‘Downgraded’ is a word that most developers hate. Still, and since CD Projekt RED was open to comparisons between the game’s final and 2013 versions, who decided to share these comparison screenshots that show how the game has changed over its course of development.
What’s really great about this comparison (shared by Guru3D’s member ‘(.)(.)‘ that originates from here), is that a number of explanations have been added so that you can immediately see the differences between these two builds.
As we can see, the amount of particles on-screen has been decreased, the environmental LOD has been severely reduced, the lighting system seems weaker than the one featured in the oldest build, textures look blurrier (this could either be due to the absence of CDPR’s sharpening filter or due to the presence of Chromatic Aberration. Regardless of the real reasons, textures are not as crisp as they were before).
We’ll definitely give CD Projekt RED the benefit of doubt, however it is pretty obvious that the final game won’t look as good as its in-game 2013 reveal trailer. And that’s a real shame.
Obviously, this does not mean that the game won’t look good or that it won’t be fun. CD Projekt RED has been releasing lots of screenshots from the game’s latest build these past days, so we all know that the game still looks great.
Enjoy and stay tuned for more!
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Sad, but it was meant to happen.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. The real sad state of affairs actually pertains to people posting here, presumably adults, that refuse to acknowledge a simple and obvious graphical downgrade. And why is that? Because they pre-ordered the game? Do CDPR owe them something? And why do they choose to conveniently ignore the well documented CDPR’s past dark deeds? (for reference: CEO being a high level warez distributor, and the lawsuits filed against their legit German customers)
I guess the most probably and simple answer is that those people are simply idiots.
That’s because they are fanboys, they will defend everything even if lies are thrown at their face
Actually what is sad is that presumably adults are complaining and whining about a video game. A video game! If a game is so important that you’re freaking out like it matters and calling people idiots, maybe it’s time to put the controller down for a while and go live life rather than trying to escape it
The only people ‘complaining and whining’ are those in denial that CDPR would do a thing such as this, as if they were gods or something.
And a discussion/debate springs up and you automatically assume everyone involved ‘doesn’t have a life and tries to escape it’ because the subject is videogames? Wow, you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed, huh?
Huh, I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed? Listen to yourself. I’m not in denial of CDPR downgrading the game, it’s just I couldn’t care less! Read your own replies, you’re the supposed adult ranting and raving about it, whining like a little school girl like it is some kind of travesty. There are many things in this world that are important and ARE travesties, but this is NOT one of them! Video games must really be important to you to be crying over graphics. Good lord! Put the controller down and go experience real life.
If you couldn’t care less, you’re making an extremely well job at hiding it.
Typical of retards to label ‘schoolgirl whining’ stuff you disagree with instead of making valid counter points. If you don’t care about videogame discussion then what the hell are you doing here?
How am I making an extremely well job at hiding the fact that I couldn’t care less if CDPR downgraded the graphics? At what point in any reply have I contradicted this? Good lord, do you even understand basic logic? I said I couldn’t care less about the graphics being downgraded, I never said I wasn’t interested in video game discussion.
What the hell am I even doing here? I was reading the article, because I have an interest in getting the game and then stumbled upon your whiny rant as if the downgrade was some terrible travesty and then some rant about CDPR thinking they’re Gods or something like it some kind of conspiracy.
It’s not even that I disagree with you, it’s just that you’re acting like some little kid throwing a fit over the fact that the graphics don’t seem as good now as before. So what! It’s a bleeping game! Get over it! If you don’t like, don’t buy the game! It’s pretty simple, but quit whining about it
Dude, first of all, you seem pretty wind up. Chill out, there’s no need to get nervous or anything while exchanging opinions, on the internet of all places.
You pretend to understand ‘basic logic’ but you yourself don’t realize that my ‘whining’, as you irreverently keep calling it, isn’t directed at the downgrade itself. I stated SEVERAL times that the game, downgraded and all, looks QUITE GOOD to me. And that the game itself will probably at least be on par with W1 & 2.
My ‘whining’ is directed as stupid fanboys of a multimillion corp that can’t believe would screw over its customers, and on top of that it would not be the first time they do that. Fanboyism triggers me, what can I say.
Dude, first of all, you seem pretty worked up. Chill out, there’s no need to get nervous or anything while exchanging opinions, on the internet of all places.
You pretend to understand ‘basic logic’ but you yourself don’t realize that my ‘whining’, as you irreverently keep calling it, isn’t directed at the downgrade itself. I stated SEVERAL times that the game, downgraded and all, looks QUITE GOOD to me. And that the game itself will probably at least be on par with W1 & 2.
My ‘whining’ is directed as stupid fanboys of a multimillion corp that can’t believe would screw over its customers, and on top of that it would not be the first time they do that. Fanboyism triggers me, what can I say.
If its running good 1080p/60+ i would love to play Witcher 3 even like that…..but this dowgraded versions i think they are because of consoles …for example look at the FPS and graphics on GTA V PC and then take a look at consoles.
downgrade always have one reason and that’s always consoles.
The recommended spec for W3 is an AMD 290. What do you think the average PC build is?
So i will be perfect with GTX 680..but wait we will see 🙂
After a couple of delays, trying to make it run across three gaming platforms and let’s forgetting that it is an open world game, I’m not really surprised.
Modders, you know what to do!
Dude, give it up. This is pathetic -_-
The time of day effects a lot & footage has been released from all three platforms.
ahahahah, i can’t wait until someone will bring up the infamous “youtube compression” also
While both of you keep your hard work searching for low quality textures and effects for who knows…we will be having fun at Witcher 3.
STEAM dayONE
I’m not really interested in Witcher, but if if you look at the pictures there are MASSIVE differences between the two, you dont have to look for low quality textures. The game probably will be awesome, but the previous footage looked phenomenal.
Zzzzsz…keep it on, we are getting interested on yours searches results
No 4K?
Of course. Is possible to downgrade a monitor resolution?
Maybe it will be fun, hell, it probably will be, at least on par with W1 and 2.
But the graphical downgrade (which doesn’t have an impact on mechanics of course) is evident. It paints CDPR not as transparent as some of you make them.
You recognize that and then we can get into the game’s proper mechanics, the stuff that really matters, as they become available at launch. Clean slate.
Otherwise, you’re a pathetic fanboy.
Still its better be a pathetic fanboy than a pathetic hater. Lmao
In RED we trust
I really care little to nothing about the graphic i just hope it runs wonderfully on pc.
Shadow of mordor or Ground Zeroes level of optimization.
If it runs like watch dogs then it will be a technical failure through and through.
It will still run like sh*t, its not gonna run like Ryse, Shadow of Mordor or Ground Zeroes.
Hahahaha that almost sounds like you’re saying developers OWE you something for buying an entertainment product that YOU want.
He’s kinda right. As a loyal customer that maybe bought the two previous games and is buying this one it wouldn’t be asking too much to have a graphic level that was promised on previous trailers.
Or at least more realistic trailers showing the (still quite good) graphics the game would actually have.
Trailers don’t promise anything. CDPR never promised anything. They just showed us their VISION for this game, a vision that can always change until release. When do you guys finally understand the basic principles of game developement?
The entitlement is strong among the ignorant.
Have you ever heard of the term “false advertisement”, friend?
This guy must be working on/for CDPR or a relative of some sort. Coz there is just NO WAY a guy could be this much of a fuc*ing idiot.
Didn’t promise anything ? the text on the trailer CLEARLY says “IN-GAME FOOTAGE,” which by the way means “This is how our game will look like,” and not “VISION.” They could EASILY PUT a “GRAPHICS MAY CHANGE” text but they didn’t. It was as simple as that. I mean, after the Hype Dogs and Colonial Marines incident. You have the guts to pull this kind of stunt ? you’re a fuc*ing moron if you didn’t expect a backlash like what you’ve seen with Hype Dogs and Colonial Marines. Yes, other games change too but it’s not as drastic as this that’s why it flies under the radar or even change for the better.
It’s simple. CDPR chose to cater to consoles and “toned down” the graphics of the game rather than keep the graphical fidelity intact and port the game at a lower res on consoles. It’s text book bait and switch —__—
But they do actually, we are the ones who gave them their current reputation and the opportunity to make such a grand scale game. The least they could do was not f’ the game’s visuals for PC.
They do if they formally present a product with a reasonable assumption about its expected quality. This downgrade is compared to trailers with claims of “IN GAME FOOTAGE” but also to a 35 min demo of the game that was on a build shown during E3 2014 and in august 2014 (keep in mind the game was meant to be originally released in autumn 2014 and then moved to feb 2015). these expectations were the reasonable expected quality of the game.
if it was any other developer there would be more controversy. If this was Ubisofts game, we would call it a downgrade without question. people have a right to complain about this because it is miss information. some people already bought the game before any of this downgrade talk ever existed, and if YOU want a product and buy a product based on claims made by the individual or company selling it, and it turns out that the expected product is different than what you where told, than that is arguably breaking a commitment that in other forms would be considered a breach of consumer law. developers OWE people who have bought the game and want to buy the game, the truth, but so far there is no transparency. one statement was made by a developer that there would be less particles in certain effects, but not that some would be gone completely or about any of the other changes that impact the quality of visuals. another statement I read by a dev was that there was no such thing as the downgrade. Also visuals were not the only thing that was removed from the game compared with earlier materiel shown. Although some of this stuff might be seen as changes that would normally happen through development of a game, some of those changes need to be elaborated on by the devs. If that is done, than everything is OK, no problem, even if people are annoyed by the changes.
Well, yeah. Because when a company shows you something for the first time and the quality didn’t match the second time they showed it to you, that’s called bait and switch and that’s “false advertising” = lying to your customers.
Now, I don’t know why this is even tolerated by people like you but in my book, that’s a big fu**ing [b]NO.[/b] There are even laws to punish people who do this —__—
Sorry but I quite simply disagree, it’s a product in development, I have worked on many shipped titles myself and changes WILL happen. Each and every piece of media they’ve shown has been different every time, this is not bait and switch. Dark Souls 2 was B&S.
“I liked that effect” means nothing in any artistic entertainment industry, ever.
And some of these comparisons are pure BS. “Atmospheric lighting” what a load of horseshit. I think people who know jackshit about graphics like to comment on it the most.
How exactly does lighting that makes metals actually look like metals somehow look ‘flat'(banal description by the way) compared to a screenshot full of ATROCIOUS sharpening artifacts and filtering and where metal looks like it’s coated with carbon?
Well, there are a lot of ways to avoid that. For example, put a text that says “Alpha/Beta phase. Graphics may change.” Instead CDPR put an “IN GAME FOOTAGE” text which was intended to mean “this is what the game will look like.” I know changes happen in the development phase even back then but it weren’t as drastic as it is today and companies do not deliberately mislead their consumers.
You can’t call all of the changes “artistic changes.” There are many things that are changed that doesn’t fall in the “artistic” category. Don’t single out the lighting change. What about the tessellated textures ? the fire effects/quality ? the quality of the foliage ?
I didn’t say “artistic changes” anywhere, I said it’s an artistic entertainment product meaning it’s not software you paid to be catered to your own needs. You get no say in it. “Here is our entertainment product, like it? you can buy it!” that’s all you get.
Textures are not tessellated. I think you may mean mapping. The first pic is obviously dumb, that has to be ages old there’s so many defects in it only a fool would believe that’s what the game looks like. But that’s to be expected from the “Master Race” which knows nothing about rendering except what someone somewhere might have said, otherwise bags of air.
The texture quality remains unchaged, the only difference is sharpening but that’s to be expected because ‘gamers’ think high contrast and high sharpening with grainy artifacts is “details” when it is infact undesired. I work in the ‘CGI industry’ now instead of games though it was a tremendous experience – the rasterization ‘beast’.
Oh! so that’s how it is. Bait us with this look and then change it coz it doesn’t suit you, the creator. And we don’t have any say in it, huh? Yeah, you can just say “Don’t buy it if you don’t like it.” Problem solved, right ?
What do we know, right ? coz we’re dumb 0_0 . You showed us your “artistic entertainment product” that it will look like X so we shouldn’t expect that it will look like X, right ?
“that it will look like X so we shouldn’t expect that it will look like X, right ?… And we don’t have any say in it, huh? ”
For software development on a fixed budget and maturity period, yep pretty much. Given the scale of the game and time, some of these details aren’t feasible. You may not like it, but the average PC’s barely on par with the console in terms of GPU power.
So a company showed me an in-development TV/monitor and they boasted it will have all the latest tech. So I get really excited coz I’m expecting that I’ll be able to buy a new shiny TV. They showed it to me the second time near shelf day and …
Me : Why is the color white and it has scratches in it. Wasn’t it supposed to be glossy black ?
Company : Oh! because while in development we thought black doesn’t look good and we had a few technicalities so it got scratched.
Me : Where is the displayport 1.3 ?
Company : Oh! you know, most of our buyers use HDMI anyways
ME : Why is the max resolution only 1920×1080 ? What happened to 4k ?
Company : Oh that ? you know, you need a beefy GPU to run games at 4k so we just made it 1920×1080. You know, more FPS 🙂
I didn’t buy it coz it was “different” and technically it won’t fall into false advertising coz I didn’t buy the product but BELIEVE me they would GLADLY sell it to me for the same price if I just shrugged the “difference” off like the other people did. Oh what companies do when they find a hole in the law 0_0
Changes will happens, that surely is undisputed. The point here is that, quite conveniently, all those changes are always for worse, how do you explain that? From 2013 to 2015 we should see IMPROVEMENTS if anything, not a DOWNGRADE.
CDPR did bait & switch their ‘beloved customers’.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. You have not a single clue about game development and you have not a single clue about the law. You don’t even have a single clue about business ethics.
But who cares, only thing that counts nowadays is obviously being mouthy on the internet…
Please enlighten me … OH SO MIGHTY ONE 0_0
False advertising laws are in place. So yes, developer OWES you the quality it advertises.
STEAM / GOG dayONE 4k FTW
Gold Medal… Cause You Achieve The Impossible.
Thou hast seen nothing yet.
I wonder with what excuses CDPR will come up this time. One word – Traitors!
Four words – Console MUSTARD MASTER RACE
shut the f up with you pc master race bull
GLORIOUS PC STEAM MASTER RACE
lol trolling him lol
They’ll try hard to sound nice that how they are unbiased and want every gamer to have same experience on every platform and fanboys will eat it up.
That alone is enough to be considered as an insult.
In RED we trust
Why the hell would you trust a company that makes videogames SO MUCH, so blindly? Do they pay you or something?
Downgrade? Someone blaming a co as they want to downgrade a game out of its will.
Come on…All blames are on those crappy hardware of consoles.
I will keep my faith on RED. As both previous games from them are in my top 10.
You’re delusional.
You are hater
The picture with the forest and the lake looked waaaay too good to be real.
I laughed out loud at image 4 of 5 🙂
Yeah, close enough.
i dont even care about the game but holy sh*t thats a huge downgrade.
I still give them the benefit of the doubt. I want to check for myself. But it seems CD Projekt indeed went the Ubisoft way this time.
Game better be a masterpiece of epic proportions otherwise this is another Watch Dogs waiting to happen. I sincerely hope the gameplay blows me away because the graphics sure will not anymore.
But it won’t be a masterpiece, we all know that. At best, it will be somewhat on par with the previous games’ relatively interesting story. And the main quest will be padded with innumerable optional FedEx quests, like in previous games.
The world however seems to be quite large compared to what we’ve seen so far in other games, that is interesting in itself.
And the downgrade is obvious and clear as day, it always was. I wonder what the fanboys are going to say now.
If you actually played the witcher games, you’d know that there’s barely fedex quests in the games.
He is just a hater…people are talking out loud that it witcher will smash up Dragon age…for so he’s angry now….Lmao
You are just being a fanboy right now, yes it will be a great game but you have to admit that they lied to our face they said that “There will be no downgrade” but it’s quite clear that there is
So? Did RED out of will downgraded a game…or downgrade it to fits on consoles crappy hardware.
It was to fit pc users crappy hardware. The average steam user’s pc is weaker than a ps4, but you idiots shout “console!” every 5 seconds because you heard some other idiot do it.
Nope. At STEAM a 660 is majority. DOTA boys do not play AAA…for so they can’t be even called PC gamers.
I’ve played over 1000 PC games by now. Finished a ton of those. And yet, i’ve been playing DOTA 2 for 4800 hours now. I cannot stop anymore. It’s that good, and i still find time for other games aswell. A lot of my friends do the same. We ARE PC gamers. Dota was a mod, so if anything.. we are more PC gamers than the people that do not play it.
Jesus Christ, I have 268 Steam games, 50 GOG games and 50 console games, most played games are at 400-500 hours and I still have to ask… do you do anything but play games? I mean my god.
Yeah. I do play video games during most of my free time, and that is still the majority of my day. Before video games, i used to do the same thing with movies.
Go go productive life!
P.s. I actually do have a job. 😛
Lol , PC’s have graphical settings, users could have easily set the game to Low settings for the PC’s that couldn’t handle it at its full glory, no need for a permanent and irreversible downgrade. As if PC was the reason. We know damn well it was the consoles.
What?
STEAM dayONE. Bye
Tnx…but NO
Hater gonna hate.
STEAM dayONE 4k 60 FPS FTW
I’m not a ‘hater’ I just call things as I see them and try to back them up, unlike you. It wasn’t until DSOG posted this article that you systematically stopped dismissing all claims about the graphical downgrade.
CDPR screwed up big time, where is your god now?
Oh, and Dragon Age? Where did you come up with that? (no need to answer that, I already know: your arse) Bioware games suck, especially the DA franchise.
RED screwed up? No dev wants to downgrade a game.
Blames on consoles crappy hardware
I know no devs want to do that. But they screwed up by showing an artificially souped up version of the game and then being unable to deliver. And on top of that they deny it.
In short, they lied to their customers, in the same exact manner as Ubilol did.
well to be fair it is not a good atmosphere to be honest about it. everyone is on high alert about downgrade since 2014. they are about to launch Galaxy and they want to maximize profit with Witcher 3 that’s the reason why all of it happens.
if they do get into a honest mood it won’t be after they did all of that.
they didn’t do the right thing in the first place of course i am just judging their current situation.
(PS fanboy rant: DA is awesome, boooo :D)
Ubisoft lied twice…Downgrade + broken game in every platform.
Laughable. They already had the demo running on PC back in 2013. IF they could they would have kept that direction on the higher end PC’s.. Apparently your “master” rig isn’t as powerful as you thought. Consoles are just lower to mid range gaming PC’s. They could have kept what was originally shown and downgraded accordingly on consoles. Again, the higher end PC’s out there obviously aren’t good enough to do what was originally shown.
Such a bullshit. Consoles are the major market for game devs so of course all intentions of devs will aim consoles crappy hardware.
High end PC ain’t that good? Lmao..
That’s why you are called:
Console MUSTARD MASTER RACE
Blame the developers who decided to downgrade the PC version along with the consoles instead of putting in the extra effort and investment in money to do right by their customers.
Ain’t worth a PC exclusive version. Everyone that’s less expensive a flat version between platforms.
GTA V is about the very same between all platforms got downgrade from preview video and don’t quite remember all these noise from downgrade hater.
Hypocrisies
STEAM dayONE
Well, first things first( before i enter the realms of ignorant and childish opinions), i know you are just a consumer (of the product in question) and do not have the need to understand to it’s core how to programme or develop games or 3d assets to work in engines of various 3d environments or things like that, i imagine what you will probably answer, but just for hope in a little “i try to learn and understand subjects i usually try to argument about”
DO YOU KNOW WHAT OPTIMIZATION IS AND WHAT COULD OCCUR IN ITS RAMIFICATIONS ON THE PROCESS OF COMMERCIALLY DEVELOPING A GAME THAT MIGHT HIT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WORLDWIDE?
Cheers boy!
I played and finished both of them. Majority of sidequests send you off to kill x number of monsters. I know that’s what a Witcher is supposed to do but it does get repetitive when chapter after chapter you’re still doing the same thing.
hello sir, sorry to interrupt but i agree there has been a downgrade, but the comparison footages are of the worst quality and of lower settings on an OLDER build of the game , there has been a 300pg discussion on the witcher forums.
PS- the only kill x monsters quest i remember was endergas , nekkers and one in loc munnie(i do not know the spellings , so sorry!).
I would ask you to wait till there has been uncompressed footages after the game is released.This is a make /break game for cd projeckt red , so they will try not to screw it up
and also , it was said earlier that they had reduced some settings to obtain parity esp in textures
Thanks for reading.Sorry if i offended you
Not offended at all mate, thanks for your contribution!
Actually Witcher games have pretty good side quest. Every side quest is unique and feels like a mini story. Specially in Witcher 2.
What, did you somehow managed to not find the kill X number of monsters side quests?
Which one? The only one I can think of is the one where you collect harpy feathers… Pretty fitting for a game about ‘The Witcher’. Witcher 2 has less side quests than a lot of other RPGs but instead it has better quality and variety in those quests. At the end of the day, it’s RPG and killing monsters and gaining XP is backbone of these games. Much better than collecting flying pages.
There’s like 4-5 for EVERY region you visited. Kill X amount of monsters and bring proof back to such and such. While what you say is true, there are plenty of great side missions you don’t see in many games there are just as many fetch quests.
So I guess you know a better action RPG? I doubt so.
‘better’ is highly subjective.
Everything is “highly subjective” outside of the field of mathematics, your point is incredibly tedious. The first Witcher was steeped in awful side quests; the second had none what-so-ever except the “feather” gathering quest, and that was actually added months after release as a free DLC so I’m not entirely sure it counts. Please play the goddamn game/s before you start criticizing, you look ridiculous if you don’t.
Wow, just wow. Did you guys somehow missed ALL the ‘contracts’ sidequests? In EACH chapter? And this is not counting the various ‘kill monster bring head’ sidequests.
And you look ridiculous because apparently you can’t read.
There are no trophy quests in the second game. There are a few monster contracts, but they pretty much involve destroying nests (nekker and harpies) or egg sacks and killing queens, not just “kill x amount of monsters/collect x amount of monster parts”.
Plus, it is a game about a monster hunter. What do you want him to do, not hunt monsters? They’re optional anyway.
Wow. Just. Wow. Each contract quest goes far beyond a simple kill/collect X quest, it doesn’t even sound like you played the damned game. You first need to research the monsters to see how to defeat them; for some you’ll need to nuke their nests, others, remove their food source, still others, attack their eggs to draw out the queen, etc. In some cases you can even avoid most encounters with the creatures entirely.
And what the hell are you even talking about, there ARE NO ‘kill monster bring head’ sidequests dear god.
Are you blind ? Can you see sh*t !?
I actually discovered a sidequest in my third play through of Witcher 2 that turned out to be the best mission in entire game..this is why i love CD project so much..attention to detail is just mind blowing
Really collecting feathers is a mini story now? Come on lets be honest i loved the witcher 2 but it still has some quests that are fetch and grab just like any rpg. Not to mention the kill nekker contracts, rotfiends etc as martin so kindly pointed out. Fanboys have a tendency to forget things it seems.
“But it won’t be a masterpiece”…Lmao
At least it be based directly on books…way different of Indiana Jones who’s copycat Alan books.
A barely good movie…
Lmao? What makes you so sure it will be a ‘masterpiece’?? Your fanboyism is beyond pathetic at this point dude, it’s so embarrassing.
So? Can’t I be a pathetic fanboy?
In RED we trust.
FedEx quest, LOL. Good one.
Your forgetting the fact that which machines were used can and will make a difference in the comparison…I see no facts on which machines were used to show those two videos….so the comparison is just more Troll-sheet from haters of anything they do not like? Anti-fan-boy-trolling for any kinda of attention…dammit I got fooled again?
Wh-what? So you’re saying this is the same game, just that it was demoed on different PCs and that’s why there are assets and detail missing all over the place?
‘Trolling from haters’ Huh… yeah, ok.
The Witch Hunt for “Downgrades” Is Often Misleading and Always Obnoxious
http://www.dualshockers.com/20…
“And the main quest will be padded with innumerable optional FedEx quests”
That would be more akin to something like Xenoblade Chronicles. The Witcher games seem to at least put some effort into their side content.
Who cares? Who f-ing cares? God, it’s the lack of “care”, the apathy, of people like you that let this crap slide with a “who cares really” as the main reason companies do this and get away with it. You don’t see a car advertising it has an all leather, non plastic interior and then get in it and it’s clothe with plastic dash and just go “ah who cares, it’s all about how it’s drives, right?”
10/10 Gamespot, 9.75/10 Game Informer, 9.3/10 IGN, 8/10 GamesRadar. And these screen shot comparisons are completely pointless, dynamic weather, lighting, shadows, effects etc..all play a part and the locations between screens isn’t 1:1. Not to mention they also have to promote the game on very outdated hardware for the console players, this game will be meant to be experienced on a very high-end gaming PC.
Dragon Age 2 reviews: 94 PC Gamer, 92 GameTrailers, 85 IGN, 80 GameSpot.
SimCity: 100 Eurogamer.
You actually take mainstream reviews at face value?
Of course all reviews and opinions have to be taken with a grain of salt, because after all its just one persons opinion. As with the majority of things in life gaming comes down to personal preference and ones own likes/dislikes. But the facts still stands these screenshots prove next to nothing, no “proof” of a downgrade, too many factors are involved (hardware, in-game settings, lighting, player positioning, etc.). I happened to really enjoy DA: I for some time, SimCity isnt my type of game so I wouldnt try and form a serious opinion of it. I can simplify and break down any games cons and imperfections, we happen to live in an imperfect world, but as for me personally I already know Witcher 3 on PC @ 1440p is going to rock my world and set new standards.
First of all, if you truly take reviews with a grain of salt then why did you quote them as a counter-argument? Makes no sense.
And I was referring to DA 2 (clearly a poor mediocre game in the 3-4 range in a scale of 10), not DA:I
Regarding your ‘screenshots are not proof’ argument, a company (especially a heavily PR focused company as CDPR) would never release screenshots running with low-med settings. And in any case settings don’t make textures and assets disappear.
Don’t you think it’s incredible strange (to say the least) that 2013 ‘screenshots’ and videos look worse than 2015 screenshots and videos? Where is the logic in that? They should at least look the same, if not a hell of a lot better given all the time that passed.
And before you or anyone else launches into a rant about ‘lol u don’t know how gaming development works’ (as if they would), the real answer is often the simplest: it IS downgraded. CDPR is a very capable developer, unlike say, Bethesda. So they showed the stuff they could achieve with Witcher 3 a couple of years ago. For whatever reasons they couldn’t reach the extremely high quality bar they set for themselves, and that’s fine, could happen. But they made 2 huge, idiotic mistakes: first they shouldn’t have caved in to greed by showing those graphics back in 2013 to get the hype going. And second, they use PR drone speak and deny the downgrade instead of owning up and acknowledging that they screwed up.
They can still be used for reference to the overall quality of a product, obviously. These screens prove zilch, its mostly speculation and at worst applies to the limitations of consoles. As I said Witcher 3 on PC will be an amazing game, if you can afford the rig to run it at its highest potential, it will set new standards for open-world RPGs. Why I’m even entertaining you is probably the better question, the game hasnt even been released yet only pre-release footage which can naturally fluctuate throughout development.
speaking of Watch Dogs, Geralt’s fire spell looks like he is holding a sparkler in his hand…it reminded me of explosions in watch dogs.
as for optimization, i am not actually worried i think it will be optimized. they run a business based on DRM free games. i highly doubt they risk pissing off PC fans that much. in the end no matter what they do they are stuck with us.
You can’t be serious! Comparing a Ubisoft game with RED’…. Damn haters
Guess we’ll see soon enough if the “reds” went full ubisoft.
You never go full Ubisoft…..!
In what?
Downgrade? Every damn game ever made suffered a downgrade phase on its development.
All blames if downgrade are on consoles, so a game fits well on its crappy hardware.
And nope! Ubisoft games don’t have great and solid main story since AC2.
i guess you played this game already, since you know that the story will be awesome and the quests will be well designed.
Nope. I do fully played both previous games from RED. And pretty much platinum both. So its a easy guess.
And Conan confirmed. It still the RED I know for years.
As for Ubisoft and EA games that’s easy to guess too…crappy games
“Conan confirmed” guess from this whole story you didn’t even understand that in the end you can only make such statement until you yourself played the game on your own pc, and then come out with conclusions.
If you’re even capable of it, by the looks of it….you’re not.
By the look you are just a hater of hyped games. I’ve see that in old days. A punk don’t ya.
To those that only plan to play it for the graphics, Please don’t play it. It’s not for you.
Quite contrary. Witcher is well acclaimed for its great main story and side quest. Of course, its graphics quality is above majority but if gamers only cares about graphics that’s pitiful…cause except some few game there ain’t too much to play
Yes, platinum indeed. I wouldn’t bet all my savings on that.
Immature kids like can’t play…too much sexiness
lol
NOT quite downgrade on this level. I mean this is almost night and day.To say nothing of the entire color palette/scheme change from realistic/moody to almost cartoony, DA:I style.
boy console can’t handle real colors that’s why these current gen will be marked by colorful games through out it until its very end.
Just do keep track of both console exclusive game. All colorful games
The graphics still look incredible and the game will be amazing.
Looks nice not incredible
Then you people don’t have a f’ing clue what goes into making an open world game like this run well with amazing graphics. GTA V textures look like smeared turd in comparison Witcher 3.
oh but you know huh?even if you know,it does not justify them doing this.false advertising is a bad thing.people like you are one of the reasons why we pc gamers are fed with crappy downgrade like this.you are supporting them doing this. as long as they are supported,they will do this again and again.
looks ok, nothing out of this world
The graphics looks not incredible, but very credible to run on mediocre PC — to be not better than on consoles.
incredible is exaggeration man.big exaggeration.
Incredible. Yeah, that’s a little too much dude. It looks good. That’s about it. Even that may be saying a little too much. Honestly, I’m totally unimpressed. Especially considering what we saw originally and were swore too was in game footage. Which it was, cutscene footage. I really thought that crap was above CD Projekt Red.
Despite being downgraded to oblivion, Potato Box version still looks like a blurry mess in comparison. These new Consoles are a fvcking joke.
http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/85/855790/2862922-9912547767-w3-co.jpg
http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/85/855790/2862923-4785785847-w3-co.jpg
imagine if it runs badly like watch dogs…..
so.. for a game that looks like that the requirements are:
Minimum System Requirements
Intel CPU Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz
AMD CPU Phenom II X4 940
Nvidia GPU GeForce GTX 660
AMD GPU Radeon HD 7870
RAM 6GB
OS 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 (8.1)
DirectX 11
HDD Space 40 GB
Recommended System Requirements
Intel CPU Core i7 3770 3,4 GHz
AMD CPU AMD FX-8350 4 GHz
Nvidia GPU GeForce GTX 770
AMD GPU Radeon R9 290
RAM 8GB
OS 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 (8.1)
DirectX 11
HDD Space 40 GB
Devs said that a gtx 770 will run the game mid-high settings at 30 fps
What do you think about these requirements and claims?
Recommended always means 60 FPS
dude go read somen ews and you’ll find out that the devs themselves said 30 fps on mid-high settings.
Can’t be. Microsoft or NVIDIA paid them up to talk that sh*t.
A bet with ya that a 770 can run witcher 3 at high settings at 45 FPS.
All previous games released on this half baked next gen consoles , lied out recommended settings hardware.
It went from looking a very realistic / smokes / fire / lightning to a very cartoonish looking game TF2 Witcher edition..
What’s TF2 ?
team fortress 2
Oh. Now I get it 0_0
Thanks
lol np
One of the first pre-downgrade videos was running on a single GTX 680. Now the graphics look worse and they say you’ll need a 980 for ultra settings at 1080p/60fps. I’m still insanely excited for the game, but it’s disappointing that the visuals won’t be mind blowing like we got with TW2.
I noticed something strange, if you look at the pre-downgrade wall corner in the first set, it looks just as good as the post-downgrade wall in the last set. Not sure what’s going on there…why would they make the wall look worse in one place but not the other?
one of my problems with downgrades exactly. watch dogs on a single gtx 680 ran like a dream looked like a dream, after downgrade on a gtx 980 ran like crap with stutters and looked like crap
Stutter issues are related with VRAM …as I remember
no, that engine was bad, 6GB cards still having stuttering issue with that game
That’s strange, I reinstall watch dogs and was able to play fine with a 4GB vram cards
nope, it stutters on ultra with 2x 980. i tried it with a 970 it was a stuttery mess. also you can’t get constant 60fps with watchdogs, it’s always 50fps to 60fps, lowering the setting wont fix it
Yep. I did notice that I couldn’t achieve 60 FPS avg
yeah me too, when i use FXAA game runs 50fps to 60fps, when disable AA it runs the same, when i use 4xTXAA still the same, frame rate is the same on ultra textures and high textures but on ultra textures it stutters really bad and make the game unplayable while driving.
Since that game…Ubisoft no more. Did you read that news of AC unity being released before finished? Ubisoft are just horrible
yeah, watchdogs was my last game from them, didn’t bought or tried ACU or FC4 and don’t have anyplans for next AC games or Rainbow6 etc…
Ubisoft no more.
downgrade is one thing, but why only PC version of the game have it’s binary removed due to protecting the game from leaking ? x1 and ps4 versions are already leaked and playable but for PC version you have to download binary files on may 19th and it has a day1 patch and only god knows how large will that be. going into the bed with microsoft is the main reason for downgrade
well considering the game has 0 DRM as far as i know if game files were available now on PC it would get pirated in a minute. however if they could release the game files for download 48hours sooner, i don’t think that would hurt their sales.
ironically that’s a downside of having a drm free game. if it had a hardcore DRM they would probably release the game files sooner on PC as well (not 2 weeks but maybe 3 days sooner). i don’t support DRM’s though but that’s just a thought.
well i am glad PC files are available now. it is much sooner than i expected.
yeah. steam got a 13mb preload 😀 i guess it starts on steam today but GOG preload is out and it’s less than 30gb, good size
Even ignoring the downgrade in graphics i don’t like the change in the tone of the art direction at all. It went from a muted cold/grim looking world to one with oversaturate with colors, almost cartoony looking.
well there is always mods but yea i noticed the change in art direction too. Witcher 1 had a Braveheart vibe, Witcher 2 had a Game of Thrones vibe, Witcher 3 has a Lord of the Rings vibe…(yea i know LOTR doesn’t have Unicorn S** not talking about that). popular belief by publishers is that “braveheart vibe” is the least favorite so companies usually try to avoid that.
on the other hand i like the irony in this tone. so colorful yet so dark
Totally agree. I liked the way the game looked before; Dark and gritty. That tone perfectly matched the type of world that the Witcher series has. Now it looks colorful for wider audience.
Dark and Gritty was the choice for “wider audiences” during the whole PS3 generation
it is more colorful but go look at the 35 min demo and the sword of destiny trailer, both are gorgeous and both are colorful, its hard to say what exactly changed through development to influence mood.
You hit the nail on the head there the saturation reminds me of gta 4 blocky flat colours which don’t lend to any atmospheric or tonal feel
Seriously? Valley and heaven benchmarks look a lot worse than Witcher 3. Firestrike doesn’t look better than W3, it’s just full of effects for stressing the GPU but the overall scenery is pretty poor.
And no, PCs are in practice not 10 times stronger than consoles. In a real graphics performance comparions even a $3000 PC isn’t more than 2 or 3 times better than the next gen consoles.
Really dude, leave the weed under the bed, you have no idea of what you are talking about. Go ahead, check the crappy hardware that the new “next gen consoles” are carrying now. Cheap mobile processors, no real graphic processing power, they even cut down on their frequencies to lower down the heatsink costs. And this is the result. Giving money to CDPR so they downgrade their game for their consoles dont look like crap compared to PC.
Seriosly, go and read some about both consoles, and then come again.
5-10x over consoles is not really hard to do on a 3k computer. 4k at 60fps is pretty much 10x consoles. Considering they struggle with 900p at 30fps.
I know exactly what you mean:
2013 footage: http://i.minus.com/ilo8ZEuf1yn7w.gif
vs
2015 footage: http://gifyu.com/images/W2475ee.gif
It’s still OK I guess…but man that atmosphere…completely butchered it! 🙁
I really hope mods will be able to fix it…either that or some high texture pack or Dx12 update. *Fingers crossed
Damn that 2013 footage is gorgeous. And yeah, so is the 2015 footage, but the ’13 is much more my style. Here’s to hoping that your DX12 update/texture pack could be a thing! 🙂
that dark themed 2013 graphics was what we were promised. I wont buy this game unless it goes to sale later this year. I was thinking of preordering it.
Nobody promised us anything in 2013.
good luck with your $51 then.
Which $51? And how is that related to what I wrote?
fanboy spotted…..
lol
Promised? This is business, if devs show you a product, especially if they’re taking preorders, you would at least expect its quality to be on the same level 2 years later, not below.
Jesus, some people love being abused by corps.
“Jesus, some people love being abused by corps.”exactly,people like him are supporting them and they give such sh**ty downgrade as this.
If they’d been taking preorders in 2013, you might’ve had a point.
They started taking preorders on September, 2014 if I remember correctly. Makes no difference as my point still stands.
It doesn’t, really. The final game looks extremely close to what was presented at E3 last year, preorders are not a binding contract, and you had a very good idea of what visual quality to expect well before the release date.
Be upset with the developers for lowering the visual quality of the game in order to bring it to consoles without an additional project, fine. But don’t act like you were ripped off. You knew what you were paying for.
Watch Dogs fans want to have a word with ya. 😛
Looks boring…
Your 2013 vs 15 footage is lame as it only says 2013 and it is so short how can you actually do a real comparison?……lame-internet-trolling at its worst?
The first one looks like a Xbox game. Brown and dull.
I’m glad they changed it. It looks better.
SAY WHAT?
Even my troll detector cringed. Avoid these kind of comments, and don’t get mad about them.
This doesn’t prove any sort of “downgrade”, it could easily be just a matter of the dynamic weather, time of day and location. Simpletons
Zzzzzz
Looks like to me they just did not add the color and your crying about them adding color?
aaaah that is a game you have not even played?
Gee your not being a TROLL?
I’ve noticed the same thing. I loved how cold it looked. Now it’s so orange and full of colors.. >.>
That’s what I’m saying. It has a DA:I color palette now. It’s horrible. Have to get a SweetFX profile ASAP.
Witcher games have always run like absolute sh*t, so people don’t get your hopes up too much on it running any better cause of all this.
Also Ryse runs better for me than Witcher 2.
graphic whores everywhere.
downgrades were bound to happen. as long as the game runs fine i can manage. i am more excited about the path CDPR took with storytelling this time. i never quite enjoyed their fanfiction stories, now with Ciri things are gonna change and feel more legit. i can’t wait to till may 19.
If they didn’t overhype the nextgen power so much, maybe we wouldn’t have games that looked amazing getting shafted because the developers overestimated nextgen.
DSO really is turning into a wretched hive of scum and villainy..
Yeah. Because writing about the truth is villainy *slow clap
It’s not the articles I have a problem with…
Do elaborate 0_0
He speaks of the truth…oh glorious be thou
Enjoy IGN, Gamespot, PCG etc where they lick companies balls
I’ll give you points for that list. I’m just disappointed that people here are just slamming the game vs. on other websites where people are giving the ‘downgrade’ a shrug, as if it was expected. Not like the game isn’t going to be awesome and if CDPR wanted to make the PC version insane, graphics wise, they would’ve. I don’t think this can be entirely blamed on consoles but the fans of this site stop at nothing to trash multi-plat games for these same reasons, time and time again. Truth is, the games may not exist if not for the console revenue streams these AAA’s tap into, but that fact falls on deaf ears quite often.
W1 was a PC exclusive. We got W2. W2 was a PC exclusive for a long time and I’m pretty sure W3 was already in development before CDPR released it on consoles. So now, do PC gamers always have to be the one who should compromise ? So PC gamers have to just say “okay” when PC games gets “toned down” because consoles can’t run the game at high res when the graphical fidelity is kept intact when the vice versa could also work ? (meaning games could keep the graphical fidelity intact but ported to consoles at low res)
i understand what you say and even though i participate in the hate trains around sometimes as well i don’t always enjoy it but i also understand people here as well.
first of all, this article, at it’s core, is a clickbait (i understand the need for it) but it also speaks the truth.
second of all, blaming downgrade on consoles is normal because that’s the main reason.
third of all, CPDR’s main income is GoG.com, a PC gaming platform. so even without consoles, they would create Witcher 3. maybe it would take longer, but they would. they are trying to promote Galaxy. Remember Half-Life 2 and Steam? it is sorta the same deal.
4th of all, multi platform usually means, Sharing assets with consoles and by default, that usually leads to lower graphics. most companies don’t bother to spend extra budget to tap into PC’s real potential.
5th: other gaming websites rely on advertisement money, free coverage, free review copies etc a lot specially from Sony and Microsoft. you can’t expect them to cover something like Downgrade a lot because that would be an insult to them.
now beside these there are other reasons that are not consoles’ fault. for example some companies like to use old graphics so their game work on as many PCs as possible (The Sims 4)
and there is always the main reason behind most of these, Greed. even without consoles, companies would probably find a way to screw people. that’s how business is.
all and all, just like how IGN and Gamespot are filled with immature kids, DSO is filled with some creepy haters as well. nothing is perfect.
Thank you for an awesomely unexpected reply. If comments here were so measured and rational all the time, this could be a premier community for game discussion. Thanks, those points certainly gave me some things to consider. Cheers!
Nah, that’s just youtube compression and different time of day and we are full of sh*t. /sarcasm.
Oh SaberEeedge … come out come out wherever you aaare
Everything I’ve listed is in there 0_0 what do you wanna say ?
I will state again what I stated back then to those saying we are being graphics wh*re.
If you don’t like graphics, go back to playing 8/16 bit games and never touch a 3D game again in your life —__— . Graphics is part of why the game is appealing. I mean, after showing that kind of graphics (the early 2014 trailer reveals) . Only people with low standards (or pretenders like you) would settle with a lower quality
don’t bother with those type of people. remember Console gamers and their attitude toward graphics? now they are fighting each other over 1080p. #1 reason indies are not popular on consoles = low graphics. true story.
Witcher 3 still has good graphics though but yea it won’t be what it could be which is a shame. still can’t wait to play it.
As an experienced graphics wh*re:
“Meh… I am unsure.
WItcher 2 looked worse in late pre-release trailers than it did after release. Go look up the old trailers, then fire up the game on Ultra. See the difference?
STALKER SoC and Clear Sky too looked worse in all their pre-release trailers and screenshots. They looked better on Ultra on release than even their latest trailers.
And after 1.0003 and 1.5.06 (for Clear Sky) they looked even better.”
Also, again, as part of the elite of graphics whores, even I would play a good game (in this case, story is most important to me) rather than a bad one. No matter the graphics.
The game was at first barely playable on a 980. It was running at utra settings but there were dips to the 20s. Now it’s running locked 60fps ultra settings. Yes, there’s been a downgrade but at least the performance has been improved as well. The game still looks great compared to other games and is by far the best looking RPG out there. I have no doubt it will still be a masterpiece, just like it’s predecessors.
that is true, if downgrade leads to better performance i’m ok with that. but at the same time i don’t get devs and why they are showin their games at that stage. i for one lose my trust in them when this happens.
I think it’s because when they showcase it, they want the world to see the best version of the game. Watch Dogs has opened gamers eyes. I’m betting many games before WD were also downgraded. As long as I get acceptable performance on my 270X, I’ll be happy.
yeah, but their vision is wrong, it count as false advertisment
I agree 100% Amir
Witcher 2 Enhanced edition on PC is still one of the best looking DX9 games period. Even better looking then many DX11 games. Yet Witcher 2 on Xbox 360 looked like I was trying to play the PC version on a $100 gpu.
I don’t know I am starting to worry that the downgrade is real.
You can achieve better performance in a High End game by lowering your graphical settings but you can’t get those high quality assets back that were replaced with new ugly ones after downgrade.
Back then it was also unfinished game with no optimization. Of course it was not going to run well in that state. Better graphics don’t mean bad performance in every case. Watch Dogs for example runs better with hidden options enabled.
To be fair, CD Projekt said they were using the same assets across all platforms. I’m gonna assume that the Bone couldn’t handle those assets so they decided to lower the quality. i know having different assets for each platform would have been too expensive for them.
“Expensive” when you already have them./sarcasm
That’s what I think too. The game’s world is huge. It was impossible for them to work on two separate games. They already had to rewrite the entire engine for Potato 360 and sales weren’t good. So they decided to have same assets on all platforms this time around because current gen Potatoes couldn’t handle the game. And despite being downgraded to oblivion, the different in some scenes between PC and PS4 footage is still quite noticeable. These new Consoles are fvcking disaster as far as hardware is concerned.
People who played it in Poland a couple weeks ago said there were drops below 60 on a 980, and that was with Hairworks turned off. But they also said it was an older build so it may be more optimized now.
-Hey guys, let’s optimize the game!
-Yeee!
-So, how’s the FPS on Ultra?
-Well sir, about 25-30fps on the best single GPU we have now. But no worries, it runs great on multiple GPUs and will give extra life to the game and our PC fans will be so happy!
-How about on high?
-On high we have 60fps!
-Ok, we’ll change “high” to “ultra” and just throw away the extra settings.
-But… our fellow gamers? We are gamers ourselves, we have principles!
-It’s “optimized”. Send it to “print” and the marketing minions!
-Ok, I guess… But the PC k+m controls?
-Just throw something there before you leave the office. Fans will defend us, don’t worry.
IGN, Pc Gamer, Kotaku, etc…. : “The Witcher 3 is gold and it’s glorious!”
Those extra settings will probably be unlocked by modders, creating better quality meshes, enhanced draw distance
Hell, if its as easy as watch_dogs like E3_bloom = On this time around, I’m going to be seriously pissed at CDPR.
To be honest, I would have been pissed, but not so much if it was EA, Ubi or whatever. But their ranting about how much they appreciate gaming and PC in general and how they are doing like gamers for the gamers only to pull a Bethesda and Bohemia (other companies that let the players actually finish their games and get away with it), it’s disguising. Even more so after the GMG (and other retailers apparently) blow up.
This isn’t a discussion anymore about extra development time since it was already done, but rather a “cut here because M$ and $ony say so” or “we can’t possible put a lower version for consoles out there. We’re gonna look like we didn’t even try”. And of course, they’ll run and cry how PC gaming is full of filthy pirates and there is no money in it. Remember Cevat Yerli and his dreams of reaching CoD sales? Same curious case of CDPR.
Either grow a pair and don’t downgrade stuff on a open platform (ergo, no limits) or at least don’t go and spread BS and build false hopes and shady advertising.
Wasn’t there a post sometime which said the game was running at 45fps on a gtx780 with 8x msaa?
Yes, the game now can do 60 fps, but it does not look great comparing to competition any more.
Wonder how many people have the hardware to run the 2013 visuals @ 60 FPS?
Wow.
Thanks for the flame-bait, DSOG. Didn’t know you were that desperate for clicks. You could’ve at least waited 10 more days then made your own comparison. Hell, you could’ve had the review copy by now if you had just bothered to ask REDs for it.
Anyway, always funny looking at an angry mob of “gamers” discussing game development practices and other things they’re completely clueless about.
Yeah, like false advertising, right 0_0 ?
“False advertising” is not a term to be thrown around that lightly but yeah, that too.
PS: I’m not interested in indulging in any further discussion.
But it’s true. When someone showed you something for the first time to get you interested and then they showed it to you for the second time and the quality didn’t match, that’s text book bait and switch. And there are many ways to avoid that like putting an “Aplha/Beta phase. Graphics may change” text. Instead, they put an “IN GAME FOOTAGE” text and that’s all in big letters in bold 🙂
those nitpicky MSpaint images are hilarious. As for downgrade its inevitable when nextgen consoles were underpovered on arrival.
And if this downgrade allows me to play it on good enough framerate even on my laptop i am glad they did it – for f’s sake its openworld game so its impossible to have every textue in the game top-of-the-line
full of exaggerations.. “no dust” when geralt is not even moving let alone riding the horse. GG scrubs.
SaberEdge/Shinobi ? Oh come on. Use your main account, dude 🙂
9 more day’s then we get to see the real Final Build 🙂
Where are the people who said that it didn’t got downgraded ? In case you haven’t noticed CDR sold you out to get some easy console money.
I did.
So one more dev lying their teeth of. Lying dipshits scum!
One more dev console sellout, hope no pc gamer buys this CRAP
F*CK those DIPSHITS lying bastards!
It’s been like this for ages. Lesser known studios make masterpiece games for PC then they are noticed by Sony and M$. Their later games are dumbed down/downgraded for Consoles and then new devs come in to replace them. Cycle continues.
The only reason why people are surprised this time around is because no one expected same treatment from CDPR, a company that brags about being honest.
If the downgrade is really this bad then I will be shocked. DX11 will be to blame. Or they will say we had to or nobody would be able to run the game unless they had Titan X cards in SLI at 1080p…
They’ll try to sound nice by saying that they want everyone to have same experience because everyone is equal and we love everyone equally. Fanboys will be like “CDPR why u so gud???”
Well we still have 9 more days before we get to see the real final build. I just hope it’s worthy of putting my 970’s in SLI to use. Heck this game is the reason I got another 970….
I hope story is good. That’s what I care about the most but better visuals could’ve helped too (immersion and stuff).
Well we don’t know 100% just yet since we truly don’t know what the final build really looks like. This could be trolling via dev at it’s best. Or the game will be the biggest let down of 2015.
Fingers crossed that will happen XD
That’s what I am hopping for… But it looks 50/50 with the way things been going.
Well so far even on conan’s clueless gamer review for witcher 3 they show what people thought was the xbox 1 version since they show the xbox 1 witcher 3 box yet it was a early build of the PC version they played the game on.
Not to mention the gameplay that was from a early build and M$ used the xbox logo on the video when it was infact a early build on PC.
So it’s all up in the Air still.
exactly, i bought 970 for w3
Yeah mate, I guess that sums it up pretty good!
To bad it’s like that and that gives me shivers about the all rage Win 10 / DX 12 – I mean how good will the pc versions really by when those forces will set the hammer down, and we pc gamers will still have the same crap, just slightly better looking versions im afraid!
I hope im wrong but it’s hard to be optimistic when the world is such an ugly place, but hey maybe some new guys steps in via kickstarter and gives us proper superior looking games, but im not holding my breath!
As you said, when if the next game surely will be gimped, heh just take a look at Crytek, they sold out same as others. To think how good Crysis 2 and 3 would have looked when if it was not hold back by those dipshit Sony/MS pretty much forces the devs not to do the pc version any better!
Well money talks as allways, thats just the simple ugly truth :/
Don’t worry. Divinity devs Larian Studios will announce new RPG at E3. This time they are backed by publisher Focus Home Interactive. Currently 7 writers are working on this new project. Divinity OS had 2 writers. They are clearly listening to feedback. Don’t know why this news wasn’t covered by DSOG.
I just had a thought. If this game on PC is going to get a downgrade like the images we are seeing then this is what is going to happen in this order.
1 DX11 will be to blame.
2. Witcher 3 Enhanced edition windows 10 under DX12.
Thank you for bringing this up guys. Fanboys will be mad but I’m glad that at least there is someone who’s not licking devs’ as* unlike GS, IGN, PCG, lolTaku etc.
Retarded article for retarded people that care about retarded topics.
and you are retard person
They are known to be PC Developers in the first place.. Why would they hold back the PC (Their Main Platform) for Consoles? I don’t get it.. They obviously had to tone back a few things to get it running more smoothly.. This happens all the time.. Be patient.. another 10 years and we won’t have this issue.. Eventually visuals will be so top notch that they will be life like.. I mean.. honestly.. we aren’t THAT FAR AWAY… give it a bit more time and we will be there.. definitely before we are dead and gone..
“Vertical Slice” 🙁
its like low vs extreme setting
i knew i wasnt trippin when i thought it looked sh**ter, lovely, still gonna get it though, looks like a fun game, i guess people are just gonna have to make graphics mods, like how they almost fixed watch dogs lol. just show us a sh**ty graphics game at the start and then later through the process show us how youve improved, not the other way around, i know theres probably alot of factors that made it end up like this but still.. kind of false advertising, but at least they are open about and not like ubisoft saying nah its just the old console versions that look sh*t, go buy it.
Next we know, CDPR is being acquired by ubisoft/EA.
A lot of these “downgrades” could easily be explained by difficulty in game time of day and weather conditions. That said if you want to blame anything for a downgrade in things like draw distance or geometry blame the consoles. PC can have basically infinite draw distance since hardware constantly gets more powerful. Consoles on the other hand dont. Since cdpr can’t afford to make multiple versions of a single world they Make one for all platforms like every other company ever.
Also people seem to forget when a game is unveiled years before release we are seeing a target render. That render is based on expected average hardware power in x # of years. Its likely the original unveil was running on some unholy powerful hardware like 4 titans. Hardware hasn’t evolved enough to allow similar performance to be attainable with average gaming PCs.
Also downgrades have been happening for 30 years. Its what happens when people demand early access to information based on guess work by the dev on what they can achieve with said figure hardware. From the looks of it its likely nVidia told cdpr that their hardware would be capable of doing something in 2015 that it still can’t do at a reasonable price with dx11.
Looks like a Watch Dogs type downgrade, thanks consoles.
Not consoles, DEVs and poor coding my bro 😀 Still grass in Crysis 3 is the best grass in games, and Physics in C3 is very good -> we don’t need GW (Dead Ageia PhysX) propertialy crap to downgrade PC Games and hold back Industry !
imo it’s consoles. they have marketing deal with MS, preload is only avaliable on Xbone right now and no other platforms, and they didn’t even show 1sec gameplay with keyboard and mouse, only xbox controller.
CDPR sold us out, I suppose it was only a matter of time like Crytek.
Unfortunately people aren’t seeing that, they’re too busy defending them and not seeing that the PS4 and XB1 is too blame, honestly if they just had the same approach of witcher 2, PC first, console down the road but yeah they succumbed to the cash along with breaking all their promises, at least they’ve stated mod tools and mod support.
Can only hope modders stumble upon hidden settings ala the Watch Dogs graphic mods.
Nvidia Gameworks is what happened here. Every game with their stamp runs like garbage
nvidia gameworks usually kills performance, i agree but this right there is not related to that. we don’t know about it’s performance yet, we know it’s downgraded heavily and they said it runs 60fps on a 980 but it has stutters and dips below that even without hair works.
It was to fit pc users crappy hardware. The average steam user’s pc is
weaker than a ps4, but you idiots shout “console!” every 5 seconds
because you heard some other idiot do it.
No, I just have more knowledge than you.
the average steam user’s PC is not a solid fact and it’s 120 130 million users, they are enough people with better hardwares and they are more people that didn’t filled the survey. also the average for nvidia cards on steam i guess was between 660 and 760 which both are powerful enough. that being said, do you remember when crysis 1 first came out ? no hardware could max the game and gave you a playble fps but it was a successful game and it’s visuals were way ahead of it’s time, that means average of PC hardwares specially on steam are not that important.
The average steam users PC is a lot more powerful than what you are lead to believe mate.
LOok at the steam charts again.
OMG 😀 Thats Great 😉 Maby this is new Next-gen? or maby just lack of Great coders and ability to optimise code? or maby it’s the GW (when was implemented?) just maby will be better on DX12?
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Move along ->
http://i59.tinypic.com/34t8tx2.jpg
console parity… and people thought MS just paid for exclusive collectors edition… no doubt they also had a clause that it had to be similar to xboner in visuals…
Yo, John,
(.)(.) here from G3d. That isnt my work. I dont know whos it is,i just found it via google.
Full credit goes to the actual, uhm..author?
http://i.imgur.com/G2kWij9.gif
Game still looks good, here’s gif from PS4 version.
http://www.gamepressure.com/e.asp?ID=51
After reading this article, I really regret having preordered Witcher 3 on Steam… another great PC game/series down the drain due to consoles. I’m gonna cancel the pre order, and remember not to buy their next game either.
The difference is that not only did you pull an Ubi like watchdogs, which is bad enough, but at least Ubi and Watchdogs didn’t start on the PC, and didn’t always developed with the PC in mind FIRST, like CDPR did, and like they said several times in the early development days that it would remain the case for The Witcher 3, in several interviews. That interview clearly shows that it’s no longer the case.
That being said, I’m sure you’ll make a lot more money than before because you’ll sell a lot more with the consoles in mind, but you won’t get my money, a decision I made towards Bioware aswell after Dragon Age: Inquisition, for the exact same reason.
The shady concepts of “selection” and “using single examples/situations in order to state general principles” seem to be rather unknown outside of the acadamic world. Shame.
None of these examples here are sufficient to proclaim a general downgrade. None of these examples are even honest enough to mention “positive” changes.
These examples are carefully chosen (selection) in order to serve as proof for a point that is nothing more than speculation at this point. Even worse, the examples don’t even fit together, as we neither know the specific settings nor have the same weather, lighting, and general environments.
It should be pretty obvious – from a theoretical point of view – that you have to make compromises for certain, specific locations in a video in order to maintain a good framerate. Novigrad could be such a place since it has a high density of objects, scripts and details. So reductions in the visual quality there are likely during the optimization process. You might call that a a situative downgrade (I call it just natural game development and optimization) but that isn’t at all sufficient to proclaim a general downgrade in all situations and areas. Other screenshots and videos prove that many elements of the game were improved. Others show that just the art design and aesthetic feel was adjusted without changing the tech or features. Others show just a different combination of assets, with both better and worse single elements.
And after all, comparing a random gameplay video with an early PR trailer is just bollocks in general. It both denies the nature of the trailer and the specific background of the gameplay video.
So just calm down, guys. Nothing happens apart from people who want to get famous on the internet by making up things. After all it’s so easy to criticize and to find failures. Much easier than showing that the whole thing in general has improved…
There’s nothing made up about the downgrade, you yourself said it’s prefectly normal, while also saying it’s just internet making up things.
Then you say “After all it’s so easy to criticize and to find failures. Much easier than showing that the whole thing in general has improved…” no one ever saw the whole thing so how to you propose people see an improvement, when the comparisions that can clearly be made are the comparisions of what was shown before, and whats being shown now.
CDPR have already admited the draw range and textures are the same for consoles and PC. I’ve cancelled my pre order.
Of course there is something made about the not-existing downgrade.
There is a big difference between: changing and downgrading and situative downgrades and a general downgrade.
And no, CDPR never admitted that the draw distance (that’s the correct term) is the same on PC and consoles. They just said that there is no slider on PC but you can already see in the videos that the draw distance is far better on ultra settings on PC than on PS4.
Textures are the same, so what? I don’t see the issue. They NEVER promised better textures for the PC version in the first places so that’s not a downgrade at all.
And why exactly did you cancel your preorder? Do you really think the game is much worse just because the graphics are changed a bit? What about story, world, characters, gameplay and so on? All worth nothing just because the graphics were slightly changed? I don’t get it. That’s just internet stupidity at its finest, sorry.
“Platform unification exists – we have a single build, which is distributed to each one of them. The game is the same; the draw distance is the same. Minor differences result from the fact that the GPU has different parameters on different consoles, which can result in, e.g., the changes in color temperatures.”
That was from Adam Badowski, managing director of CDPR, on an interview at gamepressure(dot)com / e.asp?ID=51. Read it up before talking out of your but and saying people are coming up with bs.
I’ve cancelled the preorder, not because I think the game will be bad or that it will even look bad. I’m cancelling because I don’t wan’t to give anymore of my money to a company who started with PC, made their name on PC, made Witcher 2 as a potent PC benchmark, and now is going all “parity” and consoles…
Will they make more money from it? sure, but not from my money anymore, and that doesn’t mean I won’t play their games anyway.
Again, before insulting others and talking about stupidity, get your facts straight, or just ask in case you are wondering about something that doesn’t make sense to you.
A fundamentalist in entertainment. It would be funny if it wouldn’t be so sad…
Don’t get me wrong. I’m 100% PC myself and I hate consoles. But I’ll never trade my own entertainment for making a point nobody is interested in. Believe, nobody will care if you buy the game or not.
And whatever you do, there is no excuse for piracy. Either you like what they offer and pay for it or you don’t like it, don’t pay for it and DON’T PLAY IT. Simple.
And I don’t have to read interviews. I can already watch VIDEOS in which you can clearly see that the draw difference is not the same on PC and console, no matter what that guy said.
Well you’re the funny one, you don’t believe the managing director of the game when he says the drawing distance is the same for all platforms???
On the piracy note, it’s funny everyone goes thinks of it when someone says they’ll play it but won’t buy it???
You can borrow games from friends, you can use their consoles, their steam, you can rent games, you can wait for the game to practically be free 2 or 3 years from now, not pirating anything, but not giving them money either. But hey, you said it yourself, no one cares if I buy it or not, so don’t care either how or when I intend to play it, because I will.
Again why am I even trying to talk to a guy who says he doesn’t believe what the actual game managing director himself said, he knows what he knows because he’s seen it himself the draw distance is different. But wait, didn’t you see it , those videos, on gaming sites? the exact same ones that put up the interviews aswell? … oh wait, reading… too complicated.
He makes a point though. You still intend to play the game because for all intents and purposes, it will still be a great game but you won’t buy it just not to support CD Projekt? Based on morals? Nobody’s gonna care if you buy it or not. Just buy the game and enjoy it because you probably will.
Principle? they are making extra money by making a console game, I’m saving money due to that. No one needs to care about it, only me 😉 but if he doesn’t care that I buy it or not (or you for that matter), why should he care that I pirate the game, borrow it, play it at a friend’s house or whatever?
It’s interesting that many “defenders” or “fanboys” are quick to say we don’t care don’t buy it, but they are outraged if someone says they’ll pirate it, which I didn’t really say I would did I?
On a side note, their official forums are being hit with usch a sh*t storm already, that they are non stop deleting posts and banning users untill the game comes out, myself included, because hey… don’t you ever go complain about a game and it’s direction on it’s offical forums 😛
Dude, I have read dozens of interviews and I’ve seen every single video released about Witcher 3. I think I know pretty well that the draw distance is not the same on console and PC ultra. You know, I have EYES in my head and I can see for myself. I believe my eyes more than the words of a managing director who isn’t even a real developer himself. I guess that concept is too complicated for you to understand. I guess you blindly believe everything other people say without questioning anything or without trying to get better information or – God beware – even try to figure it out for yourself by experiencing the thing firsthand.
Pn the piracy note: it’s funny that you mention renting a console version from a friend while you said prior to that that you won’t buy the game because it’s made for consoles. That doesn’t add up. If you want to wait until later, do so. I don’t care.
But why do I even waste my time with internet shitstorm…
Anyone that is giving CDPR sh*t over this clearly has no clue how much can change in two years of game development. The game still looks better than any other open world game EVER and the gameplay / story are going to be the t*ts.
And that monster at 4/5 2015 bild looks like from Quake III 1999. Awful!!! Maybe PC version in ULTRA will be close to 2013 bild???
i remember we hoped watchdogs on PC may trun out to be great but it was the same. witcher 3 ultra on PC = consoles = parity, with slightly better textures or maybe higher frame rate with high end machines (sli titan X or 3 gtx 980 etc…)
These companies need to start getting lawsuits over this. It’s blatant false advertising, not only for the game itself but for “next gen” consoles as a whole.
We were shown fake gameplay trailers with high quality graphics and stable frame rate, implying that would be the final product. Some of these companies even put “pre order NOW!” at the end of fake trailer. I don’t see how this isn’t a scam.
pretty much this.
I knew this all along… It’s inevitable these days. What do you got to say now SaberEdge!? You always defended this title when people were talking about downgrades…
It’s a sad phenomenon that more and more great looking titles suffers from. Remember when we got to see the first screenshots of Half-life 2, Doom 3, and Far Cry? They looked even BETTER when the final builds were released, today it’s the damn opposite!
What is causing this? Money? Consoles? Both?
My guess is on both, but there’s a good chance this has been happening lately because the developers expected more from the console tech, and we’re still seeing the aftermath of that as these games were started being developed before the tech was there. Just a guess. Could also be that there’re just so much pressure for marketing that they are forcing footage out too early, before they’ve reach any kind of optimisation stage in development.
It was to fit pc users crappy hardware. The average steam user’s pc is
weaker than a ps4, but you idiots shout “console!” every 5 seconds
because you heard some other idiot do it
Nvidea Gamerworks happened
well…every game up to now with nvidia gameworks performs as bad as it could, we’ll see with this one what we’ll get.
Clickbait…
What are people whining about? Don’t like what’s happened with the game, don’t buy it. There’s a big ole REAL world out there with other things to do.
If they f’ this game up I’m going to lose my sh*t. I need this game to be perfect.
Apparently there’s going to be a DX12 patch down the road – much like Crysis 2’s DX11 patch. Hopefully it will bring the same big difference.
I bet they’ll put Global Illumination back in and add extra foliage and draw-distance because DX12 can put those on other CPU threads…
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Wow so much hate..I still think Witcher 2 looks good,the screenshots are probably from the consoles..prepare to eat your words when this game is played at ultra
Meh… I am unsure.
WItcher 2 looked worse in late pre-release trailers than it did after release. Go look up the old trailers, then fire up the game on Ultra. See the difference?
STALKER SoC and Clear Sky too looked worse in all their pre-release trailers and screenshots. They looked better on Ultra on release than even their latest trailers.
And after 1.0003 and 1.5.06 (for Clear Sky) they looked even better.
Everybody knows this is happening because consoles… Im not being a fanboy, you know sony drones and microsoft fanboys get mad when a game comes with much better graphics on PC, because they are not conscious of the weak hardware those boxes have so they think devs were lazy with the console port. I cant blame CD Projekt, yeah they are in a bigger market now, but at least they had to be honest with the people who support them from the beginning. Im not feeling “entitled” on any cd projekt game, just pointing out a basic term about the gratefulness, you dont lie to the people who have support you through years.
Prefacing not being a fanboy (stupid platitude in itself) and then calling people sony drones just demonstrates you being exactly what you claim not to be. I own a PS4 and I am certainly not mad about if a PC has “better” graphics, because I do not taking gaming so seriously. Not all gamers live in their mommy’s basement and put all their money into gaming because they have no life and are constantly trying to escape it through fantasy. The fact that this “issue” seems to be so important to some people is actually rather sad. Must not be much going on in their lives.
I agree on the being honest part. I don’t think the reason you give is necessarily true though (although we can only guess, obviously). I think the reason was just that to create a completely different base of an engine, assets, whatnot, so essentially a completely separate game for pc, just would have been too consuming in all aspects.
graphics dont make a game good and it never has.
Exactly, I just rented The Order 1886, and while it had some very good graphics, I found the game to be rather lackluster.
CANCELLING PRE-ORDER! ;D DOWNGRADE CONFIRMED!
Then cancel it. who cares?
You do apparently, otherwise you wouldn’t have commented on it.. which thus, shows some form of caring! Hhahahahahahhah!
Really? Or did I reply to point out your narcissism in thinking anyone would actually really give two bleeps whether you bought the game or not?
Surprise, surprise: they f*cked it up.
Really? Really? They f*cked it up? Over dramatic much? I think I’m really going to enjoy this game.
Those first two images that everyone is going crazy over look to be different city gates. See how the bridge extends past the beginning of the cracked wall in the first image, but not nearly as far in the second? Additionally, the first image bridge has a railing on the right side, the second image lacks it.
Also, there is much more wall to the left of the big arch opening in the second image compared with the first.
As for the crack on the wall not being nearly as visible, that can easily be explained by lack of tessellation. The second image seems to be utilizing POM instead. For those who don’t know the difference between the two, POM uses shaders to give the illusion of a surface being bumpier as if it had additional geometry. Tessellation actually adds geometry and makes surfaces like brick look FAR different because each brick individually sticks out. Those images are from different times of day which makes comparisons much more subjective.
BTW…. those nVidia screenshots aren’t necessarily from the PC build since both PS4 and Xbone utilize quite a few Gameworks features.
And to further back up my statements, watch this nVidia Gameworks video where they cycle through different settings and look how incredibly different the game looks. The enabling/disabling of effects can account for 75% of what the complaints are about.
Also, I was just reading CDPR’s site and it seems that second image came from a PS4 running sub-1080p. A few of the others are too.
https://youtu.be/3SpPqXdzl7g
sure, nvidia posting ps4 screens. Why not posting x1 screens also so we do the complete set?
The downgrade sucks yes but you guys are blowing it WAY out of proportion.
http://i.imgur.com/QcOH0nT.png
Nvidia took down the pic, so we don’t know what the final version looks like.
http://i.imgur.com/ozAzLD2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gQybtzD.png
http://i.imgur.com/admvLGj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JjyfctD.png
Scripted trailers with post effects added.
This is also part of the script trailer:
http://imgur.com/a/LuFi6, but no one will use these to compare lol.
Not one of them are comparing gameplay.
B-B-BUT, BUT… CDPR ARE MY HEROES!!! THE DOWNGRADE IS A LIEEEE!!!1!1one!
You have to look at games from a reviewer eye not a blind fanboy
I wouldn’t have noticed or cared if it hadn’t been pointed out to me in an article like this one. In fact I still don’t care, but the comparisons themselves are interesting and to me somewhat subjective on how much better the old footage is compared to the new footage. Grass clipping is an issue of course, but 99% of the rest of what they pointed out looks different to me, but not better.
look it up on youtube… E3 2013:Witcher 3 Nvidia Effects, none of those demoed there are shown in the latest footage of gameplay on PC ultra, even the animal fur is completely downgraded. It’s not subjective at all, it’s not there.
What part of “I still don’t care” do you not understand? As far as I’m concerned the game looks good. If it receives good reviews i will consider buying it. I will also NEVER own a PC capable of playing it on ULTRA settings so that means even less to me because I doubt I would have ever seen whatever you’re talking about anyway. What the game looked like at the “dawn of time” means nothing to me at all.
So, on your post you said you couldn’t see it, so in case you weren’t completely blind, I pointed out a video that would show some clear differences, but yeah you don’t care, so just start with that and stick to it, you don’t care, nothing else. You don’t care how it looked, how much it got downgraded cause you’ll just play it on mid to low, fair enough… that was never the point of the article or the people who can see and complain about downgrades.
The point of the article was click bait. My point is even if the game is less visually appealing it takes nothing away from the game except that that animal now has fur or that grass is clipping when you can’t change it anyway. I don’t consider it a downgrade if the game can now be run on more platforms vs. the top 1 percent or whatever.
ok.
Click bait is more like when someone gets deceived from a headline or title, and click the article, and this is not the case, just because you don’t care about it, doesn’t make it less true. I had pre ordered the game, I saw this, clicked it, read it up, investigated some more, read other sites and game dev interviews about their “platform uniformization” and discovered, that they didnt want to bother with PC, so the game will have the same draw distance and textures in all platforms including PC, and for me thats’t ridiculous… so pre-order cancelled. For me this article was very informative and made me want to know more.
Dude, you can be way more polite and less “aggressive” than that.
Okay.
Game doesn’t look anywhere as good as GTA V. It has nothing to do with “how much it can change in 2 years of development”, they simply tried to scam people into pre ordering the game and downgraded it to be on par with consoles.
No game looks as good as the first trailers. Can’t wait for people to see the star wars battlefront graphics. All they showed so far was tech demos.
True, but it’s one thing (that is already bad enough) to have early deceiving videos and screenshots, it’s an entirely different matter when the developers say that there is parity between the consoles and the PC and so the game will have the same textures and the same draw distances, in both consoles and PC… that’s just ridicullous.
Witcher 2 looked way way way way way better than first trailer.
Are we talking about the update version because they increased the graphics for it. They will prob do the same for the witcher 3
Sorry to say this sir , but this article is just click bait. Yes there are some downgrades i agree, but you are picking some of the worst screens which are compressed or in lower settings ( just go to the official fourms, there is a 300pg discussion).Wait till the game is released before jumping.
if there really is some major downgrade, i will be the guy in the front passing pitchforks to everyone
The only people crying about it are PC people, and rightfully so. CDPR was supposed to be above the console/PC parity.
Can’t really blame CDPR for this sh*t, only the consoles. Putting that aside i believe the gameplay and the amount of content this game will have will offset the downgrade to some extent.
Giving them the benefit of the doubt. I do agree they never promised anything with the trailer and have always stated “Wait for the game to come out see for yourself”. I mean, nobody can sue a movie studio because a movie trailer looked better than the movie actually was.
Bad analogy. Try this one: you go to a car dealership and make a down payment on an unreleased car. The prototype looks freaking amazing and with more work on it, it should be even better But when you go back to receive it after 2 years they give you a car which features are way off the one they showed you first.
Even worse analogy. But as many have stated, feel free to get your money back, it’s not too late to get a refund for a pre-order. Wait for the next great thing to come along and don’t play the Witcher 3. If it is good game people, will buy it, if it’s not, they won’t. I’m going to take my chances with this one due to the good previous track record.
I’m taking my chances on this game too. I don’t play many games, but I did play Skyrim and really enjoyed it. I think this one will be even better. I’ve never played any Witcher games before, so I don’t that to compare this game to.
Even worse analogy. Don’t buy the game, or get back your pre-order, and wait for something else. Anything else you need to know?
Yes, your opinion on the dev’s way of doing things.
Grow up. Your power as a consumer stops at either purchasing or not purchasing the game. If you don’t like the developer or the way they do things, then don’t buy the game. Nobody cares how disappointed Martin was on Disqus.
That’s where you are wrong, gamers should care, and make a stand. Will that change the BS downgraded game that CDPR did with The Witcher 3? no it won’t, but internet shitstorms do have consequences. Unfortunately with companies bought by other bigger companies, like EA did with Bioware, it just means that eventually Bioware will have alienated their original fan base, and be scrapped by EA like maxis etc etc etc.
But on “independent” companies such as CDPR, complaining, shitstorming may have different outcomes in the future.
And not just that, eventually PC gamers and developers get whats going on, and try “new” ways of making games. Many kickstarters failed, but there are several that are awesome, and PC centered.
Star Citizen (going on 87 million dollars made and the game isn’t even out), Divinity: Original Sin, Pillars of Eternity and the upcoming Sword Coast Legends. All of these going away from the casual tipical trend bullshyt. No one would invest on a PC only mega highend benchmark SPACE SIM… too bad for them. turn based rpg? well Divinity made it big time. Real Time pausable rpg? Pillars and Sword Coast.
No one cares I cancelled my pre order? you’re wrong, there’s reason WoW asks why you are cancelling, a reason there are polls wanting to know your most hyped upcoming games. It’s fine that you don’t care, but when a big chunck of people say they will no longer get the game, or cancel a pre order, those big numbers are of a very big interest to the developer. Right now it’s just too late for CPRD, they are on active damage control trying to silence the uproar, eresing posts and banning people from their forums.
Downgrade or not, we still haven’t confirmed anything. If it was downgraded, well, @#$%. But when everybody is freaking out talking about pre-orders and legal responsibilities that CD Project Red has based on a trailer from 2 years ago, then we are being a bit ridiculous. Especially since we are talking about particle effects and how fire looks; and again, you can still get a refund for a pre-order or just not buy it.
Send a message by not buying the game or cancelling your pre-order, but internet flaming is just the foil to hype. It’s big, its loud, and really, it doesn’t mean anything. I am going to play the game, and likely enjoy it. If I don’t, I know for damn sure it’s not going to be due to the game not looking great.
They have given me two games I loved so far, and I am willing to take my chances on the third. Watching the AngryJoe footage and all of the leaked gameplay that has come out in the past few days, I am still not sure what everyone is so worried about. Still looks good, stable, and what I was told I would get. CPR has always stated, if you don’t think it will be good, wait for it to come out, read user reviews, and then make your choice.
I agree with you mate, they gave me 2 games I loved, those 2 games were focused on PC. Right now, it has been confirmed by CDPR managing director that the draw distance and max textures on PC are the same as the consoles, which for me is something completely ridiculous and unacceptable. It has nothing to do with more work or being multiplat, and open world multi plat game, good or bad has had better res textures and longer draw range possibility on PC. This is all about that BS parity between platforms, and that I really dislike, especially coming from a company that was made by the PC crowd.
I still believe it will be a good game, and I will still play it sooner or later, but it’s my money, I can make my stand. I will still play the game, rent it, borrow it, play it at a friends house, you know what, whatever.
I always say ‘vote with your wallet’ that’s really the only effective thing a consumer can and should do.
And I personally am not disappointed with the game itself, at all. I stated several times that even with the downgrade, the game still looks really good.
You evaded the question about your opinion on CDPR, you’re not a fanboy… are you?
And I should ‘grow up’ because you don’t agree with me? Are you for real, Stephen?
Seriously, if you don’t like the game, then don’t buy it, simple
It’s not even out yet. And I’ll probably like it overall, that’s not the point here. The point is CDPR’s shady ‘tactics’, which are no different from other devs/publishers, and fanboys being horrified/in denial of this.
The Witch Hunt for “Downgrades” Is Often Misleading and Always Obnoxious
http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/05/10/the-witch-hunt-for-downgrades-is-often-misleading-and-always-obnoxious/
WE HAVE STAND FOR THIS SH*T. I WANT THE GAME THAT WAS FIRST SHOWN TO US DAMMIT!!
Still looks good but I am getting tired of developers doing this.
Thanks, consoles. You are driving the gaming forward.
Didn’t CDPR already say a couple months ago that some things wont look as good as the initial reveal while other aspects will be much better?
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/cd-projekt-red-on-post-launch-the-witcher-3-comparisons-there-ll-be-fragments-where-the-game-looks-worse/
maaaan!of course the new console are a joke.consoles have always been a joke specially the last one with so much a big distance from PC hardware,yet calling themselves next gen!!
True, it doesn’t mean however that only high end PCs can run it, but it does mean that even high end PCs will have room for improvement, as the game does look outstanding at the moment, and is only getting better. For me concearning a PC game, that’s how it should be.
I blame consoles! I lost faith in CD Projekt and I wont buy this downgrade as a protest, so -1 sale, CD Projekt.
punishing CDPR won’t solve anything. they have GoG.com and obviously they want to compete with Steam so they are binded to us whether they like it or not. back in 2011 they got unlucky with huge competition so they didn’t sell as much, supporting them now is the best way to make sure they work on PC version even more next time.
That’s true. E3 behind the scenes demo was running on GTX 680 according to reports. It’s hard to find the source now but you can google E3 2013 demo facts.
It is useless to get excited for visuals of a multiplat. You should stick with PC exclusives only. Consoles will always hold back PC gaming. Only studios that can make High End PC games (with no downgrades) are the lesser known studios like pre Witcher 3 CDPR, or pre Crysis 2 Crytek etc. Unreal Tournament, Star Citizen, Total War Warhammer are going to be graphical showpiece. It’s still sad that awesome Witcher series is downgraded because of Consoles. Let’s hope that the gameplay ITSELF is not dumbed down, otherwise this will be greatest disappointment of all time.
This is WatchDogs all over again.. I can’t believe it’s happening, let alone to one of my favorite franchise. Deeply disappointed. I wonder how they will try to defend themselves, because they did say there was NO downgrade whatsoever, but truth be told.. this looks like an old game, ala Guild Wars 2 or Risen 2.
Give us the real Witcher 3. The game that you showed at first. The game that actually looks next gen and belongs in 2015.
P.s. Also change the colors, or give us the option to do so. Everything looks so much more colorful? Reminds me of that GTA4 option, the one that increased the saturation. I hope it’s just a time of day thing.
NEWS UPDATE – Regarding CDPR’s very transparent business tactics. They instigate customers NOT to buy Witcher 3 from reputable retailer Green Man Gaming, because they want to push their own service (GOG) for W3 launch.
GMG Witcher 3 keys are 100% legit, they bought them from other ‘CDPR approved retailers’ because CDPR would not deal with them and other, presumably lesser known, legit distributors.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/witcher-dev-disputes-39-witcher-3-promotion/1100-6427129/
In before they start sending 1000 euro fines, directly to legit owners of the game because they purchased it in GMG, like what happened with Witcher 2 and legit owners being tagged and fined for ‘pirating’.
And all this coming from the CDPR CEO, a former pirate and high-level warez distributor.
watch dogs wont be alone 🙁
Few photos are from Remigiusz Maciaszek video where he said that there is no “ultra graphics”, because some nvidia addons was not working.
Pos consoles and low end pc’s holding pc gaming back!
I’ll never understand how CDPR always gets a pass by so-called hard core rpg players. I just finished a replay of the first Witcher in anticipation of the new game. It was terrible. Far worse than I remembered. The story was muddled and uninteresting, the actual area to explore was very tiny, the recorded dialogue was atrocious, the side quests were MMORPG garbage like “go here, kill 3 of these, collect money”, the maps were linear, empty and ugly, the same 10 faces were used for everyone, the writing is amateur, the combat system is historically bad, the inventory system should be considered a war crime, and on and on it goes. And this is the special edition. I am getting ready for a go at Witcher 2. If it is as awful as the first, I won’t even buy the third one unless the reviews are just incredible. If the above tech changes are true, even on Ultra, then I’m out.
Some of the gameplay footage from 2015 comes from console while the 2013 were all on pc
UPDATE : The Xbox version of W3 has a dynamic scaling from 900p to 1080p depending on what’s happening in the game 0_0
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We’ll definitely give CD Projekt RED the benefit of doubt, however it
is pretty obvious that the final game won’t look as good as its in-game
2013 reveal trailer.”
You’re giving them the benefit of the doubt and then immediately conclude that a downgrade is obvious? Where’s the logic in that?
Giving them the benefit of the doubt would mean waiting til release before coming to such a conclusion, because breaking news: you don’t know the source of these screenshots.
Man, the bipolarism in these discussion!
😀 Just joking mate
funny it gets downvoted on n4g :)))
Most, if not all, of the older screenshots are not in-game, but in-engine and those two are drastically different. So sure maybe they did downgrade the graphics from in-engine graphics, they could have done that for any number of reasons, and if the graphics are downgraded and running Ultra 60 FPS with a 980 what do you think it would require to run in-engine graphics as seen in the older screenshots?
And another false advertising, thank you Cd Projekt for being a liar. Seriously how many lies this industry throw at consumers these years,remember (Oblivion E3 2005, Killzone E3 2005, Alien Colonial Marines 2011, Watch Dogs 2012, Dark Souls 2 2012 and now The Witcher 3 2015).
Uggghh this so god damn annoying. Can anyone trust E3 presentations anymore? I have one question….WHY SHOW PRETTY GRAPHICS WHEN YOU CANNOT ACHIEVE THEM? Also, its a pretty shitty move that PC players get shafted because I am pretty sure that a GTX 980 can most likely run those graphics showed in E3 presentation. I like Witcher 2 and CDPR but this just sucks. I hope the actual game is great, other wise it will end up as Watch Dogs 2.0.
I don’t understand why game Devs do that…They always do that crap, especially Ubisoft.It should be illegal. Damn false advertising , bunch of dishonest, lying *****. Why would you purposely downgrade your own game? Don’t they have any pride in their work? …..The level of downgrade is astounding. Couldn’t they just downgrade for the consoles but keep the original files for the PC version? They were gonna downgrade anyways so couldn’t they just apply the downgrade to the consoles?…..F******** idiots.
What does that have to do with anything about what it actually does look like??? I’m sure most of us do have a fairly good idea of what goes into it. And GTA V has pretty darn good textures in 90% of areas. Who cares about textures though. It’s not the textures that are the biggest problem. It’s all of it.
And 200% to 300% ISSSSS exactly 2 to 3 times more powerful. That’s what they are. That’s exactly what the guy said they are. No PC is 10 times more powerful than the consoles. I’m a PC gamer so don’t call me a fanboy. My Crossfire R9 290’s, i7 4770k and 12 GB RAM gives me about 2.5-3 times the performance of Xbox One.
PC gamers sign the petition and share! https://www.change.org/p/cd-projekt-adam-kici%C5%84ski-ceo-give-pc-gamers-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-experience-as-originally-intended-not-downgraded
It’s kind of obvious that, depsite Microsofts blatent use of PC footage to sell their XBOX 1 base lies, CDPR have simply made the changes needed to make the game run on the consoles. They are working probably the most demanding and graphically rich game ever made into a playable format on a console with roughly 1/2 the power of an “average” gaming PC.
I am quite sure that come May 19th, anyone lucky enough to have a fast i7 and a GTX970 or better is going to be playing a game that looks pretty much exactly like the original trailers. CDPR said months ago that “Nobody has seen ULTRA settings yet, we are leaving this as a surprise for people lucky enough to own hardware to run that setting…”.
In other words, for PC Gamers with decent rigs. Why would they want to show that footage before release and inflame the console owners even more? They are already calling for CDPR’s blood for their own consoles hardware limitations…
they showed ultra. it looks roughly like ps4 footage.
I agree they jumped the gun with their 2013 gameplay videos, but would would you have them do? Not release the game on consoles at all? It’s not a viable option, not with a production of this value. Try and remember that they didn’t even know the “next gen” console specs when they worked on this game around that time.
I agree with you, it’s annoying that even the most ambitious developers such as projekt red are having to make huge downgrades because of the console tech, but it won’t change. It’s part of how things are, and that’s it. For bigger projects such as this one anyway. There will be pc games that are exclusive that will look amazing though, but those will be smaller scale projects that do not need the funding and revenue to keep a group of hundreds of people working (real people mind you, with real lives, families and such).
Besides, we still don’t have the game on our hands, so we can’t be 100% certain there isn’t going to be another scale on settings above what we’ve seen. I’m not expecting there to be, but who knows. Whatever the case may be, I hope and believe this will be an amazing game.
CD Projekt Red downgraded graphics in the game because of those console peasants. Deal with it.
So for you, what determines if an RPG is better or worse than another, is its… graphics?
Please, do yourself and everybody else a favor and go back to CoD and refrain from posting about RPGs.