It’s almost a given by now that we won’t be getting Half-Life 3… ever. Still, this doesn’t mean that Valve wasn’t working on such a game. According to GameInformer’s Andrew Reiner, Half-Life 3 was a hot mess and had a lot of prototypes from very small teams.
As Andrew Reiner revealed during GameInformer’s latest Show podcast:
“I talked to one developer who actually gave me legitimate information and told me it was a hot mess. Like, there were so many different prototypes that small teams (4-5 people) working on them that just never got off the ground. But said two of the directions they were going, and I kid you not, this is a real thing that apparently happened. One was going to be like an RTS game for Half-Life 3. And another one involved live actors, and it was going to be a new type of adventure action game with actual actors. Kind of like Nighttrap but more advanced.”
Unfortunately, Andrew Reiner could not make other developers speak about Half-Life 3, however this new information should give you an idea of why we never got a third part in the Half Life series.
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I just want a well designed singleplayer shooter for PC from Valve. Since the genre landed on consoles it’s hard to find good shooters because they need to design the games with controllers and its limitations in mind…
you want but you wont get
I know. Consoles rules, sadly.
more like f2p milking
Controllers AND very little hardware horsepower. Plus, if it’s designed with consoles in mind, they target a more casual audience.
There’re many great shooters to play anyway; also, you can revisit some classics with mods, higher textures, in 4K, sweetFX, reshade or ENB Mods, or even total conversions.
what does it matter, platform doesn’t have anything to do with quality of a shooter game, name a single pc game that can match uncharted 4?
“name a single pc game that can match uncharted 4?”
Match it on what? Being a linear scripted movie?
I have no desire for such games, i like gameplay and i would argue that on that one, even rise of the tomb raider is better because it has more GAMEPLAY!!!!
Honestly id rather playing star citizen or subnautica than uncharted 4.
You mean you like games with no Soul, running around beating hookers, putting buckets on peoples heads, aka whats called: Messing Around in Sandbox.
Im a PC gamer mainly but for that Soul part is the reason I own consoles, cant play the last of us and uncharted on PC, Rise of the tomb rider was awesome, but why settle on just ONE game if you can play all of them?
Right now PC gaming looks like Dumpster, 95% of steam games are broken “indie” crash grabs, tens of thousands of games coming in single year, worse than mobile market.
“for that Soul part is the reason I own consoles”
I play old console game all the time, they dont have soul, their level design is crap, just boring corridors, games on pc had more “soul” Tomb raider was one of the few console games with good level design, although since its started on pc and always was on pc you could argue it took that from pc. You refer to “soul” as doing what everybody else does SCRIPTED LINEAR SHOOTER WITH HALF THE GAME BEING CUTSCENES….really thats what “soul” is to you?
I enjoyed mgs v for that very reason, it got rid the excessive cut scenes and focused on gameplay. I dont know if you noticed but everyone on youtube is playing these kind of games or games like far cry, that going around “running around beating hookers, putting buckets on peoples heads, aka whats called: Messing Around in Sandbox.”
You call that “no soul” but in reality being a young Indiana jones in his adventure number 2423th is not “having a soul” it is having ZERO soul and selling out to the hollywood market and rehasing the same game over and over again and again until it stops making money. I would very much rather have games like sbunautica with interesting setting and gameplay than another scripted cinematic shooter, i can watch that on youtube.
“Right now PC gaming looks like Dumpster, 95% of steam games are broken “indie” crash grabs, tens of thousands of games coming in single year, worse than mobile market.”
You claim that 95% of them are broken indie cash grabs, aside from that not being correct, are you ever gonna play that 95% of broken indie cash grabs? NO you WONT because you never even heard of them and even if you remove all of them that you consider them to be “broken indie cash grabs”…(although what you consider to be good and bad seems distorted and brain damaged since everyone was happy with doom on pc that it did not became yet another casualized “cinematic” scripted dumbed down fps for the console audience….like you know that piece of crap that the cancelled doom was that was NOTHING like doom” and we are GLAD, GLAD I TELL YOU that we did not get this trash on pc ruining our favorite pc franchise to appeal to consoletards….. AGAIN) but say you ignore all those games, pc STILL has more games to play on consoles.
But according to you i should buy a console to play 2-3 exclusives worth playing What those exclusives may be? Uncharted 3434th and last of us 63. Dont say the order 1886 that was not a game it was a movie BUT HEY IT HAD SOUL!!!! nonsense. What else you got infamous second sun? Or does that count as “running around beating hookers, putting buckets on peoples heads, aka whats called: Messing Around in Sandbox.” and then you got bloodborne. BUT YOU DONT LIKE BLOODBORNE RIGHT? BECAUSE BLOOBORNE DOES NOT HAVE A SOUL SINCE IT IS NOT A CINEMATIC SCRIPTED SHOOTER WITH CUTSCENES AND GOOD STORY AM I RIGHT?
Freaking idiot!!
Dont worry David Cage is gonna make his new interactive scripted piece of crap movie called Detroit: Become human and you will get your “soul”
The only console game i want on pc is sunset overdrive that “running around beating hookers putting buckets on peoples heads” You know why because if you gonna make a fast paced game that you running around power lines while constantly aiming your gun at enemies, might as well do it on pc with 60 fps and mouse control.
But according to you i should buy a xbone to play sunset overdrive and a ps4 to play…. i dont know….what is there to play? Uncharted 4? Ok but 10 hours later what do you do? When it gets cheap and so do its games i might get one, till then no need to spend more money on consoles than i spend on pc gaming…steam is love steam is life.
Tell me the truth, your mom dropped you when you was infant?
Platform matters. A shooter designed to be played with mouse have better level desing and better enemies because the mouse is far better to move the camera and is more precise so the gamelay take advantage of that also have better graphics, because obious reasons.
Uncharted 4 (and the entire franchise) is only a casual game made for a casual public.
thats not hard to do honestly, uncharted 4 isnt a good shooter, its actually very run-of-the-mill. its a basic third person cover/stealth shooter, guns were generic and had no real feel to them and stealth was really rudimentary. the story was pretty good, ive always been a sucker for global treasure hunts but thats it.
Half Life
Dude go to sleep uncharted and all PlayStation most have games are overrated as fock, just to say.
Uncharted 4 is a very beautiful game and has a good story but the gameplay is very generic, nothing new.
it has everything to do with controls.
“Also tomb raider was better to me than than walking sim 4.
No ones praises uc4 for gameplay lol it’s story and gfx.”
Exactly and if the writer for tomb raider was not the one it was, the story will be better too.
actually there are great shooters for pc
really which? and dont say arma pls, i dont wanna die from laughing
CS:GO
Battlefield 1
TOXIKK
Planetside 2
Dirtybomb
Overwatch
Team Fortress 2
Arma 3
Pretty sure he meant single player games.
How is arma not good? I mean i dont like it but “not great” really?
DOOM was a pretty solid shooter on all platforms…
Doom? If you like arena based wave shooters.
It had no soul: enter a “room”, run around killing waves of enemies, walk to another room, repeat.
I seen prototype Doom 4 that the fools canceled and that was great, story based shooter
Honestly, Doom tried to copy Serious Sam’s gameplay style but without the brilliant enemy composition of Serious Sam. Everything in Doom seems so chaotic with no thought or meaning put into those enemy waves. This is more of an issue with the later levels. And the Glory Kills only amplify this flaw, especially on higher difficulties, since THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH REQUIRED FOR YOU TO SURVIVE. Suddenly you are in a desperate struggle to survive and you just kill the nearest imp with whatever weapon without a second thought. At least the level design in Doom is nice and also the verticality and even platforming… yeah, good platforming in an FPS game, go figure. And while chaotic, I still think it’s a good game.
Serious Sam had simple enemy AI, but they way the waves were made and each enemy had distinct but recognizable attack patterns that force you to adapt on the fly and switch to the acording weapon, it feels so satisfying to play. Also enemies vary in threat levels forcing you to prioritize your target. And the best part is… in Serious Sam I always feel in control, especially after you master the game. Yeah, despite it’s simple appearance, Serious Sam had some genius game design put into it. At least that’s how I see it… I’m always in this hypnotic Zen of gaming whenever I play Serious Sam, especially on Serious Difficulty.
Just my two cents about the Doom reboot and arena shooters in general. :3
I agree and have to add that Serious Sam never tried to be more than it is a fun by the numbers kill em all shooters, not a tipple A mega game.
But Doom did, both in its price and wonderful presentation, but wave shooter and AAA doesn’t go hand in hand, feels cheap.
P.S. Also doom feels like gears horde mode just without the co-op
It’s not necessarily that wave shooters can’t work… they can work. Devs just need to put more thought into enemy composition. Serious Sam may have been a humble FPS game, but you cannot deny the guys at Croteam cared about the game and it’s really bloody apparent since each room in Serious Sam doesn’t feel quite the same. Oddly enough, Serious Sam is an homage to the oldschool Doom games, since it takes the same enemy composition philosophy, then amplifies and supercharges it.
The Doom reboot tries to follow it’s old design philosophy but it just feels like a mess… you cannot avoid certain attacks since Doomguy is too slow for what is happening on screen and some enemy attacks aren’t very well telegraphed. Clearly the guys at ID of today were aware of this too, because that’s why the Glory Kills exists… It’s a bandade solution to the mess that they actually made. This is more noticeable with Ultra Violence, since Hurt Me Plenty is too easy and I don’t want to imagine how Nightmare is. Something like Serious Sam didn’t even needed it, because while it was a wave based arena shooter like Doom, it was well thought out.
Shadow Warrior and Shadow Warrior 2 can be chaotic too with it’s wave based enemies, but at least you are very mobile and have some abilities on top of your arsenal to help you out. And fights in Shadow Warrior 1 and 2 can be intense and actually feel kinda rewarding. In Doom you might play as best as you can and get killed by a Baron of Hell from your back, only to retry and play more sloppy and somehow get away in one piece. The guns in Doom are cool though and you can be a bit creative with your playstyle.
Funny enough, there is a map pack for Brutal Doom called Hell on Earth Starter Pack. It’s fanmade, but goddamn is it fun. There are more enemies on screen in it than Doom 1 and 2, though it uses the same enemies, but some with new attacks, that are well telegraphed might I add, with very distinct sound cues too. And it feels more satisfying too and even uses a waaay more balanced version of the “Glory Kill” system in the form of the “Cruelty bonus”. Just overkill an imp or other monster when it goes into a staggered state and you get +5 health or +10 armor depending on your chances. It doesn’t happen very often, but it feels so satisfying.
This comment got waaaay too long. Hope I didn’t bore you with this…
I feel that old doom was corridor shooter more than wave/room shooter, you always moved forward killing enemies and rarely stayed in same room for too long.
Personally I just feel disappointed, i never watched too many videos to know thats its wave shooter, I heard all the praise, I seen how it looks (No complaints here), I seen the upgrade system, so I assumed its going to be like a mix between Wolfenstain (since classical Doom and Wolf play the same and new Wolf is GREAT, Love It and cant wait for next) and Rage.
But instead I got expensive Serious Sam parody.
“It’s not necessarily that wave shooters can’t work…”
Honestly man doom is doing it better than anyone else, the waves are not too long and they do not through you too many enemies at you. The way painkiller and serious sam do it gets old really fast.
“, but you cannot deny the guys at Croteam cared about the game and it’s really bloody apparent since each room in Serious Sam doesn’t feel quite the same. ”
They do, unlike the new doom that they feel more akin to half life. The level design of the new doom is only rivaled by wolfenstein new order. No matter which serious sam game i play the enviroments in those games look alike, as if they did not put any soul into them. Unlike serious sam 2 that for obvious reasons its level is memorable. The quality of serious sam 2 is debatable but a tleast not ever level is a desert ruin. Talos principle also proves this by every puzzle map looking alike.
“.. you cannot avoid certain attacks since Doomguy is too slow ”
Not sure if you played the game he is as fast as serious sam and you can avoid all the attacks, in serious sam on the other hand there are so many enemies attacking you at once that you cant avoid all of their attacks.
“Clearly the guys at ID of today were aware of this too, because that’s why the Glory Kills exists… It’s a bandade solution to the mess that they actually made. This is more noticeable with Ultra Violence, since Hurt Me Plenty is too easy and I don’t want to imagine how Nightmare is. Something like Serious Sam didn’t even needed it, because while it was a wave based arena shooter like Doom, it was well thought out.”
Clearly the ID guys knew that serious sam and painkiller does not work properly which is why they added the glory kills. I dont know when it was the last time you played serious sam, but do me a favor go replay the first game on normal or harder and you will notice a ton of unfair rooms with difficulty spikes, heck there is one hidden area in the first egyptian town that leads behind a back alley and walkers with heavy weapons spawn right above you. Meaning it is IMPOSSIBLE to dodge their attacks since you are stuck at a corner, how on earth is this fair? No its not well thought out, go replay it you are wrong.
“Shadow Warrior and Shadow Warrior 2 can be chaotic too with it’s wave based enemies, but at least you are very mobile”
Ehh no you are not, you have a sprint button and you constantly run away from enemies because they are bulletsponges.
“And fights in Shadow Warrior 1 and 2 can be intense and actually feel kinda rewarding.”
Ehh no, shadow warrior 1 fights can be summed up as inaccurate weapons that need to reloaded and barely do any damage the combat feels lame and the gore system is GARBAGE it is possible to burn someone’s legs off with a flamethrower and despite they no longer have any flesh they keep on coming when their legs are mere bones. Seriously wtf you talking about?
“Funny enough, there is a map pack for Brutal Doom called Hell on Earth Starter Pack. It’s fanmade, but goddamn is it fun”
That map pack is good but its design with cover based combat in mind, some areas are too small and you cant srafe like serious sam or shadow warrior or climb on stuff like doom and shadow warrior 2.
” There are more enemies on screen in it than Doom 1 and 2,”
Never played TNT evilution and plutonia experiment? Or valiant? Or any other large megawad?
“with very distinct sound cues too. And it feels more satisfying too and even uses a waaay more balanced version of the “Glory Kill” system in the form of the “Cruelty bonus”. ”
You know i use project brutality because its faster than brutal doom with more weapons, so i dont know how brutal doom is right now, but in project brutality the brutal kills are utter garbage because you have to slow down to do one of those finishers and you get attacked, plus the health and armor points you get by doing it, are too little too late. So i remain on the stance that the new doom does everything best. Great weapon design, not very powerfull though, imps can take a rocket to the face. id say wolfenstein new order does it better. Great level design with lots of arenas with stuff to climb and ledges, lots of hidden items, some parts are a bit like half life. The helI levels though are a big small i expected the later levels to be larger with many enemies. Most enemies shoot projectiles so you can dodge them and it has a nice upgrade system them to keep you going. Also purely unapologetic about its attitude.
There is literally nothing says you cant do that other than saying “you can do that in AAA games”
Despite the fact its been done all the time…cough, cough, doom….i would rather have doom than another pretentious CINEMATIC crap like the order1886. Why should a AAA game spend as much money as possible like say max payne 3 only to make a boring over scripted piece of crap? Wasted money and the fans are pissed in the end. i very much rather have a good game with high production quality than a “cinematic” game following the trends of AAA Idiocy. its a good way to save money after all.
“but without the brilliant enemy composition of Serious Sam”
I dont know waht you mean about that, serious sam got boring pretty fast way too many enemies and way too simplistic enemy behavior with very simplistic level design, it did not take much thought.
“Everything in Doom seems so chaotic with no thought or meaning put into those enemy waves”
Are you sure you are not talking about serious sam because this is EXACTLY how i would describe serious sam and painkiller and all those wave based games. Too chaotic without meaning. Doom on the other hand every enemy had different enemy behaviors and when you finish a wave, the next wave spawned, unlike serious sam that became a clusterfck pretty fast. in serious sam you running around killing hundreds of enemies with weapons that dont have much to say, each weapon is better than the last one and you hold down the firing button until they are dead. In doom you have balanced weapons with different functions and you climb up on various objects to change your position. Also you got challenges that give you upgrade points and you got those glory kills that not only diversify the battle but give you what you need when you need it. Serious sam is not a well thought out game, doom is. The mechanics in serious sam are pretty basic simplistic and repetitive. Foe example in the very first serious sam the game decides to spawn a huge enemy in a tiny room. You cant dodge its attacks in that small room and there isnt enough health in the area to survive that batle on higher difficulties. Serious sam is not a well thought out game. On the other hand doom is, every attack can be dodged there are no hitscan enemies, the pickups are strategicly placed and meele attacks give health and ammo.
“ach enemy had distinct but recognizable attack patterns that force you to adapt on the fly and switch to the acording weapon, ”
id say that applies more to doom.
‘ Also enemies vary in threat levels”
and in doom they dont?
“in Serious Sam you always feel in control,”
In doom you have air control you can jump strafe.
Wow, didn’t expect such a detailed response. Um.. Don’t get me wrong, Doom is an awesome game for what it is. It’s just… I don’t know, it’s something about it that rubs me the wrong way. Should’ve put a “this is my opinion” disclaimer. :/
I can replay Serious Sam to the end of times and still won’t get bored. I never found Serious Sam chaotic, quite the opposite.Sometimes, I feel like I’m playing a puzzle game… a very brutal puzzle game. I played the Doom campaign on Ultra Violence. I had fun for a while but I got bored after a while. The enemies are varied, the weapons are awesome… something isn’t right. I can’t really explain without sounding like some hipster…
I may have some bias for Serious Sam, since I’ve played since I was 12 and still replay today. And it’s not like I want to hate the new Doom game… Something just didn’t click with me, you feelin’ me man.
I will give you this, level design in Serious Sam isn’t it’s strong suit.
There were enemies that you did not have to kill, go watch a speedrun.
“it had no soul”
it had a soul it was doom, exactly what the fans asked.
“I seen prototype Doom 4 that the fools canceled and that was great, story based shooter”
BAHAHAHAHAHAH OHOHO AHAHAHHAH what a moron, delete your account, you have lost your gamingcred.
“HUR DUR I DONT WANT A PROPER DOOM GAME BECAUSE I AM A CONSOLE PEASANT I WANT ANOTHER MODERN BROWN AND GREY LINEAR SCRIPTED SHOOTER AIMED AT CONSOLE GAMERS WHO HAVE NEVER PLAYED DOOM.
They tried that with Rage you did not bought it, they have fans what hey wanted.
Doom most definitely has “soul” its just that you are not a doom fan and you dont get the references, go watch the noclip documentary. You are one of the guys that dont get that the game was designed on purpose to be a mockery of the very modern fps you wanted to get instead of doom. It is purely unapologetic, it gives you doom, not some modern shooter with health regen.
Thanks for proving me that Doom “fans” are low IQ imbeciles.
Meh.
They can never make HL3 worth the hype but I guess they could make a smaller and cheaper episode 3 to show off source 2. Some would complain that they didnt get proper HL3 but that would be better than nothing.
Hlaf Life will never happen, Valve has too much to lose.
more like they have much more to win selling games off of steam than releasing a new game that would probably not meet expectations
Then why not give some capable dev? Blizzard, Bioware, one of the good COD teams, Naughty Dog, B1 guys, Titanfall 2 guys
because hl3 will be their trump card if their software distribution empire ever goes bankrupt
All i want is to end the story. Cause you know “Episode Two” end with the worst cliffhanger in video games history. Damn you Gabe…
There is a episode 3 mod, ITS CRAP but, hear me out here, the last few chapters finish the story in some half decent way. I got bored of the mod and stopped playing it but then i decided to finish it at some point and the ending kinda filled that gap, now it was not filled with gold and sweets but it was better than being empty, after all, all the half life games end on cliffhanger, at least that mod finished it.
I’ve just watched some gameplay on YouTube and it’s really BAD, we need something official from the sickos at Valve.
Half-Life 3 will be announced at E3 this year and will come out this year in November on the 10th Anniversary of the The Orange Box and will be a PC exclusive.
mfw
Whatever, Valve doesn’t want to make games anymore. They’re just content with getting all that Steam money.
THE PAIN, MAKE IT STOP!
drink some painkiller
You drink some rat spray
Fans should create spiritual sucessor of this game,called “Half Dead (waiting) episode 3”
HL3 is going to happen at some point that’s for sure.
Eh.
At this point, even if a SP Half-Life 3 sold massively, it wouldn’t be a constant cash cow that something like DOTA is. It wouldn’t benefit Valve to devote so many resources to a game that would bring them a boatload of money once. The only way they might do it is if it was an open world game that included user-generated content and an integrated marketplace that they could make money on hand-over-fist day-in and day-out.
Imagine being a citizen of Half-Life’s world and you’re just trying to get by. It’d be a SP experience(or maybe with drop-in/drop-out co-op) but you’d have social aspects by bringing in user-generated content you’d pay for. Essentially paid mods. The base game world would be uniform across the board but through this additional user-made content, everyone’s map would be unique.
“Oh, you want this fortified base model that some guy in Norway made? He’s selling it for $3.99 but the thing is massive, comes with NPC guards, an NPC assistant and built-in introductory mission.”
“Oh, you want this new island added to your game that a team of indies from Manila worked on? It’s $7.99 but has 15 quests totalling 40-50 hours of gameplay.”
Half-Life 3 would have to be some kind of persistent, on-going monetary platform that could have the longevity of a WoW for it to be worth it to Valve.
HL is single player cow. Turning single player cows into mp cows doesn’t work as well as if you milk games that have mp in their DNA.
“Imagine being a citizen of Half-Life’s world and you’re just trying to get by.”
What good is that? That is modern day Russia by the looks of how things are going. Seriously Russia’s economy is horrible due to the sanctions, they dont even have children anymore. All you need is a authoritarian state like a more hardcore Putin and there you go.
Russia is the real HL³ confirmed.
Why there is no Half-Life 3? It’s all Russians doing.
I think there’s a decent chance we’ll see HL3 some day. My bet is that Valve is saving it for when they really want to sell lots and lots of a specific hardware, such as Vive 2/3. Imagine how many decently priced VR headsets HL3 could sell – talk about a killer app.
Better make L4D3, and turn it into f2p, so they milk millions with years to come.
The most overated games ever made
half life 1 was revolutionary at its time.
Half Life was my first PC game I’ve ever played and completed. And I still replay it to this day. 🙂
doom 2 was my first but godamn half life 1 is still amazing. Apart from the shooting mechanics.
You can’t have enough of these poophead trolls in here, isn’t there a filter for the love of god?
you probably think call of duty is god-tier huh?
I actually won COD IW and gave it to a friend, because I don’t like COD.
No shooter should be played with a controller. You did a good thing.
They have a chance to make Half-Life 3, Team Fortress 3, Left4Dead 3, Portal 3. See a pattern? The Vive possibilities for these ‘possible’ sequels, could/would be astounding, and big VR unit shifters.
It sucks to have Valve as the representative of PC gaming. They don’t buy exclusivity rights for Steam from developers and neither wants to make games anymore…
Sony always cares and respects their customers, I highly recommend buying a ps4 pro
“Sony always cares and respects their customers,”
HAHAHAHAAH yeah ps3 was so respectful, please sony always lies and overhypes its just that you are all a bunch of brainwashed sony ponies and cant understand how much sony has lied to you and manipulated you, after all you are doing the free marketing for them. I still laugh at NMS and how all the people that promoted and hyped that game were sony shills. No one on pc took it with face value, they were skeptic about it. But since sony ponies are easily hyped and believe in unicorns and rainbows, its marketing was right at home and the brainwashed sony fanboy brains.
” highly recommend buying a ps4 pro”
To do what? Play 30 fps while having to pay for mp and still having to deal with long installs, constant updates, crashes, freezes and expensive games with no exclusives? But hey i forgot ” i play on console because you insert the disc and play, you dont need to upgrade every year”
You failed miserably sony drones, PC WON, 31 billion revenue in a year. Consoles are dying.
sony made 117 billion last year, they always respected me, i was loyal to them since ps1
Sony is not just playstation you freaking clown. They never respected you ps3 599$ and now you pay for mp. They always lied about their games with fake tech demos.
dude can you stop insulting me?sony is superior and that’s just my opinion
Your opinion is stupid and you are a troll and have no idea how money works. Go suck off sony some more.
Kill urself brain damaged kid
If I’ll ever buy a PS4/PS4 Pro, it certainly won’t be for TLOU Remastered or Uncharted 4 or even that travesty GOW game that from the looks of it doesn’t look anywhere near as remotely as fun as the previous GOW games. Yet fanboys lap it up like it’s the second coming of Christ…
Nier Automata was the game that made me want to own a PS4, but it’s coming to PC so… I guess there’s Yakuza, Gravity Rush 2 and Bloodborne are all that it’s left… That’s not a whole lot for me to consider owning a PS4, at least not now.
no dude that game is like dark souls but more boring, buy it for uncharted 4, you won’t regret it
I don’t like Uncharted in general, sorry. Production values for the games are nice, but the gameplay is waaaaay too restricted and scripted for my liking, not to mention little to no replayability. I care for that kind of stuff in my games.
At least Bloodborne is more of a game than Uncharted. At least it’s challenging and it has atmosphere. At least it respects my intelligence if Dark Souls is anything to go by. And while I’m more of spectacle fighter enthusiast (Devil May Cry, Bayonetta or most of Platinum games), I like From Software’s games…
In short, I value gameplay above all else in my games. Uncharted has shallow gameplay… and for me, no amount of production values can hide it. But at least Uncharted is kind of fun in that shallow way. TLOU isn’t even good in that aspect…
Exactly. Why pay 60 bucks for a interactive movie? The game gotta last and have replay value.
“that game is like dark souls but more boring,”
“dark souls…..boring|
“boring”
“dark souls”
I dont like dark souls but “boring”
BORRING?
You are either a filthy casual or a troll.
BUY IT FOR UNCHARTED 4 YOU WONT REGRET IT……for all the 4 hours it takes to beat that game, cutscenes excluded. Such a competent “game” sometimes you gotta press a button to climb up, some other times you gotta press another button to pop out of cover and shoot.
Truly a game for skilled players
No wonder you like consoles you are a filthy casual that cant handle complexity and gets bored easily so you need to sit back and watch the game play out for ya in the form of a movie.
Somehow, I doubt you have touched Dark Souls or Bloodborne..
why would i touch games i find extremely boring? do you have mental illness?
As in I do not believe you played it at all. So you can not know if it is boring or not. Also, I do have a mental illness, thank you.
I played them and found them to be very boring, never touched them since, also about that mental issue thing, i had mental illness before, i recommend drinking bleach
Exclusivity deals are pretty dreadful though. I like to think one of the things that makes PC gaming better than any other medium is the fact that it (mostly) doesn’t adhere to the market rules of console publishing.
You need exclusives to sell consoles,otherwise no one would buy them.
Yep, but you certainly don’t need exclusives to sell PCs, which personally, I think is pretty great.
steam is the largest library of exclusives that has ever been created.
largest library of games that have metacritic scores below 40
HEY I RUN AT 20 MILES PER HOUR
SOURCE?
Me
There is your answer.
Steam has more games than all consoles combined, can you say the same about ps4? No, infact lets check metacritic. driveclub 71, driveclub vr 67, knack 54, the order 1886 63. killzone shadowfall 73
“BUT WHAT ABOUT UNCHARTED 4”
Yeah it has higher rating than uncharted 3 but thats about it. Its still another uncharted game that you can finish in one day with no replay value and half the game is freaking cut scenes.
Paid Exclusivity is bad. Shame on you for even mentioning it as a good thing. Why would valve make games when they make more money and offer more to pc gaming with steam? I rather have thousands of games coming out than wait for that one game by valve which will take decades to come out.
Paid exclusivity is bad because only consoles do it. Valve have the money, but they don’t care
i think coming years SONY is gonna win big. PC has no real exclusives apart from MOBA and dying RTS (that no one play anymore). SONY has so many line up of exclusives and Uncharted 4 sold 8.7M copies and PS4 itself sold 50.4M units. Seriously what games in 2016 sold 8.7M units? Even multi-plats AAA is in danger. I’m glad SONY first party devs are actually making innovations to their games. PC gaming is dying yet again TBFH.
You’re smoking crack.
Sony D crack.
OMFG. Is this a pun concerning “Sunny D” ?
No it s a pun on how sony fanboys are SUCKING SONYS D!!!
You really suck at trolling. PC and mobile lead the gaming market.
By far. Consoles are dying along with physical media.
I completely agree, sony is the future of gaming as it is now
You are also a brain damaged sony D smoking clown. Pc made 31 billion last year and has the most exclusives, the hardware ps4 uses is pc hardware, consoles have become too much of hassle with minimum benefits, which is why more and more people switch to pc gaming.
PC has the worst exclusives, they’re all low quality games, really bad, if PC has a good quality exclusive like xcom, divinity original sin or etc, it will be ported on consoles no doubt
also SONY and it’s first party studios made 117 billion last year, almost 4 times more than PC
“PC has the worst exclusives, ”
opinion. To me xbox and wii has the worst exclusives. Ps4 exclusives are same old same old nothing new, just more cinematic games no innovation.
” they’re all low quality games,”
Define quality, because ratings dissagree.
” if PC has a good quality exclusive like xcom, divinity original sin or etc, it will be ported on consoles no doubt”
Wasteland 2 was ported to consoles, Xcom 1 was ported to consoles, YOU DID NOT BOUGHT IT, So xcom 2 is pc only for now. Most of the sales of xcom came from pc. Infact sanctum 2 console sales did not even justify the porting costs.
“also SONY and it’s first party studios made 117 billion last year, almost 4 times more than PC”
Nah man they made 234254345345345 bazillion, :s
Do you even have a basic grasp of what 117 billion is?
well the option is there, we can buy every PC games that have good reviews
“REVIEWS” Who even the fck cares about reviews still? You really are showing every piece of your ignorance and superficiality in videogames, after all it all comes with the fact you play consoles
dude can you stop insulting me because of my opinions?you guys give us pc players bad names
Why should i?You’re insulting not even every pc player ever existed, you’re also insulting videogames world.
i haven’t insulted anyone
Only your intelligence…or lack there off.
You are insulting everyone, coming on a PC gaming based website, starting an alleged argument based on YOUR (senseless) opinion, and expecting no insults, you either are trolling, so insults are only a result of that, or you’re very stupid, so i’d be saying nothing more or less than the truth
ok, won’t say anything else, made me upset
Alright you’re trolling, i got it now, see you.
No your opinions are stupid and what gives console players a bad name is your very existence. Typical brainless sony troll who knows NOTHING about ANYTHING.
“Who even the fck cares about reviews still?”
Yup, that stopped being a thing the community cared a long time ago, why do you need reviews when you have youtubers?
He confused yen with dollars
Yen is a worthless currency and it is typical that he gets his information from Duashills and propably makes arguments like “HUR DUR PS4 HAS MORE EXLUSIVES CUZ…LOOK AT THOSE JAPAN ONLY GAMES THAT WILL BE LOCALIZED IN A YEAR FROM NOW.
Even the lowest quality exclusive on pc is light-year better than what retards consolers rate the best game on that shitload of plasticky box
i prefer to play last of us instead of undertale, that’s my opinion
Last of us came in 2013, do you have anything new?
“Yeah last of us 2”
You making my point, ps4 has no games, they throw something up in the air and if it doesnt crash, they make a sequel and then another sequel and another sequel and another one….at some point you get bored.
not if they make another sequel
You are making our point consoles have no games, just sequels to the same old generic casual and quite frankly BORING games we played 100 times already pc is the future.
Seriously, save your face kid, stop it, you’re making it ridiculous, console user’s opinion don’t matter, because console means casual, so casual opinions don’t matter
You’re a stupid ignorant troll, that’s what
And also gtfo from pc master race website, ya peasant
“PC has no real exclusives”
Neither does sony. Ps4 is like 4 years old, It came out in 2013 and infamous was average, the order, driveclub, knack and shadowfall sucked. They re released old games like the last of us, uncharted collection and ratchet and clank, lost metal gear, lost final fantasy and now after all that time you got uncharted 4 and a bunch of crappy vr games.
Where are the exclusives? Obviously uncharted 4 sold, its not like there is anything in the system. AAA Exclusives are dying, ps4 barely has any AAA exclusives to justify buying one.
” I’m glad SONY first party devs are actually making innovations to their games. ”
What innovations?
“. PC gaming is dying yet again TBFH.”
Pc Generated 31 billion last year and has the most exlusives and the largest gaming library ever, the so called “50.4M” that sony won is nothing in comparison. Heck, if pc did not fund the hardware research amd and nvidia is doing you wouldnt have a playstation you moron.
But according to you its sony thats gonna “win big” and not pc.
Stop sucking sonys D and maybe you realize how irrelevant consoles are becoming. Pay for mp, no exclusives, constant updates, installations, blue screens of death, crashes and now ps4pro cuz you dont need to upgrade consoles am i right? Console gaming is becoming too much of hassle with too expensive games to bother with. Which is why more and more people are playing on pc now than ever, pc will destroy consoles in the next 5 years.
you are just pathetic as those consoles fanboys. you are all pathetic hating each other for not using same platforms.
it’s just like blacks hating on whites and whites discriminating blacks. just even sadder.
The only thing pathetic here is your pathetic username. So quite trying to place high and mighty when your username is trollbait.
you clearly havent met real “PC_Peasant” so you don’t get it yet
Consoles are trash and the consumer base will always be limited. Only a few tens of millions of people in the world are willing to pay $400 for a box that only does gaming and doesn’t even do that at a high performance. Consoles are the last vestige of physical media, which is dying. Everything is moving to digital and streaming. Console manufacturing is a suckers’ game.
The only reason Sony is keeping Playstation alive is because it’s literally the only thing in their portfolio that makes any money so they need something positive to report to inevstors, even though their gaming division makes up something like 3% of their global assets.
pc gaming made more than xbox and ps4 combined, the amount of pc players are growing rapidly every year and bragging about exclusives is mind blowing seeing as exclusives are nothing but anti consumer and lock a certain portion of people out bc they didnt buy this instead of that. grow up
there are games like uncharted 4 and other sony exclusive masterpieces around to play and there are some people who still want half life, smh
>comparing uncharted to half life
>can’t be serious
I meant to compare it to masterpieces like last of us and games naughty dog makes, since they both have apocalyptic theme except half life is overrated and boring but last of us and uncharted are both masterpieces
Never played the last of us, played first 2 uncharted for like 20 mins each, and they are a ugly copy of tomb raiders with a male character, the last of us looks and sounds like another zombie drama game, nothing special. Both half life 1 and 2 revolutionized the FPS genre in their own way every time they came out, after all these years might be overrated, but it’s not, and you can’t expect to play hl (1998) even more than 6/7 years later and find it innovative or particularly entertaining, same goes with hl2, except it was much less innovative than its predecessor, but still a 9-10 out of 10 game especially for the tech and the lore. The only console game/saga comparable to old pc masterpieces is the one i have as avatar, metal gear solid, rest is much more overrated than what you think HL is.
nah man you say that because you can’t get your hands on a masterpiece like last of us, i smell jealousy
No, it’s different, i don’t need that, because i played much much better games than that, you just can’t see further than your sh**ty useless box
my PC is better than you and probably everyone else here but i chose to play on SONY’s platform because ps4 pro is the future and SONY respects me
“my PC is better than you ”
Well thats not much of an argument, my sega genesis is better than YOU as well. Because you are an idiotic troll.
“ps4 pro is the future and SONY respects me”
Ps4 pro is already outdated with no games and Sony doesnt love you honey, but keep giving them money, buy ps4 pro 2 that will totally hide the fact that console gaming is becoming what jim sterling said years ago…”a crappy pc” and like he said pc will always be better than a console trying to be a pc.
Such masterpiece, that the ai bumps on each other all the time and feels like i am playing a game from digitial homocide.
meanwhile half life 2 has better companion ai in 2004.
speaking of digital homocide, DH to PC gaming is like a first party studio, they make only PC exclusives
Digtial homicide was banned from steam, so no. But if you want to go there pc has no first or second or third party, pc is open to all which is why we got dead rising 4 and quantum break and you did not.
Face it, the only reason sony has first party studios is to sell playstations and the only reason playstations are selling is because microsoft sucks at making consoles.
I actually own a ps4. I attempted to play the last of us because people kept telling me it was amazing and it runs at 60fps on the ps4. I found it so mind numbingly boring I quit after 2 hours. I tried to like it. I really did. Its boring though… Exceptionally.
BUT DUDE IF YOU JUST KEEP PLAYING IT GETS BETTER AFTER THE FIRST 2 HOURS.
Yup they told me that too.
It doesn’t EVER get better. The gameplay is just that lame..
“the last of us looks and sounds like another zombie drama game, ”
yup, it has stealth and upgrade but other than that its the same old zombie apocalypse story with less zombies around.
“and games naughty dog makes,”
Right what was so good about naughty dog during ps2?
“since they both have apocalyptic theme”
No they dont
“except half life is overrated and boring but last of us and uncharted are both masterpieces”
Hal life that had cutting edge technology and lots of variety for its time is “overrated” and “boring” but indian jones pew pew climb number 54, is not “overrated” for being a generic scripted linear movie game and is not “boring” when you do the same thing over and over again?
Are you braindamaged? The very thing that makes uncharted good is the scripted moments and the realistic facial animations, thinks that half life PIONEERED!
But dude a cinematic indiana jones movie is far better than half life…am i right?
Jesus this guy lives on fking saturn
He said that bloodborne is like dark souls but more “borring” and we should buy a ps4 pro for uncharted 4 instead and we should trust him because “we wont regret it”
We talking about a Class A peasant with couch Doritos mountain dew syndrome.
He says that we are the ones who insult him….his mere existence is an insult to pc gaming.
i dont get your idiotic braindamaged argument. Uncharted games are scripted and linear like cod. How on earth you say they are sooooo great when they are in fact interactive movies. Do people still want half life? Yeah they do but not for the peasant reason you think, aka the story.
A PC gamer can also play a masterpice like Doom 2016 in 4K@60FPS, with Keyboard and Mouse as it should be. No real reason to complain, right.
real doom fans are at ps4, where they belong, i can play doom in 4k on a powerful console like ps4 pro
Oh. It can be played in native 4K, really? Please, point me to a source. It does always stay above 60FPS, right? Also, throw away that crappy controller, all shooters must be played with K&M. Even better, with a gaming keypad and a gaming mouse.
most pc gamers play on resolutions lower than 1080, something that sony been doing for years now, you can’t tell the difference between native 4k and what sony is offering
You serious? Resolutions lower than 1080p? 1080p has been the most popular resolution for years, back when Sony offered 720p.
And well, since you mention it, I can tell the difference between 1080p and 4K. Really. Also, you said you can play Doom in 4K in a ‘powerful’ console like the ps4 pro. I want some proof, please. Pretty please.
I said you can’t tell difference between native 4k and what SONY is offering as 4k, I play doom in 4k regularly, proof: me
“proof: me”
Your source is as reliable as the mainstream media. AKA not at all.
just to be clear, some games run native 4k on pro
Some as in few, could count it on the fingers of a hand, please, disappear
Ok, but, please, clarify me. Do you play Doom 2016 at 4K at 60FPS or higher, with a gaming keyboard/keypad/mouse?
dude, why would i play with keyboard and mouse?i’m very good and comfortable with a ps4 controller
Well, that sucks. You’re missing a vastly superior experience found on the PC platform. Not to mention real 4K@60+ FPS.
Ok, I’ve enough feeding the troll. You really showed no evidence, and you’re really boring at this time. Bye, ‘good’ Doom 2016 player with controller.
i buy two copies of doom for pro and play them at the same time, it will be 60fps
30+30 = 60
What you just said makes no sense, then again you are a troll.
it’s a simple math, 30+30 = 60
You know what here have a like. i am gonna put this in the pc master reddit
“ILL BUY TWO COPIES OF DOOM ON CONSOLE, IF I PLAY THEM AT THE SAME TIME IT WILL BE 60 FPS, 30+30=60”
This is going to the pc master race reddit.
lol! nuff said!
“why would i play with keyboard and mouse?i’m very good and comfortable with a ps4 controller”
“controller”
“fps”
“comfortable”
tank aimaing= comfortable
fast paced fps with a “controller”
dodging attacks while maintaining the cross hair on the enemy…with a controller?
Get out of here clown.
Also turn off the auto aim and then we will see who is “good”
I don’t use auto aim, i used to be in a professional call of duty team, we won a lot back then
“i used to be in a professional call of duty team”
“I don’t use auto aim,”
…….
“some games run native 4k on pro”
Yeah ancient looking ones.
“most pc gamers play on resolutions lower than 1080”
Let me remind you that a mac laptop is a capable of playing games, ANY GAMES, like say UNDERTALE that you dont need 1080.
But you keep bashing people when 90% of the games on ps4 are 2D RETROPIXELART GAMES FROM PC.
Hey guys i bought a ps4 pro,
Thats nice what you gonna play on it?
Stardrew valley and starbound.
Couldnt you play that on your laptop?
Well….. yeah
CONGRATS ON YOUR PS4 PRO.
“you can’t tell the difference between native 4k and what sony is offering”
YOU cant tell the difference between med high and maxed out, infact according to you consolefantards you can tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps BUT HEY you can tell the difference between 1080p and 900p because xbone runs games on 900p and ps4 runs them on 1080p….BUT WHEN THE ORDER IS DOING IT, NNOOONONOO IT IS CINEMATIC, IT IS A “ARTISTIC CHOICE” CUZ PAPA SONY IS PURRRRFECT!!
Freaking sony drones, get a life already.
you type very fast, overall, i’d say i’m playing on a superior platform, resolution and frame rate compared to 98 percent of PC gamers
“i’d say i’m playing on a superior platform, resolution and frame rate compared to 98 percent of PC gamers”
Playing what? Uncharted 4 a linear scripted move that is over in a few hours?
Is that why you got the “superior platform” ?
Then again you bought a ps4 pro so you spend even more money on trash
If i build a super powerful pc it will be for games that justify having alot of power, like star citizen, not to watch a interactive movie like uncharted for crying out loud.
I think what’s important is that console gamers THINK they’re playing games at true 4K. There’s no way for them to tell the difference. Marketing creates a powerful placebo effect with tech noobs. They’re the same people who legit believed that the human eye couldn’t tell the difference between 30/60fps… only because their hardware sucked and could barely do 30.
“real doom fans are at ps4, ”
Playing doom with a controller, not having access to the largest collection of user created content made by the tools that Cormack released to the community for free…..shaking my head.
” where they belong,”
Shaking my head again. Doom belongs to pc, It sold more on pc too.
“i can play doom in 4k on a powerful console like ps4 pro”
At med high settings with fake upscaled 4k and STILL not hitting 60 fps….not to mention having to pay for mp and re buying a ps4 because “HUR DUR YOU DONT HAVE TO UPGRADE CONSOLES EFERY YEAR”
Shaking my head again at your peasantry. Face it troll, you lost, consoles suck.
i believe there are more foods than i can chew here
“I talked to one developer who actually gave me legitimate information ”
Yeah ofc and that dev guy is he’s friend, they go to bar and drink beer every weekend.
Typical bs. After that line I stopped reading 😛
reiner is one of the oldest faces of industry, if you knew him you’d know he’s not that type of person, i’m saying this because i’ve been watching their podcasts for 2 years now
valve might show something this year but not half life,the resources gone into vr and some for steam os(linux)..im so glad valve done something to my favorite os.
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Man, after gamingderp, the biggest sony defence force robot with absolutely no life….AT ALL, who valiantly defended the honor of his lady, sony, a few years ago…..i am immune to losing my sanity to random peasants on the internet. After all everything we told them turned out to be true so they quietly shut up and disappeared
That block feature sure would have been nice when that nutjob send my like 300 notifications by copy pasting entire essays of defending sony and replying to every comment of mine he could find on ANY site about ANYTHING.
Well, it exists now as soon as I see blatant bait (not trolling, that requires intelligence) more than once I block.
Better rather lose my time
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So many useless trolls. I love the block feature! lol
Me too. It is funny when they are blocked and try to reply. xD
Definitely down to Valve’s flat structure model. It’s impossible for a company that large to get a big project like that done when no one’s in charge. Such a travesty really, considering how much of a cliff hanger Episode 2 ended on.
At this point the industry has moved so far ahead in game design and tech that I’m surprised if anyone is still waiting for or hyped by a HL3… What was great in 2004 is still great, but cmon now – it would be very difficult now for VALVE to really raise the bar again.
“There are dozens of us!” that just want to see the a conclusion to the story and some mysteries resolved.
I want anything thats like HL2 or Portal from Valve.. They really know how to make good games..
They should make Half Life 3 a VR game. Vive, Occulus, and open source for purposes of later VR headsets.
And they should team up with the creators of the VR game “Raw Data” to get it done. I feel like I am playing through certain sections of Half Life 2 when playing Raw Data. This is how it should be, and will be. This I foretell.
I dont hate ps4… just the everyday sony bullcrap. And on that box you can put every single sony drone lurking a PC “ONLY” GAMING SITE.
So in the end of the day… i hate the 95 % of the (above avarage toxic levels) ps4 community.
Maybe its cuz they have lots of PROblems
Ps4 without the sony drones is fine. These people keep me away from playstation until its old and they have shut the fck up so i can enjoy playing on it without feeling i am part of the crazy sony internet defense force.
Why you hate gay people? Also we did not go to a console site telling them that uncharted 4 sucks. They came here to inform us how they got their uncharted 4 and we did not get hl3.