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Windows 10 Fall Creators Update completely fixes Forza Motorsport 7’s stuttering issues

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As we’ve reported in our PC Performance Analysis, Forza Motorsport 7 suffered from severe stuttering issues. Earlier yesterday, the Windows 10 Fall Creators update went live and to our surprise, Turn10’s racer is now completely stuttering-free on the PC.

After more than an hour playing Forza Motorsport 7, we did not experience a single stutter. We don’t know what Microsoft has done, however the game stuttered like crazy prior to this update.

We’ve tested the game on both NVIDIA’s and AMD’s GPUs, using the exact same drivers. And while we did not notice any framerate boost, our gaming experience was flawless. Thanks to the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, we were able to unlock the framerate and retain really high framerates. Framepacing was great and there weren’t any stutters even after our extensive testing.

We can confirm that Turn10 has not released any new update for the game, so this overall improvement is entirely thanks to the latest Windows 10 update. As such, we strongly suggest downloading it if you are planning to get this new racing game.

We’ve also tested Forza Horizon 3 and we did not notice any stuttering issues in that open-world racing game too.

It appears that all of Forza Motorsport 7’s PC issues have been resolved with the Windows 10 Fall Creators update. The game now runs silky smooth, there are no loading issues (previously the game could freeze while selecting a race) and there are no stuttering issues.

Here is a screenshot of Forza Motorsport 7 after playing for an hour.

Well done Microsoft!

97 thoughts on “Windows 10 Fall Creators Update completely fixes Forza Motorsport 7’s stuttering issues”

    1. The gains are because the Creator’s update was much slower than Anniversary. So basically we are back to Anniversary (finally). If you still have problems (which a lot of people are, as seen by the 100 plug page thread on the GEFORCE driver forum) and the problems are in fullscreen non borderless, go into properties in the EXE and under compatibility check “disable fullscreen optimizations”.

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      1. You don’t even need 7. Anniversary ran as good as 7 or 8. Just test Anniversary with stopped updates (google windows 10 stutter geforce and you will see how in the 118 page thread) vs Fall Creator’s with game mode on and off. Anniversary didn’t have game mode and game mode ran worse in previous Creator’s builds anyways on actual gaming PC’s with more than 2 slow laptop cores.

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          1. Gamers not = to total marketshare. Example my elderly mother took one look at Win 10 and said NOPE. Steam survey is probably a more accurate demographic.

          3. Why did you even mention your mother which has no clue about hardware or software? It’s like taking a childs opinion on life matters.

        1. 1. I’m still waiting for November 7

          2. Xbox One X use Window Fall Creators Update.

          3. Xbox One X have more games than PS4 or Nintendo Switch. For example Red Dead Redemption is available only on Xbox One (4K at Xbox One X)

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          1. 1. Yeah to bad u must wait. Only if there would be some other way to play games .
            2. So s*itbox one x is just a disabled/limited pc ? You can buy a pc plug in a controller lock the frames at 30 FPS and u get the same experience. But that meens u need to do more then buy a box and press a button .
            3 if you compare your trash with other trash its still a trash.

          2. “So s*itbox one x is just a disabled/limited pc”

            Xbox One X is like “PC designed for games”
            For example on PC you still need use very bad memory architecture. Memory divided between CPU and GPU in two separate parts. CPU use slow DDR4 memory and don’t see GPU memory. GPU use own memory but must copy it via slow PCIE to system memory to “talk” to CPU

            PC memory bandwidth:
            – DDR4 2400 dual chanell: 38 GB/s
            – PCIE Gen3 x16: 16 GB/s
            – average VRAM: 86 GB/s (GF 750TI), 250 GB/s (GF 1070)…

            Xbox memory bandwidth:
            – 326 GB/s available for both CPU and GPU. No need to copy memory, both CPU and GPU can work together on single copy

          3. 99.99% of peasants know nothing about numbers like this. They dont care if it have 500megabit / minute / terraflipflop. The see the new box what everyone have a d they buy it . Get all the 3 games what good for and play then for a year cuz there is nothing new on them .halo 6 forza 9 fifa 69 . And HW specs ? U wanna tell me HW specs . Arent shadow of war locked at 30 fps ? And evil with in2 ? And destiny 2 ? HEH ?
            A 50 $ 2core BUGET cpu can run them faster . How pathetic is that.

          4. “99.99% of peasants know nothing about numbers like this”

            That was true few years ago. But now every console gamer watch Digital Foundry reviews. Each single game or even beta is checked. You can see pixel count of even unreleased games: Battlefront 2

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b944ee56cfd64f5fd2f72400fc0e4c8499591acc7b7bb01ec27a8cbd41a5e66b.jpg

            Some games such as Witcher 3 was tested multiple times after each patch. Rise of Tomb Raider was tested by DF at least 10 times on any hardware. Last 4 years in on big performance battle because of those Digital Foundry reviews.

          6. Ou right . Now i see why console peasants are so quiet now because they realized how underpowered the consoles are . I can smell the dissapointment on their faces then they start the video and se a 30 fps lock on a next gen future system xbox one ultra 4k super system X . How casual some one has to be in order to buy something like that . I rather chop off my legs then play games under 60 fps .

          7. “99.99% of peasants know nothing about numbers like this… The see the new box what everyone have a d they buy it”

            Precisely. Regardless of Microsoft’s boasts about their latest 30fps gaming box the mainstream consumer will largely continue to ignore it in favour of Sony’s and possibly even Nintendo’s console/s.

            “A 50 $ 2core BUGET cpu can run them faster . How pathetic is that”

            Pathetic indeed. The Xbox fanboys including Sp4ctr0 obviously pretend to ignore such ‘inconvenient’ truths and instead obediently repeat the cherry-picked gospel according to Phil Spencer, i.e. ‘True 4K!’ and ‘6 TFLOPS!’, in the desperate effort to ‘prove’ that their corporate overlord’s 30fps gaming box is superior to Sony’s 30fps gaming box. Hilarious… in a pitiful way.

          8. “Xbox One X is like “PC designed for games”

            That must by why Microsoft gimped it with the abysmal AMD Jaguar CPU for glorious 20-30fps ‘cinematic’ gaming in most instances. gg

          10. “Xbox One X don’t use standard CPU”

            Correct. Xbone X has a substandard CPU. Hence all the 20-30fps ‘cinematic’ games as indicated by Digital Foundry. gg

          11. Don’t mind the fools on these forums. I’m a PC Master race guy and agree 100% with what you’re saying. Obviously on the high end the PC will always be king but for $500 you won’t be able to match the X1X performance on PC. I bet that anyone of my 3 gaming PC’s could trounce 95% of the so called PC only guys on these forums. With that said I have no issue whatsoever giving props to what Microsoft have created with the X1X. What’s funny is that I would bet money that most of the people here denouncing the X1X don’t even have a PC capable of playing any games at 4K. Yet they crap on a great piece of hardware that is 4K capable. Ya… most titles will be 30fps locked but how many of their PC’s could play Destiny 2, Shadow of War or Tomb Raider at a locked 60fps and at 4K? My main rig is a i7 4790k@4.8GHz with a Titan Xp and they are both water cooled and heavily over clocked and there are still games I can’t play at a locked 60fps. My GPU alone cost 3 times what a X1X costs! It’s ridiculous to downplay or crap on the new console. But we are in the biggest PC fanboi forum I know of… so ya.

          12. I also cant max every game 4K60fps on my 1080ti 2GHz OC, while many people on this site like to create this ilussion, that everyone here play games in 4K60fps. For just 500$ price microsoft have build much faster console compared to xbox one, and many people will be able to see games in 4K native or checkerboard.

            “”But we are in the biggest PC fanboi forum I know of.””

            People are insulting others just because they game on different platform. It’s very sad to see something like that, adults are so immature today.

          13. You’re the ones pushing the XBox around here on a PC gaming site, We don’t care about your XBox, so stop fueling the plastic wars fire.

          14. If people would stop insulting console users without any reason or post lies in regards to console hardware, I would not even talk about xbox on this site. Most of the time when I mention xbox I just add my 5 cents to the existing disscusion that people like you have started in the first place. This is site for people interested in PC gaming, technology and mods, but not every PC enthusiast must be poor and likes to limit himself to just one gaming platform. Many PC enthusiasts game also on consoles, but some people here behave like PC fanatics that hate every other gaming platform without any reason, and I dont like that.

          15. “or post lies in regards to console hardware”

            Look who’s talking lmfao. You’re the biggest liar regarding console hardware around here, you and Spec4ro that is. You said countless of times that the Box X has GTX 1070 level of performance. And when I showed you evidence that it wasn’t true, you just ignored it, even when I shoveled the proof right in your face. So I guess Hypocriticism where just added to the list of adjectives that describe you.

          16. I have posted more evidences, that proved otherwise, and even one developer compared xboX GPU to 1070GTX performance. People like you hard time accepting reality, because that would mean cheap console is as fast as your old 980ti.

          17. No you didn’t. You posted invalid evidence, if you post a video from game X with settings Y then the system specification must be presented, otherwise it’s not valid.

            “one developer compared xboX GPU to 1070GTX performance”

            Yeah, in a game favoring AMD with an in-house engine tailored toward AMD hardware, of course the RX 580 will preform similar to the 1070. Just a bad cherry picked example from you. I showed two other games which isn’t favored toward either team and proved that the performance wasn’t on the same level as 1070. Why do you keep bringing up what GPU I have? It’s not relevant to the discussion at all. You’re just a pathetic little kid from Poland who can’t admit you got exposed. So you ignore parts of the discussion where you lost and clinge on to pathetic bits and pieces taken out of context of our conversation.

    3. Major flaws with the video and comparison. 1) Testing the previous broken Creator’s update which has over a 100 page thread on the GEFORCE forum on all the problems and stutter it has in and out of game mode. Game mode also performs WORSE than non game mode in the last Win 10 version. 2) Testing game mode against game mode. A real test would be Windows 10 Anniversary, no game mode which is the last Windows 10 version to run well for everyone and as good as previous Win OS’s (7 and 8) against the game mode you tested here. This looks like complete snakeoil and Joker doesn’t even address or is unaware that the previous Creator’s has major problems, especially in game mode. If MS actually improved performance over Anniversary or Win 7 and 8 they would be shouting at the top of the mountaintops about it. In addition Joker doesn’t even test game mode on or off on the Fall update. Not only did his video fail to prove it was any better than older MS OS versions, but he failed to prove Game Mode is even better in the new update. All that said? Forza 7 was fixed with the update, but that is because the previous Creator’s was such a piece of crap or the game can use WDDM 2.3. Take a pick.

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      1. “If MS actually improved performance over Anniversary or Win 7 and 8 they
        would be shouting at the top of the mountaintops about it”

        That’s a very fair point. Microsoft are usually never slow to boast wherever possible so, as you suggest, if the performance gains were genuinely in line with what said YouTuber has presented then Phil Spencer and/or his acolytes would be trumpeting it loudly.

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      2. You been sleeping under a rock cause it was said and made clear Windows 10 CEF comes with major CPU Optimization, specially for CPUs with higher Core Count (AMD), which in turn can easily be the why games and the system overall are running better.

        Not to mention the other under the hood changes as always, read the Changelog and Windows Blog next time.

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        1. 1) Joker tested it on a 4c 8t I7. 2) I have one. 3) Learn to unpark cores on I7’s and up. If you have a Ryzen and cores are parked you are doing it wrong. Joker smokes A LOT and I’m not talking about cigs. He might be a nice guy for quick looks at stuff, but his benchmarks are usually wrong and he has taken a lot of heat for jumping to wrong conclusions before. You don’t think sites that get MS advertising money would be pimping these performance gains if they were legit?

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          1. This has nothing to do with parked cores, clearly you didn’t read neither the Changelog nor Windows Blog rately.

          2. Clearly you didn’t know that Creator’s update was much slower than Anniversary, had severe stuttering problems and not only did not most people know that, they also didn’t know how to fix it. All MS did was fix the problems Creator’s had and people want to act as if this is fantastic due to a video made by someone without a clue (Joker). The only thing that was improved was stuttering is gone in Forza 7 and that is WITHOUT game mode on to. The stuttering in other games that people say MS improved was what THEY BROKE to begin with. That is why there is 118 page thread on the GEFORCE forums where people were using Anniversary with stopped updates instead of Creator’s. So grats people. You have been on a BROKEN OS for months. You just figured this out. L O L. Also I told Joker this and he removed the post, because he wants to get as many suckers to watch his video and give him money as possible. He KNOWS the video and tests were bogus. He is just hoping the vid wil go viral and be linked by people who were duped. Like you.

          3. Great more nonsense, I never had performance problems to start with, a sure as hell didn’t have stuttering.

            Wanna cry, go cry on the NVidia forums, since NVidia refused to work with Microsoft on W10 compatibility they been running into all sorts of issues.

            Good thing I use AMD, never had Performance issues on W10, on the opposite really, it’s been running faster and more stable compared to W7 since day one, and it has only improved with each and every version of W10.

            Also claiming parked cores is a problem is another ridiculous assumption, clearly you lack any knowledge as to why parked cores exist in the first place.

    4. It looks like this win10 update improved performance a lot on AMD cards (AMD drivers always required better CPU), while Nv cards show just few fps gains.

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      1. Like I said I would hold off on that judgement. He tested broken game mode on last Creator’s vs something that looks like it isn’t broken. I saw zero gains on Witcher 3 on 2 AMD cards and that was in Novigrad. One was on an I5 and one was on an I7. Oh and the R9 290 crashed lol.

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      2. Nope, the guy replied in the comments saying he tested this on 2 other systems with Nvidia GPU’s and got similar gains.

        Also LOL we have the same user Id.

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        2. Yeah, you changed your user name from Prithvi Boinpally to PB probably because you didn’t like how easily i sniffed you out on the interwebz and used your info against you LOL. Too bad the name was already taken, IMO you should be the one changing your name, not him.

          Plot Twist: You two are the same person just two (or more) accounts.

          Laughable!

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          1. I didn’t ask him to change anything, I just thought it was funny.

            Are you still salty about being exposed for being an ignoramus? And you didn’t use any info against me, don’t know what you’re talking about.

            Congratulations you can use Google. So can I, but I’m not gonna stoop that low.

            Plot Twist: You’re an idiot.

            Laughable!

          2. Oh, you mean when you claimed that water with particles can’t have surface reflections? Or when you though that blur was added to the water like 50 yards out? And yeah, I used your info against you, like how you’re from India for example. You can use google? Well, I’m not stupid like you to put my real name out there so good luck with that lmao. I’ve already exposed you, and you ran out of arguments to fuel your horseshít with so you bailed out of the discussion. You’re claiming that you exposed me yet you’re the one that didn’t man up and complete the discussion. That, if something, is laughable. Try harder kid or better, crawl back to India you pathetic tool.

          3. The fact that you can reply with essays to me is so entertaining. Keep it coming lol.

            I was hoping by now you would understand that what I was referring to wrt the water was stochastic reflections. I knew I shouldn’t have assumed you would be familiar with CG. The rest of your essay is filled to the brim with incorrect recollections as well, but as I’ve said before I’ve spent far too much time engaging a buffoon.

            Knowing my name so that you can use it to make racist jokes isn’t “using it against me”. I’m not angry that you call me Indian, it’s what I am. What’s funny is that you think you’re being clever coming up with the most infantile insults.

            Goodbye Soet, and don’t bother replying. (Actually, maybe go ahead. It’s really entertaining.)

          4. AAaand still no word on my question regarding the Shitbox X. So predictable.
            You’re still avoiding the topic, trying to invalidate them just by saying they’re incorrect. I on the other hand actually have arguments on why. Why is it so hard to stick to the topic and respond to what I’m saying? Yes, I’ve used it against you, you changed your nickname as a result of that so yeah. And you’re claiming to know a lot about CG, still you make dumb claims and doesn’t reflect reality.

            “The rest of your essay is filled to the brim with incorrect recollections as well”

            Then elaborate on what’s so incorrect about them, let me guess, you can’t, since I’m correct about them. You’re pathetic as usual. And you lost this discussion, until you have ballz to respond to the actual content. Small ball chickenshít.

            Oh and by the way, I’m not against Indian people, I just still think you should crawl back over there, doesn’t make me racist. In fact, I have many foreign friend, but you’re not one of them.

  3. Good, now to solve the DX12 CPU threading issues, even DX11 games have better CPU threading than this.

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    1. They will never fix it because it was intentional decision to use less CPU threads. Turn10 have explained it reduced lag and game is more responsive that way.

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      1. Nobody else does this so it’s not a valid reason and why speical for the PC, they can’t do it on the console, so console less responsive, give me a break. it’s not needed, PC users have much more responsivness anyway by having much lower input lag via a monitor.

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        1. The game runs fine now. Even on my oldest card from 2013 (R9 290) which I don’t even use besides testing, the game runs at 1440p 8xmsaa ultra 60 fps with no stutter. That card has had like 3 owners now, the middle fan doesn’t even spin and I only got it back because that person upgraded to a 1080Ti. Game still ran flawlessly without stutter.Trust me. The port is now REALLY good. The problem was Windows 10 and it looks like this game might use new stuff that was included in the update.

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        2. It’s not how it used to be. I remember how games run on my first PC 17 years ago and games were very responsive, I could even play 30fps games. Now many new games on PC have lag, and sometimes even 60fps gives me that slugish feeling when it comes to mouse movements. If turn10 wanted to improve lag, I’m glad they did it. Forza 7 still runs 120fps anyway even on less threads

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  5. In forza 6 apex it still stutter apart that i never had any stutter in any other games after original creator update i just disabled game mode

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    1. Well for one Joker is incompetent and Creator’s was busted in fullscreen (borderless seemed fine) especially on things like Gsync. Look at the comments and most people see no gains. Why? Cus they were running borderless on modest 60 FPS monitor rigs/tv’s or figured out how to fix creator’s by disabling fullscreen optimization under compatibility tabs on the exe file.

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      1. Being nuanced isn’t being a di*k rider. I’ve called out MS plenty of times before. Give credit where credit is due.

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  10. “all of Forza Motorsport 7’s PC issues have been resolved with the Windows 10 Fall Creators update”

    So the reported 100% utilisation of a single CPU core issue has been fixed too?

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    1. Not an issue at all anymore. Why they did it? No idea, but it doesn’t matter. I tried Forza on 3 GPU’s. A r9 290 which can run it at 1440p 8xmsaa without stutter (anything past that and it runs out of VRAM), a RX 480 which does the same and can push resolution percentage past 100 and a 1070 which stuttered like crazy before and now runs like a dream at 4k. The AMD GPU’s were running the new beta driver which has WDDM 2.3 on it. I would like clarification from MS if WDDM 2.3 was the actual fix or if it was fullscreen optimizations ruining Forza 7 (why would they not ruin other UWP though), but I doubt we will ever get it. One of those two was the issues though. Either Creator’s was FUBAR (it was on non borderless for sure) or the game uses new tech. It’s safe to buy now though. Happy driving.

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      1. My question clearly refers to CPU utilisation alone, not the stuttering issue in isolation which you’ve chosen to answer it with.

        “It’s safe to buy now though”
        Are you Sp4ctr0 in disguise?!

        “Happy driving”
        Microsoft’s game lacks a VR mode so that’s a deal-breaker.

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        1. LOL no. I unusually laugh at him and call him a sh1ll. I’m just saying the game is fine now. I also don’t care about VR until we can do at least 4k on each eye. VR looks like garbage at low resolution.VR was hyped a half decade or more too early.

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          1. Glad you took that in the light-hearted spirit in which it was intended, haha!

            As for VR then each to their own because I strongly disagree with your assertion. After having played the likes of Assetto Corsa, Project Cars and Dirt Rally in VR then any new so-called AAA racing game without it is automatically relegated to the status of bargain bin purchase if I purchase it at all.

            With Turn 10 Studios being a Microsoft Studios entity then we all know that VR isn’t a priority for them due to Xbone not doing VR. Further evidence, not that any were needed, that Microsoft remains console-centric regardless of Phil Spencer’s pretensions to the contrary. At least Drive Club and the upcoming Gran Turismo Sport on PS4 series consoles cater to VR so, as much as it pains me to say so, props to Sony for that.

    2. This was not fixed yet but when a modern-day CPU can run it with more than 100fps, it’s not a big issue (unless of course you own an old CPU with weak IPC performance).

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      1. Thanks for the clarification. I don’t personally class a game as having been truly “fixed” when it hammers a single CPU core at ~100% utilisation in an age where quad-core and above CPUs are the common standard. It’s good that things have been improved but they’re not yet properly fixed.

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  12. The Fall Creator’s update brought with it WDDM 2.3 and Shader Model 6.1 developer support for DX 12 (check the DXdiag), so if you haven’t updated drivers in awhile and want to play this game, now is the time. I would use DDU to uninstall the old driver in safemode as well to prevent problems. It’s possible the game needed something to do with the new WDDM to not be broken. If that is the case MS should have made a statement instead of letting Turn 10 take all the heat.

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      1. Yeah seems to help UWP the most. MS always said gamemode was really intended for UWP and to expect the big gains there. They prob can get past the overhead Barnacules talked about now. I just tested Witcher 3 on 3 cards. 1070 saw no gain and was stable. RX 480 same. 290 had no gains and crashed. AMD’s driver is still in BETA so it seems like it isn’t perfect yet. Could just be the card dying though, who knows. The last person to own it might have OC’d it to death before he upgraded.

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  14. Hmm … I don’t have a demanding game right now and I haven’t updated my win10 for quite a long time. I’ll try this when Assassins Creed come out

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  15. Performance aside they should fix that ugly trees on PC or let the moders do it! Now these trees ruins everything, even in forza 4 trees looked better. Games run 120fps in 4K maxed out on single 1080ti, so this game is very light and that tells me they could easily add better looking trees.

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  17. this only shows how badly broken CU was and now its maybe somewhat fixed so all marketing shllls are now yelling double time. never had such problems on win8.1. I still consider win10 rolling beta pile of crap

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  19. You could actually stop the stuttering issues pre-October update by simply disabling “game mode” for Forza 7. I too had the stuttering issue and a quick trip over to the official Forza Motorsport forums had the fix. I am happy however that now with new update that “game mode” can be re-enabled and the stuttering will no longer be an issue.

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  20. The difference in texture resolution is evident even on this YT video. Also what’s interesting, xboX run much higer resolution (over 50% resolution boost) and better details at the same time over PS4P. It tells me that xboX is way faster compared to PS4P, while there’s only 2tflops difference between these two consoles.

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    1. Shocking isn’t it, a newer more powerful console faster than a older, less powerful one, didn’t see that coming lol. All the Xbox fanboys are cheering about about their plastic “premium” box being faster.

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  21. Another embarrassment in a growing list of embarrassments for Xbone X then. If anything, you as a Microsoft shill and fanboy shouldn’t be drawing attention to that video because it underlines the weaknesses of Microsoft’s impending new 30fps console.

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    1. Yep it is, a re-download seems to solve the problem in most cases.
      Nevertheless with a games files check system, this issue could have been solve quickly.

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