heavily on PC. Force Secureboot and kill all modding but MS approved. Force TPM 2.0.
MS never should have had charge of the API to begin with. All that has done is kept us on a old, decrepit 2009 API and slow down new features that were also on OpenGL. MS has held back PC gaming and we want to give them more power. Only an insane person would do that.
They might get adoption, but their business model with Windows now is to make money off services and digital software sales. This time, I don’t think they can easily let something like Xbox for Windows fail as spectacularly as GFWL did.
And this time Microsoft has even more competition to worry about, with Origin and GOG getting bigger by the day. If Vulkan manages not to kill itself like OpenGL did at version 3.0 and up, DirectX should have some real competition too.
Then again, MS could just puke on themselves. That in itself might even be good for PC gaming in the long run.
there is no competition.you will buy from the windows store.its their way to controll their games.every publisher should do that.which means there will be no cdkeys on g2a,kinguin,gmg or even steam.smart move imo.if they want to see the game for $60 then you pay $60.
if all publishers did this it would be the end of the grey market cd keys sites.
Not even talking about gray market keys, talking about different store download clients and store fronts.
MS can keep their IPs in their store only, but that’s not going to be enough to get people to move off Steam. All things being equal, publishers are always going to go where the money already is, and that’s currently Steam.
exactly as soon as those cd keys would hit steam they will be all over g2a.the only reason pc gamers are bi*chin* right now is because they dont want to pay the actual price of the game which is $60.you want it on steam so you can get it on a sale doen the road.
Cheap CD keys are there because games come with video cards and are games that people do not want you imbecile.
The company ALREADY MADE THEIR MONEY selling the game to AMD/Nvidia and both companies also help with marketing and promotion and development to make up for whatever discount they gave them.
CD Keys do not lose developers any money whatsoever. Also? MS is so inept people bought ROTR for 9 bucks off the Windows Store by using other countries like India, Ukraine, so MS LOST SQUARE A TON OF MONEY ON EACH COPY SOLD.
For f*cks sake, stop answering anything he posts with the words “G2A” in it. (It’s already been argued, he doesn’t care).
“you will buy from the windows store”
THIS IS WHAT SHILLS ACTUALLY BELIEVE.
because you cant have it with a steam sale…lol
Don’t be a trolling douche. Has nothing to do with Steam sale.. Windows store has sales as well. The point is how MS limits what can be done with their games off their store.
This option doesn’t show up for me. And even if I could use PayPal, I’d have to pay something like $160 because of the high currency exchange rates.
“but the Windows 10 Store doesn’t have payment methods other than CC ”
His point was you just lied. There was another payment method, other than credit cards.
“This option doesn’t show up for me.”
How to Lose a Ton of Sales: The Decision
Wow… I bet MS will do the same thing with KI as well and Gears Of War. And they are limiting PC user’s. Look at Tomb Raider Steam vs Windows Store reviews. Windows Store version prevents people from using SweetFX to inject better SMAA, Makes it so you can’t use NVidia / AMD Features like DSR / VSR. As well as not only limiting software effects but on a hardware lvl as well. Those with Nvidia G-Sync monitors or AMD F-Sync monitors might as well be on a stardard monitor. Heck you might as well play on a TV with all the limitations they put on the Windows store Version. What a freaking joke.
Everyone who knows Microsoft knows this was a load of bullsh*t./bullcrap.
fuc*k off MS!
I am not worrying about any issues until Quantum Break comes out. I am happy I meet the Ultra requirements for the game.
pffft… It better be the best looking game on PC with those Ultra requirements. And if you have a G-Sync monitor… Tough cause it will not work. And if M$ was about PC gaming they would support Multi GPU’s…. 980 TI for Ultra spec? It better look good for years
If I do end up getting it, I won’t be paying more than $5-$10 for it. DRM like that basically means you’re just renting the game, so I’ll only pay rental prices.
Oh well was really not interested in this at all , maybe if there was a cheep steam sale but now they wont even get that
Microsoft, you’ll regret this.
Oh boy, here we go!
i can not even access the games i purchased their gfwl store anymore. There is no way im ever going to buy another game from them on another service that they will no doubt ditch in a few years.
From that conversation YOU LINKED. Johan. “we are implementing both and will be able to compare and see, could be that we ship only DX12, or only Vulkan, or both.”
You just don’t get it do you. WE CONTROL THE INDUSTRY. It is up to us. If PC Gamers adopt Windows 10 and send us to h3ll? It will be our own fault. The industry is ready to move on without MS getting in the way and ruining everything on PC. All we have to do is give them the middle finger and all our games will be Vulkan. It is that simple. Vulkan works on many versions of Windows, and Linux . Apple could use it as well.
I’ll give you props for standing up for something you believe in, but I think you are just beating a dead horse. DX12 will be the dominant API and most games are going to be on Windows, whether we like it or not.
as long as they go linux too, nobody should give a damn if they are in windows
That would be great, but I honestly don’t think most games will come to Linux, unfortunately.
they are already coming! of course not those endorsed by microsoft and not at the same time windows versions but for instance street fighter v is comming, xcom is already there, dying light, firewatch the new tomb raider and mad max are also rumored to be coming to linux soon etc.
with vulkan this can (and must) keep getting better.
As someone who likes options, I welcome any linux stuff. But those are just a handful of games you’ve mentioned. Compared to Windows, that is a very small percentage. Windows Steam users way outnumbered Linux Steam users.
I don’t know how I feel about playing games that was available months ago on Windows. We still don’t know when SFV is going to come to Linux yet. Gamers probably wouldn’t want to wait to play the games that they like just because they don’t like Windows. So I think in the end, the people who care if that game comes to Linux or not are the ones who are very passionate about Linux, which I think is a very small percentage, which is not enough of an incentive for developers to port their games.
those are few games yeah, but these are all from the of my head. there are a lot more. also yeah you might have a point with delay on linux releases but im sure it will improve once vulkan hits: no more stupid wrapping of ogl/dx calls. just one code for all platforms. if vulkan gets support it *could* gain some market share from windows.
besides, dont forget that many windows gamers are in fact linux users dualbooting just for gaming (like myself)
and why not, but gaben still has the trump card of “hal life 3, only in steamos” under his sleeve xDDD
You’re forgetting about SteamOS & Steam Hardware.
It’s a Linux-based Operating System. It won’t blow the doors immediately open, doubtful, but it’s definitely paving the way for “Linux Equality.”
Yea, good luck with that.
Didn’t they say the same exact thing about Rise of the Tombraider?
RotTR wasn’t MS game, this one is.
Not on steam ok pirate
wont be pirated it will be only on win store.if it was on steam it would be pirated as well on g2a.poor pc gamers have to pay full price for a game aaawww.
It won’t be pirated because it’s on Windows store? No, it WILL be pirated because it’s on the Windows store. If it were on Steam some people would buy it. On Windows store? Forget about that.
Actually hes right, when you install Win10 you approve their TOS, they can remotely disable apps (not old style programs but whats called windows 10 apps).
So hacking this game wont be that easy.
Also there is this new anti-hacking software that most new games cant be hacked, takes months to hack one and some yet to get hacked.
Some terms of service document is going to keep people from unning cracked games? You think MS are going to bother to persecute cracked games by shutting down user machines / apps on a case by case basis? LMAO, ain’t nobody got the budget for that. So what if cracked copies are available a little later. The games industry has become so risk-averse, interesting games only come out every other year any way. People have learned to be patient.
I will never buy a game on windows store never
I will, its easier then buying on Steam.
lol it seems you dont understand anything comparing both of stores lol
NO !!! AARON TOLD ME THAT THERE WILL BE NO PC RETAIL RELEASE! WHICH MEANS WE GREEKS CAN NOT BUY IT AT ALL! JUST LIKE WE CAN NOT BUY UNRAVEL DUE TO CAPITAL CONTROLS! GRRRRRRR!!!!!! SHAME. IT WAS GOING TO BE A DAY ONE BUY FOR ME AT RETAIL…. BUT NOW I HOPE THAT THEY CHANGE THEIR DECISON AND MAKE A RETAIL VERSION TOO!
We gave you? Who is you? From which country are you? Anyway Microsoft must realize that not releasing a retail version means that the game will sell lower. While most pc game sales are digital retail sales also exists
Yes for us Greek pc gamers(and console gamers) our only way to buy games since the capital controls is through retail
Greeks are so lazy they cant even control their own borders, Greece is responsible for most of the free loaders and uneducated baboons flooding EU.
these guys dont learn
Anyone who buys anything from windows store….there is a special place in hell for you. Also i hope it gets cracked and pirated.
Change region to Ukrain and we have Ukran price. 😀 😀 Tomb Raider 50 euro–> ~9 euro
Thank you MS!
Epic fail no cooming steam 🙁
no steam sell or g2a.more like poor pc gamer that has to pay full price for a game..lol
Windows region settings -> change Ukrain = NO FULL Price 😀 😀
Rise of Tomb Raider steam 50 euro . Ukrain price ~ 9 euro 😀
This is a very good mistake 😀
you are going to change it everytime you play a windows store game?seams like to much work just to save $10..lol
No change every time, only purchase!
You can do that with Steam too, but using VPN. Then you risk getting banned. Just wait till Microsoft does the same thing.
Everyone in the whole world so cheaply bought Tomb Raider. MS will not block anyone
The game looks like it has 66 different Instagram filters.
OK. F*CK tHIS.
This is GFWL all over again. No way one should support a walled-garden which beats the whole purpose of having a PC. No exe modifications, lame SLI/Crossfire support, and late updates.
Windows Store sucks. can’t even change the destination folder for installation, games get installed on my SSD, when they should go to my 1TB hard drive…
or because you cant wait for a steam sale or get it from g2a.this is why pc gamers are mad..lol
I have windows 10 pro, and the option is unavailable…
I can see it but I can’t use it… the slider is grayed out.
My SSD is only 128GB damn it… I can’t install a 55GB games on it when I got a perfectly good 1TB just for games…
Damn you microsoft, I wanted it on steam, would have made things a lot more easier…
My game drive is internal, I have 4 internal Hard Drive & 1 SSD.
and sometimes I plug in external hard drives.
I use windows 10 since release on july 29.
I’m gonna find if there are corrupted system files with a sfc scan and try to install the missing update.
I hope it will fix my problem…
Micro$haft seems to have hacked their $9.15 Windows 10 Store version of “Rise of the Tomb Raider” by removing the option to disable V-Sync, use an overlay program to monitor system resources, change the game’s internal refresh or to use Nvidia’s Shadowplay to record twenty minutes of gameplay. Even GeForce Experience is incapable of locating this version of the game for settings optimization. I have no doubt that Quantum Break will follow. F*ck you, Micro$haft and Windows 10!!
whom every invented the word “Exclusive” deserves to be ha*ged by the neck until he or she d*es.
why is hanged and dies censored ?
i don’t know, i had to send them again with stars.
sounds like to me pc gamers are just mad because there will be no steam sale or g2a buying of this game.you actually have to pay full price which is $60.maybe every publisher should do this.
Yawn
the truth is a troll.
your mom what ?
You can change region and buy from Ucraine for much much cheaper.
Remember that one time Hvd was right about something and didn’t sound like a console peasant?
Yeah, me neither.
rip me buying this game
hey you, you xboner re*ard, find a cliff and jump, leave me and your mom alone.
what up kid?msd because you have to pay full price for a game?…lol
i can’t support both your mom and 120$ games at the same time.
“..and PC gamers can’t use third party overlay programs (such as FRAPS or MSI Afterburner).”
I suppose the Steam overlay and Steam Big Picture mode won’t be usable either..
Holy crap. I had no idea people even knew there was a Windows store version of Rise of the Tomb Raider
Told you. Windows Store is just a more garbage remake of GFWL. Nothing more, nothing less. There’s also the difficulty with nvidia drivers being unable to reconize the game being launched thru this piece of sht software called windows store.
BS, I have Fable Legends Beta and its nothing like GFWL, it has no special menu, works just like any other windows app, no need to login or do anything special.
lol Hvd got SMOKED here 🙂
Hvd’s brain is SMOKED for a long time I believe. I can’t believe people replying to the BS he is writing. But then they will say everyone has the right of an opinion no matter how idiotic it is.
Here’s another game that’s not gonna sell well “because pirates”. Remedy, Remedy never learns.
good luck with that ms. another reason to want vulkan and linux gamin to succeed. the sooner everybody leaves ms the better
rip
Sony were going to do that but seen what MS were doing and backed out after their customer backlash. Sony was made out to be the shinning white knight of console gaming and it worked for them.
Pity they still copied Microsoft’s subscription system for Multiplayer.
Yes, that’s exactly what he wants and he has been arguing for it non-stop for… I don’t know, weeks? Probably months by now.
Everyone, pirate the game multiple times to cost them multiple sales!
😉
M$ the King Of GIMP!
Thanks for pointing this out.
Vulkan FTW
Don’t care on which digital distribution platform it is on. Day one for me. But I think that making it Windows Store exclusive will hurt sales.
Same here, people that have Windows 10 already have the store, using it very easy and if you have or had an Xbox you already have account and if you ever used CC to buy stuff on xbox its already there, all you need to do is login to windows store and press buy.
There is One “BIG” issue with windows store, its only Big if you use small SSD as OS drive: for some reason right now when you buy on Windows store it has no option to change installation drive or folder, it saves to Program Files.
Of course later you can copy it anywhere you want, but people with 60GB SSD Might have an issue.
I downloaded Fable Beta and it was 15GB (Thats how I Know about this so called bug)
Was never impressed with the game anyway. No loss.
Does it matter?