The controversy surrounding Fallout 76 is huge, there is no doubt about that. When the game initially came out, a lot of players found some mechanics and visuals that looked similar to both Fallout 4 and Skyrim. And now we can safely say that Fallout 76 does in fact feature engine code that was taken directly from Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
Discovered by Twitter member ‘Christian Leites‘, the following screenshots showcase some parts of the code and files/scripts that were borrowed from Fallout 4 and The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim.
For starters, the “downloadable content check” functionality exactly the same. In fact, Bethesda did not even bother to edit the comment section of the code and remove the references to Fallout 4. Now I get it, it’s easier to simply copy-paste the code that works – and doesn’t introduce any major issues – but this here proves that parts of Fallout 76’s engine are simply taken from Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
Bethesda has also used the exact scripts and animations for the Scorchbeast Queen. I’m pretty sure you’ve seen some videos that compare the Scorchbeast creatures with Skyrim’s dragons and this right here explains why they look so similar; that’s because the scripts and pretty much everything is the same (well apart from the models).
Again, I seriously get it for borrowing the downloadable checking system from Fallout 4 (it works so why not re-use it if the engine uses a similar system?) but I find it hilarious that Bethesda simply borrowed the Skyrim dragon code and scripts in order to use them for the Scorchbeast creatures.
I’m pretty sure that if modders dig any deeper they will find more references to both Fallout 4 and Skyrim. So yeah, that’s a yellow flag Bethesda!
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I am so shocked.
Even if they built a brand new engine that was perfect, it would STILL be a dumpster fire, because bugs aside… Fallout 76 is just boring AF.
that’s what autists on the internet don’t understand, this game took one of the most boring parts of one of the most boring games in a great series and they cut anything that was slightly good about the terrible fallout 4 and if this all wasn’t enough the graphic is absolutely garbage and it runs absolutely like shet.
You realize when you’re calling everyone else an autist, that probably means you’re really deep on the spectrum.
no
Your weak defense of islam confirmed it. So sorry.
No, your post is and I can never get back that lost min I had reading it.
I appreciate the donation, sacrifices had to be made.
Ultimately, there is no reason to return to Fallout 76. I trudged through 47 hours of the game before finally throwing in the towel. I gave it the old College try and it is just so damn boring.
If you like it man, more power to you, but I can think of a much better use of my time.
47 hours is a decent part of your time to realize it wasnt worth it. i played the witcher 3 for 7.5 hours…
Well I knew it wasn’t worth it long before that, but I always make sure to play at least 40 hours of a game before I review it. Otherwise there will be people who claimed I didn’t play it long enough to get the full experience.
are you the guy who reviewed it on dsgo?what happened i remember you defended this game to death
You are mistaking him, this is Matt. Nick is reviewing the game
Nope, that was not me. I had intended on writing a review for the game, but Kyle beat me to it. Although to be fair I should have communicated that I had intended to review it way ahead of time so that’s not his fault. I’m Matt.
I’m curious, did you play it at all with friends? Because it does make a difference. Also, did you like the previous Fallout 3 and 4 games or Vegas? Because I’m really not seeing a whole lot of difference here with the presentation of those games. They all work the same way. You explore, make food and water, get radiated, cure a disease, get rid of rads. Explore more, kill mutants. They all do the same thing. Maybe you played the previous games and now have gotten bored with this series in general and not just FO76?
I did actually. I played the game with 3 guys that I met while playing the B.E.T.A. While there were some quests that I played by myself, I spent over half of my game time playing with other people.
I have played Fallout ever since I was a kid even the original Interplay Fallouts and I can assure you that Fallout 76 is nothing like previous Fallouts. Fallout is more than just exploring, surviving and killing super mutants, while there is a lot of that in each game, there is so much more. In previous Fallout titles you could interact with the many wasteland inhabitants and learn there stories. The decisions you made in the game had in impact on what people and factions were your friends, and which ones killed you on site. The quests are varied in nature and there are often multiple ways to complete the quest. The previous Fallouts were living, breathing worlds that you got to explore and become a part of.
Fallout 76 is honestly fun for the first 10 to 15 hours because it all feels fresh, new and you have this massive world to explore. The longer you spend in it though the more the new feeling wears off and you begin to realize there is nothing to actually do. The quests that you have are all the same just with a different skin. Go here, get this item, put it somewhere else. Go here, kill this, come back. Quests give you XP, which is the only real progress that you make. Completing long multistage quests have no impact outside of just a pat on the back and maybe a weapon with better stats.
Fallout 76 just feels empty, which is ironic since all of the Fallouts have been about a nuclear wasteland.
Honestly if it was just a case of overexposure I would have gotten tired of Fallout a long time ago since Fallout 76 is the 7th Fallout I have played. I was so excited for its release, but have been incredibly disappointed by it.
It’s like these games are made by the same company or something, unbelievable.
Seriously though, upgrading an engine does not mean taking everything and throwing it in the dumpster, and starting a new one from scratch, of course they will be some reused parts.
do yourselves a favor and block this moron, i don’t know which shethole of a country this mentally ill kid is from but the average iq cannot be possibly higher than 70
wow dude….you gotta a whole lotta anger on the inside parts. ever ask yourself what kinda person flys off on a person like that? ever do any introspection? you need a quiet place, where you can chill n think…have a beer…or stop drinking them
beer is haram stfu.
Haram is stupid stfu
low iq idiot calls islam stupid, oh the irony. kid, islam is a very complex mechanism and instruction that humankind still haven’t figured it out completely and you come here with your sub 50 iq call it stupid?when you grow up, your iq score will grow and it will be similar to your parents which is around 70 and then you might realize how stupid you are for saying such thing.
Low iq idiots call islam anything but stupid. Islam is a sham with nothing but lies and threat to back it up, no justification, no legitimacy, no basis in anything resembling anything of worth or value and you come here with your sub 50 iq and call it anything but? You unfortunately will never fix your stupidity. You’re a hopeless piece of trash who’s simply going to be left behind and forgotten.
haha, 16 years old kid who watches imbeciles like crowder and takes their word for what it is, i doubt you ever touched or seen a quran in your life. you’re pathetic and saying something like islam is nothing but lie and threat just shows how much of a low iq sheep you are, but islam is made but a charlatan who’s iq was definitely higher than you. as the other guy pointed it out, all religions are lies and they wouldn’t exist without sheep like you.
Islam is all lies. Prove me wrong or be gutter trash like the rest of the people preaching Islam. The Quran is a lie. You have no evidence for anything from it being truth. You only have deciet. And yes, that’s all religions.
I’m sorry you were born developmentally delayed, but similar to calling everyone an autist, constantly bringing up IQ only indicates that it’s you who is mentally struggling. You also write like a monkey, so we all have visible evidence of how big of a failure you are. But at least we can all laugh at how pathetic you are.
Thanks for stating the obvious.
This, Its unbelievable how some people think, its like they lost most of their intelligence and forgot how things work. Why would any company go and remake assets if its not needed? That is a Hugh savings in cost and development time. So of course they are going to re-use assets and code. Good Grief!!!
But why should they re use anything? They’re making billions of dollars from us, they might as well give the fans what they want.
Are you seriously that dimwitted? All developers do this, all of them!! This is not anything thats new or secret in the industry. SMH!!!
Because that’s what you do when you’re a developer. reuse what you can so you can focus on other things.
Why so ??
Agreed… So so very very veeerrrrry shocked. It’s like these AAA companies discovered some magic pill, some gimmick that allows them to stealthily price gouge assets and still make billions on products that look like they were built by 2 CS freshmen over one weekend during their spare time between the friends, beer pong, and weed.
Hmmm. I wonder what that little trick is. Hmmm HMMMM.
“and still make billions on products that look like they were built by 2 CS freshmen over one weekend during their spare time between the friends, beer pong, and weed.”
If you actually played a game made like that, you wouldn’t be leaving retarded comments like this.
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Fraud Coward memes getting stronger by the day.
?Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.?
This keeps getting better end better 😀
Watching the soap show… while eating some popcorn… 😀
And other sh*t Bethesda doesn’t give a rat’s a*s about.
I’m so glad I trusted my guts and avoided buying this game.
you have a high iq buddy, couldn’t you tell from what they said and showed at E3 and also countless other beta tests and opinions?
I watch Rick and Morty so yeah.
you must have made this comment before watching rick and morty then
It makes sense to use existing code and assets if it can work for new things that are similar. You can look at for example From Software’s games and you will see a lot of the same animations and some of the assets used throughout the whole Soulsborne series.
No not accepting 7 year old 2011 animations. If they want my money, they need to get to work. Consumers pay for a result, not effort.
Also it’s not that binary – as with any art form. The Souls/BB games are all vastly different with tons of changes from one another with brand new art design, environments, level design, puzzles, content, etc – basically entirely new games – all of them. Also, with smaller cannon fodder, artistically astute studios can normally get away with having the same animations peppered here and there but it is normally well done due to big changes done to the core games – as in most of the game – like I said, lots of new art, puzzles, environments, etc in the subsequent games using said flips.
Here’s the issue with FO76: BGS created near to nothing new. Some new enemies? Modders on a weekend can do that. Put FO76 and FO4 side by side and most consumers cannot tell the difference. So what are people paying for in a “new” game? Just watching the Scorchbeast fight looks identical to ES5 (2011 animations). 90% of the game is the same – and misleadingly advertised. FO76 in its entirety is a massive asset flip and reshuffle of FO4 assets and ES5 animations. Barely any new art designs or environment, then on top of that we have a MAJOR boss fight which is literally a reskinned 2011 ES5 Dragon.
We’ve been to this rodeo with ES5. Some have fought ES5 dragons hundreds of times for the last 7 years. So this is just adding to the shitstorm.
TL;DR – Why pay a top tier AAA giant in a $100,000,000,000 industry to replay 90% of old skinned stuff? I think people have voted with their wallets on this one.
Nobody cares about what you want or where your money is going nor do they care about your ignorant concept of what year animations are from.
What if Assassin’s Creed Odyssey uses any scripts from AssCreed 1 from 2007? PANIC! PAAAANIC!
This seems like a petty thing to focus on, it’s Bethesda’s own code and it was obvious right from the start that the game is a reworking of FO4, of course developers are going to reuse code.
More of note would be that the game is the worst performing, buggiest mess that Bethesda has ever released.
So reskinning flipped assets is fine. Might as well save cash and play ES5.
They’re not flipped assets if they’re different skins, are they? I highly doubt there wasn’t work on the meshes.
Why is this funny, and a yellow flag for the company ?
I agree, the Devs might have been a bit lazy to edit some of the references to FO4, and Skyrim, but it fully makes sense for them to re-use their previous game’s CODE and scripts, IMO.
Pretty much most of the developers do this, as far as I’m concerned. So please I don’t think this is a very BIG issue, because in the end, gamers aren’t going to dig deep into the code/script, to come to any conclusion on how the game performs.
I’m pretty sure many other successful Game titles might have been using previous code as well, unlike Fallout 76 which was a flop. We just don’t have any sort of evidence for other AAA games though
What if, this game was a huge success ? Then also, you will give a yellow flag to bethesda ? Just my thoughts….
There was a time when companies actually didn’t flip code and assets for major elements in subsequent games. People already fought Dragons to death in ES5. We dont want to keep doing that same exact thing (literally a reskinned enemy) after giving more money. Flipping old work = bad.
“There was a time when companies actually didn’t flip code”
No, there wasn’t. Engine code has always been reused.
+1.
Good for them. Recycling is good for the environment and okay for you.
This made me chuckle. Ha. Hohoho.
Citizen, that’s five years in an iso-cube! How do you plead?!
AngryJoe slammed this game so hard.
He looked seriously bummed.
He’s a major hypocrite though. Sure why not get on board a hate train when basically everyone and their mother is slamming FO76. FO76 and Bethesda deserve it big time but AngryJoe is not authority on whether the game is good or not.
Next up in the news: Latest Call of Duty features code from Quake 1 and How You All Should Be SHOCKED
Which likely had code from Quake 1 in it that may still be there. If the network scheme for the game is the same, I doubt much in the way of netcode has changed, for example.
Press Ctrl + V to spawn $60
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ROFL! this is gold XD
Wish I could be in the room for Todds spit take when he saw people figured this out.
Was watching gameplay on a self-declared “real fallout fan” stream and noticed the Scorchedbeast animated exactly like an ES5 Dragon. Everything it did! And when I posted in the chat “Elder Dragon! LUL” man I was nearly lynched my some hateful sh*t hahaha – except for one mod who agreed, also upset fo76 is garbage.
People quickly “shield walled” the game and design choices. It was insanity to watch how quickly people were triggered and blindly defended the game – like cultists. I consider people who protect the IP’s lore and quality “real fans” – not these blind sheep just acting like they swallowed all the kool-aid, regurgitating talking points from their favorite sponsored content journalists (like at Kotaku) just before the UFO picks them up.
But hey! I was told everything about this game is “fun with others,” of course, so why can’t we include “making fun of fo76 together” in that list of features?
Welcome to the real world where your view of your opinion is over inflated and people can enjoy things that you don’t.
Welcome to modern video game industry where “real fans” are cultists willing to do anything to defend corporations.
Irony
“Real gamers”
Clearly you aren’t one.
You’re not a real gamer any more than my mobile game playing aunt is.
Pretending your specs make you a real gamer makes you not a real gamer. It’s not an achievement to spend money on parts. It’s not like Nvidia has some test to buy their cards or only the select best can but a gaming mobo. That’s as stupid as saying a BMW makes you a real driver idiot.
So not only do you have a small w*nk you’re trying to make up for by bragging about your build, you’re also an idiot who can’t add 2 to 2. I’m an adult who realizes my $10k gaming rig isn’t special. My dual Xeon server with quadros is where the impressive stuff is. Now go beg your mommy for a new over priced “gaming” mouse pad.
You need to get back to your facebook games. Hurry before you go out to bingo.
Except that’s the exact reason we know you have one.
So not only do you have a small one that you’re trying to make up for by bragging about your build, you’re also an idiot who can’t add 2 to 2. I’m an adult who realizes my $10k gaming rig isn’t special. My dual Xeon server with quadros is where the impressive stuff is. Now go beg your mommy for a new over priced “gaming” mouse pad.
I’ve blocked him long time ago, that was a great choice.
reusing code is extremely common. I would be amazed if there was a sequel or even different game from the same developer, short of jumping ship to a new engine and platform, that didn’t contain huge amounts of code from past games.
While Fallout 76 seems like it would do this more than most, it is common and not a red flag in any way. Especially simple scripts like these.
Yeah making 90% of a game from a combination of all their old resused assets isn’t though. Where’s the work? What are people paying for? There is no “new” anything besides some enemies modders could have pulled off in a few days.
In fact lots of the “game” has been stripped away vs genuinely created.
An asset flip is an asset flip is an asset flip. There is nothing “new” for consumers to purchase here.
No arguments here. This game is definitely a stop gap at best, a quick cash grab at worst. Seems their next games, if rumors are believed, aren’t coming until next gen, so this is just something to bring in some quick cash.
Because 90% of the game wasn’t from the previous games. New textures, new meshes, etc. Reusing game code and scripts isn’t anything to write home about, but petulant kids want to pretend they matter and cry about things online.
Exactly, How many other games like the COD series or Battlefield games do this? All of them! Dont think for one second developers dont do this a lot.
I blocked this sh*tter a long time ago.
here comes the polygon backup again. every cuck and autist on this website has be blocked while they have a fetysh for me at the same time so they say they have me blocked but they keep unblocking me to see what i said because they just can’t get enough of me. funny thing is i have no idea who they are and how i made them upset, that just shows my superiority to them and how i make little kids with little brains cry and remember me as someone who made them cry on the internet.
Talk more about goats
my uncle peace be upon him got me a new goat last month, i’ve been trying her for a while and she’s tight and good but it does not replace abdul mahmud for me. he was a great companion for both me and my fried so after he got ran over by a truck couple months ago, my friend attempted suicide multiple times, the new goat made us both happy but we are not used to her, besides, the new goat is a she and not a he so it cannot replace abdul mahmud for us. people here think i’m invincible or have nothing better to do in life but actually i’ve been going through multiple traumas with the passing of abdul mahmud and pakistani authorities pressing me for providing our new goat with healthcare. i don’t have that kind of money.
I blocked him long ago. It’s not worth his junk filling the feed. Life is better this way. Just do it 🙂
Good call sir.
The entire game is a big copy&paste
I mean what did you expect? Nobody rebuilds assets from the ground up for a sequel to a franchised game.
Why is that news? Skyrim, F4 and F76 all use the same engine. Obviously there will be the same code in each of those products. Sure, Bethesda should get rid of the Creation engine or revamp it but this “News” here is nonsense.
Seems like they made a multiplayer mod for FO4. Next they will be telling us that they need to raise the price of their games because they are getting too expensive to make. Oh wait, thats already been done.
I cant say I am surprised by this, as there are a LOT of animations in Skyrim that are copied pasted straight over from Oblivion.
Um….no shlt?
wow such the tech sleuths! whats next on your site — apple osx is based on bell labs unix!!! please dont make me throw my mac in a mosh pit….nobody tell dsogaming that fallouts engine came from 1998.. no it was completely re-written from scratch, cause that it is the smart way to do things, always!!!
Ode To Dr. Frankenstein ????
There is nothing “hilarious” about all this. Please show some professionalism.
I thought this was widely known?
What a thoroughly useless article. All games and game engines use code borrowed from previous versions of the engine. Stop trying to cash in on idiotic clickbait. Articles like this are why everyone should use adblockers online.
Game companies make video games? YOU DON’T SAY
Anyone with a brain realizes that video game engines use old code from previous iterations, yes.
Really? And the sun is hot? Water is wet?
Irony of our lifetime right there
You don’t usually expect someone so developmentally delayed to call someone else a retahd, but here you are…
Wow you took a while to reply. You are the only one here that seems to be mentally delayed.