Sony and Epic Games have been describing the PS5 SSD as something that high-end SSDs cannot come close to. In fact, Epic Games’ CEO, Tim Sweeney, claimed that the PS5 SSD is far ahead of anything that you can buy in any PC for any amount of money right now. Well, apparently he was wrong as there is already an SSD that is way faster than the PS5 SSD.
Enter Liqid Element LQD4500 PCIe 4.0 x16 SSD. This SSD is based on multiple Phison PS5016-E16 controllers (with a PCIe 4.0 x4 interface), featuring a custom firmware. And, in case you’re wondering, it can provide up to 24GB/s speeds, with up to 4M IOPS.
For reference, the PS5 SSD will provide up to 9GB/s speeds. So yeah, it won’t be the fastest SSD on the planet as some companies are presenting it.
Now obviously this SSD is not meant for you or me. This is an SSD for enterprises, and not for gamers. However, I want remind you Tim Sweeney’s comment.
“The PS5 SSD is far ahead of anything that you can buy in any PC for any amount of money right now.”
Well… nope. If money is no object, you can get a faster SSD on the PC. But then again, that wouldn’t make those lovely headlines. What Tim should have said was that the PS5 SSD is faster than any SSD PC gamers can afford right now. And he would be right.
All in all, we’re not saying that the PS5 SSD won’t be a beast. We are saying that people should not be over-hyping products. As simple as that.
LinusTechTips has benchmarked this SSD, so be sure to watch the video!
UPDATE:
Linus apologized to Tim Sweeney for his comments.
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Sony has, deliberately, avoided sharing the IOPS numbers of the PS5 SSD. Don’t expect them to be close to 4 million.
And anyway the 9gb/s ps5 ssd speed can also be surpassed by a pcie gen 3 ssd due to the limit of pcie gen 3 being 15.8 gb/s
No you can’t, unless you’re talking about running several of them in RAID, which is hardly a sensible comparison.
i was talking about dedicated pcie ssd that use the full x16 speed and not x4 speed like a gpu…
of course maybe im wrong and for some reason there is a reason nvme ssd are only x4 max
Show me all these PCIE 3 SSDs you have that can achieve that sort of speed. Sounds like you’re positively tripping over them in whatever fantasy land you’re living in.
i never said they existed,but potentially they can get there if they used the full pcie 3.0 x16 bandwidth the problem is that they are limited to x4 and also the nvme controller.
and pcie 4 can get up to 31.5gb/s at x16 speed potentially.
there is also i/o overhead and cpu to take into account.
next time read again before making assumptions
The way you worded it was very much as if that’s just a commonplace thing. But yeah, sure. That’s the theoretical max of that interface. Just like my internet’s theoretical cap is 250Mbps that I never see due to the servers that host everything being so slow. Shoulda woulda coulda is nice to think about, but when it comes to trying to argue a point all that matters is the here, now, and what’s actually possible.
Its a matter of time when even this ssd will get a consumer grade price
This is literally several thousands worth of PCIE4 SSDs running in conjunction. This is not going to be affordable anytime soon, it’s meant for industry.
before the console was even revealed….
pc gaming is always rapidly evolving.
They are just discovering SSD’s, imagine consoles as they are in the plankton stage of evolution while PC is already an hominid working with tools.
I mean, OK. Not that it really matters though because every game is still designed to operate off of a 5400rpm mechanical drive. All those years of advancement in the PC space have been more or less wasted…Just got a new PC with 2 fast M.2 drives with the HOPE that these new consoles push development forward to actually take advantage of that hardware.
What technological leap forward are you expecting that faster drives are going to allow, aside from shorter loading times? What can a game designed to work with fast SSD’s do that another game can’t?
LOL. I think the ONLY time when a console release was a little bit ahead of current PCs of that era was with the original Xbox launch. And even then it lasted very very little.
Screw ps5! Im happy with my 2 HDDs in raid 0 mode!
That’s utter trash compared to regular SATA SSDs which have been around for like a decade.
Thank you for sharing your infinite wisdom that everybody already knew all knowing Tavarish!
Yeah man, ignore Me. Obvious. I don’t Converse with that guy. Never knew he’d turn out to be such a dip$hit until I saw him on this forum user to be a cool dude to game with.
“The PS5 SSD is far ahead of anything that you can buy in any PC for any amount of money right now.”
I’m pretty sure you understood exactly what this meant.
But you still decide to post clickbait, comparing a singular PCIE4 SSD inside the PS5, to a custom board which runs multiple drives in parallel, which is meant for high end industry applications.
The PS5 SSD is set to be faster than even upcoming offers from Samsung which will release at the end of the year, that’s just because Sony are using a custom controller designed by their own engineering teams, optimized for the needs of games.
Little problem with that quote. There is nothing special about the PS5 SSD itself. It is just Sony’s version of a Gen4 NVMe SSD like all the others and runs at 5.5GB/s which is hardly “far ahead” especially with a 6.5GB/s SSD from Samsung and 7GB/s from Adata due at any time. They would already likely be out if it wasn’t for COVID-19.
The controller that is “special” has nothing to do with the SSD itself or how it works. It handles decompression on the other side of the pipeline. The 9GB/s is with MAX compression and isn’t very revolutionary but works off the same concept on why you would compress files into a ZIP or RAR before emailing them to someone.
Current 5GB/s Gen4 SSDs on the market will utilize the techniques Epic demonstrated just fine but by the time these techniques are actually being utilized in games, we will be on Gen 5 which will outperform the PS5 even WITH full compression (PCIe 5.0 = 16GB/s on 4 lanes) but will do so with all data rather than just those capable of being heavily compressed. It will help the PS5 with a bit of longevity but will not really have any impact on the tech industry and don’t see it being adopted outside of the console market. It is believed Intel might be planning to skip Gen4 altogether and go straight to Gen5 and all other SSD manufacturers have already mentioned they are developing Gen5 SSDs probably anticipating a short generation.
Nothing concept wise about what the PS5 is doing is “new.” The point is that it’s DOING it. And being the new lowest common denominator, it will actually be utilized. Ultimately, we can talk all day long about how our fancy PC hardware has been more advanced for ages. But none of it matters. Literally. NONE OF IT MATTERS. The only thing that has mattered is that consoles still use slow HDDs so games need to work with that. That’s it. That’s what’s important. Consoles switching over to, not only fast SSDs, but VERY fast SSDs is a huge deal. It will make everything better for everyone. And I don’t know why people on the PC side feel the need to come out of the woodworks and poo poo on everything just because they, what? Feel they weren’t given their due or something? I dunno. I don’t understand. And I’m a PC guy. Have been for years. I just want to see games get better. I don’t care WHAT hardware brings that along. If it’s a console, so what? And, not saying anything negative to you in particular Jason, sorry if it comes off that way. Just seems like so many PC fans are getting like butt hurt that “Oh no, PS5 is getting attention for something that we’ve had for sooooo long!!” And I’m just kinda like “So what???” We’ve had it for so long yet haven’t taken ANY realy advantage of it. Now we will. And that should be great news.
HERE WE GO AGAIN, its “ps4 has 8gb of GDDR5 ans its better than all your pcs” stupid sony pony fanboys not having any idea wtf they talking bout all over again.
It’s always like that and you know why i don’t argue with them? Because they forgot one little problem. HEAT!!! Those little boxes can only push so much power before they starts to overheat, therefor they can only go so far. In on the principle of heat alone the argument is over before it begins, that’s always been consoles problems, HEAT! They want a small box with lightning speed components not realizing that those components are GONNA HEAT THE FUQ UP, so you can only go but so far. But let them keep talking and speculating.
PC’s are light years ahead at this point and you and I both know that they are only as fast as those damn Developers will optimize us for. Because look at a lot of us that have NVME’s , they lod games only 2 secs faster than an SSD and all of a sudden that consoles are gonna use them now we are talking about speed of SSD’s, it’s one giant disrespectful sickening joke. We all know that when a game is developed just for PC, which is rare, things get really real, really quickly.
sony was like “We care about climate change so our new consoles will be environment friendly and use less power”
aka will be weak, already leaks say that it has problems and already has overheating problems.
Man this climate change garbage if people only knew. I use to work in the hydro industry after I left Microsoft. And buddy, let’s just say only people that works in the light/power industry knows how much of a scam all this environmental nonsense is. They always latch on to environmentalism when they want to proceed with the brainwashing. And all these tree huggers have no idea how much they’ve been manipulated. What Sony said I’d a load of BS but People will fall for it. But you’re an intelligent man. You heard “environmentally friendly”, and you immediately knew, “Less Power”. Its like the new fridges and washing machine, they are fuqing terrible.
“. And all these tree huggers have no idea how much they’ve been manipulated. ”
people have been manipulated since before they were born. To a point that most of the “counter culture” that was pushed funded and monetized by corporations.
Also yeah we all gonna die due to climate change but elites by miami beach front property.
Damn already roasting next gen without any mercy.
Like every start of generation… miracle product, with fantastic specs, the future is nooowww,.. sure. for 500usd and then crawling for fps in the first year with major stuttering. I believe this generation is going to be “better” than previous ones, with best down the road performance and better initial hardware, but nothing magic, is not free hardware and for 500usd you can expect certain things, not miracle things.
Timmy Tencent lied? that’s not new or surprising…
By 2024 at best, Xbox series x/PS5 consoles are going to be weak and new games are going to be downgraded. And this glorified ssd is not going to help.
I’ll say 2021 at best, AC Valhalla already confirmed at 30 fps
Games and the whole gaming industry becomes a very sad jock… it’s not about enjoying GOOD games in our free time… Playing “Metal Slug” or “Final Fight” give you satisfaction more than any of this new very expansive sh**.
2024? They’ll be weak by launch. Zen 3 and RTX 3000 will be out by then. A i5-10600K or Ryzen 4700X and RTX 3070 build will demolish both next-gen consoles. They’ll just be a better value at first is all.
Doesnt count, this is not a real SSD, but using 4 in RAID0.
There is no m.2 SSD at such speed on PC yet, its a fact.
It’s also using x16 PCI slot which… I mean, who the hell games on their PC with their graphics card in x8 unless they are in SLI?
Yeah its for TR and HEDT platforms.
On Mainstream Motherboards you have a single x16 or x8/x8
Yeah the only way to get 2, x16 slot is HEDT. And most people ain’t rocking an HEDT with bifurication on a x16 slot. A regular chip set ain’t providing that many Lane support.
TBF though, that’s not a single SSD/NVMe..
It’s not even just the hardware bottlenecks. It’s Windows that gets in the way too. So yeah you could take the hottest consumer grade SSD in the PC space and it still would not be as efficient as PS5’s or XSX’s SSDs because of all the bottlenecks present on PC. Eventually the hardware will brute force its way past that but we’re a ways off from that happening.
Buy both… A computer for multi tasking and a whatever console to play Fortnight 2
The new PS5/XBox both look very impressive- but once we get to “photo realistic” graphics than what? Better games?
Nah…
Just a FYI to DSO there is a way faster and cheaper solution for the PC, it’s odd Linus is using old tech especially when He tested it on a TRX40 mobo that is all GEN 4 with a lot of lanes?
So basically on any TRX40 mobo you can buy and do the following:
2x ASUS Hyper M.2 X16 PCIe 4.0 at Amazonfor $69 US
8x Seagate Firecuda 520 1TB PCIe 4.0 at Amazon for $249 , this has 5000 Mbps reads
Once you get this gear you basically move your GPU to a 8x PCIe Gen 4 slot and then use both Gen 4 x16 slots for the Hyper cards and set them to 4x4x4x4 for RAID0(hardware). This will house all 8 Gen 4 NVMe drives which are 5000 Mbps x 8 give or take. This set up would destroy what Linus has in that video. I have the same setup on My old Gen 1 TR 1950x and tested it with the Gen 3 NVMe’s(EVO 970 Plus) and the old Hyper M.2 add in cards and this config 100 percent works. Of course I don’t use that config but you can 🙂
Still that video is really cool but it is out dated and you can do way better. Also keep in mind this month the EVO 980s drop and they are even faster at 6500 Mbps. Still it’s a cool article and I agree the PC is already ahead of the PS5’s IO even if it is insanely more money to achieve on the PC LOL. Just imagine what the PC will have next year with Gen 5!?
hERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH USING something like the Hyper M.2, these things are solely for HEDTs (high end desktops). SO unless you have a xeon or threadripper MOBO, you can forget it because of that one little suker that it needs, BIFURCATION. And Bifurication is mostly only available on HEDTS. This where the reality comes in. Like always you have PC gamers always froughting over new tech and possibilities that only the 1-5% can afford. I have 4 NVME m.2’s in my system, @ 2TB each, NON-Raid. The only reason why i have these is because i wanted to have GOG, Steam & Other Launchers all on Separate 2TB drives. Got tired of swapping out games when I wanna play. And i know you know your stuff, that SCHITT gets pricey REAL FAST. One of my NVME’s cost more than a God DAMN console.
I would’ve loved to use the Hyper M.2 but when i rebuilt my system in late 2018, i didn’t think to Go HEDT system so this is where i got pissed off a month ago, because no Bifurication on a Asrock Z390 Tiachi, the cpu as you know is what determines all the lanes. BUt my next system will be a HEDT for sure, I hate the notion of having lanes not available to me because i’m using this slot over that slot. Was going to buy a PCIE riser card (Bifurcation) but that’s 299 for one of those suckers, just don’t think it’s worth it. DO you think it would’ve been worth it if i just eventually invest in a riser?
Yeah it really is a shame those Hyper cards need that damn bifurication else I am sure NVMe would probably be adapted even faster and take out even SSD by now since the price is getting real close. It be dope to drop in a Hyper card for everyone that has older and none HEDT configs and get the crazy speed or just really fast NVMe from your un used PCIe 16 and 8 slots. I totally agree Man, it is a shame HEDT only get that tech(well X570 and I think that new one will have it as well).
Very nice! Your systems sounds solid, damn 4x 2TB NVMe that is no joke respect. Crazy I do the same thing on My comp I hate mixing the launchers plus installs on a same drive too, it just seems better for some reason to separate them.
Sucks, you just missed all the cool stuff not that there is anything wrong with your build it’s just a shame you can’t get those Hyper cards for more room for NVMe’s.
Hmmm that is a tough question Man. Well it would totally put off your upgrade if you where waiting for PCIe Gen5 mobo but at the same note you got ask your self would you rather put that money already into a new build? At this point I would only get a Gen4 mobo if you want to upgrade now, else there is no point and you should just wait. Hmm I am staling… LOL, that money is a really solid new mobo but if you get the raiser card now and say a 3080 or 3080 Ti I think you could easily wait for mature Gen 5 mobo late next 2021 early 2022. Not sure that helps, just keep in mind really your gonna just be able to load in more NVMe’s into your comp and will not be able to use the faster Gen drives but maybe that is all you really want and to ditch reg SSD.
1 more thing. HEDT is amazing I won’t go back it really does let you do anything you want and not run out of options. I would totally wait for next year for the DDR5 and Gen 5 HEDT systems those are going to last a very long time and let you save up till then.
Yeah it really is a shame those Hyper cards need that damn bifurication else I am sure NVMe would probably be adapted even faster and take out even SSD by now since the price is getting real close. It be dope to drop in a Hyper card for everyone that has older and none HEDT configs and get the crazy speed or just really fast NVMe from your un used PCIe 16 and 8 slots. I totally agree Man, it is a shame HEDT only get that tech(well X570 and I think that new one will have it as well).
Very nice! Your systems sounds solid, damn 4x 2TB NVMe that is no joke respect. Crazy I do the same thing on My comp I hate mixing the launchers plus installs on a same drive too, it just seems better for some reason to separate them.
Sucks, you just missed all the cool stuff not that there is anything wrong with your build it’s just a shame you can’t get those Hyper cards for more room for NVMe’s.
Hmmm that is a tough question Man. Well it would totally put off your upgrade if you where waiting for PCIe Gen5 mobo but at the same note you got ask your self would you rather put that money already into a new build? At this point I would only get a Gen4 mobo if you want to upgrade now, else there is no point and you should just wait. Hmm I am staling… LOL, that money is a really solid new mobo but if you get the raiser card now and say a 3080 or 3080 Ti I think you could easily wait for mature Gen 5 mobo late next 2021 early 2022. Not sure that helps, just keep in mind really your gonna just be able to load in more NVMe’s into your comp and will not be able to use the faster Gen drives but maybe that is all you really want and to ditch reg SSD.
1 more thing. HEDT is amazing I won’t go back it really does let you do anything you want and not run out of options. I would totally wait for next year for the DDR5 and Gen 5 HEDT systems those are going to last a very long time and let you save up till then.
Yeah it really is a shame those Hyper cards need that damn bifurication else I am sure NVMe would probably be adapted even faster and take out even SSD by now since the price is getting real close. It be dope to drop in a Hyper card for everyone that has older and none HEDT configs and get the crazy speed or just really fast NVMe from your un used PCIe 16 and 8 slots. I totally agree Man, it is a shame HEDT only get that tech(well X570 and I think that new one will have it as well).
Very nice! Your systems sounds solid, damn 4x 2TB NVMe that is no joke respect. Crazy I do the same thing on My comp I hate mixing the launchers plus installs on a same drive too, it just seems better for some reason to separate them.
Sucks, you just missed all the cool stuff not that there is anything wrong with your build it’s just a shame you can’t get those Hyper cards for more room for NVMe’s.
Hmmm that is a tough question Man. Well it would totally put off your upgrade if you where waiting for PCIe Gen5 mobo but at the same note you got ask your self would you rather put that money already into a new build? At this point I would only get a Gen4 mobo if you want to upgrade now, else there is no point and you should just wait. Hmm I am staling… LOL, that money is a really solid new mobo but if you get the raiser card now and say a 3080 or 3080 Ti I think you could easily wait for mature Gen 5 mobo late next 2021 early 2022. Not sure that helps, just keep in mind really your gonna just be able to load in more NVMe’s into your comp and will not be able to use the faster Gen drives but maybe that is all you really want and to ditch reg SSD.
1 more thing. HEDT is amazing I won’t go back it really does let you do anything you want and not run out of options. I would totally wait for next year for the DDR5 and Gen 5 HEDT systems those are going to last a very long time and let you save up till then.
Yeah damn man, totally agree with everything you said. My problem was I had a i7 3770k Ivy bridge from 2012 to 2018 where my Titan X shorted and burned my mobo. So you know what that means, new mobo in a new gen, had to pretty much rebuild. So I rebuild in 2018, I figure I’ll mark this system for another 4-6 years is nothing blows out and by then I’m jump to a HEDT for my next system. Cause one you jump, you gotta replace everything. Gonna start putting money aside for the system, so once that 6 year is up I won’t be hurting.
But I needed to rebuild a system quick in 2018, so HEDTs were not on my mind. Now that I try to shove all the nvme’s in my system to make it nice and neat, THEN I realized that, “damn, I out grew regular systems and it’s time for HEDT”. It just feels good to have everything seperated, so if I wanna reinstall my OS, all I’ve gotta do is just reinstall the launchers. And… Nvme’s are sometimes cheaper than buying SSD’s when it comes to 2TB’s. I’m using 2 WD SN750 and 2 Sabrents. The Sabrents are the same as the WDs for 90-110 dollars cheaper, wished I had found Sabrents before I bought the rediculous A$$ priced WD’s. .. Anyways, enjoy that HEDT man, wanna be like you when I grew up ?
i think phison will release e18 e19 controller by the end of the year, we will see 8Gb/s on pcie 4.0 nvme.
You and I know that but the idiots they are hyping to, DOESN’T know that. 4k @60fps in that tiny box will EXPLODE. Heat has always been what holds a console back from true power. That’s why True power is ONLY on a PC. because it’s all about customization and throwing away thousands of dollars to run Schitty A$$ ports.
Sony console marketing has been nothing but lies for 3 generations now and people keep falling or it.
Can you explain the “lies” they’ve marketed?
PS3 120fps
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Damn, that is insane. Thanks for sharing these for I don’t remember them or never saw them.
It’s because it wasn’t Sony marketing, this is rumors and comments from outside sources.
Sony said in their 2005 conference that the PS3 would be able to do Native 1080P 120FPS in 120HZ.
It can, technically speaking. It has the bandwidth and the HDMI spec. They never promised any devs would use it.
I think they even said 4K, somethign like that…
None of this is sourced from Sony, these are all from outside sources.
Impressive
To be fair this is any of the corporate gaming companies today and since 2005. We are always being lied to. A lot of that seems to be quite fanboy though, complaining that features from a tech demo never made it into a game….really…imagine that…a tech demo, not becoming a game. Wouldn’t it be a game demo then instead of a tech demo? Tech demos are the art of the possible, not the every day and probable.
I won’t get sucked into the negative press anyway. The recent UE demo has got me hyped and the pressure is on Sony to leverage the PS5 to take advantage of the megatexture streaming functionality. I fear that that not every studio will get to grasps with it, but certainly I look forward to what the AAA studios do with this and also the brute force horsepower of the XBOX. Finally, there are some genuine benefits being born into the AMD GPU line-up as a result of the cooperation between Sony and AMD so everyone is a winner and hopefully with PCIE 4.0 and UE 5 my PC will also be able to take advantage of the NVME drive even better than it does now.
I guess what I am trying to say is that it feels like we are heading into a proper generational step up rather than an iteration – for all platforms, and that is good news for all customers of the electronic entertainment industry. 🙂
It’s about time. Games have looked pretty stagnant for the past 5+ years aside from a few exceptions.
Beautifully and succinctly said. It’s easy to get caught up in negativity. Honestly, with everything that is going on, its amazing that SONY is even trying to get PS5 out in 2020 when they could just lean on the PS4’s lead a while longer. Regardless of which box you buy, you will find something fun to play. Finally, as someone who grew up when the Atari 2600 VCS was a thing, I really appreciate how far consoles have come- and the PC space is even more amazing. Just try to have some fun with everything and realize that unlike other industries, computing is always dedicated to moving things forward- even when struggling. If only, say, the energy industry were as dedicated!
“Honestly, with everything that is going on, its amazing that SONY is even trying to get PS5 out in 2020 when they could just lean on the PS4’s lead a while longer.”
And lose customers to new Xbox. Seriously…
Yeah the Kutragi PS3 and previous era was pretty bad, but the Cerny and PS4 stuff is not lies. What is in your pic is mostly opinions by game devs and 1 opinion by Cerny himself. There are no lies in the PS4 section of your pic at all. Just opinions which are valid when coming from the game devs themselves, and not from Sony at all. You can’t take an game devs opinion and blame that on Sony. Those are just opinions from the game devs who were working on PS4 games at launch.
And Cernys statement on what games devs would be able to extract from the PS4 over the years is also true. He calls it a supercharged PC architecture and at the time of launch and from the PS4 consoles point of view it was. Read this article to see what Cerny meant by “Supercharged”. https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/154924-secrets-of-the-ps4-heavily-modified-radeon-supercharged-apu-design
And it is the PS4 GPUs ability to do compute with its “Asynchronous Compute Engines” (its ACE units) that Cerny was referring to in that statement on his in your pic. That is what he was talking about game devs getting more out of the PS4 ACE units as the years went by and they learnt how to use the PS4 properly. And he was right, they did get some amazing looking games out of the PS4 as the years went on, no lie there whatsoever.
And the Sony film/Sony music stuff has nothing to do with Cerny or the Playstation brand or Playstation division of Sony itself, that has no place in your picture of Sony Playstation lies, they are not connected to Playstation in the slightest, they are different divisions of Sony with different people in charge. Cerny and Playstation division has nothing to do with Sony Music or Sony Pictures.
And the Sony PSP type of advertising in your pic is not new and has been done by other companies before and since, and much much worse.
NVIDIA was well known to have payed people to go on forums and generate GPU sales by acting like members of the forums, and is one marketing BS tactic that I personally witnessed myself. We didn’t know who to trust for quite some time. They even gave trusted members of forums free hardware, with the members then promoting NVIDIA GPUs (and discrediting AMD) and encouraging purchases, while not disclosing said free hardware either, until caught. Bad times and much worse then the Sony PSP advertising.
The PS3 stuff is the Kutragi era and they were well known to talk the biggest load of bollocks. But Cerny himself so far has not resorted to those kind of lies. I find the PS3 and previous era guilty, but PS4 is innocent of the accusations.
And Sony or game devs saying that the PS5 SSD being faster then any SSD being available on PC for any money is true, if they weren’t aware of this SSD in Linus video. I had no idea until Linus video, they probably didn’t either, and Cerny likely meant average consumer SSD available for the home user, not enterprise kit.
So I deem your Sony lying for 3 generations now not true. I only find Kutragi years at the head of Playstation guilty, Cerny and PS4 is not guilty of your accusations, and I don’t think PS5 is yet either.
Oh yeah, here’s my favorite besides advertising 3D audio like it’s a brand new thing.
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Misleadingly advertising Killzone has practically become tradition at this point.
Having a dedicated unit for audio is a new thing, and frees up additional CPU for other things.
Ever heard of a sound card?
Ever saw a console with a sound card? Nope.
Actual older consoles of the 8-bit/16-bit era had dedicated sound chips. Now the PS5 will again with the Tempest audio processor.
This is true, and some of them had pretty banging audio. The SNES in particular really sounded nice.
These days, most consoles sound pretty bad. The Gamecube was pretty good, the PS3 surprisingly good, but the XB1 was horrific and the PS4 is just O.K. at best.
its not audio processor! it is just DSP
The Tempest audio is basically a mini GPU used to compute HRTF for 100s of sound sources. It should be awesome.
its not audio processor! it is just DSP
digital signal processor dumb a*s its used as a audio processor
Soundcards are a new thing that Sony created yes, everyone knows that.
what. It’s additional CPU processing for sound in games. All of this is before the sound card does it’s thing.
its nothing more than rebranded AMD Trueaudio 2.0. also it can’t work outside headphone gimmick without paying royalty to Dolby Laboratories or DTS or investing in own audio codec
plenty of lies here
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None of this is Sony marketing, but instead other companies have said. You do see the difference, right?
The only things NOT-Sony in that image are some of the quotes in the upper right concerning Watch Dogs (Ubisoft). As for the other games, Killzone series, Last of Us series and Driveclub, Sony was their publisher.
Point me to a piece of this that is Sony? I’m seeing Epic, IBM, magazines, nothing from Sony themselves.
Here’s 2 for you
Official Playstation You Tube Channel, Bottom right showing PC gameplay andclaiming it’s PS4
Just above that to the left, Official Playstation Tweet claiming MInecraft will be a PS4 launch exclusive.
Took mere seconds to spot those two, and you coudn’t find one, because you didn’t want to find one. I know XBox, and Nintendo have spouted just as many lies, and the only reason PC does not, is because their’s not a single company that owns the PC.
So, first, Minecraft was an exclusive to the PS4 for a long time. That was truth.
Also, most games shown are running on PC, because the PC version is usually the version that is up and running first. Once marketing campaigns begin the console versions generally aren’t even operational/able to be shown. This isn’t new and isn’t something that only Sony does. It is just how the industry has to work out the technical issue of it not physically working yet in order to begin marketing.
Please, keep trying.
“Exclusive to the PS4 for a long tIme.” That was NOT Truth, it’s a blatant lie.
Minecraft Releases
PC Java Classic (Alpha) 17 May 2009, and PC Full Release v1.0 on 18 Nov 2011.
First Console release was XBox 360 on 9 May 2012, and XB1 on 5 Sept 2014.
Second Console release was PS3 on 17 Dec 2013, and PS4 on 4 Sept 2014, a day before the XB1
Wii U 17 Dec 2015, Switch 11 May 2017.
So it was on XBox over 18 months before it even appeared on PlayStation, so under no circumstance could it be ever claimed as a “Console Exclusive”.
Even if you restrict it to this gen, which is already wrong when talking about exclusivity, a mere 24 hours is not “For a long time”, it’s just a staggered release schedule.
Exclusive my ar*e
Source: Minecraft – Console versions – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft#Console_versions
This shows your fanboy tendencies at their worst, going down a lying exclusive path to reach an easily disproved, and ineffectual rebuttal, because your correct rebuttal, is also in that article.
“The PlayStation 4 version was announced as a launch title, though it was eventually delayed.”
IF you’d used that defense, I’d have found it reasonable, but it still doesn’t wash away the second point.
The problem with using the PC footage, is it was not made clear, under the title:
“A New Age For Games on PS4 System”
Their was no disclaimer stating “Footage taken from PC”, because PlayStation were trying to pass off PC footage, as the PS4 one, and got caught out with their misleading marketing.
They all know how to make these disclaimers, and nobody accuses them of being misleading, when they are used.
All major Corporations go down this path of lies, and misleading statements about their products, XBox is no better, or worse than PlayStation
do you not remember the killzone e3 trailer? lol
It was always pushed as a target, not actual gameplay.
do u always use fallacy just like this in your conversations? sony lies and no fallacy reasoning can change it.
Which fallacy would that be?
They haven’t or there would have been class action lawsuits. He’s just pulling stuff from third parties and calling it Sony marketing.
Lies or not, TLOU2 is the best looking game I’ve ever seen… ¯_(?)_/¯
You need to replace those glasses
Tell me a game that looks technically better, for what it’s trying to achieve, than TLOU2. Not counting any of the many games that exist beautifully built from an artistic standpoint of course. Like, I still think Journey looks amazing, but for different reasons. In the realm of “We want to create a highly realistic game world” there is nothing that outclasses it.
In terms of characters, yes, it’s the best. Apart from that, Metro Exodus is a good example of a game that’s more impressive in certain aspects.
TLOU2 uses baked lighting and stuff like that, and the environments from the demo didn’t always look that good. You can make out it’s baked. It’s clearly a current gen game is what I’m saying.
I mean, every current game is clearly a current gen game lol. I’m not saying it looks like some impossible feat brought to us by aliens. Just saying I think it’s the best looking thing I’ve seen currently. GRANTED, I haven’t spent any time personally with Metro Exodus. So I don’t have much to honestly argue there. But I will say character modeling is very important to this type of game. And that’s an aspect that I KNOW something like Metro is lacking in. Ultimately games are a sum of their parts. You’re never gonna have all the parts be perfect. But I feel like TLOU2 gets closest to having all the boxes checked. I’ll check out Metro after Ampere releases because I’m waiting to play the RTX titles til then.
killzone shadowfall looks better
Red Dead Redemption 2, Metro Exodus
Highly realistic world of tranny mcspanky killing interacial lesbians and mushroon zombies with poorly textured walls.
You don’t play many games do you?
That’s because you’re living in Sony fanboy bubble, you filthy peasant.
I’ll say the same thing I said to the others. Show me a game that looks better. And I’m not in a “Sony fanboy bubble.” I play on PC as well. Still not anything better looking. And most recently I’ve been playing Gears 5, Forza Horizon 4, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, The Witcher 3, and the first Hellblade. All on PC hooked up to my 4K TV. NONE of them look better than TLOU2. And in compressed Youtube video, no less. So again, tell me what looks better. I’ll wait.
lol he games on PC but he has it hooked up to TV yeah i dont see anything wrong with that stop clowning fool do you think that cutscenese and mo-cap equals good graphics? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/73796caa3d8576fefdfb77e596d84ec910c83d0683212b065fb7812af25f9294.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f2abed16995d73b0c7ba634321c0a8a19bafadfa3057cff55cfe6ca5da7009a.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a91c6db81af73ef6d3354eae75435995141590b2bf14309db9b4242cdc720d25.jpg
“but he has it hooked up to a TV”
Tell me about the 1440p (IF that…) Amazon special you have your jerry rigged system hooked up to before posting screenshots released by publishers/GPU mfrs… One of those shots BTW, featuring some of the worst looking hair seen in a game. You’re nuts if you think RE3 looks as good, let alone better than TLOU2. And, RDR looks, GREAT. But it doesn’t have that ultra fine level of detail that TLOU2 has. Which is to be expected. It’s a huge open world title being unrealistically compared to a tight, linear narrative. Of course the tight game looks better.
how can the best looking game have PS2-PS3 level textures https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/332afc2b29a831f8697332317395e3105562b2768952d0a14f88135e613450c1.jpg
Um, when’s the last time you looked at a PS2 game……
very recently it’s called emulation
and either way those arent current gen textures. how hard is it to make good looking environmental textures it’s not like the game is pushing any heavy tech lol no raytracing no 4k no 60 frames no game works physx no hair works nothing just a generic game with garbage textures why is is 20-30 frames ?
Obviously never.
Isn’t this The Last of Us? That game was made for PS3, while the Cell was fast CPU, it only had 256MB of VRAM. Obviously the textures weren’t high res.
no this is the last of us 2 with SH## textures
RTX logo on a RDR2 screenshot??
yeah it’s being played on a RTX card
The game isnt out yet but you’re claiming its the best looking game (trailer) you’re ever seen..smh https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7f6058b94ae41fe3f92939526b22297135fde887546178dec6e568ef0971cfae.gif
Shouldn’t sound any different than Xbox fans holding up a single trailer (Hellblade 2, which may or may not even be representative of a real game) as their one saving grace. At least I’ve got a ton of gameplay footage to base that statement off of. And yeah, based off of the GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE that I’ve seen, which is a good bit now since the state of play event, it’s the best looking game I’ve ever seen. And again, that’s judging from a compressed Youtube stream. It’ll look better live and in person.
Who’s making an Xbox comparison? This is a PC website. There’s no such thing as a game that looks better on any console when you can scale up PC games.
That game isn’t even out and so far all you have seen is perfectly crafted marketing materials.
how can the best looking game have PS2-PS3 level textures
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/194acb23f6c0a3998ec7c4f816ca1ef19e92995c5d0653b6eae681220b172d4f.jpg
VHS 2020
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I f*king hate Microsoft but the extent of their lies is running games advertised and showcased as being played on consoles, actually being ran on a PC and “THE POWER OF THE CLOUD”.
They never lied about having the best exclusives tho..
That’s what it’s about in the end.
Believe it or not Killzone PS4 uses Ray tracing lol
Do the research
I don’t even know where to start with the amounts of wrong present in your comment.
Load your cancerous agenda filled PlayStation exclusives instantly on PS5.
Gotta love how as soon as a franchise tries to include some different types of characters (As if every human in the world ISN’T a strong white male protagonist) the rednecks gotta seek light from their trailers yelling about some “agenda.” It’s called inclusion A-hole…. And I have yet to be spoiled on the game yet so I won’t read whatever idiotic, hate filled, spoilerific responses you come up with.
Yeah, Inclusive Therapy. That’s what that is, A-Hole. The problem with people like you is that you are very disingenuous. So much that you won’t admit when something is a clear bait and switch. They basically had an agenda from the beginning and the way they went about it was to gain the fans and then switch that $hcitt up so fast it makes your head spin. Listen you A-Hole, why does our entertainment have to be “inclusive” all that means is that everything is one giant experiment. You are a scum-fool for denying what’s right in front of you. Even if i was of the alternative lifestyle i would still see that this is a blatant bait and switch and that it’s not gonna lend people of that lifestyle any favors.
The best example is, I’m black and all i get to see is a bunch of white people write stories and video games to make other white people hate the crap out of us. Why i say this, cause everytime a black person shows up in any form of medium there is always that white crowd to say see, “affirmative action or An AGENDA”, then blacks get blamed for this foolishness, when BLACKS ain’t the ones that own the studio, wrote the script or made the bloody game or movie. A backlash that WE didn’t invite. The same thing is happening here with Last Of Us 2, It;s virtue signaling AT IT’S FINEST and it pisses people off.
But i don’t give a Rats about that game cause the same fools complaining are the same idiots buying it. But you are you are the worst of them all. The Last Of Us 2 is pure BAIT & Switch, it was designed to have people like you call everyone a “redneck or an alt-right” because they criticize the game. I bet you’ve never even met a Damn redneck because it ain’t got a damn thing to do with racisms. You’re just a BUM!!!
Criticizing a game is one thing. Referring to a switch to a lesbian female lead “cancerous” is homophobic and prejudiced. And literally nothing you said helped to dissuade my thoughts. It all just sounds like anger due to a mix up in the characters you play as. You can’t handle that you’d be controlling a character other than the typical and frankly, boring, at this point strong male white guy. The thought of that guy not being the hero does not compute with you or the (depressingly) MANY other people that share your mindset. It’s sad. And I hope you guys can grow as people to accept others. I don’t have HIGH hopes for that. But I do have hope.
“You can’t handle that you’d be controlling a character other than the typical and frankly, boring, at this point strong male white guy.”
So let me get this straight because a character is all those things it’s boring? Damn, what a load of garbage. So in your world a character is only fun based on its sexuality or lifestyle? You really are a dumb one. I can’t even begin to try and dissect that nonsense you just spewed. You’re not a very serious person, you are just here to ways peoples time. I’ll leave you to it. I’m a 37 year old black man and I’ve never one during a gaming session wondered, “hmmm, I wonder what sexuality my character is”. ? You’re a new kind of stupid. Get help!
That’s actually not all that I look at, as a 33 year old black man. But I’m also not going to act like the game isn’t worth experiencing either way. You say I’m the one that needs help. Yet you are the one swearing off the game for an insignificant reason. Not me. I’ll be fine no matter who I’m playing as. But for you playing as little gay Ellie seems to be a big affront…
The last of us is a post apocalyptic zombie game .. instead of continuing this story the last of us 2 tells us a story that could take place anywhere anytime in any setting because someone thought it was a good idea to insert politics into a game with a large fan base in order to spread progressive ideology (and i’m not against progressive ideology as a whole but i don’t want it to be the main focus in A VIDEO GAME about a POST APOCALYPTIC WORLD INFESTED WITH MUSHROOM ZOMBIES)
i can’t explain why people are upset without spoilers .. i’ll try:
What if someone decides to make a LORD OF THE RINGS sequel and this time it’s not about magic, Sauron and epic battles, this time it’s basically a remake of brokeback mountain, the love story between Gandalf and some orc/elf/hobbit.
It’s not rly lord of the ring is it ?! if u wanna make this movie then don’t call it a Lord of the rings sequel ..
In TLOU, very much like The Walking Dead, the Zombies are simply there as a catalyst. TLOU is about the characters, the relationships between these people. It’s a character study set within an apocalypse. The catastrophe is definitely not the main draw of the game.The entire final act of the first game you’re not dealing with a single clicker. You’re saving Ellie from other humans. TLOU is about Joel gaining a replacement daughter and learning to love her. And TLOU2 picks up with that daughter being grown up and taking the reins. Saying that TLOU is simply “A video game about a post apocalyptic world infested with mushroom zombies” is greatly missing the point of that game.
“In TLOU, very much like The Walking Dead, the Zombies are simply there as a catalyst. TLOU is about the characters”
This is almost exactly what i was going to say but i decided it’s better if i leave that part out and try to make my point without going into details.
The Walking Dead, the telltale games and the tv series are very similar in this way but TWD never explained how the zombie apocalypse began, where the virus came from (i think the writer said “space spore” in a tweet idk if he was kidding) .. so TWD was always about the people, they always had a main villain .. always a human.
The last of us is about the relationship between ellie and joel (but that’s oversimplifying) it’s also about the fireflies about finding a cure this is why ellie and joel are traveling together this is the reason why joel decides to help ellie find the fireflies.For most of the game, untill they develop a father/daughter relationship this is joel’s(and ellie’s) character motivation .. getting to the fireflies and maybe finding a cure.
Some story elements like this plot device are a bit specific and have to be used in this kind of setting/universe, as i understand in TLOU2 most of these story elements are ignored (i could insert a few spoilers here just to make a point but i won’t..) the character motivations become very simple and it’s something that’s been overused .. the story could take place in any universe the game doesn’t have much to do with it’s name besides the gameplay. (prepare to have your expectations subverted)
“TLOU is about Joel gaining a replacement daughter and learning to love her. And TLOU2 picks up with that daughter being grown up and taking the reins.”
This is what i was expecting and i think this is what most people wanted (more last of us 1) BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT TLOU2 IS ABOUT.
So far, this is the most complete and coherent argument that I’ve heard as to why the game is disliked. Everyone else is literally screaming about women being injected into their male power fantasy. Even though you make a potentially valid point, I’ll be willing to assess the story and its merits or otherwise after I actually play the game. If it’s poorly done or whatever, then we will see. But even in terms of your argument, I could never go that far to condemn a work simply based off of some plot points. That would be like if I read the description on the back of a book and said “well this is BS” and put the book down. There’s a lot to be said for context. So even with the leaks happening, it would still be wise to withhold judgement until seeing the whole thing. It could make more sense as a whole work. It could also not make more sense. We’ll just have to wait and see.
it was a switch though, neil druckman kicked amy henning out and changed the dlc to make ellie a lesbian then changed the story in uncharted 4 even put a black woman beating the rap out of everyone and now everyone who has read the tlou 2 leaks is facepalming at the absurdity of it.
Just admit/accept when you’re wrong and move on ..
Obviously u didn’t play the first game .. so you have no idea what you’re talking about, i’m inclined to call u a TROLL.
“Referring to a switch to a lesbian female lead “cancerous” is homophobic and prejudiced”
1) No one said that !! he didn’t even use the words “lesbian” or “female” u did that .. what is wrong with you ?! cancerous agenda .. he’s talking about the the insertion of politics in video games read the leaks watch the clips if you can find em you’ll see why some people are upset.
2) There WAS NO SWITCH. In the FIRST GAME Ellie had at girlfriend RILEY. SO:
a) u don’t know this because u didn’t play the game. You’re just talking BS and virtue signaling.
b) Or you do know but you’re ignoring this fact in which case you’re trolling and virtue signaling /CLAP nicely done now you’re a proper SJW here’s you’re badge of virtue signaling ?
I can’t wait for you to replay and deconstruct my arguments ( NOT RLY .. i know you’re just gonna ignore everything i said change the subject and insult me)
I most certainly played the first game as well as the DLC. Like I said, I’m not trying to seek out spoilers as they never are able to encompass the story as a whole. Rather, they capture singular points. So yeah, I’m not gonna read any leaks or watch any clips because in ANY form of media, that’s a terrible way of forming an opinion of that work.
I’m going to go off on a bit of a tangent here, but bare with me. Imagine if you were told some singular story elements of The Matrix. You were told “You know, at the end, Neo is the one, and he comes back to life, and he kills Agent Smith and Tank kills Cypher! AND, Neo can FLY!!!” You’ve just had a bunch of singular elements of that story ruined, BUT it does not mean you’ve experienced The Matrix. Knowing those points do not suddenly invalidate the entire picture. So, first point I wanted to make is that these leaks that exist are dubious at best. Full context is very important to a story, particularly one told over the course of 20 or so hours…
And, moving on, sorry to break it to you, but any variation of the phrase “insertion of politics” or “agenda” when it comes to stuff like this is almost always people being prejudiced but trying to sound smart about it. It’s the same thing as “I’m not racist, buuuuuut…..” So I’ll ask you, to not necessarily accept that you’re “wrong” but ask yourself a question. If Ellie were swapped for Joel, or hell, if Ellie were straight. Would this be a conversation? I honestly would like for you to really answer that question. And, while I know it won’t, in your mind, the answer to that question should show what I’m getting at.
“I most certainly played the first game as well as the DLC.”
BUT u didn’t know about Ellies girlfriend ?! how is that possible or did u ignore this fact ?! ANSWER ME !! don’t change the subject.
“So yeah, I’m not gonna read any leaks or watch any clips because in ANY form of media, that’s a terrible way of forming an opinion of that work.”
YOU CAN FIND THE WHOLE STORY IF YOU WANT and about 1 hour of gameplay.
“any variation of the phrase “insertion of politics” or “agenda” when it comes to stuff like this is almost always people being prejudiced”
You’re projecting ..
Like you’re being now ?! you’re assuming i’m a “redneck”, against everything u believe in. You’re assuming i’m a homophobe a racist .. YOU DON’T KNOW ME but you assume that because it make u feel good, makes you feel like you’re better that most people idk what cult you’re in but TRY TRY TO GET OUT.
“If Ellie were swapped for Joel, or hell, if Ellie were straight. Would this be a conversation? I”
100% fans don’t like it when a character/plot is changed for POLITICAL REASONS i wouldn’t like it, you wouldn’t like it and many
other people would have something to say about this.
I don’t want a male Lara Croft or Aloy .. just make something NEW ORIGINAL new characters now story don’t deconstruct (destroy change) existing ones that people love.
btw : i haven’t heard of a female character being gender swapped can u point out a few ?!
“If Ellie were swapped for Joel, or hell, if Ellie were straight. Would this be a conversation? I”
I’m more and more convinced u never played the first game
1) u didn’t know that ellie had a girlfriend
2) u don’t seem to know that in the first game u play as BOTH CHARACTERS.
I already played as ellie in the first game OF COURSE i wanna play as Ellie in the second game that’s what most people were expecting from a sequel but the problem is that you think FEMALE LEAD is a SELLING POINT for this game this is WRONG and sexist.
ELLIE as a lead is a selling point for this game because shes IS AN INTERESTING CHARACTER all you people see is GENDER and COLOR and sexual orientation you don’t CARE about a good plot/story or well written characters all you care about is the politics and as a gamer i say F THAT.
All that a gamer wants is a GOOD STORY with ENTERTAINGING GAMEPLAY and maybe some noice graphics.
I’ll say one more time, yes I played the first game. I am fully aware of who Ellie is. Which is why I’m so confused as to why so many people seem to be upset. You know that Ellie is a main part of this world. You know that Ellie is a GAY main part of this world. I have ZERO problem with her being the main character. Yet YOU ALL seem to. I’M not the one concerned with gender and color and sexual orientation. YOU GUYS ARE. You could give me a new TLOU starring Caitlyn Jenner and I’d be down with no complaints. I’m not trying to push for any change or activism or whatever. I’m just pushing against the people that see a different person as the primary lead and act like somebody assaulted them. And, yeah, talking about not wanting political agendas yada yada yada and then saying you just want a good story. Like, bro, have you ever stopped to think that maybe you WILL get a good story if you stop trying to punish the effing game before it’s even out??? Everyone is trying to label this thing as this and that and NOBODY has played it. So, yeah, for that reason it certainly comes off as prejudiced and all the other bad words. Because it LOOKS a whole lot like people are seeing a gay chick as the primary character and freaking out as a result. Who knows, maybe I’m missing something. But that’s definitely what it looks like.
“I’ll say one more time, yes I played the first game”
ok let’s say i believe you then why did u write this ?
“Referring to a switch to a lesbian female lead”
What switch ?! THERE WAS NO SWITCH and no one except for YOU used this word “switch”. You are the only one here claiming that Ellie was “switched to a lesbian”.
Did u troll ?! are u lying about playing the game WHICH ONE ?!
Did u finish the game ?
I think u just watched a few clips on youtube.
Explain to me then, in plain english, without spoilers and without buzzwords why people are so mad. Don’t say “the political agenda” or anything like that because those are BS excuses. If it involves spoilers, I’d just ask you to please not answer. And I’m trying to have a legit discussion here. And for the last time, I played the damn game lol. Like I said I don’t understand why it’s a shocker and seemingly a turn off for so many people. Also, if I didn’t play the first game, why would I be so worried about spoilers??? lmao
See now you’re CHANGING THE SUBJECT.
TELL me: why did u claim ellie was straight in the first game and then ” switch to a lesbian”
ADMIT THAT U EITHER DIDN’T PLAY THE GAME OR JUST TROLLED AND I’LL CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION.
There’s no point in talking to you if u can’t admit this.
I never said that dude. I said the primary playable character is switching from Joel, a straight male, to Ellie, a gay female. I never said Ellie switched… Ellie was playable for like a 40 minute segment in the first game. She was never the main protagonist. Also, many people only played the main game and don’t know that Ellie is gay. That’s what I’m saying. People seem mad that instead of being Joel for the bulk of the game, we’re now Ellie for the bulk of the game. AND a lot of those people I guess are finding out for the first time that she is gay. Like I said. I knew and I don’t care. I’m pumped the game no matter what. I think you just misunderstood where I was coming from.
“I think you just misunderstood where I was coming from.”
50% of this is true i was 50% wrong.
If some people are angry that Ellie is the main character i agree that’s ridiculous.
I think most people don’t care about that (anyone who played the first game should expect her to be the main character in a sequel)
I don’t think that’s why people are upset tho, the problem is that the story was influenced by anita sarkeesian from very early stages of development (this is a FACT idk if u can check it without finding a few spoilers but trust me it’s true).
In this game political correctness isn’t just a filter for a few characters or a few dialog lines in tlou2 everything is influenced by this, characters and their decisions, motivations EVERYTHING.
Thank you for being big enough to even admit being half wrong. That displays more thought than what most of these responses have been. I feel like we ultimately feel very similarly. And I agree, people being upset with Ellie being the main character is absolutely ridiculous. And guess what? That is exactly what MANY people are mad about. Just read through the comments in this thread. The level of the “No girls allowed in the clubhouse” mentality being displayed is baffling to me. And also, I’ve mentioned this in another comment, but judging the story as a whole based off of some specific details leaked is a bad move. You can’t read a couple of details and expect to have the entire scope of a 20hr-30hr game.
Playing as a female isn’t why people are so pissed, its WHY they chose the main to be a female. Plenty of games come out with female leads and despite probably being worse off for it, it doesn’t get this kind of attention
They built that game from the ground up to be about gender and homosexuality at the behest of Anita Sarkisian. There’s a lot more to those story leaks than just ‘muh Joel got replaced by a whaman’.
If making Ellie a lesbian wasn’t a political move that they knew people didn’t care about nor would appreciate diluting the first game, then why did they segregate it to a terrible DLC?
“any variation of the phrase “insertion of politics” or “agenda” when it comes to stuff like this is almost always people being prejudiced but trying to sound smart about it”
So what was Black Panther then? Was it really the greatest movie of all time according to the critics? Or was there an agenda that prevented critics from giving it poor reviews?
Also, why did you go on a tangent to explain what a spoiler is? You come off as having some serious Asperger’s or something.
So you can’t enjoy a character if its a ‘boring, straight white male’ at this point, and you’re calling us bigoted?
“The best example is, I’m black and all i get to see is a bunch of white people write stories and video games to make other white people hate the crap out of us. ”
gta sa?
“The best example is, I’m black and all i get to see is a bunch of white people write stories and video games to make other white people hate the crap out of us. Why i say this, cause everytime a black person shows up in any form of medium there is always that white crowd to say see, “affirmative action or An AGENDA”, then blacks get blamed for this foolishness, when BLACKS ain’t the ones that own the studio, wrote the script or made the bloody game or movie. A backlash that WE didn’t invite”
Guess who did?
Developer(s) Naughty Dog
Publisher(s) Sony Interactive Entertainment
Director(s)
Neil Druckmann
Anthony Newman
Kurt Margenau
Designer(s)
Emilia Schatz
Richard Cambier
Writer(s)
Neil Druckmann
Halley Gross
Man thats alot of jews. No wonder they make white christians the bad guys.
“. I bet you’ve never even met a Damn redneck because it ain’t got a damn thing to do with racisms.”
ironically the “fly over states” where all the rednecks are have less racism and blacks there talk and behave exactly like white rednecks.
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Thanks. You just proved my point. *Thumbs Up*
Let’s act like focusing the game on somebody DIFFERENT is somehow something to be mocked. You guys are real class acts…
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OOOOHHH, You’re getting mad aren’t you????!!! Good.
why would i be mad at someone clowning themselves online? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a2813cfb26f1f680a03a3c5b67d2af1cdc46edea3035143edaa92afff08ba78.jpg
Hey man I’m not clowning myself at all. I’m not the one setting myself up to look like some bigot at a time where the country is going through massive change. Good luck with that super narrow life view. Because real soon it’s gonna be looked REAL down upon…
“I’m not the one setting myself up to look like some bigot” and how did you come up with that? it sounds like your insecure buddy if your feelings are easily hurt i advise you to stay offline https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/445993f8a8b5d5276edf2bd2d2d304c2e870094c5a9d415e53bb54e7156727df.jpg
I didn’t have to “come up” with anything. There are people right in front of me essentially saying it’s wrong to be gay, it’s wrong to be female. And we don’t want any of that sh*t in our entertainment. That’s called BIG-O-TRY for those still learning certain vocabulary words….
Being gay, whether you like it or not, is a biological error. That doesn’t mean they’re bad people, but it does mean that they have biological deficiencies that were unintended by nature.
Do you really think gays will be around in 50-100 years when Crispr allows parents to selectively choose their child’s attributed before birth?
“at a time where the country is going through massive change”
1. This site isn’t American.
2. Your country isn’t going through a massive change. Massive riots triggered by your race-baiting media are an election cycle staple. Every 4 years American black people burn down their own neighborhoods which are already controlled by Democrat politicians, collect criminal charges to ruin their chances at a career, then vote 90% Democrat and nothing changes until 4 years later the ritual is repeated.
3. I simplified #2, actually there’s that whole “mid-term” thing in the US so there are lesser riots in-between the major ones. The next moderate riots will be 2022, the next big riots will be 2024. Enjoy your MASSIVE CHANGE.
What change? Nothing is new under the sun. Bigot has become a meaningless term and blacks are burning down ghettos for like the 5th time in the last 50 years. I’d adjust your world view if I were you because you’re looking real outdated.
here is a game with a main character being a white male
sjws take over
lets kill the main character and replace him with some feminist woman who is either lesbian or black
This is like a carbon copy for every franchise sjws take over
Examples mad max furty road is a furiosa movie and the producers admitted they shoved feminism in there, next movie will about a furiosa prequel
ghostbusters in 2016, removed all male characters and turned them into women
ocean’s 8 all female movie
Lord of the Flies with all female characters which makes no sense
upcoming all female fast and furious movie
wolfenstein young blood, kicked the main character of the series out and shoved 2 annyoing girls in it
uncharted lost legacy staring 2 poc women
dishonored 2 had the option, dishonored death of the outsider gave you a crippled black lesbian woman
xcom had the choice to make your own character, the last game throws at you a diverse group of aliens and short hair buzzcut women.
its almost a meme at this point “announcing our new character in the series a strong female androgenous woman who needs no man and has a man face adn short hair”
And? Why does that threaten you so much? Why does it offend you so much? We’ve had strong male lead after strong male lead for basically the ENTIRETY of entertainment’s history. Film, Books, Video Games. They’ve been totally male dominated since decades before most of us were born. So you’re telling me that, keeping in mind women like to buy this stuff too you know, letting some women star in some franchises for a change is somehow “bad” or “hurting” you?? You just sound super ignorant and prejudiced. Waving your fist around screaming “Get yer girls outta my action game!!!” Grow up…
And, for the record, Ghostbusters 2016 was not bad because it had an all female cast. It was bad because it was poorly written and poorly directed….. *eye roll”
stupidity offends me not this.
“And, for the record, Ghostbusters 2016 was not bad because it had an all female cast. It was bad because it was poorly written and poorly directed….”
after using this argument for every godamn movie that went woke, speaking of which all female terminator movie, forgot about that one….”oh that was one bad movie”……birds of prey “oh come on you cant possibly” DUDE EVEN STAR WARS SUCKS, not to mention star trek.
BUT HEY THAT WAS JUST ONE THING, i am sure this time it will be done right, HOLD ON, what were we talking about? OH YES THE LAST OF US, so what was the reaction to the last of us leaks in the internet?
1.amazed?
2.crying
3.deriving pleasure that the game was spoiled?
NO MOCKERY RIDICULE, BECAUSE ITS CRINGE.
“You just sound super ignorant and prejudiced. ”
MEL:every time sjws take over something they turn men weak and women masculine and make all the characters ugly and put token non white and gay characters everywhere and its always cringe.
LITERALLY FREAKING HAPPENS.
You “omg so ignorant and prejudiced”
BUT I KEEP PREDICTING WHAT THEY DO AND THEY KEEP DOING IT.
So i am RIGHT and you are a moron.
Rainbow Six Siege was a great example of that. It started off great being based almost entirely in a believable, gritty world with just enough diversity that it didn’t feel forced.
Couple years later and more than half of the new operators were female and most of them have fantasy weapons that look like they were invented in Wakanda.
and are fat.
I gave up at the Australia DLC. That operator was a dead ringer for an overweight Bruce Jenner
“”Get yer girls outta my action game!!!””
ITS MAAM.
Or should i say
TRANSNOMACHINES SON
Because thats what that character looks like, like the bad guy from metal gear rising.
By the way that soundtrack goes with everything…apart from crap of us 2… thats how bad it is.
Ghostbusters 2016 was bad because even the biggest female comics aren’t very funny.
“Gotta love how as soon as a franchise tries to include some different types of characters ”
yeah its not like every game now has androgenous lesbian bulldykes.
First you say that TLOU2 is the best-looking game ever, and now this.
Now I feel better, because you’re obviously only a troll, and you don’t sincerely think the insane nonsensical trash that you just wrote. ?
Actually, I like your posts, they’re entertaining and keep the community alive. Keep them coming!
Not just ‘different’ characters. Its a lesbian we’re talking about here. Every time this sh*t happens its a complete 4th wall break. Its no longer about telling a good story, its about telling a story with an agenda and the story suffers.
Homosexuality is inherently freakish, because it is in the vast minority and a biological flaw no matter what way you spin it. Having a woman be a badass zombie killer is inherently freakish, because women are biologically far weaker and less combative than men.
Playing as a character, which is real world circumstances would almost certainly lack the qualities they display in games, is so jarring that the gameplay and story have to move mountains to overcome it, and rarely, if ever do.
There may be more people in the world, but men are still the dominant demographic in gaming. White and Asian heterosexual men specifically, and no Sudoku on your phone does not count.
Hopefully, if game developers do things intelligently, games will actually get smaller. Games today tend to contain a lot of duplicate data that can be spread around on the HDD platter to improve access speeds. With SSD as a baseline that is no longer necessary. Also they can hopefully get more efficient as a result of all this new tech especially with the likes of UE5. Really focused developers can get their game sizes down. Modern Warfare being close to 200GB is absolutely absurd and unnecessary. Especially when you look at the average PS4 exclusive title averaging 50GB-60GB.
Well, yes and no I think. I always reference this reddit post when I think about loading bottlenecks:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/c908dj/since_nvmes_dont_improve_upon_ssd_loading_times/
Which basically says that the cpu is the bottleneck because of the way the game files are packaged to reduce seek times on hdd’s. Now with an ssd baseline, that bottleneck should no longer be an issue and the power of the ssd can be unleashed. As such, we should finally be able to see a difference between sata, nvme 3.0, and beyond with next gen games.
your’e comparing enterprise hardware to a console now? that’s just stupid and doesn’t prove anything other than how out of touch pc gamers can be.
This is a direct response to the quote from Tim Sweeney. Please read it.
The PS5’s SSD is this generations “the Cloud” – a neat technological step forward that could be used for some cool stuff, but ultimately won’t be, apart from a couple of first party titles, and even then it won’t really impress anyone. Shorter loading times is nice, for sure, but the way some people are hyping a freaking drive is beyond ridiculous.
How stupid does Tim Sweeny think people are?
Unless Sony has some alien tech there is no way you can fit a 1 TB SSD in a 500$ console that outperforms SSD’s that themselves cost 500$.
This is nonsense.
So you’re telling me that Sony was full of it? No way! How can that be? They’re like angels!
You and I know that but the idiots they are hyping to, DOESN’T know that. 4k @60fps in that tiny box will EXPLODE. Heat has always been what holds a console back from true power. That’s why True power is ONLY on a PC. because it’s all about customization and throwing away thousands of dollars to run Schitty A$$ ports.
Teraflops mean very little. Which is why PC ports of games look exactly the same as every other version. Other than being able to run at a higher res and MAYBE a higher framerate if you’re lucky. The most important thing is time and money. The power difference between these platforms doesn’t matter an ounce if the developers don’t have the time or budget to actually make the game take advantage of the hardware. Great example of that is the PC port of Arkham Knight when it first released. Didn’t matter how many sick a*s flops you threw at it, it didn’t work because they weren’t get it time to MAKE it work.
Tim Sweeney, the guy that ditched PC gaming for Xbox 360, came back, and started buying up exclusives for his sh*tty store on the same platform his company claimed was full of pirates. Until I get Gears 2 and 3 on PC Tim Sweeney has as much credibility as the sh*t I took this morning
LOL, really? Gears 2 and 3 are all it takes to get your loyalty huh? Not very high standards….
I never said anything about loyalty let alone mine
For one, Sweeney was not talking about just the raw throughput of the drive, he’s talking about the entire architecture – what’s involved in getting compressed textures off the storage into a usable state by the GPU. There are many bottlenecks in the current PC NVME/Windows drive stack right now towards doing this where the effective speed of the SSD cannot be nearly utilized to its potential, Sony has done a lot of work beyond just sticking a PCIE4X SSD into the PS5’s motherboard for pete’s sake. MS will be bringing DirectStorage to Windows which will supposedly help a great deal in providing far lower overhead to texture/data streaming going forward. Sweeney went into deal on all of this of course, but hey – gotta get that clickbait I guess.
And of course this drive ‘wouldn’t make the lovely headlines’, because who gives a f*k if a drive that can only be used in a fraction of systems is available at a prohibitive price? It has absolutely no bearing on what developers do, it’s like saying there’s no reason to get excited for the PS5 because you can run 2 Titan’s in SLI now. It’s irrelevant to game developers if the market penetration is effectively zero.
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remember kids . most powerful console ever …
I don’t think this writer has any concept of how time works which, without getting into crazy science, is perceived as a linear flow for most of us… Honestly, the mental gymnastics this article is predicated on make it really difficult to read.
You are misquoting, this is what he said:
” The storage architecture on the PS5 is far ahead of anything you can buy on the PC for any amount of money right now. ”
“Systems integration and whole-system performance. Bringing in data from high-bandwidth storage into video memory in its native format with hardware decompression is very efficient. The software and hardware stack go to great lengths to minimize latency and maximize the bandwidth that’s actually accessible by games.
Those PC numbers are theoretical and are from drive into kernel memory. From there, it’s a slow and circuitous journey through software decompression to GPU driver swizzling into video memory where you can eventually use it. The PS5 path for this is several times more efficient. And then there’s latency.
On PC, there’s a lot of layering and overhead. Then you have the issue of getting compressed textures into video memory requires reading into RAM, software decompressing, then calling into a GPU driver to transfer and swizzle them, with numerous kernel transitions throughout.
Intel’s work on non-volatile NVDIMMs is very exciting and may get PC data transfer on a better track over the coming years”
I’ll tell you right now, trying to bring basically any form of logic into this thread is a bit of a lost cause. Cheers.
Indeed.
This isn’t an SSD, it is a card that holds multiple SSDs. Not the same thing. This is an expansion card/hub.
New console generation usually brings new set of lies with it… (and as always, the “Death” of PC gaming news and articles…)
So four hard drives are faster than one? That’s not impressive.
DSO, why are you deleting my comment pointing out that this is 4 drives and not a single drive? I don’t understand. Is it because you are wrong and need clickbait?
I’m sure I read that the PS5 could stream data in for the GPU without involving the rest of the system. That’s partly what makes it special.
Now looking at this device you can see it’s just made up of many running in parallel. So how can you compare that to a single SSD within the PS5?
Cerny said up to 22 gb/s depending on data type and compression. That’s
peak performance. The “up to 24 gb/s” this article claims is peak
performance too, not average performance. So, they are pretty similar.
Reality check console fanboys. Imagine if i tell you that SSD WILL NOT GIVE YOU BETTER FPS OR FX. This is just a hard drive to store your games, expect only better loading times. THAT IS IT !!!
This isn’t even an SSD, this is a card that holds multiple actual SSDs and simply allows the motherboard to control them. It is basically an internal SSD hub…
This isn’t even an SSD, this is a card that holds multiple actual SSDs. It is basically an internal SSD hub with an integrated switch…
Weird but true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vrnqUg2pYA
I think this article completely misses the point of the on board priority control unit which means the PS5 can seek for information in different ways. This is bespoke to the PS5. So whilst the pure read/write speak of the drive isnt the fastest out there – I think how the PS5 is set to take advantage of it makes it more useful/quicker.
EDIT: It has 6 priority levels.
Badum Tss!!
Did anyone read the article and watch the video? “If money is no object” They’re describing a RAID. They’re comparing multiple SSD’s running in RAID vs 1 PS5 SSD. Also, I’d rather listen to Tim. He makes game engines. He’s an engineer and have been working on hardware for years and years.
I’m guessing not a lot of people in the comment section actually read the article, just the title. Now they’re in the comment section continuing their pointless console war LOL
Thats a nice fault equivalence… Ill like to see the hardware design on the SSD on the PS5 soon we will know I guess.
No it’s not Period! It’s custom controller does not have dma access to Vram and gpu! It’s only faster for specific workloads.
Well we have 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives already hitting 5000 mb/s read here and now, so far Sony have shown absolutely nothing, besides 1TB is useless given game sizes nowadays. PC will keep on getting faster and larger drives over the coming years.
Linus posted a retraction video for his “PS5 SSD video”. Seems Linus made a mistake, Linus misquoted what Mr.Sweeny actually said about the PS5 SSD. Big of Linus to post this video to apologize.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ehDRCE1Z38
Apparently what Mr.Sweeny actually said was “PS5 SSD is best in class”. So Linus has apologized for his error.