Watch Dogs’ visuals seems to be a really hot topic in which Cliff Bleszinski decided to publicly pick a side. According to Bleszinski, the next-gen version of Watch Dogs was downgraded due to the fact that the game is shipping on last-gen consoles too.
“I’d wager that the reason Watch Dogs’ graphics have been downgraded on the high end is due to the fact that it’s shipping on last gen also” said Bleszinski and continued.
“Biggest enemy to next gen consoles is publishers hanging onto the last gen. I’ve said it before, it’s limiting the capabilities of next gen.”
Bleszinski also claimed that mitigation of that risk is then what causes people to not get the next gen consoles, as most publishers are like “Wait we want to be next gen…kinda…not really…maybe…oh and on the Wii U for some reason too”.
In an attempt to give a glimpse of those statements, Bleszinski said that foliage is a graphical feature that has fallen victim to the game’s multi-platform nature.
“Foliage, for example. Instead of some really detailed next gen stuff you still get “sheets” and the resolution is the only thing to change.”
It will be interesting to see whether Bleszinski’s upcoming unannounced title, a title that will be focused on the PC mind you, will be able to wow its audience. After all, you can’t really criticize others when your own product is not a great looker… can you?
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Well Black Flag didn’t get a visual downgrade and that’s a multiplatform game. The simple fact is that game dev can release it like their E3 videos on the PC, they just don’t always ship it for various reasons. If they started top down like Crysis 3/BF4 we wouldn’t have this issue and publishers giving devs a hard time about it.
yes it did
Nope, it’s got all the effects plus NVIDIA extra effects and anti-aliasing mode. Realtime shadows that move with the time of day, shadow casting by the lighting, volumetric fog, wet surfaces done by Compute shaders, foliage moves according to the weather in realtime, screenspace reflections,Tessellation, godrays, high resolution textures, 4K support.
*CLAP CLAP CLAP*^
i was starting to think that i was the only one ,if you look carefully ,ac4 and blacklist got actually better ,im 100% sure that is due the nvidia-ubi partnership
Ubi is stupid enough to make bullshots again as Fc3 ,but thanks to Nvidia which turns out to be a really smart companie ,it wont happen again ,in fact ,there is a chance of getting better features ,we already know that it will feature physx,tessellation and SLI.
Well,FC3 was developed also for last gen consoles,they probably had a good reason to downgrade some elements of the game.
Maybe it wasn’t viable to develop two different versions,maybe they didn’t want to console version look even more gimped than it was.Who knows but last gen consoles downgraded gaming in terms of graphical fidelity and even in gameplay.
This time around, i think,that won’t be the case because majority of devs will develop their game for PC first and then port it to consoles.
MGSV,one of the biggest console exclusives(for now) ,was revealed on the PC platform,just like every other game before the devs got the actual consoles.
PC GOLDEN AGE HAS BEGUN xD o7
fc3 only came up to pc because ubi wasnt that shameless to put that franchise as a console exclusive ,mainly because it was birth on pc by a very good pc dev at that time(Crytek)
also ubi was alone ,no nvidia ,no sony and of course ,no microsoft during the fc3 develop ,i’ll take a guess and say that fc3 turned that way on pc due the low sales of Fc2 ,they didn’t know the pc market very well(in fact ,they have stated that 95% of pc gamers were pirates so go figuere)
today it has the strongest aliates on both sides ,pc and consoles ,Nvidia for pc ,Sony for consoles ,on pc their last games ended up looking the same or even better than its reveal gameplay and that was without a single confimation
now jonny confirmed that the pc version will look better than the E3 2012 ,im starting to think that all this shitstorm about the downgrade started because console fanboys for some reasson thought that the E3 2012 gameplay was running on a ps4—-> LOL ,THEY WEREN’T EVEN REVEALED AT THAT POINT YOU FOOLS!!!
also i find very ironic when you talk about mgs since that franchise ,just as far cry and gta …were birth on the PC platform
pc has always been on its golden age ,but on this gen it is crushing its console counterparts so hard that even the most retarded fanboy is starting to left console gaming and joining to pc gaming
chill kojima has said he wants to do pc version but its not a priority. Gta v and destiny will find their way on pc, hell killer is dead is coming to pc. Seems to me consoles wont have any game that is not available on pc.
It will be pc-ps xbone-pc or exlusives.
Except it was very badly optimized. too bad
On the CPU side yes but you can say the same for the PS4 version, that turned out worse. same for Thief on PS4.
It was a huge improvement over AC3,they are getting better(Ubisoft Kiev,Ukraine ) xD
Cliff Ble … Cliff who ?
He now seems to be aligned with PC because Gears of War on the XBox is not relevant any more and he seemed to have forgiven us for pirating his games while at Epic.
People have an agenda, CliffyB always has one depending on which side of the fence he sits on, shouting his mouth off to the other side.
Yup just like the US supporting Ukraine’s new regime despite its basicly illegal since there was no election.
I dont know where to start with this.
From idiots in n4g claiming the e3 2012 was a faked cgi demo.
To cliff B pointing the obvious.
Or ubisoft claiming that watchdogs is trully next gen with no compromises due to old gen consoles.
OR i should just point out the riddiculus bullcrap i just read that ps4 will be able to do games like second son on 60 fps in a few years….aside form second son having no dynamic shadows…in 2014, last time i checked we didnt get from 30 fps to 60 fps the last generation and the consoles were quite powerfull back than not pieces of crap like they are now.
Right now we dont even know if there is an actual downgrade and ubisoft failed to deliver or if what we saw was the ps3/x360 version. So i guess we should wait.
BTW why is everyone going crazy about watchdogs but not about bioshock infinite, doesnt anyone remember how diffirent the game was in E3? Seems weird to me, or maybe crytek is correct and it is infact true that “60% of the game is the graphics” and everyone is a graphics whore.
Ubi hyped it with gfx claiming that it’s a true “next-gen” tittle at e3, and then when game was supposed to come out , it looked like shit , nothing like they originally showed.
It looks like shit on PS4.
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/watch-dogs-creative-director-pc-version-better-than-e3-2012-build-in-many-regards-ng-close-to-pc/
Everyone is going crazy because this game was supposed to show the benefits of the next gen consoles. Unlike Bioshock this is (was?) the next gen flagman title. Many people bought PS4/X1 for Watch Dogs.
I don’t care about consoles, but it seems like they butchered the PC version as well.
yeah thats what i think too it was the first true next gen game, oh well better luck on division.
I guess i wont have to upgrade my pc anytime soon if watchdogs is graphicalyl unimpressive.
What should i upgrade for? wolfenstein that runs 1080p 60 fps on xbone or evil within? Witcher 3 got pushed to 2015 anyway.
I cant wait for E3 to come so we can see some new games. Everything lately kinda sucks.
Not true I think that title goes to the Division, which has been delayed until next year. WatchDogs was being highly pushed by Sony. They even made a movie deal before the game has went gold.
Division wasn’t supposed to come out in this year. Developers said they only in the early stage of development.
That Watch dogs trailer had a disclaimer that said it wasn’t a final build and the game could change alot from then to final build. So…. it wasn’t CGI but it might aswell have been, was all smoke and mirrors. Either way watch dogs looks like it’s going to have great gameplay so I’m sure I can live with slightly worse graphics than I’d have liked. People saying it’s false advertising are wrong aswell because they are showing actual footage in the trailers, they ould design all the trailers to hide the graphical changes… and let people find out when they’ve already purchased it…
well ubisoft insists that they didnt script everything and they asy that everyone things they scripted the whole thing.
After the fc3 and future soldier i cant believe them either.
I still remember the awesome e3 demos for hl2 and dnf that didnt make it to the game or that halo 2 awesome level in e3.
I dont wanna sound like an elitist but games on consoles are false advertizing by solely showing the photoshoped screenshots or running the game on trailers on a superior resolution that the console is running.
Atleast new vegas was honest “pc footage” appeared on the launch trailer.
The E3 2012 demo wasn’t faked. It ran on high-end PC hardware. The problem is that the level of detail they’ve shown is too much for the PS4 and Xbox One. They also had to downgrade things even more for the sake of consistency. They don’t want the previous-gen and current-gen versions to look vastly different. We’ll have to wait and see though. Things could change a lot by the time it’s released.
You can’t change anything in 2 months. Ubisoft is not a small indie team with 10 people on board.
I know so but i doubt the downgrade is as big as we think, i still believe what we saw was x360/ps3 footage but wouldnt suprise me if it does.
Your comment is just a bunch of contradictions and it’s hard to make sense out of it. You’re just wrong about the bit about PS4 not being able to do 60FPS 1080p on Infamous SS type looking games.
Remember in 2006 when people thought they couldn’t do Killzone 2 trailer graphics. Well they actually surpassed when Killzone 2 released. And then Uncharted 2 beat that, and then GTA5 beat that, and TLoU beat that. Heck.., even the 360 had several games looking better than the Killzone 2 trailer. 5 years from now there will be games that look way better than Infamous SS and run well.
Just think about it.. it doesn’t make sense that no game can look better than Infamous and run better than it with 5 months in the systems life. Heck the developers probably didn’t even know the final specs of the PS4 when they started developing. Now the developers who are just starting development in 2014 and release a game in 2017, it’s gonna harness the power out of the PS4.
And the downgrade for Watchdogs happened because they didn’t have time to optimize the game since they are working so many versions. No one really cared about Bioshock cause it came out so late in the lifecycle. It wasn’t transcending in the graphics department to begin with.
Got 21 likes. so i guess those people were idiots.
Killzone 2 first trailer was faked.
Consoles dont get more powerfull over time.
in 1998 psx could do medal of honor, pc could half life.
Further into the future pc could do pacific assault and far cry while consoles couldnt.
obviously graphics will get better but going from 30 to 60 fps is downright idiotic.
Last time i checked we didnt star the previous gen at 30 fps and gone to 60 and those consoles were quire powefull now that they can barelly do 1080p why why why WHY you think that they will be able to do 1080p 60 fps in the future?
Nuff said.
unreal engine 4 looked like crap on ps5
deep down got deep downgraded.
shadowfail is 960x1080p and 45 fps on mp.
thief runs like crap
watchdogs got downgraded
the order is almost maxing out ps4 at 30 fps with 1920x800p
and what you say? OH THEY DIDNT OPTIMIZE
Am sorry every time the new consoles are coming, devs make their games on pc and port them on the POWERFULL next gen, consoles. Thats how it always has been, now the consoles are a familiar pc architecture so no you wont see games looking amazing in 5 years from now like with ps3 which was powerfull but a complete mess of architecture.
How much easier could they do it? pc familar architecture, next gen console what else they freaking need?
Long story short ps4 and xbone are weak. End of story.
Usually I don’t get so many agrees, so that means I’m extremely correct. And you have 7 factual errors in your most recent comment.
Killzone 2 fake or not, it still got surpassed by many games. The point is many people like you said it couldn’t been done.
Last gen started out at 30 but dipped below 30 many times. Ever played last gen games that chugged?? I’m sure you did and that means the games would drop to single digits occasionally and drop to the teens often. And the only system that does that right now is the weak X1, not the PS4. PS4 pretty much never drops lower than 30. I’m sure it does but on rare occasions. But Dead Rising drops to the teens like once every minute.
Last gen started out as advertised of 720. But lots of games native resolution was actually lower than 720. For example COD was 640. In fact most games native resolution was below 720.
And 360 was a PC architecture, and dare I say the games still look good. First it started with Oblivion, then Gears 1, then COD4, then Alan Wake, and then GTA5 looked great for sandbox game. I played GTA5 on 360 so I would know. There you have it that’s 5 games where I saw a legitimate increase in graphics. With three of those games looking better than the Killzone 2 trailer. GTA5 looked better in terms of scope, given it’s a sandbox game.
And finally I don’t care about 1080p and anything higher than 50 frames that much. Because when I play the game I don’t really notice it. However I make a big deal about it compared to X1 because it shows the potential and the system prowess of the PS4. Developer can choose to do 720p and 30 frames on PS4, but enhance other areas of the game like graphics.
Long story short you’re comments are almost entirely inaccurate.
What are the games that surpassed killzone 2 exactly? Why you making a bid deal of killzone 2? It wasnt that impressive and the point remains it is STILL a 30 fps game just like killzone 3 and the last of us which actually looks WORSE than killzone 2. Consoles didnt magically get the power to run games on 60 fps.
“Last gen started out at 30 but dipped below 30 many times.”
YET YOU THINK PS4 WILL GO AT 60?
Get real.
Soooo lets see if i got this, i have been doing 1080p since 2008, others since 2007 and i do 60 fps easilly since 2008 on all games, yet ps4 not managing either 1080p or 60 fps and having inferior graphics from a decent mid range pc is “next gen”
?????
X360 did not have x86 it was IBM based “Power pc” architecture.
Oblivion looked better on pc than the “next gen” x360.
Gears 1 didnt nave dynamic shadows, they added that in gears 2, still 30 fps 720p game…..anyway what exactly is your point that graphics will increase? NO SH#T but like i said its still 30 fps you wont go to 60 fps from 30 fps.
“With three of those games looking better than the Killzone 2 trailer”
I dissagee neither of them looks better.
Rockstar as well guirella’s ability to do wonder on consoles isnt universall. The rest look pretty much the same.
“Long story short you’re comments are almost entirely inaccurate.”
Exactly what your comments are since you have no idea wtf you talking about or even wtf you read.
Kid stop trolling re-read my comments and maybe you get the point.
The ony parts of my “comments” you adressed was graphics, when i actually talked about fps going from 30-60 which i am RIGHT and you are a clueless idiot and bioshock infinite BELIEVING i was talking about graphics when in infact i was talking about the fake demo.
Go ahead post more clueless irrelevant drivel that have nothing to do with what i said and attempt to call me wrong without even telling me on what i am wrong or providing any proof as to why i am wrong.
You’re a waste of my time. I’m sorry you can’t enjoy games as much as I do.
Both systems did 1080p and 60 Frames last generation. Okay so they were inferior graphics but so was the PC. PC may have all this power but the majority of the games aren’t transcending in graphics.
It’s just agree to disagree at this point. I go by eye test. When you push your frames above 40 and the resolution about 720p it starts to have marginal returns. Developers would much rather improve on other areas of the game. Now the generation after the current gen there should be more disposable power so then they can crank up the frames and the resolution again. It’s nice to have but it’s not that necessary. I rather have the graphics, physics, textures, lighting. And stop nit picking about shadows. Like that is a huge deal?? I don’t even notice that detail until you said it. Heck I still didn’t even notice it when I’m watching the new 8 minute gameplay preview from Infamous. I was too busy looking at the ground texture and the water.
Okay so I give you a point about the 360. Certainly you are a PC gamer. Isn’t a Power PC like the same thing as a PC?? I can say PS4 has different kind of ram and the X1 has the esram. I wasn’t talking about the 360 version of Oblivion being better than the PC version. Nowhere am I saying the consoles are better than the PC counter part in any respective game. I’m saying Oblvion looked better than any game on the consoles when it came out. As I did the same with those 5 games I mentioned. When that specific game came out it looked better than anything on the 360. Once again that’s my eye test.
And again agree to disagree. Going by my eye test there are many games that look better than the Killzone 2 trailer. There was a direct comparison of the trailer and the actual game and there were parts where the trailer was better and the game was better. We were talking about that in 2008. And the games have looked better since then. And why I keep bringing up the Killzone 2 trailer?? Because people made a big deal. And it’s eerily to your ignorant comment about there’s no game that will look like Infamous and run 1080p and 60 frames. When a developer said it themselves they can do it. I’m not gonna bet against a developer given they have 5 years left in this generation to do it. And I will say it again, I kind of hope they don’t try to achieve 1080p 60 frames, and instead I rather they make the graphics a whole lot better.
Bottom line is your getting worked up about nit picky stuff like frames, resolution, and shadows. I really don’t care as long as I get to see the leap from Oblivion to Last of Us this generation. But there will be 1080p and 60 frame games but they won’t look as good as the best games this generation. Infamous is 5 months into the generation. It will be one of the worser looking games just based on the fact that it’s a early gen game.
“I’m sorry you can’t enjoy games as much as I do.”
WTF HAS THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?
“Both systems did 1080p and 60 Frames last generation.”
I FREAKING FACEPALMED. Then why next gen consoles cant? Last gen all games were 720p upscaled and barely 30 fps, cod was 480p with 60 fps. Only RAGE was 1080p 60 fps due to awful graphics.
Ok there is no explanation you must be a troll or a complete idiot.
“When you push your frames above 40 and the resolution about 720p”
I hope no pc gamer read this or they gonna start bashing ther head on the wall.
“rather have the graphics, physics, textures, lighting.”
OR you could have a more powerfull system and have all thus why i choose pc but F#CK pc the point is next gen consolse are pieces of trash and 1080p 60 fps on infamous is a complete utter joke.
” I don’t even notice that detail until you said it.”
Then wtf are you doing here?
“Isn’t a Power PC like the same thing as a PC??”
No if it was, next gen consoles wouldnt need amd to make them with pc x86 architecture so the developers can make games just like they do on pcs and not having to learn a entirely new architecture from scratch THUS why you wont get as much of a diffirence in the future like it happen with ps3.
Everyone HATED ps3 becasue it was a mess to figure out, everyone likes ps4 and xbo because they are familiar territory THUS why the order devs saying they almost max out ps4 THUS why i am telling you that you cant get 1080p 60 fps on infamous…like EVER because consoles dont have that power, cod? sure but infamous nope.
Hey dude go chill. Stop trying to convince me what I’m seeing isn’t any good. You must be some kind of conservative republican trying to tell me what to do and what to think.
“I’m sorry you can’t enjoy games as much as I do.”
WTF HAS THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?
— Because you are complaining about frames, resolution, and shadows. I’m clearly going to enjoy Infamous. I don’t know about you.
“Both systems did 1080p and 60 Frames last generation.”
I FREAKING FACEPALMED.
Ok there is no explanation you must be a troll or a complete idiot.
—–Several games did it. Riiiiigggeee Racer and Wipeout. A game on 360 did it in early generation too.
“When you push your frames above 40 and the resolution about 720p”
I hope no pc gamer read this or they gonna start bashing ther head on the wall.
—– Sure and let me me go kick the 3DS out of someone’s hand when they say “wow that was cool what I did that game” /s
“rather have the graphics, physics, textures, lighting.”
OR you could have a more powerfull system and have all thus why i
choose pc but F#CK pc the point is next gen consolse are pieces of trash
and 1080p 60 fps on infamous is a complete utter joke.
— I rather have practicality. Sue me for being more easily impressed than you.
” I don’t even notice that detail until you said it.”
Then wtf are you doing here?
—–DId you notice it or did you read the article that said it didn’t have shadows. Because I certainly didn’t you complaing about shadows until someone else noticed it.
Everyone HATED ps3 becasue it was a mess to figure out, everyone likes
ps4 and xbo because they are familiar territory THUS why the order devs
saying they almost max out ps4 THUS why i am telling you that you cant
get 1080p 60 fps on infamous…like EVER because consoles dont have that
power, cod? sure but infamous nope.
—There’s lots of variables that go into deciding whether a game can do the 1080p and 60 frames. As for Infamous ever thought that they started development of this game probably in 2012. Well before the PS4’s final specs were even made. The final speccs changed in E3 2013. Just very short sighted comment to say it absolutely “can’t”. I’m gonna remember you and say told you so 3 or 4 years down the line.
Please STFU
I got tired of your clueles bullcrap yet intelligent trolling.
ahhhhhh admitting that I got a rise out of you.
Oh boy this is fun
Silence muppet, your trolling is ridiculus, seriously go to 4chan where you belong.
Noise noise noise
troll troll troll.
Fastest selling systems out right now.
GTA5
Pokemon
Madden
What exactly are you trying to say? Gaming industry going down?? Even your beloved PC gaming?? Gaming is like the #1 hobby out of anything. I think people watch Movies more, but that’s it.
pc is on the rise now the only thing it is troll some more.
Oh is that why they keep trying to port games to the consoles /s
And as you PC gamers keep complaining that the consoles are pushing down the potential of how PC games look. Which that part is true. However it shows you that the consoles are viable for sales.
The PC developers weren’t doing that in the early 2000s, but they are doing now. Why?? Because it’s viable.
And there’s even more PC centric games coming to consoles. Starcraft, Planetside, and Diablo.
StarCraft on consoles was an April fools joke, PS2 is free to play anyway and the only reason it’s coming to PS4 is because it can play it proper, Diablo3, well wasn’t that special anyway and dumbed down.
There are console only games coming to PC, Dark Souls, Metal Gear Rising, much better than the console version, as usual.
Nothing of what you said made any sense.
No one is trying to port anything
more systems= more sales.
Get a history lesson.
Why buy a console? Because consoles have games to paly on them.
In the old days you couldnt port a game to a console so diffirent studios made the game from scratch that looked nothing like the original.
Eg compare shadowrun on snes and sega genesis or powerslave on pc and segasaturn/playstation.
Consoles were always weaker due to lower price and not getting upgraded.
psx had medal of honor in 2000 and n64 had perfect dark but both of them look like trash compared to half life that came out in 1998.
Its the same thing now, crysis still looks better than any game on consoles, i am not arguing subjective visuals, crysis still has better textures lighting, and physics than any game on ps3/x360.
Inferior hardware means inferior graphics, developers push as much as they can but they are limited on what they can do, thas why ps3/x360 games were mainly scripted cinematic corridor shooters at 30 fps rather big open games with alot of interaction. Instead of focusing on providing big games they made cinematic thus low fps corridor shooters with doors closing behing you in order to have enough resources to load the next leve. It was the opnly way to provide good looking games with limited resources.
Nowadays multiplatform development is easy they make they game and changing the programming calls in each system they dont have to make seperate version thus all devs make their games to as many platforms as possible. The ONLY reason consoles have exlusives is because some small devs make contracts with sony or ms to make games that will be only released on one platform to make people buy a console to play those games. Sony and ms are basicly paying for the development of those games and OWN the rights to the game.
Just like ms owns halo and they can keep milk it without bungie.
Thats it.
Despite that pc has more exlusives than all consoles combined.
Ports are nothing new they always existed. From games like doom ported to consoles to powerslave ported to pc. From deus ex ported to consoles to tomb raider to pc, they are nothing new.
Just like outlast a indie game gets ported to ps4, the same way suda 51 a small japanesse studio is going to port killer is dead on pc.
Long story short pc gaming is stronger than ever and every game makes it to pc at some point.
All of those three games are well established games, safe games without much risk at all, Madden like Fifa comes out every year, just look at what are the top sellers on the PC, FiFA, Sims, Football Manager, all safe titles.
stop typing idiot.
You are cluess you need to read what i said and face the facts.
Ps3 was a messy architecture that took years to figure out ps4 architecture is already familiar, THUS why the order devs say they almost maxing out ps4.
You wont see a radical diffirence in 5 years from now like ps3, ifnact this gen wil be shorter.
Ill say it again you cant go from 30 fps to 60 fps there isnt enough power and there isnt alot to figure out.
Nuff said.
You’re just jealous. Why you gotta downplay the consoles? Because you can’t have fun in it. You want me to stop typing? Why cause it’s bothering you? DOn’t like don’t read it. PS4 still selling like hotcakes whether you like it or not. Console gamers enjoying their systems. That would be me telling a 3DS gamer that they can’t have fun. Stop being ignorant.
And I remember during last generation when a early developer said the same thing. They are maxing out the system. I think it was Ratchet and Clank Tools of Destruction. That was in 2008 when the game came out. That’s just a developer trying to hype it up..
Of course we won’t see the same radical difference. Gosh all you do is state the obvious. You act like I don’t know when I know more than you. As games get more realistic the upward slope approaches the limit.
Yes you can. 30 to 60 was done last generation lol. That’s a fact.
jealous of what? That consoles are weak pieces of trash with no games and the entire industry is going to the gutter?
You dont say? Devs have said they maxing ps3 MULTIPLE TIMES to hype it .
BUT YOU THINK SAYING THAT PS4 WILL BE ABLE TO INFAMOUS ON 1080P 60 FPS ISNT A HYPE LIE?
Come on get your head out of your bum or stop drinking beer while you type all these nonsense.
” Gosh all you do is state the obvious. You act like I don’t know when I
know more than you. As games get more realistic the upward slope
approaches the limit.”
Ok STFU up troll, i saw enough contradictions here. I am done with you.
jealous of what? That consoles are weak pieces of trash with no games and the entire industry is going to the gutter?
— That’s not for you to decide. Sales contradict your comment.
BUT YOU THINK SAYING THAT PS4 WILL BE ABLE TO INFAMOUS ON 1080P 60 FPS ISNT A HYPE LIE?
—-We are talking 5 years down the pipeline. I wouldn’t bet against it.
Come on get your head out of your bum or stop drinking beer while you type all these nonsense.
–alchohol is for kids. Only cool to drink under the age of 21.
” Gosh all you do is state the obvious. You act like I don’t know when I
know more than you. As games get more realistic the upward slope
approaches the limit.”
Ok STFU up troll, i saw enough contradictions here. I am done with you.
— Haha you lose because you can’t even defend anymore. Keep the personal attack coming. THe only thing you were right about was about the X86 bit. I’m not a PC gamer so I wouldn’t know. Everything else you got wrong.
HUR DUR EARLY GEN GAMES GOT 60 FPS HUR DURR
Thats your arguments and the fact remains games suck nowdays and dont sell well
Thee is nothing to say here you are a clueles muppet and you speaking nonsense i bet you were slapped at school by your teacher for your leanrnign difficulities.
Sorry but your obnoxious attacks don’t get your point more clear. It’s still wrong. Yea the 60FPS is a fact. Don’t like it…, well too bad because the world doesn’t revolve around Dakan45.
GTA5 broke records in sales and that happened last year.
mp last gen games are BARELLY 30 fps and the world doesnt revolve around gta 5 you idiotic muppet, one game cant save the industry, ever game outhere has trouble getting sales, so please STFU you clueles muppet.
Games like GTA 5 are rare, it’s one of the most well known games on the planet, even by people who don’t play. GTA will always sell well and have done, that’s pretty obvious duh.
The guy doesn’t even know the XBox360 is PowerPC RISC architecture LoL
He doesnt know anything he thinks ps3/x360 games were 1080p 60 fps.
Xbox360 is not PC architecture, it’s PowerPC Risc like the Apple Macs used to have. The CPU was strong, we know that but that’s not the point here.
don’t know bout anyone else but i bought a ps4 mostly because of graphical upgrade, gameplay wise its still the same old mechanics in game. So people who keep saying its not about graphics are probably last gen owners or are riding ubisoft too hard. If i get the same visuals i could’ve had on last gen why bother gettin a new console.
Well i put it this way as a pc gamer.
I dont have to upgrade. I am not saying i have a powerfull pc but:
Upgrade for what? wolfenstein? 1080p 60fps on xbo.
Evil within? same engine not demanding at all.
Watch dogs looks downgraded and witcher got pushed to 2015.
So it seems to me you upgraded just for the better graphics when there really isnt a new game coming out that is particulary good.
BUT i play games not graphics if a game plays well and has crappy graphics and a game play like crap but with amazing graphics i will go by the first one.
Think about it, are the best games you played graphically impressive?
As a pc gamer this whole “zomg the graphics” thing is getting old.
No shit Sherlock… Thank god we have people like him to point out the obvious.
Ans that’s why consoles suck. People don’t know this and go get the fucking 360 version with 2004 graphics because they don’t want to spend a penny for a proper system. Did they do with the previous launch of console gen, releasing games for 2 gens?
Not only that…they pay more for the games at release than on PC….and the games looks like garbage.
I own a console too (PS3 not 4 yet…)…but going for a console version of a game that it is also for PC…is like being dumb…really really dumb.
I think that the “downgrade” in other platforms is just a “marketing strategy” to not make “old gen” versions looks like the actual garbage they are. There is no reason to not put more higher resolutions or effects in the new consoles or the PC! at all if you can make it.
They milk the cow like there is a single version of the game which can´t have this or that because of the hardware that was “built on” (all games are made in a god damn PC after all using the same graphics engine…)…they like to tell us simple lies.
They just want to sell more in the old gen because more people have them…but for me that is not a reason to dumb down the current gen consoles even if they are not as powerful as a gaming PC. That to me is pure bullshit.
” I barely had one game ever installed without some kind of error message or my graphics card not being supported or something…”
You must be trolling.
Look if your pc is crap, just know that is crap my pc is pretty old and everything works fine.
In any case cant say consoles are simple anymore, install the game, wait for install get error, stuttering on skyrim, log in your acount, authenticate dlcs, online passes, install patches update firmware, consoles are no longr plug and play.
Ps2/xbox were easy but if someone goe to ps4/xbone without any prior knowledge he wont have any idea what to do and consoles these days have issues to. eg bf4 corrupted saves or ps4 error codes or titanfall not loging into mp.
Yeah but on console they do actually patch to fix it I have similar issues with PC. Games inexplicably not opening till you edit some obscure line of code in some obscure file. Having to reinstall stuff that shouldn’t need reinstalling. Some games just having “an error” and shutting with no further explanation or they “encountered a problem” most of the time this stuff can be fixed but the fixes are long winded and fairly technical and i just cba. I know of plenty of others that get iues on pc games here and there. It is just easier to play many of these games on console.
The thing is on pc you can google it and fix it, on consoles you have to hope the patch fixes it if the publisher releases one.
I mean yeah i agree but its not a wall, you can get pass it with a simple google search. On consoles you have to wait for ms or sony to fix it and ofcourse if your game is 30 fps you cant do anything about it or the jaggies.
try steam and origin. auto updates your games etc. painless
I recommend everyone who likes to discuss this subject to watch Jim Sterling view on this. Couldn’t agree more with him, that dude talks sense.
yeah and then he completly ignores how bioshock infinite showed fake e3 demos and gave that game a 10.
That fatass is only taking advantage of the situation on the internet to boost his views.
Far cry 3 and future soldier did the same thing no one cared.
Colonial marines did it, he made an episode but not for bioshock infinite.
Hell halo 2 and hl2 also did it but ofcourse no one noticed that.
So yeah he is using the whole incident to boost his views.
Have to disagree.
So yeah he is using the whole incident to boost his views.
Every site or person who takes view on this fairly recent subject will be accused of the same. If you watch the video he claims that the whole industry needs to stop with the bullshot thing. I know and YOU know all the fuzz about Bioshock:Infinite FC3 and others, so using half dozen of this to dismiss his opinion “just because” is kinda lame, sorry.
He ignores bioshock infinite because it came out good and bashes this game while we dont know if its gonna be like that, atlaest colonial marines had some ground because the game was out.
Sorry i cant agree on that he is using that to boost his views.
He didn’t even bash the game, he bashed the Ubisoft (or the whole industry) attitude. Watch Dogs is the subject in discussion right now. Is he boosting his views discussing this? Yes. As is John here on DSO, as is Cliff trying to stay relevant, as is any site who post some news on this. The question is, who’s trying to bring some clarification on the matter.
HL2 didn’t do it
yeah it did, dont you remember that oicw shooting tripods and that fake attack level that Alyx throws a machinegun to Gordoon, or running away from the combine in Ravenholm and putting furnitare in the door and blowing up a water tower with a grenade and ofcourse the water monster tentacle grabbing the combine trooper, Just type Early hl2 trailers.
Yes ,i remember the oicw ,but the other stuff were because it was mainly a tech demo ,and the final version was still years ahead of that time ,compare gta SA to hl2 and tell me which one looks better
the game supposed to be released in 2003 but a hacker stole all of their files (hes from Germany)so they had to do it all over again .
cliff is being willfully ignorant. it’s blatantly obvious that the visuals have bee downgraded as a result of the under-powered hardware in the CURRENT (“next-gen”) console generation. i’d wager that the last gen systems have very little to do with it. sure, compromises and short cuts have to be made with cross-gen games, but people shouldn’t forget that these so called “next-gen” systems are rocking low-end and low-mid end gpu’s from two years ago in combination with pathetically weak CPU’s….they’re not exactly monster machines. the unfortunate fact remains that PC gamers will continue to suffer from graphical stagnation as a result, just like we did last gen. consoles are the bane of graphical advancements.
Exactly. Just got done explaining to a fellow that shader-driven games became prominent towards the end of the last gen due to how little they take to render compared to streaming in/ out unique, hand-made textures. Because games started using shaders more, Nvidia and AMD started optimizing their graphics cards’ architecture to become ‘shader machines.’ Then, when companies start actually using their super-talented artists again to create uniquely textured objects (like in Titanfall) it brings modern graphics cards to their knees.
We should have had graphics cards with 8 gigs of VRAM by now and 2 to 4k textures on every surface – games would look photo-real. I have 2 gigs in my system and it’s woefully inadequate for newer games, and my card came out less than two years ago and was as expensive as an entire ‘next-gen’ console.
I guess you can blame Naughty Dog – they’re the ones that worked with Sony to finalize the specs on PS4. Not sure what the excuse is for the XB1.
ND confirmed that PS4 only uses 6GBs of RAM(minimum req for WD btw xD) and 6 cores,rest of it is reserved for OS.They are praising it like it is some advance tech from the future xD
I believe that is split between system and VRAM, too. I don’t think PS4 is 64bit, is it?
it is
With that amount of memory to address it has to be 64bit, don’t think PAE would cut it either.
Its the fact that the ram is unified between the cpu and gpu (SoC). This is the direction PC’s will head in the near future to allow memory to be distributed where its needed most quickly. Better than having 2 separate pools of ram.
Just because developers want it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. You can only get away with one pool of GDDR5 on the PS4 because the latency doesn’t factor much, it matters a lot on a PC desktop hence why DDR is better and one reason why it won over Rambus
Microsoft used DDR3 on the Xbox One because of the same issue, being more media orientated where latency matters.
Yeah about 5 gb for games both vram and cpu, i told those consoletards browser and capture features are not running on magic, they kept going on ps3 lite OS and how ps4 is not a pc.
Pfff we were correct, xbone is low end ps4 is midrange at best, already hitting walls the cpu speed is infact 1.6ghz and only 3-4 gb is used for graphics.
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However, there is a major problem when it comes to price. In order to increase the power of a console the price of the components quickly skyrocket. My computer can play any modern game on High or Very High graphical settings at close to 60fps, but I have some $1400 worth of components just in my case. That’s not including my monitor, which for gamers on consoles is a lot more than the $300 I spent.
Maybe both systems are about the same, considering how console gamers buy $1200 LCD TV’s for their living room,then hook up $600 worth of console to it ($500+60/ game+tax?).
Maybe the price of LCD TV’s is limiting how much consolites have to spend, and therefore Microsoft and Sony need to stay under that specific price-point? Why are TV’s 3 or 4x times as expensive as a computer monitor?
Yep, Big LCD TV, sound system and then console user complain about PC costs LoL.
I know, my mate has done the same thing with his big LCD TV and sound system which probably cost about the same as a top spec PC.
If you want to play PC games at 1600p, on a good monitor, you’re not going really far, with your 300 bucks.
And about LCDs, you pay for what you get.
Today, you can buy a 50″ TV for 300-400 bucks, if you want. If you want great 3d, and tons of tools for calibrating images, and many other options, you can pay 1500-3000$. If you want.
If I decided to play games on PC, I would want the best I can get. Starting by a good 1600p monitor, it’s already the price of 2 ps4… and don’t tell me about eBay 350$ no-name monitors.
why the helll you need a 50″ tv when on a 22″ pc monitor you can actually see more detail due to sitting close and next gen consoles being weak pieces of trash?
Why do you need a 1600p monitor anyway? most games arent even 1080p on ps4/xbone. Typical console games thiking the size of the screen somehow improves the graphics that their cosnole is rendering on.
Not to mention fps, its not like you gona get 120hz games on ps4 so tell me again why you will spend that much money on a tv when you dont get nor superior resolution nor better graphics or framerate.
As for 3d? We saw what a big joke 3d was on ps3, pc has actual 3d that works ant it also has oculus rift i find you very missinformed as usual.
They probably went with AMD for cheap cost, their CPUs are behind Intel in the PC market and have been since Intel released to Core2 architecture, hence the CPU part is weak.
They went with AMD, because their hybrid processors are much advanced than Intel, and this is what matters for the consoles or any other portable devices.
They went with nivida first, atleast sony, they got turned down by nvidia. They said the margins didnt worth it.
Amd finacials are bad they needed the deal, ironicly amd makes more per ps4 than sony. Or it could be the x86 architecture and the apu in any case next gen cosnoles are weak trashboxes.
Nvidia doesn’t make the desktop CPU’s, while Intel doesn’t have a good hybrid processors. If Sony made ??a deal with Intel, PS4 would be even worse.
i know but i am saying sony went ot nvidia first, nvidia turned them down.
The new consoles don’t have desktop CPUs, they’re mobile/laptop CPUs.
Yep, I know.
Or they had no other choice and the consoles turned out to be weak. Sony with their financial trouble picked the cheaper option, having Intel and NVIDIA would have been the strong more expensive option, Microsoft spend too much on Kinect.
You can’t put a dedicated video card in a console, because of the price. Remember, PS4 costs only 400$. It’s not that Sony can’t make it more expensive, they just don’t need/want to do it. It’s supposed to be cheap and, well, weak.
Intel simply couldn’t offer anything. Their CPUs are mainly for desktop users. While they are pretty powerful and expensive, their integrated GPUs don’t have a chance against much cheaper AMD solutions. You can search for benchmarks if you want to, there is nothing new in my words.
As far as I know, integrated PS4 GPU is somewhere around GTX 660 – GTX 660 Ti, while top Core i7 integrated GPU is worse than GT 440.
Don’t be silly, I never suggested you run a dedicated video card in a console LOL, you can use a GPU and CPU separate on the board. Any of the big players can produce something powerful if they needed to and if Microsoft and Sony paid them enough.
It’s simply a matter of price, NVIDIA have a strong GPU for tablets as well. AMD got a cheap deal as cheap as AMD hardware are anyway.
I never said that you suggested to use dedicated video card. I’m saying that if you want more GPU performance than PS4 already have, you need a dedicated video card, and it will raise the cost.
And why the hell Sony needs to pay more if they already got the best deal? I doubt you will get something more powerful for 400$ right now, even if it was made by divine powers itself.
Look, it’s not a “video card” it’s just a GPU soldered on the mainboard instead of a combined CPU/GPU like an APU is. Console users would pay more, they’ve done it in the past and will do it again.
I have a strong feeling that you don’t even know what you talking about. All you can do is to say how bad AMD is.
If you don’t listen, then I will not bother myself to answer you anymore.
You’re the one how can’t get it into your head mate, I’m saying consoles don’t have to use an APU, they can use a CPU and GPU separate soldiered onto the board. Also, yes AMD’s CPU performance is bad compared to Intel these days, the fact that there APU is good is due to Intel not really investing into that much but ‘if asked’ they could make a good and fast custom APU for a console and actually learn by it, NVIDIA did with their mobile GPU, it’s probably why Maxwell is so power efficient.
sony revealed ps4 speed, its 1.6ghz….lolz
At this point we dont know, the requirments of the pc version are pretty high, crysis 3 on consoles runs unde the lowest settings.
We dont know wherever what we saw will be the pc version, infact ubi said the pc and ps4 version will look like the E3, we might be going crazy about nothing.
i just want gears of war 2 on pc cliff…. you never ported it…. 3 sucked anyways, but gow2 online is still the best multiplayer game ever.
you understand that he has nothing to do with it? its MS who pays shit ton for xbox exclusivity. i can’t see why such hate to this guy either , hes just right about this
Actually I remember Cliff saying that Gears 2 wont ever come to PC because PC gamers are all whiney pirates. He also blamed piracy for low sales of Gears1 on PC, like it had nothing to do with GFWL, which was trying to force subscription based multiplayer on PC at the time.
hmm , then he really is a shady pos? but that doesn’t change the fact that MS was paying gow exclusive on xbox , it would have came on pc , regardless of what this guy thinks
yeah wtf you ask us to pay for mp and then you label us as pirates for not buying your mediocre overhype game?
Thats a load of crap the reasl reason is the same as halo and fable and alan wake not coming to pc, ms wanted to make them xbox exlusives.
You cant find gears of war on pc, its taken out of the market, that spakes volumues on what was up with that rather scapegoating piracy.
Also UT3 sold more on pc than x360 and ps3 combined, he still blamed piracy for low sales… WHY WOULD ANYONE PIRATE A MP GAME?
no one would play that on pc anyway (mp i mean)
Cliff Bleszinski is the true cancer of gaming. What a sad pathetic pos that cant get any attention unless he is out provocation.
Clarify on the cancer part please, ya douche!
NO. Lets not feed that troll.
But the troll… Was you? Multiple personality disorder much?
Either that or you have multiple accounts and logged in as the wrong one?
The troll is that stupid Cliff Bleszinski, lets NOT feed it anymore.
I still remember what he used to say about PC.
Sad but True -> they should build for N-G only
No excuses, fat lazy devs and quick-money thirsty publisher.
It will be bargain bin or PS+ for me.
If you don’t even have a junior designer to make a better texture/3d model of a tree, for next gen systems, instead of using the same last gen x/y texture, among thousands other things, then, for sure, you don’t deserve our money. But don’t complain and cry, in 6 months, because watch dogs only sold 2 or 3 million units, instead of the +10-15 million of that excel forecasts sheet.
Go back to work, lazy cliff.shame on you.
that is the biggest load of random nonsense i ever read, do you even have any idea what you are talking about?
Destiny is a current gen and next gen games and looks ancient.
Wolfenstein is unimpressive it will run 1080p 60 fps on xbone.
Evil within is graphically unimpressive
Crossgen games are nothing new, ubisoft insits that the pc and ps4 version will look as good as the E3 demos and no compromises were made.
Gameplay>graphics.
If gameplay is more important that graphics you say, why do you constantly stress how “shit” the new consoles are, from a hardware standpoint?
Have you noticed how games today focus on having a linear corridor of scripts an be cinematic experiances?
They do that because having large maps needs more resources same goes for interaction, physics and fast paced skillfull gameplay.
Its easier to just have a linear scripted cinematic game at 30 fps with doors locking behind you than large maps open ended gamepaly with object physics to be used on gameplay and fast paced 60 fps gameplay.
So more developers will focus on that just like this gen.
Then again the better the graphics the more expensive the game and more times it takes so its not necessary bad consoles are weak, game budgets are so high these days so they make all games play alike. i they make games cheaper to make without pushing for graphics thats a good thing.
But it seems to me that the AAA industry will typical go for graphics eg check the order scripted 30 fps game with “seamless transition between cutscenes and gameplay” thats like saying the game is scritped to hell in order to cycle resources with doors closing behind you and slow paced “cinematic” gameplay.
But the biggest problem is people think are getting a “next gen’ console when they infact getting a budget pc. There is also deminishing returns on graphics but thats a whole diffirent story.
Ubisoft never said the new gen versions will approach the E3 demo. They just said the new gen versions will “look close to the PC” version and that the PC version will look close to the E3 demo. But we already know Ubisoft are complete liars and they always downgrade their games dramatically from their E3 showings.
i read the pc version will look better than e3 2012, for all we know this downgrade never happend and you getting worked up for x360/ps3 footage.
Yes Cliff…downgraded foliage really bothers me in a game set in the middle of Chicago…
Like Chicago doesn’t have parks, patches of woods or trees anywhere, *facepalm*. And it’s not just “the middle of Chicago”, it’s an entire city. What, do you think there’s an invisible wall separating the middle of the city from the suburbs and scenic outskirts? Think, McFly, think…
Wow, next you’ll think I was actually expecting a response from Cliffy B himself! My point was that it’s less important that in a game like Far Cry 3 where you’re surrounded by plantlife.
It’s cool bro, sorry for calling you “McFly”..
Well i lowered my standards for bioshock i lowered them again when i saw that bioshock infinite was more linear and scripted in e3 but it looked well scripted like half life it looks interesting the actual game we got was a repettive arena gunfight with grinding, the enviroment and the scripted events from e3 didnt make it into the game.
There is an article on polygon the development of the game was a mess, they scrapped the game multiple times over mainly because ken wanted to change the game, i reallized its gonna be a generic game when i heard about the boxart having to appeal to fratboys.
Hey if watchdogs plays well, thats all i need, its not like there is gta v on pc right now, ubisoft could use that to their advantage to get pc sales and estalbish a new open world game. They expect 5 milion sales anyway.
However something tells me they gonna pull another cred/far cry 3 gameplay ripoff and the actual game wont be anywhere near as good e3, graphcis and gameplay.
Wtf happen to goo games?
i dont think that the fc 3 case will repeat in the future ,mostly because their last games looke better or same at least ,like blacklist or ac4 (even though this one was bad optimized)
and gta V on pc should be released before December but i totally lost the hype for it
now ¿you wanted to know what happened to good games? CASUAL GAMERS thats what happened ,and the massive sales of mw1 and 2 didn’t help ,now every single game uses Health regen ,it doesnt make any sense in almost all of them but in someones it also doesn’t fit with the game ,like the metro saga ,it would have been SOOO MUCH BETTER without Health Regeneration
console gaming destroyed the passion…now is all about the money
blacklist had some fake trailers not to graphics but gameplay.
I find it funny they keep trying to copy cod because everything that isnt cod sells like crap.
I mean look at this gta v 30 million sales, sleeping dogs 1.5 million sales.
Cod and assasin creed sell well, bf too but everything else struggles to get 3 million sales.
They keep thinking its because people dont want to play other games but all they doing is proving and inferior clone of those games without having the name and trademark.
They dont try to be diffirent like say shadow warrior.
Then use arguments like “singleplayer is dying no one plays singleplayer” well thats because they killed singleplayer by making crappy games. Its their fault not the gamer’s fault, its not suprising people still play old games from the 90s but no one plays games from 2005-2012.
Every singlepalyer game with alot of content does sell though but they keep ignoring that to make more samey games. I dont get it, its not like anyone plays assasin creed mp or blacklist mp or dead space mp.
i still play HL1 and 2 ,bioshock 1,The witcher 1 and 2 and i still think that they’re awesome ,Half-Life feels even more awesome each time that i play it ,i think that Cyberpunk 2077 and Half-Life 3 will save the industry ,no dlc’s ,good campaign ,awesome and epic storyline and a mp that is not pay2win
the witcher 3 is on the list as well ,W3 and Cyberpunk 2077 won’t feature MP
every console game looks like total shit to PC gamers
lol
Bleszinski also claimed that mitigation of that risk is then what causes people to not get the next gen consoles, as most publishers are like“Wait we want to be next gen…kinda…not really…maybe…oh and on the Wii U for some reason too”.
I guess this means he doesn’t like Wii U.
Wii U doesn’t handle games with lots of physics very well, because of its very weak, Wii-based CPU. I don’t blame Cliffy for staying far away from it…
And you know this cuz of videos you’ve seen or cuz you’re an actual dev that’s made games? Try to think about that VERY thoroughly before you sound like an idiot, again. I don’t blame you for your ignorance. Typical of Nintendo haters who can’t handle the truth. Besides, he doesn’t want to work on ANY console at all, and only PC, so if you have a point, make it already. Otherwise, STFU.
It sounds like you’ve been out of the loop for a while, so I’ll get you up-to-date regarding the current gen consoles. The Wii U has a measly 3-core 1.25 Ghz CPU, and a lame 4xxx series Radeon GPU. The Xbone/PS4 have 8-core 1.75 Ghz CPU’s, with a much more capable 7xxx series Radeon GPU with GCN. The Wii U can barely keep up with an 8 year old Xbox360/PS3, and in some ways it’s actually worse. The CPU in the 360/PS3 absolutely smokes the Wii U. I’ll let you in on a little secret: The Wii U version of Watch Dogs will probably be cancelled. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
The Wii U isn’t weak. It just puts efficiency over power unlike its rivals. Nobody, no dev, outside of Nintendo, knows everything the system can do so saying its under-powered is a shortsighted judgement. Last gen consoles killing the Wii U is a big fat joke that will die off once people see what Nintendo has at E3. Here’s a little secret for you:Watch Dogs was being developed WAY before Wii U or the other next gen consoles were even introduced so your assessment is unfair. Nintendo is notorious for not including third party devs in the process of making a new console, so you can’t blame them if they do things their way and don’t spoil third party devs to let them have all the control while Nintendo loses monopoly on their own console. Business is business, and good business in this case. If Wii U version is cancelled, it will be because they will regret not having it developed in house at Montreal and not including it from the get go in development when they introduced PS4 and Xbox One into the pipeline at their own studio to have equal optimization, and not be Nintendo’s fault. I highly doubt it will come to that though. E3 will surely shed some more light on the subject and make haters like you bawl for being so impudent about the facts. Don’t say I didn’t warn you, and have you crying saying I told you so. It’s an inevitability; you can’t deny it. Remind me again: who was it that’s been out of the loop for awhile and isn’t up to date? I’ve been following everything ever since Wii U was first introduced so don’t pull this crap on me. I’ll let you get back to that; but since you won’t bother responding and instead will rant about how my response makes me look more like a fan boy than you initially assumed me to be, don’t even bother. Goodbye.
Why would Nintendo “lose Monopoly” on the Wii U, if they gave 3rd party developers access to all the necessary tools for development? Enlighten me, please. And the Wii U version was announced alongside all the other console versions, so your argument is invalid regarding Watch Dog’s probable cancellation. The only reason it will be cancelled is because Ubisoft hates the Wii U’s slow CPU, they’ve even admitted it’s “crap”.
Think about it: Their software is currently their only main driving force for Wii U at the moment, with sales picking up slowly as we speak. If they had more third party devs working on it, it would potentially become their console with their games getting all the revenue and Nintendo losing money as their biggest fears come to life and their software sales dry out with other games from other companies taking the spotlight. That’s worse case scenario. And Nintendo are working on getting tools for them to use. Currently, the most recent effort they’ve made in recent memory is making a Wii U specific Untiy 4 Engine so that devs can have an easier time making games, and before that they initiated Nintendo Web Framework. It’s safe to say they ARE actually doing something about, and most likely won’t stop there. Also, the only good thing I can see out of this is that 3rd parties arrive on the platform and Nintendo can still maintain their first party software sales without much interruption, as they need just as much revenue from software as they need from their hardware to remain intact. This I think is why Nintendo’s a bit hesitant to just start giving into demands at the moment. But that’s just me; surely they’re aware of all that goes on in the industry and that’s why they’re being very cautious right now instead of reaching out for the goal.
You have a couple good points, there. But none of this changes the fact that the Wii U’s CPU is actually based on Gamecube Power-PC tech, circa 1999/2000. It just brings down any potential the console had. Expect Watch Dogs and Project CARS to be cancelled on Wii U. I’m calling it now…
First of all, Power-PC was first introduced in 1992, and second, Power-PC is 32 bit and 64 bit. GameCube’s Gekko was 32 bit. I highly doubt Nintendo is still basing it on GameCube’s version, especially since they’re working in HD now. If anything, they either heavily modified to support HD games or (the more likely case) they chose a completely new version of PowerPC that supports backwards compatibility with Wii games and still delivers HD games at a modern standard. Those won’t be cancelled. I know it.
If they are cancelled, I will come back here and say I told you so. If they aren’t cancelled, I’ll come back here and apologize.
you’ve got yourself a deal-I’ll be waiting.
I don’t agree. Because people want more than just Mario , Donkey Kong and Zelda on their game console. Nintendo wouldn’t intentionally withhold 3rd parties from taking full advantage of the little bit of power Wii U has. Like I said before, good luck waiting for Watch Dogs and Project CARS on the Wii U. In all likelihood they’ll both be cancelled on that platform because of the CPU’s inferiority. The physics on both games are very CPU intensive.
Well yeah, anybody, including Nintendo gamers, want something new in any form. I never said Nintendo’s intentionally making it difficult for 3rd party to hop on, it’s that 3rd parties will only work with you if you do things their way, and Nintendo doesn’t work like that, so instead they’ve leveraged their weight by investing in indies and strolling by like that. I mean if indies are enjoying working with Wii U, that should be a clear sign to 3rd parties that they’re missing out by not including it in their development plans. yup, I’ll be waiting because I KNOW they’ll come without a doubt. Slightly Mad Studios, who are making Project CARS, even said themselves they’re pulling off tricks with the Wii U. Wait until they blow you away with their thunder.
We shall see, Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3, we shall see 😉
Indeed-we will meet again, in time 🙂
looks like Project CARS for Wii U is here to stay http://playeressence.com/project-cars-poll-shows-that-over-half-of-the-people-voting-are-getting-the-wii-u-version/
I’m looking forward to games like The Order:1886, The Witcher 3, The Division, Uncharted, and Batman Arkham Knight precisely because they are next gen and/or pc focused with no concessions made to get them to run on ps3/360.
so basicly graphics whoring rather gameplay caring?
Said the whore.
No relevance, try harder sony f@g.
I don’t always play videogames, but when I do, I prefer playstation. Stay angry my friends.
Signed, The Most Interesting Man in the World.
Oh i get it, so you dont play alot of games but when you do its on playstation.
The rest of the time you just troll on the interent.
ps
infamous 1
2.73m
infamous 2
1.65m
resistance 3
1.36m
god of war ascencion
1.75m
last of us
4.36m
and halo 4 has 8.96m
Yes i know gears of war judgement sold like crap but by the looks of it, the only ones care abou ps3 exlusives are sony fanboys.
Uhhh…Firstly, Sony gamers have more choice and more variety in the games they choose to purchase, hence the sales are spread around a wide variety of games and game types. Microsoft has Halo and Gears, that’s about it, so of course they sell, what else are gamers on 360 going to play? Second, your numbers have no validity as The Last of Us just passed 6 million in sales, as noted by the developer, so, there’s that. 3rd, you pick a random assortment of games that sold ok, but don’t mention sony’s better selling franchises like Gran Turismo, Uncharted, or God of War. I could play that game with Microsoft games as well, and mention some of their titles that didn’t sell gangbusters, but it’s a moot point. 4th, tell me, what Microsoft first party studio has produced a goty winner, even a goty contender? Exactly. Case closed.
How exactly they got more choice?
ps has resistance ms has halo, ps has uncharted ms has gears of war, ps has last of us, ms has alan wake, ps has god of war, ms has fable, ps has infamou ms has cradkdown and so on.
I know uncharted has 6 million sales, i dont know about the last of us, vghcharts says 4.36 and yes it is innacurate, i can see the last of us selling 5 but 6? That must be revealed in the last weeks.
The last god of war sold like crap and its now a dead franchise.
Define Goty, many sites have given goties to gears of war and fable 2, i think you are grasping on straws here.
If you want goty’s play multiplats. So much for those “amazing” sony exlusive when no one is buying them. I always wonder why they keep making killzone games, propably cause they stuck with the license and they dont know wtf to do with it.
You’re stuggling dude…try the wiki pages for Sony and Microsoft first party developers. Then have a good cry while the rest of us have a good laugh. Nighty night chuckles.
Who exactly you reffering to?
God of war studio santa monica is getging layoffs and the last god of war failed.
Reistance 3 flopped and so did fuse, so insomniac went to xbox one.
Quantic dream is a joke.
Killzone is just graphics. So what exactly you reffering to? Naughty dog who has yet to fail?
Ill ask again where exactly you are looking for “goty”
Because everyoen can declare goty eg two worlds a HORRIBLE game has a goty edition, who has to giv the goty? internet sites? Am sure many xbox games got goty, eg gamespot gave the last got to a 3ds zelda game, sorry fanboy its not just sony that gets goty.
Now go get yorself some butthurt cream you delusional sony dck licker.
NO ONE CARES about sony exlusives only you dumb fanboys.
Failed again.
“Am sure many xbox games got goty”…case closed, folks. There is no arguing with a pure and true idiot.
I really liked how you didnt provide any facts because you know you are wrong.
Typical sonyfantard oblivious to the truth trying to hide behind the lies.
Face it idiot you are wrong.
Because you didn’t mention Quantum Break, Halo 5, or Project Spark I’ll just assume you’re a PS-Pleb with no taste whatsoever.
You may assume whatever you wish. Your assumptions are irrelevant.
And we can all assume from your reply you’re an xbot drone who has no clue what a good game is, as you’ve steadily become accustomed to the mediocrity Microsoft has been feeding you for some time now.
“who has no clue what a good game is”
Where is the clue that the order will actually be any good?
The fact i am on a pc site should give you a clue that i am a pc gamer ant not a “xbot” but thats your typical sonytard, if you dont lick sony’s dck along with em you are a “xbot”
anyway:
infamous 1
2.73m
infamous 2
1.65m
resistance 3
1.36m
god of war ascencion
1.75m
last of us
4.36m
and halo 4 has 8.96m
Yes i know gears of war judgement sold like crap but by the looks of it, the only ones care abou ps3 exlusives are sony fanboys.
Pretty much, funny how console games pick those 2-3 exlusives they got and know nothing about and hype them, we hardly no anything about the order but hey itsa exlusive.
I love CliffyB. Abandons PC gaming for years. Decries it as rife with piracy and impossible to profit off of. Any failure by Epic, by him, has to be because of piracy. It can’t be that the game just didn’t succeed.
Tries to throw PC gaming under the bus by saying it’s dying and locks his games to Microsoft’s console for years.
Now he complains about consoles because suddenly PC gaming is surging while consoles are plateauing. The writing is on the wall and he comes running back to the old wife now that his console mistress is getting a little saggy.
Heh. CliffyB. Why does anyone care what he thinks? He’s an opportunistic follower who runs after the mob rather than lead the way.
Peter Molyneux and CliffyB have a special spot reserved in hell for traitors and mutineers. Look how “well” Molyneux’s Kickstarter did. Microsoft built the Xbox on the back of PC game developers and these two in particular sold PC gaming out.
So yeah, CliffyB can make the greatest PC game in the world, it won’t make any difference.
I couldn’t have written what you said any better! Completely agree and bravo!
That’s dumb. I doubt making the game for old consoles did anything to the next gen versions. Probably different people working on them.
I really wish someone would put some duct tape over this shill’s mouth and send him back under the rock he crawled out from under. The guy is a joke, a self promoting mouth piece and a deluded Microsoft fanboy, which makes since as he’s financially in their back pocket. This guy is so irrelevant yet he try so hard to stay in the public eye. He’s a blight on gaming and needs to fade away quietly.
all the gaming articles are using the phrase “mind you” all the sudden. You all need to find a new phrase, you’re not my mom.
LOL you idiots claiming the e3 vid was fake and the game is downgraded. It’s called a PC you morons. Did you seriously believe the console versions were going to look like the footage they had shown which was always PC? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAJHUAHAHAAHahha
He is probably right
Cliff offered an opinion whether that represents an accurate assessment or not isn’t relevant. I wonder how much it matters? Are you still going to buy the game? If yes, then it doesn’t matter because you have still spent your money on there game.
i agree, foliage is done nearly the same way as in 98, maybe except for speed tree but that just makes the trees seem too similar. I really want some kind of wery detailed procedural vegetation.
if it looks shit on ps4 i can only imagine how ugly its gonna look like on xbox 720
And every game i can see for the future on ps4/xbox1 is also on ps3/360 so expect this trend to stay for a few years while WiiU gets exclusive 3rd party games and amazing 1st party games basically wiiu will have quality over quantity unlike the other 2 also Metacritic sort of tells you WiiU has the best versions of every game……