Intel will officially unveil its 8th generation “Coffee Lake” CPUs on August 21st and it appears that the first 3DMark score has surfaced. According to the physics test – which is a CPU-only test – Intel’s i7 8700K is faster than its predecessor, the Intel Core i7 7700K, as well as both of AMD’s Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 CPUs.
At stock clocks, the Intel Core i7 8700K was also able to keep up with some highly overclocked AMD Ryzen 7 1800X and Ryzen 7 1700X CPUs. As such, we expect Intel’s latest CPU to be able to beat all of AMD’s CPUs once it’s been overclocked too.
The Intel Core i7 8700K CPU is reported to feature 6 cores and will support 12 threads thanks to Hyper Threading. On the other hand, the Intel i7 7700K features 4 cores, the AMD Ryzen 5 1600X sports 6 cores, and both the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X and 1700X come with 8 cores.
Our guess is that regarding single-thread performance, the new Intel Core i7 8700K will be similar – or a bit faster – to the i7 7700K. As such, this will make Intel’s CPU faster in both multi-threaded and single-threaded gaming scenarios. But then again, this is just an assumption at this point and nothing more.
We expect more benchmarks to surface during these coming days, so stay tuned for more!
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I’m thinking these will retail close to $450ish. They will certainly be fast, but the cost and the fragmented ecosystem will be a hindrance.
Russell, transform your standing desk to ‘sit’ mode and do yourself, a massive favor, by having a breadstick.
New mobo for Ryzen 3/5/7
vs
New mobo for Intel 3/5/7
Doesn’t matter what happens. You’ll be getting a new CPU/Mobo irregardless.
My answered but asked riddle me this: why go Ryzen if you game? 8700k is going to eviscerate and you know that there’s no magic ‘microcode’ patch from AMD that’ll change that.
You jumped the gun on my comment and in the process missed the meaning entirely. Forcing users to upgrade to a new socket every time a new CPU generation comes out is pretty anti-consumer don’t you think? That was the last point of my comment. Moreover they force users into more expensive boards for features they don’t need just to use higher frequency ram.
Yes mainstream 6 core cpu will be more than the HEDT Class 6 core cpu. Dude come on really think. This changed intel line up so everything moves down a notch. This will be in the $300 to $350 territory
It’s certainly possible, though I wonder what that will do for their previous generations prices.
Im expecting it to be more around $450 – $650. i mean hell the Intel Core i7-5820K is still about $375
Intel is not giving away 2 core and 4 threads for free. Stop being delusional.
Wow, new cpu is faster than old cpu. Mind blown.
Intel stomp AMD. Salty Nandiman.
It’s a bird, it’s a plane, no, it’s the point flying right past you.
Pot calls kettle black. Salty Handyman.
Thanks to 0 competition, intel has been serving users some delicious 4-core cpus for more than 10 years, forcing users to upgrade their motherboards, just to be able to use the latest cpu revision, that is barely 5% faster than the previous one, 9-12months ago…
And now that amd is here again, we suddenly start hearing about 12, 18, xx+ cores…from intel…
…. and just like nvidia, the intel fans will get an erection, because their intel cpu is 10% faster, even if it costs the double than the amd model.
New intel faster then new AMD you mean ?
so 7nt gen is already old. lol. 8 month,,,,, hahahhaa
Gotta make people buy a new cpu and mobo every year.
I was reading online that Z270 will get firmware update, the CPU will come before the Z370 mobos thats why, the CPU comes earlier than it supposed to.
Still got a i7 6700k besides these incremental increases there is no reason to upgrade let alone a new mobo to go with it…. FFS Intel… Backwards compatibility, why don’t we have it? May as well with these minute improvements.
This will be a big improvement. With a 6 core from Intel, changed everything for the mainstream. It will be Intel not AMD that will force developers to code for more core counts. Maybe in the end the performance will be the same as a 4 core cpu. But you to start somewhere.
Thats AMD fanboy propaganda, AMD is still a cockroach in Intels eyes, you have no idea how different these companies are as far financial resources and outreach, even Nvidia has more money than whole AMD.
Anyway, what i wanted to say is that CPUs are not made over month, the 6 core was decided upon years ago, more than 2-3 years for sure.
It takes years to develop technology and than optimize it and produce a new CPU.
So if you believe that Ryzen came out and Intel decided to release a 6core CPU in 4 month period thats just wrong.
same situation here
rocking a 6700K with proper cooling and a stable overclock
and i’m not planning to upgrade any time soon
the fact that my Z170 deluxe is now obsolete and not supported makes me feel nothing but contempt for Intel
but like everyone was saying, the improvement is minimal and you’ed feel a greater difference with a better GPU overall (more bang to your buck overall)
Still got a i7 2600k and still no serious reasons for upgrade it. 🙂
6700k is a monster
The new 6 core cpu is faster than old 4 core cpu. Hmm…
Meanwhile, the new R7 1800X isn’t faster than a 4c/8t Intel. Double Hmm…
Not in games, but it absolutely is in applications that take advantage of those cores.
Wow. You’re so cool. You get all the ladies in the parties don’t you? I mean, you put on your Intel shirt and feel unstoppable. Good for you kid.
I’d guess that he quite literally has ‘Intel inside’!
That can be said about you and your AMD shirt, do you shave your neckbeard at least?
Some actual argument as well? Or is that beyond your mental powers?
Sure kid, and I’m going to spend my time presenting arguments to someone that’s trolling just for the sake of trolling.
No kid, I just stop by, tell them how cool they’re, and go on my day.
Moreover, many users can use 3600+ on better motherboards, ie CH6 or Taichi.
Something always goes wrong with AMD, be it Infinity fabric locked to RAM speed and now memory profiles that needs full system reboot on TR.
lol there is nothing wrong with infinity fabric. AMD has a better memory controller for dual channel than Intel does. The memory profiles is a feature for UMA and NUMA. They didn’t have to add this but they did based on what people are going to use the PC for. Moreover AMD on the X399 series supports ECC ram where Intel does not.
Thats BS, Better controller is when games perform at the top no mater how fast your memory.
With your “better controller” even 3200Mhz wont help you to achieve same speed 7700K does with 2666Mhz standard memory.
TR is a disaster, Intel has no such memory issues, quad channel actually quad channel not 2 channels per die, i dont need to fiddle with memory profiles before i start up a program or a game, its only due to glued together Dies AMD calls TR.
I understand bias but you’re plain delusional. No one doubts that a 7700k hits higher FPS numbers, it is the current king for that, however it has little to do with the memory controller and much more to do with Intel optimizations both in the CPU architecture and to game engines themselves.
Here Ryzen is in fact rivaling QUAD channel memory with a dual channel controller. It is fast than the 7700k at every memory speed.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7b249bfd199428ff37a1008087eee4974d69ae2ddcaeb1b2a6c5929f4b0afda.png
Again, you confused: I never said that.
All I said is that TR has DECREASED gaming performance due to how its accessing the RAM (I explained in previous post why).
All Ryzen based CPUs have a Flaw, their Infinity Fabric (do you know what it is? Ryzen CPU is build from bunch of smaller 4 core CPUs, each such CPU has its own access to cache, these CPUs interconnected with Infinity Fabric, so when CPU needs to access cache thats connected to another CPU it has no direct access it goes trough interconnect: Infinity Fabric, for some reason this interconnect runs at RAM speeds) runs at RAM speed, thats why higher speed RAM even if its higher latency increases performance.
It has nothing to do with memory controller.
Now you’re just moving the goal posts. You said that TR was a “disaster” when it is not in anyway. And I am very familiar with Infinity fabric and how it works. Infinity fabric is not a flaw as it allows the 1950x to be the fast HEDT CPU ever released.
Im not moving no goals, this is gaming web site, we come to talk about games not file compression.
It is a disaster for games, it has no advantage over Ryzen and in many cases its slower clock for clock and the reason is that memory controller latency.
If we ignore the fact that even in business tasks it goes head to head with Intel 7900x 10 core cpu and loses to it in half of the Mutlicore benchmarks and ALL Single core benchmarks.
If we ignore the fact that i7-7900x 10/20 beats TR 12/24 in everything and we Ignore the fact that Intel has higher Single core performance meaning core for core, clock for clock Intel wins, so when 12 and 16 core Intel HEDT come out they will beat TR in everything except price.
Than no TR is not the fastest HEDT CPU ever released, Treadripepr is the most affordable mutlicore CPU ever released for mainstream consumer, thats the proper definition.
To be the fastest you have to win in single core benchmarks too, because throwing more cores is not the solution, the moment you have to work on a task that uses 1-2-3-4 cores you stuck behind 300$ mainstream CPUs.
This image is from Guru3D, please examine it carefully.
This is the latency issue I was talking about, TR loses to 200$ CPUs no matter its memory mode.
You can also notice that on Intel CPU it works properly, scaling down with more CPU cores.
P.S. Have you seen that YouTube TR review where he played Fallout 4 and it stutters as hell even on high FPS and than he changes Memory mode (dont forget you need to reboot) and it works perfectly fine and even gains 17FPS.
If this was done automatically on hardware level or at least Driver level but without reboots than its a 100% none issue, but right now TR has 4 memory modes, he benched 3 in fallout and all 3 had different FPS!
2 hardware memory modes: Distributed and Local
2 profiles, Gaming and Creator, that adjust both memory modes and CPU Legacy Compatibility mode (its basically Ryzen mode)
Each needs a reboot.
Game mode, disables SMT and enables Local memory mode, basically “pure” Ryzen mode, to reduce latency as much as possible.
Creator Mode, enabled Distributed memory mode and keep TR in its initial form with SMT on and no Ryzen compatibility.
But you can also play around, you can have Legacy compatibility on and distributed memory on.
So you have 4 settings to play with, all need a reboot, have effect on latency, software and games.
You need to memorize whats bets for what, of course for most people that only work on one program it wont be nececery, maybe switching to game mode from time to time, but my point is that Intel found a way to avoid all this, and then people wonder why Intel CPU cost more?
AMD choose the easiest cheapest path but harder life for the end user, Intel chose more complicated expensive path but no headache for the end user.
In games that affected by latency and RAM speed the FPS is different in every single mode, meaning they all work, and in Fallout as I mentioned one mode stutters the game.
Also if you people dont read reviews and choose Auto mode (there is “auto” mode) they assume it will do the job for them, but in reality Auto mode is just Distributed mode.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/75827-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x-1950x-review-18.html
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f44ca95005667c50155caeb6e4ab79f524d36b89e989de116ee8f9238657da8.png
Im not moving no goals, this is gaming web site, we come to talk about games not file compression.
It is a disaster for games, it has no advantage over Ryzen and in many cases its slower clock for clock and the reason is that memory controller latency.
If we ignore the fact that even in business tasks it goes head to head with Intel 7900x 10 core cpu and loses to it in half of the Mutlicore benchmarks and ALL Single core benchmarks.
If we ignore the fact that i7-7900x 10/20 beats TR 12/24 in everything and we Ignore the fact that Intel has higher Single core performance meaning core for core, clock for clock Intel wins, so when 12 and 16 core Intel HEDT come out they will beat TR in everything except price.
Than no TR is not the fastest HEDT CPU ever released, Treadripepr is the most affordable mutlicore CPU ever released for mainstream consumer, thats the proper definition.
To be the fastest you have to win in single core benchmarks too, because throwing more cores is not the solution, the moment you have to work on a task that uses 1-2-3-4 cores you stuck behind 300$ mainstream CPUs.
This image is from Guru3D, please examine it carefully.
This is the latency issue I was talking about, TR loses to 200$ CPUs no matter its memory mode.
You can also notice that on Intel CPU it works properly, scaling down with more CPU cores.
P.S. Have you seen that YouTube TR review where he played Fallout 4 and it stutters as hell even on high FPS and than he changes Memory mode (dont forget you need to reboot) and it works perfectly fine and even gains 17FPS.
If this was done automatically on hardware level or at least Driver level but without reboots than its a 100% none issue, but right now TR has 4 memory modes, he benched 3 in fallout and all 3 had different FPS!
2 hardware memory modes: Distributed and Local
2 profiles, Gaming and Creator, that adjust both memory modes and CPU Legacy Compatibility mode (its basically Ryzen mode)
Each needs a reboot.
Game mode, disables SMT and enables Local memory mode, basically “pure” Ryzen mode, to reduce latency as much as possible.
Creator Mode, enabled Distributed memory mode and keep TR in its initial form with SMT on and no Ryzen compatibility.
But you can also play around, you can have Legacy compatibility on and distributed memory on.
So you have 4 settings to play with, all need a reboot, have effect on latency, software and games.
You need to memorize whats bets for what, of course for most people that only work on one program it wont be nececery, maybe switching to game mode from time to time, but my point is that Intel found a way to avoid all this, and then people wonder why Intel CPU cost more?
AMD choose the easiest cheapest path but harder life for the end user, Intel chose more complicated expensive path but no headache for the end user.
In games that affected by latency and RAM speed the FPS is different in every single mode, meaning they all work, and in Fallout as I mentioned one mode stutters the game.
Also if you people dont read reviews and choose Auto mode (there is “auto” mode) they assume it will do the job for them, but in reality Auto mode is just Distributed mode.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f44ca95005667c50155caeb6e4ab79f524d36b89e989de116ee8f9238657da8.png
And to your point about TR, I have yet to see a negative review for it all. In fact I’ve only seen positive and some glowingly so. Also its quad channel, don’t be ridiculous.
You are confused, TR is a great multi core CPU for business work, i never said anything against, but this is GAMING web site and we talk about GAMES and Gaming performance.
TR is NOT real quad Channel:
Intel CPUs: ONE Die, 2 memory channels for consumer CPU, 4 for HEDT CPU, HEDT/Xeon CPU is SINGLE Die! (Thats why they cost more than TR)
Ryzen, 2 memory channel
TR: two Ryzen Dies with interconnect, 2 memory channels PER Ryzen Die
Thats why it has those memory settings, using all 4 channels increases latency because one die needs to cross interconnect to access memory of another die.
TR is INDEED two Ryzen CPUs glued together, thats why its cheaper but thats why it has memory latency issues, its the same system as motherboards with two CPU slots
You’re playing semantics purely to disparage TR and it’s painfully childish. It’s quad channel memory no matter how you try to slice it. People far smarter than you and I do not refer to it in this way and neither should you.
NO! Thats the exact reason why TR has Memory controller setting: Distributed or Local.
Thats the SOLE REASON!!!
It uses 2 channels per DIE, when all 4 are enabled it increases latency and stutters in some games and per my screenshot in previous message has horrible performance in programs that react to latency.
You defend AMD lie, its 4 channels alright but no one ever mentioned that its distributed! Thats its 2 channels per “CPU” (Do you know whats inside Treadripper? It has x2 Ryzen cores and 2 Silicon cores for stability).
So how can you call it quad channel? If it was truly quad channel like on Intel than every part of the CPU would have equal access, but look at AMD owns slide
ALSO, apparently Tom’s Hardware says that game mode doesn’t not disable SMT but HALF of the CPU, its actual Ryzen compatibility, go read the review, when you enable game mode you have 8C/16T CPU.
Also the same review says that some games dont like how TR is build and crash without Game Mode On.
Same article has latency benchmarks, some go as high as 250ns, which unacceptable.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/19df0b4402b27a6bbaaa731e68391aa6352f4a1f035eb12bc55d03042e7041ee.jpg
Its faster then a 8 core/16T overclocked AMD ryzen.
this test prove nothing …. a top tier intel CPU {what isnt even out} vs a mid tier AMD CPU vs a top tier AMD CPU with weaker GPU ? go home DOSG u r drunk
How is top tier, this isnt x299 levels.
Its a mainstream Intel CPU vs Mainstream AMD CPU. THats fair and they are price around the same as eachother. Whats impressive is a 6 core cpu beating an 8 core cpu. Very impressive
Indeed. Top tier would be 7800x +++
read it again …. what i said in short is that they compare CPUs with differend GPUS .
a real test is same system / same ram speed / same GPU .
i hope u get what i am saying ….
Are you an idiot? Learn how to read before you open your mouth..
“According to the physics test – which is a CPU-only test “
its “Learn to speak before you open your mouth”
and its still and invaild benchmark .like i said different ram/ram speed , OS . drivers . and GPU
Damn i just bought a new h270 mobo and i5 7600. And this came out?
You didn’t know?
How could you not know? Intel had a press release when ryzen launched that 8th gen would be coming out in Q3-Q4 this year!
More interested in the i5 benchmarks.
IF somehow they manage to price this at 350€ with all taxes included and everything, they might be able to get someone to keep believing in them, me included, otherwise, here i come ryzen 2 ship
Dream on mate.
Never say never!
Who need to upgrade CPU in this days anyway. I still have I7 2600K *4.5Ghz* form 2011 and every game runs with more than 60Fps so why they releasing new CPU every f@cking year with only 4% performance boost ? Who buy this ?
Enthusiasts.
Intel hasn’t given me a good reason to upgrade from my Ivy Bridge either. I’m hoping they will do better with 10nm Cannonlake next year but that probably depends on how much market share Ryzen takes from them. There’s a lot more to it than a simple comparison of performance though. People tend to stick with a brand that they recognize as quality and Intel owns that playing field pretty much. Intel could, if they choose to, decimate AMD with a Cannonlake with solder under the heat spreader and run it up to 5 Ghz out of the box and overclock pretty well too. Customers that know what that means, enthusiasts, would probably upgrade from Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge then. With the improvements in IPC over the years and the faster clocks it would be a very nice upgrade.
As far as who buys whatever Intel puts out? 4 out of 5 customers do and will probably continue doing so unless AMD gets smart. Coffee Lake, Kaby Lake, Skylake…….it doesn’t matter to them. They buy a prebuilt and assume it’s the best because it has an Intel inside. But AMD has increased their market share so that’s good for all of us. I’ve been saying for years now that the biggest obstacle for AMD’s success isn’t so much having a superior architecture. It’s more about name recognition with the masses. Small market share skirmishes are won by performance with us but the major battles are won by marketing and I hope Lisa Su realizes that now.
Something about Ryzen and the combined score it can win in everything else but that doesn’t make any sense.
You only need to look at they physics scores as those are the CPU tests. But even then I get about 19,000 to 20,000 on my 1700x
Intel has a better micro architecture than AMD. They can beat AMD any time if they want to.
I thought those physics scores looked really low in in the result they posted on this web site. I get just about 20,000 on my 1700x at 3.95Ghz with 3200Mhz G.Skill ram.
I thought these were supporting Lga 1151 socket?
Doesn’t that mean 6700k owners can move up to these coffee cups with a firmware update?
No, I checked the only ones we can upgrade too are the 7700k which in my opinion are not worth it considering I can literally OC by 5% and be at the same level performance wise with a stock 7700k with my 6700k.