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NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080Ti cannot run Battlefield 5’s RTX with constant 60fps at 1080p on Ultra settings

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As we’ve already reported, DICE has enabled the real-time ray tracing RTX effects in Battlefield 5 via its day-1 patch. And while it took us a while, we had to also download the October 2018 update for Windows 10, we were finally able to test these new effects with our NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080Ti.

By this time I’m pretty sure that most of you already know how the real-time ray tracing effects are used in Battlefield 5. For those not knowing, DICE has used RTX for all reflections and refractions, resulting in some of the most accurate reflections we’ve seen in a game.

Before continuing, I really need to point out that ray tracing is the future. The difference between screen-space reflections and ray tracing reflections is huge, and makes all reflective surfaces look better. We also can’t wait to see the results in other games that will be using ray tracing for Global Illumination and Ambient Occlusion.

However, even NVIDIA’s flagship graphics card, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080Ti, was unable to run Battlefield 5 with constant 60fps at 1080p on Ultra settings. This is disappointing for a GPU that is advertised as a GPU capable of offering ray tracing effects – that also costs $1200 – however this also shows how really demanding these effects actually are. Even with its RT cores, NVIDIA’s high-end GPU cannot offer a smooth gaming experience. Still, we are basically taking a glimpse at the future so this is something really special.

In Battlefield 5, DICE has implemented four ray tracing presets: Low, Medium, High and Ultra. Right now, the Medium setting is bugged so we’ll test all four presets once everything is working properly. Until then, we can say that on Ultra settings at 1080p (with RTX on Ultra) we saw a few rare drops at 40fps and frequent drops to 52-55fps. We’ve also tried lowering our graphics settings to Medium however we were still unable to avoid the drops below 60fps (our minimum framerate was 53fps).

So yeah, right now it appears that NVIDIA’s flagship graphics card is simply unable to offer a smooth gaming experience even at 1080p with the Ultra preset of the real-time ray tracing effects in Battlefield 5. The good news is that those with a GSync monitor will be able to enjoy a smoother gaming experience and I believe that will be a key for those that want to experience RTX in this generation.

Enjoy the following screenshots!

69 thoughts on “NVIDIA GeForce RTX2080Ti cannot run Battlefield 5’s RTX with constant 60fps at 1080p on Ultra settings”

    2. It’s already been shown, things that can reflect will reflect and reflective surfaces. Those fake reflections people moan about in AAA games like shop windows, it’s reflected properly with RTX on, not some crappy cube map, it’s done using rays of light like real light.

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      1. Ray tracing mostly rarely use light rays, they use eye rays, they trace the ray from the camera to the object. Light rays are used for things like proper caustics, which is pretty rare since it is very computationally expensive even for most offline renderers.

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  2. I love how some people think this is just _some thingy_ that you turn on and of course it should run super fast on your flagship level, top of the crop, super expensive card. Like ‘Lens Flare: Enabled’.
    No. Just no. Inform yourself on what you have in front of your you. Even if the impact in games is actually not much.
    And much less with first gen everything of a mythical holy grail: hardware, software, drivers, games, devs with no experience, etc.

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  3. im ok with 20 frames in single player mode so 4k 20 frames with ray tracing is great for me im gonan order one

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      1. The real flop will be the idiots that pay for them. Not because something sell doesn’t mean its not a FLOP i.e a bad investment. Those cards are a terrible investment, period. The OP is 100% right becaus ethis tech wont be affordable for another decade. The so called ray tracing nvidia is using is some Ray Tracing Simulation Lite. In order to actually achieve full ray Tracing you need some serious hardware, 10’s of thousands of dollars. What they are giving you is marketing gimmick, just like everything in the GameDon’tWorks line-up.

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        1. Are you kidding? Most people buy expensive sh*t like this on credit and are insanely in debt, making them much dumber than those who live within their means.

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          1. This guy is a LUNATIC. Created another new account just to troll, and spoil this whole comment section. Report him to Disqus.

          2. LOL. you are just a whiny little dumb B****. Did your mom not suck your d*** yet ? lulz.

            It’s a pity you are back again to spew out nonsense and garbage, defending rich people and their purchases. just trolling others as well. *SIGH*

            let a life, you moron.

          3. LOL. you are just a whiny little dumb B****. Did you not suck your d*** yet ? lulz.

            It’s
            a pity you are back again to spew out nonsense and garbage, defending
            rich people and their purchases. just trolling others as well. *SIGH*

            let a life, you moron.

          1. Paul86, are you the guy I had this long and dumb argument with back in October 2017? Here’s a link:

            www(dot)dsogaming(dot)com/pc-performance-analyses/forza-motorsport-7-pc-performance-analysis/#comment-3558855801

            You have to replace the (dot) with actual dots. I reckon you nicked PB back then, which you later changed to LuckyNumber8 because I pointed out that you had the same nick as another guy also nicking “PB” which originally nicked Prithvi Boinpally. He changed his nick to PB because I kind of made him to do it, since he was using his real name, I used it to stalk him on facebook xD

        3. Are you stupid or something? This is not about whether or not someone is rich or can afford to buy these cards. I can Buy these cards 30x over if I wanted to. This is about the fact that these cards are inflated and just downright not worth it for the price. So please stop throwing around the rich/poor arguments. PC gamers on a whole does have money to burn because pc gaming ain’t cheap. Right now the market is crazy and rich or no rich, it’s not wise to throw your money at undeserving things. So please cut the Sh*t with the rich/poor argument. Because this is not what this is about. You speak like a petulent child, cut it out man and have proper arguments.

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      2. you are on a whole new level of ignorance. using your pea brain logic then I guess the 9900k is selling like crazy too. since you are quite slow, the point is that there was relatively little stock. only those desperate to have the very latest thing or show off are getting these cards. they are a damn joke for 1200 bucks so most people have enough sense to see what happens on 7nm next year.

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        1. I love when people are salty when they see others buy things they can’t afford. Cry me a river buddy, and keep flipping those burgers.

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          1. Stop it, please. What’s wrong with you ? Why are you reacting in such a manner ?

            I read your response to “Jackyies” as well. What happened to your previous account though ? Don’t drag this issue further.

            First of all, this is the INTERNET, and you shouldn’t be talking things too much seriously. Just IGNORE and move on, instead of resorting to such means.

            On the internet, we can’t convince everyone and if others don’t agree with our thoughts, then we should just let it go, instead of attacking the said person.

            Others have full right to disagree with our opinion and the comments which we make. Remember, we can disagree with others WITHOUT being disrespectful.

          2. Why did you create a NEW account here, by the way ?

            I’m NOT defending that guy, or anybody else here. I just wanted to say, there is no point in dragging this issue any further.

            Yes, I’ve read his reply to “Haaa”. But that doesn’t mean, if someone else jumps off a multi-story building, you will also do the same ? NO.

            I agree, some of the members attacked you here before, then you reacted, but now you are starting the fight instead. But in this case, Jackyies just wrote a “Hi” comment, instead of attacking or abusing you.

            Now, it’s upon “Haaa” to respond back to him, but nope, instead you replied back by saying, “”Many people here on DSOG are just kids without a job””.

            Now, that sounds like you are accusing others as well, just because of “Jackyies” comment. It is offending/insulting to some extent as well.

            Just because someone doesn’t want to shell out 1200$ cash for a card, doesn’t mean that they don’t have a JOB, and/or are poor.

            It’s not a question of whether we can AFFORD paying or not for any product, because the price of these RTX cards don’t justify the performance gain, imho.

            A GPU’s price should only be compared with another video card from a previous GEN, and NOT with a luxury car/villa, mansion, or a Yacht. There are people who can easily afford such luxury items, but that’s not the point here.

            Because in the case of RTX cards, we are basically paying an “early adopter” price for the Hardware/technology. It’s a very early TECH, but it will mature with time.

            Previous GEN high-end cards didn’t have this price tag though.

            I know Nvidia has totally changed the GPU arch as well, with the addition of new RT and Tensor Cores, and other design/pipeline improvements (memory/cache) etc, hence the premium which comes with TURING.

          3. Well said. There is no point in arguing with this guy, or trying to make any sense to him, because he lacks practical insight. He is just immature, and acts like a joker.

            He seems to be frustrated from the inside, and tries to find some outlet to vent out his rage/anger. I didn’t even attack him in this topic before (only responded to “Penn”).

            He is one of the Worst cancerous human beings I’ve ever met and talked to, at least over the INTERNET. That’s true for sure.

            Just Ignore.

          5. “”Maybe you dont defend him but you see nothing wrong when he post rude comments towards me or other people as well””……

            NO, you got me totally wrong.

            When did I say, I don’t see anything wrong with “Jackyies” posts ? I know how he behaves here sometimes, but this is DSOG after all. Users have voted for the “Unrestrained policy”, option number 1, where anything goes by.

            So we can’t compare DSOG with other websites. All I was saying is, no need to take his comments too much seriously. There are far more worse members out here than him, on Dsog.

            Anyways, even I’m thinking of “deleting” my own account. You did a wise decision, honestly speaking. Not sure why you came back again with a new account though.

            Because, there is little point in arguing with people online, and there is NO end to any sort of discussion. It’s just a waste of time and energy, IMHO.

            We can’t convince everyone on the internet, and because of this we keep on boiling our own blood, which often happens when you are chatting with someone online. That’s why I honestly think it’s best we avoid going to such places, like DSOG.

            Deleting one’s own account seems like a wise solution, a feasible one. I also have a very busy and hectic schedule in life, and I can’t give enough time for forums. And, if someone attacks me online, then that indeed makes me upset as well (to some extent).

            You are nice, but I think you are also wasting your precious time over here. DSOG’s comment section is not a very friendly/civil place, to be honest.

            Even I want some peace of mind, and I’m thinking of nuking my own account. Anyways, I hope you don’t HATE me now, after reading this comment ? Cheers.

          6. Check the “VideoCardz” website, when you have time. I can give you 100% guarantee that nobody is going to attack/abuse anyone out there.

            There is moderation done on a regular basis, and the discussion is always kept civil. Trolls and SPAM bots are instantly banned as well.

          7. Once again showing just how fvcking ignorant you are. I could easily afford it, you ignorant twit. The the point you fail to grasp in that midget mind of yours is again that there were very few RTX cards even made so no they’re not selling well they just don’t have a big Supply.

      3. Main question here is:
        – are they sold out due to huge demand ?
        – are they sold out due to small production volume ?

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        1. I have nothing to back this up but what I’ve seen from many generations of Nvidia GPUs. There most likely are yield issues with the 2080 Ti GPUs accounting for some of the shortages in supply considering going to the lower process node which TSMC usually has yield issues with at first anyway, die size, number of transistors and the complexity of using 3 different kinds of cores on the 2080 Ti GPU.

          1080 Ti Process Size 16nm
          2080 Ti Process Size 12nm

          1080 Ti Die Size 471 mm²
          2080 Ti Die Size 754 mm²

          1080 Ti Transistor Count 11.8 billion
          2080 Ti Transistor Count 18.6 billion

          1080 Ti CUDA Cores 3584
          2080 Ti CUDA Cores 4352
          ———–Tensor Cores 544
          ———–RT Cores 68

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        2. Another possible reason would be that most of the bad/defective CHIPS are getting replaced by new ones, especially for the RTX 2080 Ti GPU. Hence, the stock has also been fluctuating.

          I think most of the “early boards’ and batches of chips were faulty, as recently discovered by NV’s QA team, mostly because of bad resistors/CAPS, but it could also be due to the GDDR6 memory reaching very high temperatures, resulting in PCB failure.

          NVIDIA has responded about this issue in their forums:

          “”Limited test escapes from early boards caused the issues some customers have experienced with RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition. We stand ready to help any customers who are experiencing problems””.

          The ‘limited test escapes’ would indicate either a bad or defective part of the PCB. Though, I won’t overlook YIELD and production issues as well.

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      5. That’s probably because all their stock has been used to replace all the defective ones.
        Plus, the higher end cores are the most functional of all the die bins, so there are fewer of them to begin with. Just because they are gone doesn’t mean there are many.

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    2. still it is the right direction when it comes to rendering method. and it has to start at some point. even if nvidia introduce RTRT five years from now at the time RTRT also will be considered as not worth the performance impact.

      the 2080ti might only 30% faster from 1080ti in current games but it is not because nvidia can’t make 2080ti much more faster. but simply adding more raw performance will becoming an issue instead of giving outright advantage.

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    3. I just think it’s cool that AI has allowed us to get ray-tracing this early. Without it, it would be many years away. Why not be happy for what it is right now. I mean, it’s only gonna be better with each year, this is just the starting lap.

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  5. I just took some important points/statements from some tech review websites. Just like a summary, and it’s a VERY lengthy post. So my apologies for this, but just give it a read, IF you have some time.

    There are some slight contradictions though. But I find them interesting. Some of you might be aware of this as well.
    ..
    A. “Performance of the flagship GeForce RTX 2080 Ti was cut by half in our first run at 1920 x 1080; we weren’t aware DICE added another setting called “DXR reflections quality,” which by default was set to “Ultra” (other settings include Low, Medium, and High)”.

    > “It is very important to realize that DXR will not take over rendering of the whole scene. Everything in Battlefield V, with DXR enabled, is rendered exactly the same way, looking exactly the same as with the regular DirectX 12 renderer.”

    > “There is no tangible visual difference between the DXR Ultra and Low settings.”

    > “For the RTX 2080 Ti, performance drops by over 58% just by flicking on DXR, and it does not improve at all when switching from “Ultra” to “High” and “Medium.” You only begin to see some performance improvements at the “Low” setting (44% performance impact). RTX impacts performance by over 50% at 1080p resolution, and the card only manages to keep frame rates in the high 60s.”

    > “Without RTX, we were cruising at 88 fps!”
    ..
    B. “There’s a large visual difference between Ultra and Low, but there’s NOT as much of a difference between Ultra and Medium. In fact, there is basically no difference between the Ultra, High and Medium settings for DXR reflections, and it’s not just in this scene. We tested several other sections of the game and couldn’t spot any difference between the three higher settings”.

    > “This leads me to conclude that there are only two DXR modes: Ultra, which applies the full complement of ray tracing reflections in the game, and a cut down Low mode for better performance. Both the low and ultra modes apply reflections to surfaces like water, puddles and shiny objects, but it’s only the ultra mode that also applies these reflections to more matte surfaces like mud and your gun.”

    > “At 1080p, the game comfortably runs at 150 FPS with DXR disabled but as soon as you crank it up to Ultra performance tanks, dropping below 50 FPS. In other words, performance is cut to a third.”

    > “RTX in this game simply isn’t a reason to buy the RTX cards. When you spend the big bucks on a RTX 2080 Ti ($1,200), you want to be playing this game or any other game at more than 100 FPS at 1440p with all the eye candy turned on. You don’t want to cut that down to below 60 FPS, and you should be getting well over 60 FPS at 4K, let alone on 1080p.”

    > “Every other aspect of how the game is rendered is done through traditional means, so shadows and ambient occlusion, for example, are the standard game effects. This means that if you’re not in an area with reflective surfaces, you basically aren’t getting any benefit from DXR.”

    > “It’s also worth pointing out that ray traced reflections is the only ray traced effect in Battlefield V. Every other aspect of how the game is rendered is done through traditional means, so shadows and ambient occlusion, for example, are the standard game effects. This means that if you’re not in an area with reflective surfaces, you basically aren’t getting any benefit from DXR.”

    > “But right now, there is basically no reason to enable ray tracing in Battlefield V, because the performance hit is so severe it impacts the experience massively.”

    > “At least with Battlefield V, the quality improvement doesn’t come anywhere close to justifying the insane performance drop you’ll experience with DXR enabled”.

    > “For real time ray tracing to become the future of graphics technology, we need more computing power. Specifically, we need more RT cores in Nvidia’s GPU architecture, because the 68 cores provided with the RTX 2080 Ti allowing for 10 Gigarays per second isn’t cutting it.”
    ..

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        1. Yup. I’m getting mixed and contradictory results from websites. Not sure, which testing methodology should we fully trust though ?

          Could this be possible that they tested different areas/levels of the game, having varying degrees of RTX, and other visual effects, e.g. very little reflective surfaces.

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          1. The test I linked comes from Swedens utmost and biggest hardware site, Sweclockers. They do tests very thoroughly. Here’s how they did the test:

            “The above measurements come from a multiplayer match of 64 players on the Conquest map Arras”

            In other words, a scenario which puts lots of pressure on the hardware. But yeah, I guess it boils down to specific maps and locations where there is more or less off the ray-tracing effects going on. Could be driver or hardware related too. Not sure which CPU, RAM or driver versions the other sites use but Sweclockers use the following:

            Intel Core i7-8700K @ 4,7 GHz
            2×8 GB G.Skill Trident Z, 3200 MHz, 14-14-14-34
            Forceware 416.81

            I guess reviewhardware(.)info used the even newer drivers called 416.94 which may have broke something?

          2. Yeah, I know about Sweclockers. They can be easily trusted as well. Even I’m not sure, whether it’s a driver and/or a HW issue.

            Or, like you mentioned before, “guess it boils down to specific maps and locations where there is more or less off the ray-tracing effects going on”.

            I took the above image from the “TechSpot” website though. The testing was done on an i7-8700K rig, with the latest drivers.

    2. Thanks bud. There is indeed a serious perf drop. This tech is in a very very early stage though. It may take another roughly 2-3 years to mature.

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  7. I don’t think it’s fair to blame performance drops 100% on the GPU.

    You should be using AVERAGE framerate because there’s always very specific scenarios that can push GPU’s to their limits and almost all the time these drops are caused by the developer skipping over an area and forgetting to optimize those areas.

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    1. Lets hope so or people who bought 1.2K GPU will be pissed off.

      On other hand I doubt that devs made a mistake / introduced a bug that causes massive 30 – 60fps drops in performance.

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    2. Well, it’s the lows that really hamper the performance. In my eyes, the minimum lows have always been the important numbers, not averages or especially maxes.
      A drop to 40 vs 60 is way more noticeable than an average 55 fps vs 75 fps (assuming gsync/frysync).

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      1. I get that. My point isn’t that the lows aren’t noticeable or that they don’t hurt the experience. It’s just that they are usually the fault of the developer and not the GPU.

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  13. Looking at these Numbers i wonder how it will perform in game like Atomic heart which has Ray traced shadows and reflections

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    1. Probably Atomic Heart will perform better, since the 3D space is smaller, rooms etc. While BF5 consists of large open spaces. But who knows, it might be similar performance since Atomic Heart uses two ray-traced effects.

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  18. No sht.

    Ray tracing will never work in gaming. The technology simply can’t ever be fast enough to handle it, even with the extremely curated ray tracing they’re trying to sell to you people as legit ray tracing. It takes literally hours to render single frames, with a farm, of something with actual full ray tracing.

    Take a look at how long animated CG movies take to render, with a farm.

    And then consider the reality that those are all pre-rendered movies with low frame rates and not using high quality assets nor containing the same level of detail and things going on as a game.

    And they aren’t even using ray tracing.

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  19. Ray tracing is very expensive in computations and realtime raytracing does not even look good compared to a frame that has been rendered for hours and with thousands of samples (rays) for every pixel.

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  20. Theoretically 7nm could double the performance. This first generation isn’t fast enough. The next generation RTX cards should be. They still won’t be cheap though!

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