AMD just released their Radeon RX Vega family of graphics cards while NVIDIA has increased production with TSMC of their new 12nm Volta based GPU’s.
NVIDIA’s new Volta GPU’s will feature a 12nm process which both TSMC and NVIDIA have been ramping up together for a release of the new GPU’s in hopefully early 2018.
Just recently the CEO of of NVIDIA Jen-Hsun Huang was talking to investors about NVIDIA’s next-gen GPU and he replied saying the gamers shouldn’t be expecting Volta-based GPU GeForce card until end of 2017 or perhaps even early 2018.
“Volta for gaming, we haven’t announced anything. And all I can say is that our pipeline is filled with some exciting new toys for the gamers, and we have some really exciting new technology to offer them in the pipeline. But for the holiday season for the foreseeable future, I think Pascal is just unbeatable” – Jen-Hsun Huang
Vega was meant to be released 18 months ago and only just being released now I don’t see NVIDIA being worried at all based of the current benchmarks we can see from both Vega 56 and 64. In fact it would not be surprising at all if NVIDIA teased their coming Volta-based GeForce cards coming close to the end of this year and then be ready for sale early next.
Source: Tweak Town
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you really think we’re gonna be getting 7nm by the end of 2018?
they’re already having problems at 12nm
i heard it was just some fancy name for more optimized 16nm. but the “12nm” process nvidia will be using is specifically tweak for nvidia volta. to the point it was called 12nm FFN (N directly refers to nvidia). how expensive it is i don’t know but it seems nvidia willing to pay TSMC to make specific node optimization for their architecture only. since it is based on 16nm tech it might still be cheaper than 10nm or upcoming 7nm.
True. Both Nvidia and AMD fudge the numbers a bit by using the smallest distance between a transistor or within a transistor as the “node size”. Some parts will still be greater than 12nm.
They always moan about manufacturing problems when they switch die sizes, this is an age-old thing. It usually results in some degree of delay, absolutely – sometimes extensive ones, even, but usually it just means they need to sort some sh*t out before they get into full-scale manufacturing.
It’s because Nvidia has to pay per wafer, not per chip so they take all of the risk of lower than expected yields at first which does happen. As the 12nm process gets further refined then Nvidia can expect better yields from TSMC.
That and mass production of GDDR6 which Volta is using for the consumer cards isn’t getting mass production by Hynix intill Q1 2018.
“I think Pascal is just unbeatable”
it pretty much says it all ‘
Volta seems to be more like the new lineup for 1070’s and 1080’s upper mid range
but i’m unsure if it can top the incredible 1080TI
Volta will crush the 1080 Ti and it’s Ti model will = 2X a 1080 Ti at the very least. You could probably already bet now that 1180 will = a 1080 Ti.
Jen-Hsun doesn’t want people to hold back from their GPU upgrades that is why he said that. How would it look if he said “Volta will crush the Pascal in Q1 or Q2”, sales would suffer and people would hold back. There is a lot of new tech in the Volta it is not just a die shrink and a refresh it will be more substantial then the Pascal tech jump(which owns btw).
2018 is going to be insane!
hmm it’s probably true they want people to buy the TI’s while it’s still fresh
though does it warrant an upgrade if you bought the current TI?
similarlly to the 980TI vs 1080, there will be a leap of 15 FPS on heavy games like metro last light on 2560X1440 max setting
which is roughly 20-25% at best
but considering the immense value and price of the currant 1080 i’ed say it’s a done deal
Nvidia has truely pushed true market competition for price and power
i’m still pretty happy with my carefully overclocked Strix 980TI
though i’m definitely gonna upgrade when the new metro hits the steam shelves
Well I play in 1080p or 5760×1080 @ Ultra and always target 60FPS when I game. Having said that I can tell you I still have trouble playing all of my games at 60FPS Ultra in triple screen resolution on a single 1080 Ti. Heck a few games even have trouble @ Ultra 1080p @ 60FPS(badly optimized ones).
So if I had the money and there was a 1180 Ti I would buy it in a heart beat. It seems like for anyone that does 4K, triple screen, UHD, or 120hz + or VR really needs at least 2X a 1080 Ti in a single GPU that is 100% that full power. That seems like it will be finally the perfect GPU for large rez and high FPS.
A 1080 Ti is a beast for sure I love it but we really could use a lot more power. I even think the next wave of new games will push the 1080 Ti on Ultra come Oct and especially next year.
It never ends 🙂 you can never have too much GPU power that is the life of a PC gamer the road is endless.
Dude… I can’t wait for the new Metro!!! Day 1 for me it looks amazing! I bet it is going to trash our GPUs I can hear them crying now.
personally i could never get the idea of playing multi-moniter where you got all these bars blocking your view
i went Ultra wide and it’s truely an immersion enhancer
i only wish they’ed actually went out and made 4K ultra wide monitor with 100hz and G-sync, that would be the day…
That would be awesome. If you have screens with no or very thin bezel its works really well. But I know what you mean, at first it looks odd with the bezel, you do have to get used to it.
Ultra wide screens like the X34 Predator are incredible its a totally different story to have it seamless and no bezel(your lucky).
I would love a custom built Predator in a size of 3X 42″ and a total resolution of 5760×1440 @120hz and Free Sync and G-sync 🙂 or something similar to that.
i have the predator X34 and i must tell you
Go ultra-wide, it’s SO much better than bezels and lower FPS
G-sync is also a nice bonus if you actually hit that 100 FPS (remember when you get the monitor the default hz is gonna be 75hz, you gotta Oc it to 100)
the colors are accurate (it’s IPS with a glossy finish) and the response time is 4ms
it was worth absolutely every shekel i payed for it
and i can tell you that ACER is BETTER than Asus when it comes to gaming monitors (ASUS monitors uses matte finish, which blocks off sunlight, but really f**k’s up the color accuracy and quality)
Cool man you are so lucky, what an epic screen!
Yeah its on the upgrade path list for sure when I have the funds. My computer mobo and CPU are the next in line first before I get a new screen.
I am going to have to just wait, but now I want one more than ever 🙁
Thanks for the info on Acer and the screen stuff, really helpful.
Great. I bet their initial price points are also going to be insane, as a result 🙁
People want the best card but do not want to pay the price. If they’re looking to buy cost effective gpus, they should not look into nvidia’s offering. Amd on that end has a good advantage.
Sure, but Nvidia’s prices are going up on a yearly basis, which shows this isn’t about inflation or “R&D costs” or whatnot, it’s about charging as much as [they think] they can get away with, all while constantly trying for more.
I mean, at this rate we’re going to be paying 4-digits for a “Ti” card by the next decade, which is f*cking absurd when you look at the price of the top Nvidia cards just 5 years ago.
Damn i just looked at it. Small increments but over the years it indeed ends up being much more expensive.
Release date prices
780 = 500$ USD
980 = 549$ USD
1080 = 599$ USD
I’m in canada so yea for the Ti version, i’ve been in the 4 digits for 2 gens :@.
RIP MY FAKEN WALLET. GUD DAYMIT JENSEN
“I’m in canada so yea for the Ti version, i’ve been in the 4 digits for 2 gens :@.”
Yeow.
INDEED. Since i’m in Canada, not only do i have to deal with that TRUDEAU vibe but now i have to deal with intel and nvidia going, hand in hand, on a uphill hike with their price target.
Damnit
At least Trudeau’s controversial (from what I gather), unlike Obama, who’s highly questionable record has suddenly been wiped starch clean in the face of “The Trumpster
PresidencyRegime.”P.S. Damn your CETA bill to hell 😛
Yea that “soon to be” law/bill whatever doesn’t make everyone happy. Personnally i would’nt have done that i mean, i would rather buy locally (a little bit more expensive) but it would mean that i’m making people around me work. There are two set of minds on that bill and yea, it’s not perfect :(. Plus right now Trump wants to re-negociate the Nafta and i’m pretty sure Canada isn’t going to win anything in that. All in all, mondialization isn’t all good in my opinion.
But this is a gaming site so yea :X
That’s what happens when there is no decent competition in the market. If NVIDIA charges too much, they’ll get sued for price gouging.
AMD needs to step it’s game up and finally offer some ACTUAL competition. Only then will we see the free market forcing NVIDIA to lower prices.
That, too. They’ve been taking real advantage of AMD’s recent lack of competition, unfortunately.
Though they have been turning things around, haven’t they? I mean, yeah, AMD’s 2016 lineup wasn’t the end-all beat-all, but it was solid & at far better price points, as I recall?
Definitely. AMD has certainly been making a come back.
But in order to scare NVIDIA, AMD has to beat NVIDIA where it hurts most, the high end. NVIDIA has been sitting alone on top for so long and AMD hasn’t been able to top that yet.
Right, they need a “XX80 Ti” toppler, definitely. Or, at least something that comes within a hair’s breath of it, instead of constantly ending up “between the XX80 & the XX80 Ti” on the benchmarks.
Also, as much as I hate Nvidia’s bullsh*t, AMD needs to step up their Gaming Evolved program a bit in order to pressure Nvidia on that front, as well.
wait did u check vega price? the 64 vega cost from 599-699$ how can u expect nvidia to price ti lower thn that when its much faster thn amd’s offering? also amd should be the one pricing their cards lower not nvidia, atleast they got the performance to back the prices. i really dont get nvidia hate here. ur comments are full of them.
Like I said, we used to pay $700 for a dual-GPU 5 years ago, now we’re paying that for a single & that’s because of Nvidia; they started all this massive price inflation, AMD just followed suit because they figured they could get away with it & look at that – they were right.
Nvidia did it because they weren’t getting competition from AMD for years, but that’s changing now so the question isn’t about “expecting Nvidia to price Ti lower than that”, it’s a question of if they’re going to try & raise the prices yet again, as they have been doing for half a decade, now.
After all, like I said, if they keep raising the prices the way they have been doing thus far, we’re going to be paying $1000+ for a Ti card by the next decade, which is completely unacceptable & utterly ridiculous.
It’s not Nvidia hate, we’re just not blind fanboy Cult of Green worshippers. There’s a difference.
Isn’t vega 56 500$ while being much slower then a 1080 and it consumes more? How on earth is that value?
On what comment are you replying 🙁 ?
Whatever comment that was saying vega is a good value
I don’t remember saying that.
I hope not 🙁 , but as we know Nvidia it probably will be.
SANE people are already holding back for volta if this late into pascal. Absolutely senseless to buy a 10 series now. Nvidia want you to of course, and for a ridiculously over-priced sum. Be patient, wait, outplay nvidia at their own game, don’t play into their greedy hands.
They could have already released VOLTA and would have if AMD could make a GPU work a damn! The sooner people start turning their backs on the 10 series the sooner Nvidia will release the 20xx series (not the 11xxx series – that naming is dumb)
lol ok bud. 1080ti is over-rated and over-priced! (but much better than AMD but that’s not saying much)
Dotnt care still keeping my 970 and 1440p monitor and will continue playing at 1440p max settings!
Dayum.
lol what games do you play i basically bought a 1080 since dues ex mankind divided could only do 30fps on average with medium-high settings
sadly games haven’t come nearly as far
VR
i have a 2x GTX 970 3.5Gb … never gona but an Nvidia product again .
Have your problems been mostly SLI related? If so, that’s not entirely Nvidia’s fault. Some Developers are moving away from providing SLI/Crossfire support in games. Really it looks like SLI is going the way of the dinosaur in the future. iirc there were only 2% of gamers using SLI/Crossfire on the last Steam Hardware Survey.
Most likely, depending on the games you play and your preferred settings, you are having lack of VRAM issues with those 970s also which is a sign it’s time for an upgrade. The 970 technically has 4 GB VRAM but the last .5 GB runs 7 times slower than the first 3.5 GB which Nvidia got sued for misrepresentation and settled out of court for a $30 reimbursement to customers here in the USA.
“Really it looks like SLI is going the way of the dinosaur in the future.”
I’m curious about that, since DX12 & Vulkan have that multi-GPU thing. I mean, yeah, SLi itself might disappear, but multi-GPU setups as a whole will probably evolve into “did the developer decide to implement multi-GPU, or not?”
At least, that’s what it seems like to me.
It’s just how I read the market. Modern GPUs have gotten so fast that SLI/Crossfire is unnecessary for the vast majority.
Whenever 4K does go mainstream (right now it’s less than 1% use according to the Steam Hardware Survey and has been stuck there for years) or VR takes off or a lot more gamers start using 120-144 Hz monitors or multiple monitors then a single card is plenty.
What the future implementation of multiple GPUs could be might be multiple GPUs on a single PCB placed very close together with an appropriate interface between them and driver support to combine the chips as a single unit.
Due to present limitations of die size it’s not feasible to increase the size of the individual chip dramatically and we may be running into a wall with lower process nodes on Silicon in the near future. It most likely won’t be a situation where the Developer has to support it though. It wouldn’t be what we have had in the past with such as the R9 295X2 or the GTX 690.
“It’s just how I read the market. Modern GPUs have gotten so fast that SLI/Crossfire is unnecessary for the vast majority.”
True.
“What the future implementation of multiple GPUs could be might be multiple GPUs on a single PCB placed very close together with an appropriate interface between them and driver support to combine the chips as a single unit.”
So, like the dual-GPU cards of old, but better integration between the two chips, so they don’t act like they’re SLi’d together? Yeah, that would be nice, definitely 😀
“It most likely won’t be a situation where the Developer has to support it though.”
Honestly, if they manage to get all the support done driver-side or somehow integrated into the Vulkan/DX12 APIs through multi-GPU or whatnot, that would really be fantastic, both for them & for us, yeah.
GTX2080/70 – Spring/Summer 2018
Performance increase as usual:
GTX2070 = 1080Ti
GTX2080 = 1080Ti + 20-25%
Prices will be high as well.
i’m not so sure they should jump in a 1000
GTX 1180 sounds better
GTX 1280 Ti sounds better! with the 1100s for laptops
laptops now use desktop components, it would be stupid of Nvidia to go back to crappy overheating laptop GPU’s where the ROG series is doing so well with desktop components
No, no it doesn’t. GTX 2080 sounds better! 1180 is a messy name for consumers and marketing alike!
Sounds great, Nvidia. Now how about improving your driver support QA because the last few driver updates including the present one still have problems.
I think we’ll start to see AMD GPUs improve over the next few years. Doubt they’ll be beating Nvidia at the top end anytime soon, but having zero viable CPU offerings prior to Ryzen really hurt their bottom line over the last few years.
well time to start saving, haven’t bought a PC since 2012 so might go all out on a new gaming rig
i5 3570k over clocked to 4.2
16gb ram ddr3
gtx 970
Next year will be a big upgrade year for me also. I’m still running a i5 3570k as well for 5 years now and a 980 Ti presently. Cannonlake should be a very nice CPU upgrade and if you want to stick with midrange Volta then I’m expecting that a 1170 or 2070 whichever Nvidia decides to call it is going to be well over twice as fast as that 970 you have right now. Very good time for both of us to do a new build.
KK well most enthusiasts want the 10% performance upgrade of the better card so have fun there.
so u like amd even when they do shady practies like the 100$ more price of vega 64 and 56 thn the originally promised? yea go ahead. oh and if u want u can get a 1080GTX for much lower and similar or better performance to 64:)
they adjusted the price . thats all . and somewhere it’s sold out already and here we dont even have it yet ……..
SO in the end i am gona supprt the company who is bringing competition to the market . because whitout ppl supporting AMD would be gone … and whitout AMD Nvidia could do what ever …. like sell the next gen Mid range GPUs around 600 … just because there is 0 competition on the market . same goes with intel .
so yeah i might loose 10 – 20 FPS here and there but in the end if i have stable 60 Fps i am happy .
So once again Nvidia is moving with no competition forcing them too.
I didn’t think it would beat it but i didn’t expect almost twice the power consumption of the comparable card with HBM too which is more efficient.
So you hear about VEGA price hike?
‘No reason’? except for the millions of holdouts (like me) who are too late into pascal to justify the upgrade so wait… and wait.. and our money stays in OUR banks making us interest instead of Nvidias. If they don’t want cash then sure.. they have no reason.
Not everyone will buy the 10xx series just because that’s all there is, sane people in late 2017 will WAIT.