It seems that AMD is not slowing down and wants to keep its momentum after releasing its Zen 2 desktop processors. At its 2nd generation EPYC processor launch event, the red team revealed that it has completed the design phase for Zen 3.
Since the design phase of Zen 3 is complete, AMD could release the first Zen 3 CPUs in 2020, with Zen 4 succeeding them in 2021. AMD has not clarified whether the first Zen 3 CPUs will target datacenters/enterprises or clients/gamers. Moreover, the 2020 target window is not official yet.
From what we know so far, the “Zen 3” microarchitecture is designed for the next big process technology change within 7nm, EUV. This will allow significant increases in transistor densities, and may bring big improvements in energy-efficiency. Zen 3 CPUs could also feature a new ISA instruction-sets.
On the other hand, the Zen 4 architecture likely targets a 2021 market debut. By that time, the 7nm process will have matured and attained high enough volumes at TSMC. Unfortunately, though, we don’t have any additional details about Zen 4.
Speaking of Ryzen CPUs, I should most probably give you an update on our Ryzen PC system. Unfortunately, AMD’s latest Ryzen CPUs are still not available in Greece. Not only that, but the components are really overpriced here. What this means is that with the same amount of money, we can build an Intel i9 9900K system. Therefore, and if AMD’s Ryzen CPUs are still unavailable until September, we’ll build an Intel i9 9900K system.
Kudos to our reader Metal Messiah for bringing this to our attention!
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its hard to request a unit from amd?
We always purchase our hardware components. We are not sponsored by any company (which is obviously a good and a bad thing). Smaller websites than us get free stuff so I guess we are not that good in PR ?
At least your not begging from a company for a free stuff unlike other site 😀 and you should be proud of it…
It has nothing to do with our traffic. We have a big fanbase (700K visitors per month). Way smaller websites than us get free stuff. To be honest, I don’t mind since we can afford building a new high-end rig. However, we have to face these availability issues like every customer out there. Oh, and companies refuse to send free stuff for other reasons (perhaps we shouldn’t speak our minds and have a “favourite” company ?)
Well why don’t you try and buy from another country? You can buy from here in italy, and get someone to ship the stuff to you, i can even help you if you want, otherwise try and buy from a closer country, should be doable, and prices should be decent in romania for example.
could be all the nude mods you post about ;-P
can’t you import from another country? Greece is part of the EU, can’t you just buy one from Amazon in France or Germany?
Amazon shipping will take 15 days to a month. Also, and since we’ll build a new PC from scratch, we’ll also need a motherboard (same issue with availability here). Now imagine if we get a defective product or if the CPU/motherboard fails after a month or two; it will be a nightmare until we can sort things out, especially when we can build a i9 system and call it a day.
Nice. I built an i9-9900K just a couple of months ago and I love it. Paired it with a 2080Ti and what’s not to like?
umm.. the price?
What about the price? Aim higher than minimum wage and it’s not a big deal for best in class performance in every category
Thank you, exactly .
Precisely.
Why waste the maximum amount of money when you can get near identical performance for MUCH less, even IF you’re working?
There are those who generate bags of cash montly, but yet decide to modestly build a PC. It’s a way of approaching a hobby rather than revolving around budget. On top of that, there isn’t much a point of purchasing “best in class” when cheaper selection offers close to desirable performance. Also “minimum wage” depends on a country. Where I live, even such job role as software engineer payment barely exceeds 1,5k$, engineers, scientists tend to fall slightly behind.
Expensive is a relative term.
Whats expensive for you may not be for someone else.
Nothing worse than people on the internet telling others how their money should be spent.
$500 from some guy, must have fallen off a truck.. so no, price was AWESOME.
Well with the Intel chip, the security is something you should be concerned with. If you just use it for games then it’s less of a concern. As far as the 2080Ti goes, you paid a lot of money to become an alpha tester for Nvidia’s underpowered proprietary implementation of DXR.
Hey man, if someone calls your computer business and asks if you buy computer equipment and they have an unopened Asus Dual 2080Ti and you can get it from them for $500, I bet you would pay that much also. So no, I didn’t pay to become an alpha tester, but I paid for less than a 1080Ti for a much more powerful card.
If only they put this amount of constant force and dedication in their high end GPU dept.
I might wait for Zen 3, see how that pans out, and if not, then Zen 4 instead.
They didn’t have money for it up until now. It will take time, just like it did with CPUs.
RX 5700 XT is really good, better than expected, and the rumour is there’s 5800 and 5900 still to come, might get really close to the top.
Once they’ll fully roll out a Navi (or Navi+) lineup, they’ll shake Nvidia to the core, price/performance wise, if 5700/XT is anything to go by.
Bought my i9 9900k secondhanded for 390€, really good deal.
The troll at it again.
Timmy Tencent isn’t paying you enough!
I bet you guys will never believe when the Zen 5 is coming out. 😀
Still using socket AM4?
i hope zen 3 is in the PS5.. along with next gen GPU
It’s been confirmed multiple times next gen PS and Xbox both have Zen2 CPUs.
Therefore, and if AMD’s Ryzen CPUs are still unavailable until September, we’ll build an Intel i9 9900K system.
hahaha
Amazon and newegg don’t ship to greece ?
Newegg does not, amazon has .de / .it / .fr / .es / .co.uk / versions which ship.
The problem in general that stock is low iirc
You wont see ANY 3900x online or at retail stores until after AMD launches the 3950x. I have no doubt they are binning and hording all the cores for that launch.
AMD is doing what Intel did for past decade…and they have good reason to! Zen is a great new architecture and if they can have staged upgrades for it, why not milk the cow they worked so hard to build?!
Here’s hoping they don’t get greedy and release new generations with very small improvements and considerable price hikes…
Honestly AMD is one step ahead. With Ryzen 3000, they originally wanted Zen+ on 7nm but said screw it, we can actually have Zen2 on schedule. Plus they thought they were going to compete against Cannonlake 10th gen on desktop and that never happened.
So it was a combo win for AMD.
If there are enough games I care about and that, first AMD CPU with the Flagship Ti of 2020, as if there is another in 2021, honestly what are we doing here?
my 7820x does fine.
Exactly Zen 4 my first AMD Cpu!
I won’t bother with Intel on the 9th gen, the platform is most likely dead. I doubt that their next Cpus will support this socket.
Fully dead. Intel only supports 2 generations on their mobos. Funny thing is, desktop 10th gen will STILL BE Skylake, just with more cores/hyperthreading. But you’ll need a new mobo for that, lol.
Having buyer’s remorse on your Intel chip lol? 😀
Intel is too far behind now and it’s starting to show with the 3900x vs 9900k, AMD is already working on 7nm+ and Intel is still struggling with 10nm. The next release will very likely beat Intel in single core performance.
Zen2 *does* beat Intel’s 9th gen în single core performance today. At least when comparing 4.4 GHz vs Intel’s 5.0. While Intel’s 10th will be 18% faster in IPC, the vastly reduced clocks of 10th gen will still have it on par with Zen 2
AMD needs to stop advertising their boost clocks. These are (3700x) really a 4.2Ghz CPU that might hit their advertised boost (4.4Ghz) for half a nano second (though mine NEVER has). They are also kinda boring to tinker with from an enthusiasts standpoint as there isn’t much room for any overclocking regardless if your cooling with the stock cooler or a $200 AIO. Dont even get me started on the temps and stupidly high idle voltages.
Mine either i get 4.375Ghz lol i think we have to wait for future AGESA updates. I heard the first version 1.0.0.1 did boost correctly on our chips.
When it comes to tweaking leaving the CPU on auto multiplier and just set PBO and max the scaler. Tweak your memory as much as you can using ryzen calculator their is decent gains to be had from just selecting XMP vs manual tuning.
From what I’ve been told and what has been present on roadmaps for several years, 2020 will not see Zen 3. What we will see instead is Zen 2+ which will offer incremental improvements just as we saw with Zen+ in 2018 over the first generation Ryzen chips.
2 years from now? Zen4 will definetely be on AM5 with PCIe5.
Some more news on AMD, @JOHN.
With ever increasing number of exploits, processor manufacturers are finding new and improved ways to secure their system against such dangers. Exploits can be found on hardware and software level, but ones on hardware level are harder to patch and protect against. If you remember Spectre and Meltdown, they used CPU’s branch speculation to
enforce unwanted instruction stream. At software/firmware level we also got a fair number of exploits like recent “Screwed Drivers” incident,where drivers signed and approved by Microsoft are susceptible to privilege escalation.
However, AMD has patented a new way for protecting GPU memory instruction against faults by using a new system method. The proposed method uses system’s “master and slave” devices and manipulates their instruction streams and check for any errors in the process. Firstly, the proposed system converts “slave” device request to dummy operations like NOP (No OPeration) is, and modifies the memory arbiter to issue N master and N slave global/shared memory instructions per cycle, sending master memory requests to memory system. Then it uses slave requests to check for errors and enter master requests in to memory FIFO aka First In First Out memory buffer. Slave request is stored in a register. Finally two values from register, where slave request was stored, and FIFO are compared to see if there are any differences.
https://www.techpowerup.com/258207/amd-patents-new-system-and-method-for-protecting-gpu-memory-instructions-against-faults
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190235953.pdf