Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Wildlands is a game that should be included in every benchmark list as Ubisoft’s open-world title takes full advantage of current-gen CPUs and GPUs. However, it appears that Denuvo is – temporarily – preventing benchmarkers from testing this latest title on multiple CPUs.
According to Gamestar, Denuvo had temporarily blocked running Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Wildlands when Gamestar’s benchmarkers were swapping their CPU models. This resulted in an extremely lengthy procedure, something that forced Gamestar to completely abandon its CPU tests.
As Gamestar noted:
“The fact that no processors can be found in the technical table is due to the Denuvo copy protection: While the repeated exchange of graphics card is not a problem, access to the game after swapping too many different CPUs is temporarily blocked – test with several CPU models are extremely lengthy.”
We don’t know whether this is due to the new version of Denuvo as we haven’t heard this issue before (everything appeared to be working fine even when various sites benchmarked the Denuvo version of DOOM). Still, this is another issue that Denuvo needs to resolve.
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I’m waiting for someone to defend Denuvo after this…
See the comment below.
Me ?
Lol no. When I commented nismo370z’s comment was below.
lol
Lol wtf is happening ????? :I
Ubisoft
Not exclusive to them actually.
I remember Battlefield:Hardline giving some headache just like this for some outlets.
My reply was intended as a nod to Ubisoft’s notorious history with SecuROM that they’re still today using Denuvo to make life difficult for honest law abiding customers.
1. make a bad coded game that bearely runs on nasa computers
2. disable possibility of benchmarking
3. spam media with marketing BS how awesome it is
4. WTF
Runs perfectly fine at 2560×1440 at near max setting with my i54570k and GTX1080.
Guess it’s time to update your hardware bro.
“Runs perfectly fine at 2560×1440 at near max setting with my i54570k and GTX1080.”
*Hosts a high-end rig & talks about how it runs totally fine on his high-end rig.”
Nice.
Like, seriously, if it didn’t run max settings on a 1080, that would be beyond hilarious, even at 1440p.
Not really, mate.
I don’t think game developers should stop creating new graphical effects just because current hardware can’t handle it.
I bought a flight simulator several years ago and NOBODY could run it at max settings.
Because they built ‘future’ technologies into the engine it still looks good today, now the hardware is available to run it with all the bells-and-whistles.
Perhaps ‘but can it run Farcry?’ really changed people’s expectations, made some developers afraid to push the envelope, and made some gamers expect that games should be limited by the hardware you can buy today instead of what you could buy tomorrow.
That kind of limited viewpoint is why consoles are the right choice for so many gamers I guess.
And even worse than limiting games based on the highest available current hardware, would be to limit games based on the toasters that some ‘gamers’ insist should be able to run the latest game at high settings.
Seriously, if you have ancient hardware either accept you need to run the game at low settings or play ancient games your hardware can handle.
Wow intel and nvidia probably daydream about guys like you.
Hope so because AMD will never get my cash again.
AMD hardware, and software (!) is the stuff of nightmares.
my R9 Fury works wonders, no idea what your talking about. Is Nvidia have a better wide range of GPU’s? Definitely, with out a doubt. Though that does not mean AMD does not come out with some innovative stuff.
But when I used AMD stuff the drivers were absolute junk and needed registry hacks to keep the card (a 5750) stable in 2D mode and I’ve had 2x AMD cards die (2x 9800 Pro)
Never had similar issues with NVidia cards so… thanks but I’ll not buy AMD again.
I hope loads of other people do buy AMD though and keep them in business because competition’s good.
I’ll choose the other one though. Thanks very much.
Jesus Christ, mate, newsflash: AMD fixed their drivers years ago.
Get with the times, already.
I agree, the next Crysis should have happened years ago, but realistically, there’s a difference between what we want & what we’re actually getting, which feeds directly into over-inflated system requirements.
Wildlands is not the next Crysis, or the next Far Cry, or the next “Super Effects-Riddled Flight Sim” or whatnot. It’s a good looking game, sure, but as is pretty much standard with all U-BE-SOFT productions, it’s riddled with performance issues, as the performance analysis pointed out.
Like i said though, it runs fine for me, and my gaming friends, all running adequate hardware. Looks bloody good too. That draw distance … !
It ain’t going to run fine on a 5 year old toaster, unless you turn down some settings.
Simples.
And it’s not supposed to, but then again, you’re the only one talking about 5 year old rigs…….
You’re the one claiming the game runs poorly on anything but a high-end rig.
Which clearly translates to “I cant run this modern game at HIGH settings on my underpowered hardware, so instead of changing to LOW settings I’ll complain the game is poorly optimised”
If modern games were to run well, at the higher settings, on low/mid range systems nobody would need to buy a high-end system.
And I repeat;
“In conclusion, Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Wildlands comes with some really high GPU requirements, and is not scalable on older GPUs (even though its Low settings look worse than those of other open-world titles… that also run better).”
But no, please, tell me more about how your one, single, high-end rig qualifies you to make the unquestionable judgement that “this game runs well, because….. it runs well for me!”
Look around a little & educate yourself, instead of making yourself look like a prat by bragging about your high-end hardware & how “it runs great for me, so suck it, losers!” next time.
You’re the one reliant on a single source, one paragraph especially.
I have my experience along with that of two friends, all having no issues running the game.
Also, i can find plenty of paragraphs that seem to run counter to your assertions that the game runs poorly.
Like this one:
“We also tested the game using the Very High preset, which still delivers amazing graphics with much more reasonable framerates. Here, both the RX480 and GTX 1060 are able to deliver more than playable FPS for 1080p gaming.”
As well as:
“Another thing to note here is that the game is playable down to the GTX 960. In this case, it is the super clocked version from EVGA. Another interesting thing to note here is that the GTX 1060 performs marginally better than the RX 480.”
How about:
“Importantly, all cards performed very consistently, with all but the AMD RX 470 reporting average and minimum frame rates within five or six digits of each other. This makes Wildlands smooth, if not fast, at ultra.
It’s worth noting that you can yield massive performance gains for small concessions by downgrading from ultra to very high. The RX 470, for example, jumps from an average of 31 fps to 52 fps. We’d hope for a little more, but considering the depth of detail in Wildlands’ grass and tree-heavy world, it’s not an entirely surprising result”
etc. etc.
So yeah, the game runs fine, for me, my mates and all those other reviewers too.
Sorry if that’s not the case for you, or for the person that wrote your paragraph.
It’s a shame you decided to add your little insult at the end of your last post though, it does nothing for the little credibility you had remaining.
“You’re the one reliant on a single source, one paragraph especially.”
Well, you don’t even have that one source.
Did you get someone to type that for you, as you clearly can’t read?
I posted three separate paragraphs from three separate benchmark reviews. I have posted about my own experience and that of two of my friends.
Because I have no doubt you’ll struggle to do the sums, I’ll help you out, that makes six. Six sources.
That’s more than one source.
Perhaps your helper can translate the above into small words you’ll understand.
What a load of bulls**t. Hey kid, remember BAK ? yeah there were people like you defending it when they pulled the game out of steam because it was broken. Runs fine for me doesn’t mean s**t, also why are you here ? runs fine ? go play.
“RX480 and GTX 1060” “1080p gaming.”
“GTX 960. In this case, it is the super clocked version from EVGA.” (i.e. it’s almost the equivalent of a standard 970, which makes me wonder why they didn’t just test that, instead, but, whatever)
“GTX 1060 performs marginally better than the RX 480.”
“AMD RX 470”
How are any of these cards, with maybe the exception of the 960 (though that’s pushing it, really) considered to be “old”, exactly? When did the RX580 come out, exactly, that I missed the announcement? When did the 1160?
Seriously, do you understand the definition of the word “old”? As in, “old” =/= “cards released less than a year ago”? Cards that, for all intents & purposes, are still considered to be anywhere between mid-to-high-end (respectively)? I mean, wow.
Since you want to go on & on about “not GTX 1080” cards, however, as the very site you quoted points out; “It’s worth noting that you can yield massive performance gains for small concessions by downgrading from ultra to very high. The RX 470, for example, jumps from an average of 31 fps to 52 fps.”
Now granted, Wildlands’ Ultra preset is intense, & kudos to U-BE-SOFT for providing us with such an intense Ultra preset on the PC (which they most likely specifically designed for the 1080 Ti & the upcoming AMD GPUs), but wow, that’s still a massive FPS gap between Ultra & Very High, on a RX470, which is still currently AMD’s second strongest card (until Ryzen), even if it’s no benchmark king.
As I said before, I look forward to the next Crysis-level visually intense game, but if it comes at the cost of broken performance scaling (much like Crysis did, until Warhead sorted out most of that), then what’s the f*cking point? That’s not intense visuals, that’s just a wanna-be gimmick, created by bad coding.
Yes, Wildlands looks good, & as I said, the Ultra preset is great, but seriously, it’s not the next Crysis, or the next Far Cry, or the next “Flight Sim With Uber Visual Effects.” Also, since you like excerpts so much, here’s another one from me;
“High still looks good overall though, and is far less punishing on mid-range hardware. You’ll see an average of 72 fps and minimums of around 60 fps, making Wildlands a much more playable game. By all means opt for ultra if you’re packing a 1070 or better, but these lower settings offer optimal performance and agreeable visuals on a GTX 1060 or equivalent.”
Note that’s “High”, not “Very High”. It’s also worth noting that Wildlands’ lower settings got criticised by numerous sites for being…. well, pretty bland, really, which means they overpowered their highest settings specifically for the upcoming & currently high-end GPU’s, & then shafted the mid-tier & 2+ year old consumers with sh*tty low-grade graphics that make the game look worse than its console equivalent.
Now I’ll freely admit I’m not running a GTX 1080, but I’m not running anything equal to &/or weaker than a PoorStation 4 either, so I’m not quite sure why the lower settings are getting such massive downgrading.
Funny how you fail to mention exactly what you are running the game on.
“How are any of these cards, with maybe the exception of the 960 (though that’s pushing it, really) considered to be “old”, exactly?”
Old, weak, underpowered, whatever, it’s the same thing right.
You need a modern, powerful GPU to push a modern game engine. Or you lower the settings.
This has been a fact since GFX cards were introduced to the PC ecosystem.
What’s so difficult to understand?
If your PC isn’t powerful enough to run the game at higher settings that’s not the fault of the developer.
They’ve added LOW settings for you. If you don’t want use them that’s up to you.
Maybe you should buy a console, it’s far cheaper and you don’t need to worry that you can’t game on high settings. Nobody else with a console can either.
Wow, you’re one hell of an arrogant pr*ck, aren’t you. Alright then, if you insist;
A Voodoo 5. Or, no wait, that’s not right. Oh, now I remember…. Tragically for ye, almighty, I only own a lowly 780 Ti, standard. Yes, I know, the horror. Oh, I am so ashamed of myself that I’ll have to repent, later, yes, I know.
GPU’s launched in 2016 are modern. In other words, GPU’s launched less than 12 months ago are not only “modern”, but they’re also “new”, for all intents & purposes – well, to non-arrogant elitist pr*cks like you, which make the rest of us look bad when you spout off your bullsh*t.
This is a universally accepted fact. What’s so difficult to understand about that?
Maybe you should be more mindful not to choke on your ego, what with the size of it & all…… Though I suppose that would require you walking through life without holding your nose into the air like you probably do, which is likely impossible, so I don’t even know why I’m suggesting it, really.
780ti and 1080p monitor in 2017? Hahhahaha!! Yes you must be ashames! VERY ASHAMEDM y GTX 970 G1 GAMING and 1440p monitor DELLP2416D destroys them! In both graphics quality and perfomance. Anyway from benchmarks i saw it seems like 970 will run it about 30 fps on ultra 1440p bu that ok with me as the game will still be playble even if it is 30 fps. I hope that the perfomance of 8 cores and 16 threads ryzen will be enough to make it run at least 40 fps however….I mean if it realy makes use of 8 cores as the perfomance analysis said then it might run much better for me but i am not buying any time soon. Iam preloading dead rising 4 now. AND AGAIN SHAME ON YOU FOR HAVING 780 TI AND 1080P in 2017!!!
Oh no! He’s using a rig from literally the last weeks of 2013! Oh the horror! Oh the tragedy!
Oh! Oh! Oh!
Shut up, Shredder, for f*ck’s sake.
i have a friend who still havent ugpgrade his pc since 2012! He has Core i3 32200 GTX 460 and 8 GB RAM That a real tragedy since most games dont run not even at 30 fps low settings 1080p and in most of them he is reducing resolution to 1680×1050 for them to become playble!! That REAL horror and tragedy!! But he told me that finaly he took the decision to upgrade sometime later this month and will get a GTX 1070 MSI AERO OC in a few weeks! So now he at least willl be able to run max settings 1080p 60 fps!
Good for him?
(What the f*ck do I care?)
Like another guy said to him “You are breaking balls with your stupidity, seriously”
This is why people pirate games, because they cant afford what you buy in “2017” which is not an argument anyway it is 2017 in Africa as well you know.
Well he is fat and he spents lot of money on food instead of anything else. And no we are not in africa i and him we are both Greeks it is just that he prefer to spent his money to eat and become even fatter than he already is than to go out with friends or upgrade his pc or you know things like that.
“i and him we are both Greeks”
“i and him we are both Greeks”
“i and him we are both Greeks”
PSSST how many Greeks can afford the latest hardware and play games?
Infact the vast majority of them are unemployed and live from their parents and grandparents pensions which the lowest are around 350-450.
Yet you act as if you live in switzerland or something.
” he prefer to spent his money to eat and become even fatter than he
already is than to go out with friends or upgrade his pc or you know
things like that.”
How much money you make? minimum wage in Greekistan is 450 for under 25 and 580 with over 60% taken by the state.
Seriously you must have some rich oligarch parents or something and you come here complaining about nonsense than been glad you are not dying like the rest of the greeks.
It is true then, people are never happy or satysfied and money doesnt bring happiness.
If i have that kind of money i would have zero problems and i wouldnt give a flying crap what anyone thinks or says, not you, not the console gamers, not the sjws, not trump not eu not anyone. I would live in my own RICH bubble and ignore everything.
Baby runs a 2017 game using 2013 hardware and cries because he can’t max it. And I’m the arrogant pr*ck!?!
1st world problems. lol
Tragic.
Actually I haven’t even played the f*cking thing, & have no immediate plans to do so, so…..
Jokes on you, “baby.”
” should stop creating new graphical effects just because current hardware can’t handle it.”
Wasnt this game downgraded?
“I bought a flight simulator several years ago and NOBODY could run it at max settings.”
mate i tried running the original operation flashpoint on max settings a few years ago and i still couldnt run it. I tried doing the same with cryostatsis and i couldnt either, i had a pc that was 5-8 years ahead of cryostasis and over 15 to operation flashpoint, some things are badly optimized.
Yup.
But ssshhhh, don’t tell him that ;D
Apparently the dumbas$ thinks i have problems running freecell on a celeron rig and that i have not upgraded in years.
He must be one of those guys that when the fps drops to 59 he upgrades.
Or better “runs perfectly fine” without giving a proper indication of framerate… “Fine” could be anything
I’m using a G-Sync montor and I’m getting an average of 56 fps @ 2560×1440 and minimum 48fps.
You think that’s not “perfectly fine”?
OK cool.
No, anything below 60 isn’t “fine”. A proper PC gamer knows this by hearth. So that says enough about the type of gamer you are.
No, you’re wrong.
You’re obviously ignorant as to the effects a G-Sync monitor has in negating your misconception that anything below 60 isn’t “fine”.
A proper PC gamer would understand what G-Sync does when gaming at sub-optimal FPS.
That says enough about the type of gamer you are.
Also, it’s worth bearing in mind my numbers are from the in-game benchmark, which pushes a somewhat unrealistic scenario to stress-test your system, whereas when actually playing in real-time the performance is somewhat better.
No, what you don’t seem to understand is not about what you see, it’s how it feels. It doesn’t matter if G-Sync ties the refreshrate to the lower framerate. You’re still getting lesser than 60 frames per second on your screen, thus makes it feel less fluid.
Old school gamers that used to play on the Q3 engine (for me in CoD1), noticed the difference between 60-91-125 fps. Even though our screens where all at 60hz (or 75hz for some older CRT’s).
Again, showing your ignorance.
G-Sync is less about what you SEE and far more about the FEEL. With a G-Sync display there is ZERO input lag.
Why not do some research instead of typing rubbish you think you understand.
Lol now you’re just jumping back and forth because you can’t get me to agree with you. I never talked about input lag, I’m talking about frames per second that are on your screen.
The FACT remains that you’re getting lesser than 60 frames per second on your screen and the FACT remains that that means for a lot of people that it’s not fluid. I’ve seen G-Sync in action, multiple times. Yet it still feels less fluid than having 60 frames per second on your screen.
Anyway I’m done with you, you’re just a mindless drone that loves to follow the masses and get all sorts of bullshit gimmicks.
You started off sounding ignorant (ill-informed) now you also sound stupid.
Perhaps it’s just desperation on your part. Desperate to sound like you know what you’re talking about.
You don’t, but you do trot out a good line.
You can live in ignorant bliss for all I care, your lack of understanding has no bearing on my enjoyment.
Thanks for the banter though, it’s been fun.
“it’s time to update your hardware bro.
” Really now? Its 3 oclock again? Damn i upgraded yesterday, i guess its time to upgrade once again, like the console morons say “pc gaming requires upgrading every year” and “pc gaming costs thousands of dollars”
Ill just go and buy the leatest hardware at the highest price i can find just to be safe…oh wait TB has that and he still experiances perfomance issues.
Except you didn’t, you haven’t upgraded in years. But you’re still here, pretending you know what you’re talking about.
You have performance issues running Freecell on your Celeron rig. And still you’re commenting on behalf of people that have actually bought real gaming hardware.
“you haven’t upgraded in years.”
i just did but according to you unless you have an entire closet of hardware because you upgrade every year, you are not worthy to talk about optimization.
“You have performance issues running Freecell on your Celeron rig.”
See now you are talking nonsense.
“nd still you’re commenting on behalf of people that have actually bought real gaming hardware.”
How many are that because steam proves that 99.9999% of them dont own what you consider “a real gaming hardware”
oh wait i forgot, that comment was writtten an hour ago, that means your current hardware is old and you need to upgrade again, go on then, go waste a few more thousand bucks on a new rig.
U-BE-SOFT, brah.
Honestly at this point.. why even buy this?
it’s just another “bland open world game” from Ubisoft
there is nothing “Tom Clancy” about it, just another run of the mill third person shooter
the setting is boring, the story will be fragmented and non-existent
and of course Ubijunk’s paid shills are ready to promote this game while Worth a buy already deemed this game a barf-fest
seriously, these games should get no spotlight whatsoever and let people forget they exist
Props for namechecking the marvellous Worthabuy. Along with Totalbiscuit, Jim Sterling he’s one of the VERY few trusted online sources for videogame reviews as far as I’m concerned.
(Yes, I know that Totalbiscuit’s ‘WTF is…’ videos technically aren’t reviews but you know what what I mean!)
How people watch worthabuy is beyond me. He is the biggest w@nker i haver ever seen. He screems and shouts starts insulting the game and the developers hits a hotel bell to epxress his anger and he has the stupidest opinions ever. Like say how on the new order he said the game was bad because it had too many cutscenes and was not oldschool enough, but when it comes to far cry 3 which is a game designed for console morons and its campaign constantly interupts the player with cutscenes and QTEs, like most console focused games at the time with super scripted campaigns….to him that was a game appealing on both pc and console gamers and a prime example how to appeal to both. Then i watched his doom review and the dumb clown was complaining that the game is nothing like doom 3 and its not scary and its too much like painkiller and serious sam and when you kill enemies the game throws health at you to make sure you dont die.
How can people take this idiots opinions seriously is beyond me.
Sterling is a sjw and his reviews are 100% biased personal experiance. Eg mw3 9.0, bf3 7.0 Or bioshock infinite 10 and wolfenstein new order 3/5. Gta v 9.0, saints row iv 10. Then he is wasting everyone’s time with garbage shovelware that he plays to mock them. Like i cant find 100 other channels to do that better than he does.
I am not saying they are stuper trustworthy but i would pick GGmanives and Superbunnyhop over those 2.
“How people watch worthabuy is beyond me”
No matter. I suspect numerous things may be beyond you but it’s of no consequence to anybody but you.
“He is the biggest w@nker i haver ever seen”
I’m sure he’d think equally highly of you!
“Sterling is a sjw”
His politics may be left of centre and therefore a little tiresome at times but I wouldn’t reasonably describe him as being a SJW. He’s not interested in safe spaces, trigger warnings, crybully tactics and all of the other ridiculousness that SJWs engage in and in no way seeks to play the victim card as a matter of cause.
“and his reviews are 100% biased personal experiance”
Sterling’s videogames reviews are formed based on his own personal opinions and experiences when playing videogames? How dreadful!
” I suspect numerous things may be beyond you but it’s of no consequence to anybody but you.”
So you are not gonna answer why you watch him?
“I’m sure he’d think equally highly of you”
No you wont you gonna insult me, well figures, thats what this guy does, he rambles and screams and calls names the developers. If you wanna watch that by all means, but saying that a w@nker who thinks every game is W@nk and thinks everyone is a w@anker is not gonna have a diffirent opinion on me or you…..because he is a w@nker anyway and no one should take him seriously.
“His politics may be left of centre and therefore a little tiresome at times”
Oh i gave up when he was defending the DOA debacle.
“Sterling’s videogames reviews are formed based on his own personal
opinions and experiences when playing videogames? How dreadful!”
It is dreadfull i wouldnt take seriously someone who says mw3 is a 9.0 amd bf3 is a 7.0
Or do i need to remind you how he has been caught reviewing a game without even finishing it?
His is not trustworthy.
Youtube keeps suggesting me his horrible videos, i clicked on wildlands to see what stupid nonsense he is gonna say
“I am not one of those people who cant play games at 30 fps, infact i dont even notice it”
FUUU you and FUUU him. He is a w@nker
GGGmanlives hates fun also
he gave shadow warrior 2 a bad rating because it’s “immature” (seriously watch his horrendous review)
Superbunny hop is indeed a saint, but he’s not critical against $hitty business practices or crappy Ubisoft games like Worth a buy
Yes worth a buy has some flaws but generally his latest reviews are pretty solid and well formed (not as much bell raging as it was 2 years ago)
though treat all reviews with a grain of salt, never make a purchase purely because the guy said yes it’s worth a buy
even Total biscuit had some major ignorance moments when he defended online passes and “ban used games policy” which was a hot topic at 2013
personally it’s all matter of taste, do you prefer critical reviewers who dislike console ports and shoddy business practices? then go for worth a buy
do you want professionally edited, well mannered gentlemen who reviews the game for what it is regardless if it’s $hit or not?
go for superbunny hop
that being said, all of these regardless give better opinion than any “premium journelist site”
SuperBunnyHop is good, I’ve watched quite a few of his works, he does good stuff.
Well, that’s just me, though. Haven’t heard &/or seen anything of the others.
Shame!
Ring that bell, b*tch.
Shame!
SuperBunnyHop; Well, sure, he doesn’t go in-depth with describing the intimate details of everything that U-BE-SOFT does wrong, but he has called out quite a few things, at least in the videos I’ve seen?
i’m subscribed to him and yes while he DOES critize Ubisoft for it’s repedative boring gameplay
he never lashes at them, he never insults them, he never tells people to stop buying their $hit games
he’s a true neutral, and he’s a great youtuber
but when i’m watching into a review i’ed like some final words
is it worth a buy? is it not? is worth to buy post patch? is it worth buying for cheap?
that kind of things i really need for reviews, he’s more documentary of games which on their own are great for enhancing your experince after you finish those said games
True, though I found his breakdown on Deus Ex: Mankind Divided to be quite good.
It’s interesting, on the one hand, he doesn’t tell you whether or not to buy it, rather, he lets you form your own opinion as he tells you the pros & cons, but on the other hand, he really only gives you all the information, letting you make the choice yourself, so if you just want a simple “yes or no” thing, you can’t just skip ahead to the end 😛
“why even buy this?
it’s just another “bland open world game” from Ubisoft”
Well since 2005 i wanted a open world mercenary simulator to play alone or with friends,.
This is what this does.
Now if it is bland…yup, but you have to admit there isnt a game outhere that you can infiltrate or attack large bases with a squad. Far cry and metal gear bases are small and arma is a a borring sim.
Other than that the game has no soul, but by that logic far cry primal had some soul because its setting was one of a kind.
“there is nothing “Tom Clancy””
PFFFT we are way past that there was nothing tom clancy in the last 2 ghost recon games just like there was nothing falout in fallout 3 and 4.
At this point we buy games for what we can get.
I mean people will always complain about something, shadow warrrior is not like the old one, wolfenstein new order is not like return to castle wolfenstein and so forth
the last Tom Clancy game was definitely Splinter-cell blacklist
after that, he died and then came the division which dropped the final nail in his coffin and started a new age where Ubisoft casually slaps his name on the “games” they produce
wolfenstien TNO/TOB is more call of duty than i’ed like to admit but it was still a good game (if you bought it in a sale for a reduced priced, i payed full price for TNO and i was kinda disappointed)
as for Ubisoft trying to shoehorn a MGSV clone, good luck to them with all the $hitty optimization and the “gold editions” and whatnot
“the last Tom Clancy game was definitely Splinter-cell blacklist”
Was it? Because you could go guns and blazing in that game with your whole “play your way” style that so many games use and the typical upgrade system. The last bossfight was also a qte if i am not mistaken.
if that was a tom clancy game so is wildlands, still better than future soldier, holy crap that game was horribly scripted.
“wolfenstien TNO/TOB is more call of duty than i’ed like to admit ”
You played it wrong then, i did not aim down the sights even once. Bullets fly straight, but recoil still applies to the assault rifle.
i played it more like dishonored to be honest, though i had my rambo moments
the biggest annoyance is the scripted events which take control from the player, that and the unskippable torture sequences
and as far as i remembered, blacklist did really have only ONE QTE fight which was at the end fight, the rest of the game didn’t really take any control from you
as for the unlockables, trainers solve the issue, and if you like to be fair
the Uplay rewards unlocks a lot of nice gear early on
so you don’t have much to grind for to be honest.
co-op was pretty fun though hard to find.
“the biggest annoyance is the scripted events which take control from the player, that and the unskippable torture sequences”
That game had by far the least of those moments atleast compared to any other action game at the time that wasnt a open world copy paste collectathon.
“so you don’t have much to grind for to be honest.”
Nah i like to grind.
“co-op was pretty fun though hard to find.”
So was in wildlands, its the same sht
“The last bossfight was also a qte if i am not mistaken.”
Yeah, but the one before that was epic. I’ve noticed some sort of a trend with stealth games; they power up the pre-final boss, & then let you skate by with a final cooldown level, before letting you off easy at the end, there.
Well, Tom Clancy sold U-BE-SOFT the rights to use his name as they saw fit well over a decade ago, after which (this next part is based off memory of something I watched a while back, so pinch of salt as to the details) he either started decreasing his involvement, or he stopped being involved with U-BE-SOFT entirely.
Either way, he hasn’t been a part of the Tom Clancy’s development process in quite some time, so everything in the last 10-odd years or so has been completely outside of his oversight &/or input.
I do agree with the principle of the statement, though, the last game Tom Clancy would have approved of would be Blacklist, hands down, though even that would have been a little hesitantly, to be fair.
The point being, they’ve been slapping his name onto sh*t for a while now, it’s just that now, they’re also slapping it onto new IPs, not just the ones he created when he was working with U-BE-SOFT on video game adaptations of his works.
As if his work was great? Before you start attacking me, he wrote generic tactical novels and none of the games with his name have a good story, it was all about the gameplay.
He had a few standouts, to be fair. He did write Red October, after all, but yeah, his game stories were…… eh.
Gene roddenberry earth final conflict and andromeda comes to mind.
fuuu denuvo the cancerous ex SONY DRM devs. may they rot in hell.
Garbage denuvo for garbage game
Denuvo from what I understand can’t be trusted, Section 3.1 of the Ghost Recon Wildlands Terms OF Service states that Denuvo can copy itself to my system, and can install additional files and Ubisoft is not responsible for Denuvo, however people tell me all different stories about Denuvo…
I Understand Denuvo is Anti-Tamper, and how it works somewhat, but what I want to know is how I can fully Uninstall Denuvo from my system 3.1 says that even after uninstalling the game from Steam Denuvo may still remain on my system, and neither the developers of Denuvo nor the game will disclose to me a full list of how I can uninstall Denuvo.
For example if its just files in the Steam App directory folder this is fine, but I have known DRM, and other Third Party Anti-Cheats to store files in other parts of the users computer or C:windows directories without asking consent to install, or even telling people how they can remove this…
Although some people say CC Cleaner is good I prefer to do things by hand.
Now I believer in buying games rather than pirating, but games with “DRM” like this that impedes my game-play, What Programs I can and can’t run including bench-marks, I don’t blame people for wanting to pirate the game…
Denuvo is f***** garbage I say, I think developers should save the money, fix it so Multi-Player has to have a login to the servers for updates and stuff to prevent unauthorized copies, and trust in people to buy the game (Not force DRM on people) and Encryption which takes up more CPU Usage and stuff, and screws with those who multi-task (There is no reason for DRM like this.) Go back to Serial Keys.
Youre just a thief
He is not,but you are just a moron.
and you are retaarded
Remember “SecuROM – The DRM That Doesn’t Uninstall No Matter How Hard You Try!”?
Guess who made it…….
Hmm, were intel cpus getting kicked by ryzens in this game? maybe thats the reason?
Iam still waiting for my ryzen 1700a nd motherboard to come here(ordered them one week ago) but due to high demand the shop sent me email yesterday and told me that iw will have it on 3 or 4 days after 11/3. Since the game makes use of 8 cores then of course ryzen will have much better perfomance than any quad core and espeialy old quad cores ike the 2500k that iwill still have for a feew more days. Iam wondering if the perfomance boost from ryzen 8 core will be enough for 1440p 60 fps max settings with my 970 or is still 1080 for 60 fps 1440p.
shut up already jeez
Denuvo=protection.
People criticizing denuvo=thieves
NSA/CIA tracking and spying your every Internet Connected Devices = protection
People criticizing NSA/CIA = criminals
Seems legit.
Hi Denuvo bot #74623
do you like having no control whatsoever on the products you buy?
next thing you’ll tell me always online DRM works
Spore also had “protection”
People who criticized it because they couldnt play it due to that “protection” were thieves for buying the game and not pirating it which apparently gave em a version of the game that worked better than the official verion and did not have to go througn any hassle with ea to get the game working.
Can’t tell if sarcasm.
What’s this ? DRM causing issues for paying customers ? This isn’t possible. DRM wouldn’t do that, it only effects pirates………Seriously they expect me to pay money for games that use this trash ?
Aaawwwwwww, so you can’t swap 10 different CPU’s to benchmark this game? I’m sure that’s a real deal breaker for 0.1% of people interested in buying this.
Why should I care about what that 0.1% want any more than they should care about what I want ? Point is that without the DRM the people who wanted to “swap 10 CPU’s” as you put it could and those that didn’t want to would have the same experience that they would have previously. There’s no sane customer who will argue IN FAVOR of having DRM at all because it doesn’t benefit them one bit.
So you don’t like Denuvo because it doesn’t let you swap 10 CPUs, but somehow you’re A-OK with, say, Steam gathering and reading your data? From Steam privacy policy agreement: “Valve also processes anonymous data, aggregated or not, in order to analyze and produce statistics related to the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group or as individuals. Such anonymous data does not allow the identification of the users to which it relates. Valve may share anonymous data, aggregated or not, with third parties.”
On top of that, you don’t really own any of the games in your Steam library. BUT DENUVO BAD!!!11!!one!
And nobody here is arguing in favor of having DRM, I never even implied that.
Here, let me highlight the important bits of that statement for you;
anonymous data
Such anonymous data does not allow the identification of the users to which it relates.
Besides, it’s Valve, not Microsoft. I doubt they’re hooking up with the NSA for PRISM 2.0 or some such, unlike, say, Microsoft, &/or probably EA, if they ever got the chance.
See, it’s the exact same thing:
Denuvo = BAD / Steamworks DRM = it’s ok!
Microsoft gathers anonymous user data = BAD / Valve gathers anonymous user data = it’s ok!
I can only speak for myself but I do criticize Steam. I criticize Denuvo far more for sure though. The reason I do that is because while Steam has a lot wrong with it it does offer positives to the consumer. Mods, cloud saves, auto updates, deep discounts in sales, etc. Steam also doesn’t care how many computers I install a game on and how much my hardware changes. Publishers may but Steam itself doesn’t.
Denuvo on the other hand does nothing positive at all for the consumer. It has a whole bunch of negative effects such as what were seeing here while offering no positives at all to the paying consumer.
So who desverves more hatred: the DRM which offers negatives but no positives or the DRM which has negatives but offers positives as well ?
The problem with that reasoning is that you’re putting Steam (the platform with all the things you listed as benefits) and it’s DRM in the same bag.
You can have all that without the DRM.
Because there are DRM-free games on Steam.
The ‘limits’ Denuvo imposes, such as not being able to swap hardware a ridiculous and unrealistic amount of times, or the limit to install a Denuvo game on 5 computers max each 24 hours don’t pose an inconvenience to the vast majority of consumers.
No indeed, but in the long term, as DRM coding ages, it starts to function worse & worse, as we have seen time & time again with StarForce, SecuROM, etc. which aren’t even compatible with Windows 10, for example.
People keep saying “ah, but they could always remove it, eventually” – sure, except, nobody has taken those steps insofar, except for one, single, solitary case, (without counting the removals due to “cracked within 90 days, thus qualifying it for a full refund.”), so that argument is pretty much moot until such point in time as this practice becomes at the very least common.
As such, eventually, legitimate customers then find themselves forced to either dig through the Internet to find a working torrent &/or download link that features a crack, or they get to find some other kind of hack that’ll allow them to brute force their way through the aged, diseased, decaying DRM that’s no longer functioning properly, in the case that a crack doesn’t exist, &/or is simply not available anymore.
P.S. How can there be DRM-free games on Steam, if Steam itself is a DRM? Unless you mean 3rd party DRMs, in which case, absolutely, actually, most of Steam’s Library is [3rd party] DRM-free, but Steam itself has no guidelines &/or regulations against publishers including 3rd party DRMs on their products, unlike GOG.
You said that I am “A-OK with Steam” not me. I prefer DRM free such as GOG, itch, Humble (some of their stuff is but not all), etc.
You are correct that people don’t own any of the games in their Steam library. They rent them until the day comes that Steam decides they can’t have them anymore. That day may never come but that doesn’t mean it can’t. You’re not going to find me defending Steam here. However Steam’s shortcomings don’t excuse Denuvo’s shortcomings. If a person commits murder they don’t get a pass because other people in the world have murdered as well.
If you are not arguing in favor of DRM why are you getting so bent out of shape over those that are against it ? If we can agree that DRM doesn’t benefit any paying customer at all then how can we not agree it is bad ?
The point is I don’t see you, or anybody else for that matter, complaining about Steam DRM, but everytime Denuvo comes up, it’s BAD BAD BAD!
When was the last time that Steam prevented benchmarkers from benchmarking a game? Really, it’s a legitimate question that is relevant to the point you are trying to make.
That’s true, Steam didn’t do that. But the fact is that people were whining about Denuvo looooong before this news about benchmarking came out, all the way to 2014. How do you explain that?
Resident evil 7 was cracked, so denuvo said they gonna revamp their protection, this is the new version of denuvo, the revamped one…. imagine what the next one will be like.
An*l probing required, prober sold separately?
Nah you gonna have to get a id tag tattoed on your face.
So they ‘revamped’ it by not allowing you to change multiple CPUs? That sure sounds effective!
More like you can’t rely on CPU benchmarks because there won’t be any.
Yeah…0.1%….because these people do the benchmarks for themselves. Not all the other gamers out there who want to see if the game is worth buying or not. Go vote for Hillary.
lol what does Killary have to do with this? Nice argument there.
Whem was the last time you decided to buy a game or not based on CPU performance instead of GPU performance?
There’s a reason why the grans majority of gaming benchmarks use only 1 CPU and then swap a bunch of GPUs. Hint: Denuvo does not limit GPU swapping.
And here’s a question while we’re at it: if it weren’t for this multiple CPU swapping limitation, would you still hate Denuvo? Why?
Killary? Nice, that’s a new one O.o
Not really, it’s widely known she’s a warmongering c*nt.
Oh I agree, it’s just that I usually went for something, more…….
C*ntony. I’d never heard “Killary” before, but it’s a good one, even if rather obvious, which makes me wonder how I missed it until now.
LOL.
CPU performance is far more important than GPU performance. It has been since Kepler came out. That was the point at which yearly 50% increases of GPU power outdid the yearly 5% gains on the CPU front. Because you can turn down graphical settings to get a playable frame rate. But if a game is poorly optimized/threaded, it doesn’t even matter how much GPU power you throw at it, it’s still going to run like crap.
I don’t hate Denuvo because I haven’t personally had any issues with it. But it doesn’t mean I’m going to give them a pass when something as ridiculous as swapping CPUs prevents the game from launching comes up. There is absolutely no reason to defend Denuvo for preventing a game from launching because someone swapped CPUs unless you’re a bored contrarian.
I said to go vote for Hillary because people who seem to lack logic are her primary voting block.
“people who seem to lack logic”
“CPU performance is far more important than GPU performance”
Suuuuuure…
By the way you didn’t understand my question, so I’ll repeat it:
If it weren’t for this multiple CPU swapping limitation, would you still hate Denuvo? Why?
The creation of dx12 and Vulkan are a direct result of CPU power not being able to keep up with gpu power. Nice try. And as I said, if this problem didn’t exist, I wouldn’t have an issue. I don’t have a problem with denuvo in general. Only with certain things that may come up on occasion like this.
Ok, thank you for answering.
This isn’t exactly true because “Denuvo” isn’t just DRM, its Anti-Tamper as well which can cause this to happen…
And it doesn’t just effect pirates, although Single Player games with Denuvo as long as they keep Denuvo in there and refuse to remove it if I want to play it when it gets cracked at least ill get it free and not have to have Denuvo installed lol…
http://www.geek.com/tech/cd-projekt-proves-that-games-drm-is-a-complete-waste-of-time-1662434/ I like these developers who say DRM is useless and agree it creates a hastle for the legitimate customers.
Metastasis. Metastasis is the spread of cancer cells to new areas.
Gotta love people that complain about brand new graphically intensive games that run like crap on their 2-3 old, outdated mid range hardware.
“complain about brand new graphically intensive games”
4 -5 years in development, downgraded.
“run like crap on their 2-3 old, outdated mid range hardware.”
Ps4 is over 3 years old, the games dont run like crap there.
Other games run look and run better on high than how GRW looks and runs on low.
Therefore, GRW is unoptimized for low and mid range rigs but it is optimized for ps4 and even xbone
it’s Ubisoft, ploughing Ubisoft! course they’re gonna be arseholes
This game, in spite of all his flaws ( the biggest being another rinse’n’repeat Ubisoft title ), can be really fun at times and is one of the most gorgeous game ever produced.
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It’s irrelevant if you have to be online or offline. Even if you’re offline you still have to open the launcher and login. That’s DRM. Does Denuvo make you login somewhere? No.
Good point, but like I said, Steam is a trade-off, & one that an overwhelming amount of people are willing to accept.
Denuvo is just an unwanted installation that hinders your performance, & compromises your long-term ability to play a product you actually, legally already paid for, once the code begins to decay & it starts causing you problems a couple of OSs down the line.
Steam is not really a mandatory trade-off, because as I already stated, there are DRM-free games on Steam that once installed, you can launch without the DRM client.
If people are already accepting a DRM for the achievemts, trade cards or whatever, why do they care SO BLOODY MUCH about an extra DRM on top that doesn’t force you to take any extra steps? I would understand if it’s Tages (or Starforce 15 years ago), but Denuvo? What’s the actual problem with it?
And let’s worry about Denuvo preventing you playing a 15 year old game in 15 years, if it happens.
Yeah, but when’s the last time you saw an AAA game (which is still Denuvo’s primary market) with optional Steam Client launching? Exactly. It’s like how AAA games don’t do GOG for a few years, “because no DRM.” So, it’s basically mandatory, for anything that’s not indie, & one of those is more than enough, as it is.
Because it’s an extra DRM. It’s bloatware, it’s pointless, & there have been way too many bad rumours about it, not to mention how it affects modding (which is actually true, albeit, only in specific ways), etc. As far as your average person who actually cares is concerned, Steam is more than enough in regards to DRM.
Besides, like I said, a serious amount of, if not even most PC gamers would, given the choice, choose GOG over Steam, it’s just that, due to GOG being GOG, that choice isn’t presented to them very often, so they are instead forced to go with Steam, & its “optional” DRM. As such, Denuvo is seen as an unnecessary second DRM, & that’s simply not tolerable, period.
10 years, more like, if SafeDisk & SecuROM are any indication. Hell, even less, really; Steam’s version of Crysis (2007) still uses SecuROM, & Windows 10 broke that in 2015.
Sure, AAA doesn’t do DRM-free so people are forced to deal with Steamworks DRM because it’s not realistic to ask or demand those games to be released DRM-free, right? Ok, we’re in the same page there.
Still, people complain very vocally about Denuvo when, as far as I know, all the bad things they say about it, are pure garbage. The only real things are this new ‘can’t change multiple CPUs’ thing and the fact that you can’t modify the .exe (which is not something that prevents modding, at all) So you’re saying that all these people, all the way from 2014 are hating on Denuvo so much because it won’t let you modify the .exe file?
Even if it is an extra DRM and pointless from a consumer point of view, it’s non-invasive and doesn’t make you take any extra steps. Rockstar Social Club for example makes you manually validate your cdkey when first installing a Rockstar game from Steam, and then everytime you launch the game you have to login to their DRM. To top it off, good luck trying to launch GTA V in offline mode. To me, that’s much, MUCH worse than Denuvo, but somehow, you don’t hear people hating on it with that much passion.
And I recently finished Crysis Warhead (Steam) on Windows 10. It has SecuROM and had no issues at all.
Yup.
It partially prevents modding in certain specific ways, like if you want to create total conversion mods, last I heard. Other than that, no, they’re hating on it because it’s unnecessary bloatware, like I said. That, & because most people basically just hate DRM at this point hands down no matter what, due to the collective amount of bullsh*t they’ve had to suffer as a result of it over the years, I suppose.
Like, sure, you do make a good point about Denuvo’s non-invasiveness, but at this point, I just don’t think anyone cares anymore. As far as they’re concerned, it does nothing but take up hard drive space, all while [potentially] causing unwanted problems for legitimate customers, either now, or at some point down the line.
Besides, GTAV has that little “Cult of Rockstar” protecting them. You know how it is with the developer fanbases. “Blizzard can do no wrong!” “CDPR is God!” Bla bla bla, bla bla bla, bla bla bla. “Rockstar did GTA. GTA is glorious. Shut the f*ck up.”
Interesting to hear that about SecuROM. Did you have to download anything, or it just worked from the get-go? I was under the impression Microsoft was cockblocking SecuROM on Windows 10 entirely.
Good chat!
No, I just straight downloaded Warhead from Steam and it ran without a hitch. I can’t remember if it was before or after the Anniversary update, though.
Aha! Interesting point O.o
Good chat indeed ^^
Mass Effect Andromeda Uses Denuvo, but for some reason goo dluck finding that info online. Gotta search really hard. Denuvo = No Buy