AMD’s senior vice president and chief architect, Raja Koduri, has officially announced the Radeon RX480. The AMD Radeon RX480 will be priced at $199 and will be available on June 29th, will sport over 5TFLOPS, features 36 CUs, offers 256GB/sec memory bandwidth, will come in two models (4GB and 8GB) and will be at 150W TDP.
Polaris was based on the idea to make VR affordable to a lot of gamers.
What’s also interesting is that given this card’s price, PC gamers can get a Crossfire system (2XRadeon RX480) that will cost them less than a system with NVIDIA’s GTX1080, that will offer better performance. Of course we’re talking about a multi-GPU versus a single-GPU system here, meaning that in a lot of cases teh single-GPU system will perform better (in case an engine lacks support for multi-GPUs). However, it’s really amazing that two Radeon RX480 are around $250 cheaper than NVIDIA’s GPU and perform better in such extreme scenarios like the DX12 version of Ashes of the Singularity. Yeap, NVIDIA made a big mistake there with the ridiculous price for the GTX1080.
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Given this news, I expect a reasonable and respectful discussion here on the comment section.
I also expect that a stranger stop me on the street and give me loads of money.
And that my @rse sprout wings and fly me into space.
what a coincidence, that just happened to me like 10 minutes ago! and let me tell you, wings sprouting off @55, is no fun ; )
what did i say about dx12 amd async compute this is great news:)
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you just mad cause i was right..lmao
Sure honey, whatever makes you happy.
here come your normal trolling now
Oh c’mon sweetie, don’t be mad.
im used to your troling:)
I love you too my dear <3
Have you seen how bad multi GPU support is currently????
I abandoned it with my 690 as saw this coming and I personally would not go back yet.
690 was a horrible supporter of proper scaling. I have never been a fan of “dual single card” solutions due to the issues they are plagued with from the beginning.
Multi-GPU is in a new world today and should be adopted as much if not more than previously done. Now the hardware makers are pushing it on the developers instead of it being a 50/50 street. More or less telling the software developers to make a choice right out of the gate. Every developer should strive to make the most out of their software…..”supporting the most with giving the most” is what I say… A sure fire way to get my money.
You are talikng about a dual card setup vs a single card. And it is barly faster then the 1080. I also would bet that after OCing the 1080 it woyld be faster then the 480×2 setup. And that is ONE game. I highly doubt that 2 480s in CF will be faster in other games anyway. CF sucks regardless. It has way more microstutter then SLI and with a single card microstutter isn’t even an issue. When you consider that two 480s equal 10TF and barely beats a 1080 that is pushing 8TF in an async title then it really doesn’t look as good as you would have thought. In other words like i said earlier… if you overclick the 1080 to push an equal 10TeraFLOPS it beats the dual 480s easily. And i also highly doubt that the 480 will be a good overclocker (AMD never is…) so my guess is that overclocking won’t help the 480 maintain its tiny lead.
But for the cheaper pricetag. i think its worth it
Don’t forget about that horrendous frame pacing issue and the….st…st……sttttt….stuttering it causes in game.
Always like to see the nice continuous flat line from Nvidia. Ive come to expect to see nothing but tall jumping red lines all over the graph from AMD indicating some serious issues going on behind the scenes….
not you again
You are not Yahtzee
Oh dear, what a tragedy.
You too….?!?
I really don’t like their nvidia and AMD targeting VR performance I mean really who is going to buy vr with a 480 I would really prefer if they focused on game performance and not vr performance. Also as for those benchmarks after AMD saying the fury x was getting better performance in dx11 then the titan X I don’t really trust AMD or Nvidia’s benchmark’s.
As more adoption takes place, prices will come down. New players will come into the VR market, and/or old models will be replaced by new and the old will hit the secondary market. So basically, a lot more people than would have been able to adopt it as it stands today.
Ya sure but wound’t you prefer they have better dx12/Vulkan support then better vr support on their cards?
I prefer DX12/Vulkan support over any VR bshit
Agreed, never trust manufacturer’s claims, especially gpu’s ones
Give me the r9 nano for cheap and I’ll take that over the 480 any day!
I don’t like the idea of dual gpus…not all games support it properly and at the end of the day it consumes a lot more power, not to mention the bulk factor.
Worse thing is more and more newer rendering technique has issue with how multi gpu work (AFR). Dx12 brings is multi gpu support to the API itself but looking at thise DX12 tittle how many actually have interest with multi gpu?
This is pretty serious.. i wonder if Nvidia will do something about it (price drop? please? :D)
I think not. They’re in a bad spot for the price part. If they drop the price, either they send discount or refunds to people who already bought the 1080 (alot of people) or they do not send anything to 1rst day buyers and send them the finger. Either way, nvidia won’t do it, they know they have the performance crown (single gpu, i need to specify now, because you know hvd.. lol). They will milk us, but buddy, i have mucho mucho milk to give for a gpu so, some don’t care about the price, only the performances and some others prefer price to performance ratio. In the end i also hope for a price drop but that would be dreaming.
Maybe NVIDIA can drop a GTX1060 4GB(6GB maybe?) in at $250, we are not sure if the $200 480 is 4GB or 8GB yet. If NVIDIA don’t want to start losing marketshare they need to drop a bomb with he 1060 but knowing NVIDIA and price, I doubt it but you never know.
Nvidia still dominates the market. Until they’re dropped down to ~60%, they will never stop letting AMD undercut them, unfortunately.
On the bright side, AMD’s “minor” stake in the market allows these awesome prices, so yeah 😀
I know a few people that will surely go to the Red team! 🙂
I will always prefer Nvidia tho( not always, we never know) cuz i like everything about them. ShadowPlay is awesome too.
AMD officialy leaving high end cards market! …yep, now im interested…
Just hoping a EVGA model…
goVEGAN
AMD is releasing high-end cards next year with Vega.
EVGA is an Nvidia-exclusive partner.
I know we can always dream! haha
Well, I’m personally a Sapphire faithful when getting an AMD card so I don’t miss EVGA there haha.
haha
Is Sapphire good? I avoid that brand coz they seem to make cheap quality like Inno3D coz their pricing is a bit on the cheaper side
I don’t know how do you get that impression but yes, they are good. In fact, you can see that their cards are usually the better performers of AMD’s partners. I’d recomend looking up for reviews of their cards but as user of one, they are awesome (and quite silent).
October is slated for Vega
Is that even confirmed?
I’m pretty sure I heard it was due next year. October was speculation but it would be awesome if they release them then.
Sounds like neither of us actually know
Just imagine how good Vega will be. I am expecting 3x the performance and 3x the price of the RX 480.
Teh price
kkkiiidddd what up
You will HAVE IT 100%
Save and gain + go E-bay and sell you’r old stuff.
It’s not much 199USD for 1440p Gameplay.
Oh i like it already, didn’t meant it in a bad way.
where you ar WrATH!!!!!! $400 vs your $600 for gtx 1080 and $380 gtx 1070….amd wins again.
time for me to cross fire.
Time for you to jump off a bridge, fking troll
How can he jump off the bridge if he sits under it?
Troll in internet sense doesn’t mean the monster under the bridge. It’s a form of boat fishing, you cast out a wide net and see what you catch. I know it ruins your jokes, which was quite good, but still, facts is facts.
I’m great at parties.
Agreed on the autism. Baiting is a better verb. I wish it would catch on. Pun intended.
lol
Every other game that comes out is single gpu these days.
Here he is. The simpleton of the DSO comment section. I was wondering when know-nothing HVD would arrive. That man is crackers.
He’s expecting me to go all NVIDIA fanboy when I will congratulated AMD for their products in competing with NVIDIA. No surprise though, Polaris being cheaper than Pascal, no one seen that coming lol.
Personally I’m not in the market for an AMD GPU at the moment, I have a G-Sync monitor and am happy with my GTX 970. Might look at a 1070 at the end of the month.
Do you even know what crossfire is?
Ok, that was awesome. BUT, I need to see single card performance on Ultra settings to make up my mind.
That Crossfire beating the 1080 was a nice touch though.
What do I get now?
Two, Radeon RX 480 8GB GDDR5 = 2 x $250 = $500
or
One, Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Xtreme Gaming = ~$700
dx12 amd async compute if you use win 10 ftw mite be time for me to crossfire for the first time..lol
better wait for vega or 1080ti.
Waiting is not an option, I already sold my 980 Ti. I am using an Intel HD 4600 and a PS4. I will also get Vega or 1080 Ti when they come out.
when should vega come out exaclty?
If it was me I’d go with the 1080. I used to have an SLI setup until I noticed more and more games kept releasing without any SLI or Crossfire support.
Two 1070 at 760$ and have the performance of Titan X SLI and true 4k gaming system.
a single gpu is still better because neither sli or crossfire is supported widely many games support only single gpu and when it works its far from perfect so single gpu anyday
Forget about the 1080, high end is overpriced by definition. Don’t spend 700 dollars on a single GPU for like 15% performance over the cheaper model, come on.
Wait until it’s clear how 480 and 1070 compare, then pick one of those.
The fastest gpu have always command premium price. so either you get that at premium price or get something slower than that at significantly cheaper price. Does 480 even compete with 1070? If they really were the case i don’t think amd will be quiet about it.
Look at the prices. You wouldn’t price your product at 200 dollars vs. a 370 dollar competitor if it can keep up. The 480 is obviously going to be weaker, the question is just by how much.
Thinking about this some more has convinced me that AMD are making a huge mistake with their misleading number scheme. The end consumer won’t look carefully at the prices and realize that AMD is playing a totally different field with the 400 series. Limiting an entire series to be low and mid end is foolish. People will think AMD has given up the graphics race and buy those 1000 series cards in droves. If AMD had named this card the 460 everyone would be hyped to see what the 470 and 480 can bring and people would hold out until those cards launch rather than buying nvidia right away. Huge mistake.
There’s new/different Vega gpus coming later for the Pascal 1070 / 1080 fight (prob “RX 490”, possibly w/ HBM2). These RX 480 ones are Polaris 10, for the mid segment, the sweet spot from $199 up to $290, where there’s a ton of market. Performance is going to be prob around the current 390/390X, for way less money and power. That’s a big plus and very good bargain for those who still have HD7xxx, GTX 960, or R7/R9 380 ones (gives almost double fps in some games).
Equivalent to Polaris/RX480 will be GTX 1060 ($200+), as expected, it’s not the 1070 ($379).
AMD didn’t launch Polaris as an answer to Pascal. They just launched their mid product, and nVidia will respond later in this segment. Just as AMD will respond later in the Pascal’s “$375~$500” one with the more powerful Vega gpus.
Don’t get the FE, wait for the custom AiB that will probably be around the $600 mark
I can’t believe AMD is actually pushing low end/mid range gaming cards in Crossfire to beat a single Nvidia top end card.
First of all, it’s an apples to oranges comparison.
Secondly, SLI or Crossfiring lower end cards has and always will be a terrible setup to run. You’re essentially running more heat, more noise, and more power draw in order to “hopefully” match the performance of a single top end card. And let’s not even talk about wonky driver support for SLI or Crossfire, or games that don’t even support it at all. In those cases, you’re stuck using a single low end card.
No wonder AMD is losing massive market share to Nvidia.
a single $600 card that most people wont buy.most are going to go for the gtx 1070 for #380.now there is a much better option…lol
I agree. I hope AMD has an answer to the GTX 1070, because right now for a card that only costs $380, giving 980ti/Titan X performance all while only pulling a measly 216 watts of total system power from the wall? I can tell you, a low end Crossfire setup is not the answer.
the tdp for a single rx 480 is 150x so 300 ish wats total depending on which cards you get.combine that wil fx zen you can run it under 650w easy i would say.
What is up with the TDPs seriously who even cares at this point ?
For the longest time Nvidia fans seemed to care. That was always some sort of trump card to mention how much more power an AMD card uses.
And the one saying power efficiency as the most important factor was AMD themselves. Actually enough for them to give special budget to their PR team to mock nvidia GTX480 with that SWAT video.
Because more power generates more heat and thus a need for better cooling hence more noise, so yeah two important issues for most people.
Okay but right now, that argument is just… useless…
Well NVIDIA made it about TDP with Maxwell and the overclocking on them is amazing, you cna clearly see it’s paid off with the 16mn, basally a GTX 1070 is the same TDP as the 480, GTX 1080 only has 180W TDP which is amazing.
I am aware but If we were dropping tdp 600w to 300w i’d say cool but when were in the 150/250w tdp zone i feel it isn’t relevant anymore.
ill give you that one the 1080 has good tdp.
AMD has an answer to the 1070 when the Vega gpus arrive later this year or early 2017. Polaris is not being launched to compete with Pascal, they just thought it would be a good idea to point out that two RX 480 will do a lot of work in some games that take advantage on their perks (low level api + async), compared to a single current 1080 that costs a lot more. Reviews won’t pay much attention to this, they’ll review the card against the now obsolete GTX 960 and R9 380,etc… as expected. That’s what people will want to see… where to spend their next $200~$250 (not ~$500 for two).
Specially because most of these clients have (and will continue with) 1080p, and a RX 480 (with performance of a R9 390/390X) will be a blast for that kind of resolution and big jump compared to their 960 or 380.
Basically, now AMD has launched their new mid cards for the strong $200 market. NVidia will answer to this with the GTX 1060 later.
AMD has been pushing for a long time to abandon the current method of multi-gpu rendering and pushing for other methods. Raja eluded to this his speech and mentioned that there will be much more to come.
And so far i still haven’t see much in this regard. The one use by Ashes (even the mixing gpu one) is still based on AFR. Firaxis try SFR with CIV BE (under mantle) but they still come up with the known short coming of SFR; very low scaling. And the biggest issue of all is developer. Developer usually don’t have much interest with pc specific feature. and multi gpu is exactly that.
its a sad day for nvidia when amd’s 2 low end cards beat their flagship gpu..lol
So wait, if the GPU utilization for 2 RX 480 is just at 51%, and GTX 1080 at 98%, so does that mean that the single RX 480 is as powerful as GTX 1080… HMMM
this isnt even with over clocking..lol
Then why not just show a single card running various games vs 1080? There is no need roundabout way to show the performance if a single 480 can easily match 1080.
maybe if overclocked?
So, this is the card that’s gonna power Playstation neo looking at rumored neo specs…
shots fired
Oh I can just make a sli setup with GTX1070 for 700 and overkill Xfire of RX480
So GTX1070 is almost 2 times more powerful than RX480 and costs only 370.
So 2x 480’s is roughly equal to a 1080, yet the 1070 is twice as powerful? Derp
He said almost. Try reading properly. He’s right, two of these are roughly equivalent to a single 1070 and the 1070 is cheaper. Not to mention heat and power consumption.
I’m not saying this isn’t good news, it is, we need competition and lower prices, but, until we see independent reviews, I’ll hold off fully making a judgement. We’ve seen them for the Nvidia cards, we know they’re good, now we need them for these. From all accounts, the settings were lower on these benchmarks.
They were not lower.
The benchmark was simply misleading to say the least so we don’t even know if 2 RX480 are equal to a GTX1080. If they need to use AoS then it looking bad for other games, especially the ones with no CF support.
I dare you to make less sense!
Stop making sense man you are gonna break the circlejerk wth
man I dont care about vr and its expensive I rather buy a new part for my pc then buy a vr
In Crossfire…. Dude support for Multi-Gpu game is annoying sometimes. But still nice to see a crossfire being better than a single gpu ?
Lol two card setups aren’t being utilized anymore, every other game is single gpu these days. Also cherry picked benchmark.
thats all nvidia cares and boasted the gtx 1080 was more powerful then the titan x’x in sli.thats all the head lines you would see about the 1080.
rip amd
a gpu performing better than a 390x while draining much less power and in crossfire surpassing the new nvidia top end while still being 200$ cheaper is quite a bargain
“Polaris was based on the idea to make VR affordable to a lot of gamers.”
That’s an absurd goal because VR is in and of itself a luxury thing that only “enthusiasts” aka spoiled rich people will buy in for years to come. This VR craze in general is one huge bubble waiting to burst spectacularly. These things cost a fortune, plus you need a big, empty room to properly use it, plus there are literally NO GAMES for VR. They don’t exist. It’s all tech demos and buggy ripoffs at this point. See the Jeff Gerstman video. VR is expensive and good for nothing at this point. AMD making GPUs with the official goal of catering to people who use VR is ABSURD.
And I haven’t even mentioned the concept of screens that close to your eyes, a heavy gadget on your head (neck strain) and that no normal person will ever want to wear those things even if they were medically harmless.
I’m far from rich or spoiled, and I own a vive. Funded by taking my a$$ to work for 40 -50 hrs a week like any number of other employed adults. While I do think companies are jumping on VR as a buzzword to cheerlead their latest tech, I also think they are thinking about market growth. What costs $800 today will be $300 in a few years, and even at premium price meant to target early adopters last figure I saw was 60 thousand vive headsets shipped in the first month so there is a legitimate market for development. As far as games there’s a bunch on the steam market place less so in oculus, but that’s more due to design philosophy w. Oculus walling off thier space in a desperate attempt to be like apple as much as they can, and steam opening up there’s in much the way the android market place. Is there alot of shovel ware sure, but there’s also a good amount of actual games, I’ve already put 10 hrs in to Project cars VR, and another 10 into cdf starfighter. Right now at least there’s more games than I can afford to buy
doing two restaurant jobs myself for some years now hard work but the pay is there. it’s mostly console guys that complain about something that cost over 400$
>they are thinking about market growth. What costs $800 today will be $300 in a few years
No doubt VR headsets will drop to monitor price range eventually. BUT you will never replace your monitor with a VR headset. It will always be an additional expense on top of everything else you buy. So that in and of itself means that VR is unlikely to become something people on a budget will get into. 200 dollar GPU = for people who spend very responsibly and don’t upgrade their PC regularly. These people aren’t going to buy into VR, ever.
Secondly, in a few years the new VR games aren’t going to run on a RX480 anymore. If someone wanted to use VR on a budget he would first have to wait years until there’s a cheap VR set worth buying, and by that time we’ll be talking about AMD 800 GPUs. It’s just silly to talk about VR and budget now or in the foreseeable future.
You have no idea what your talking about.
Have to admit, why would you spend $200 on a RX480 and buy a Oculus for $700
vr is a fad.
Look at that, i finally agree with you on something. Nonetheless, some people really like VR.
yep the only thing i want vr for is to plau elder scrolls skyrim or the next one in vr thats it.i dont care for the crap ve mini games.fallout 4,skyrim id love to play in vr thatsabout it tho.
its a strange day when you and i agree.
Dude has a point, using a VR headset for hours might bring some neck pain/strain.
come again? $199 for vr is affordable…lol
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/amd_will_make_the_minimum_vr_spec_affordable_with_polaris/1
Separating my post into two. Here’s my opinion on the hardware:
That power usage and price look great but I’m going to need benchmarks from real games, none of that DX12 nonsense that makes AMD and nvidia hard to compare and isn’t used by any games.
It’s really weird that they’re calling it 4″80″. That would imply that it’s the strongest single GPU in its gen, and the real high-end cards coming later in the year will have a 5 in the beginning. I guess they figured out that when they launch something called 50 or 60 everyone just waits to see the 70 and 80 models.
they showed you dx12 in the aots tests.there are no dx12 games out yet most are just patched but still favor dx11.
btw dx12 will be the main api for gaming because on win 10 and xbox devs will always use dx12 over vulkan always.
“xbox devs” – multiplats aka games designed for analog sticks aka NO THANKS. DX12 = console games, Vulkan = PC, Mac, Linux games.
here is a nother idiot must be an nvidia fanboy who think vulkan will take off…lol bye bye the future is leaving you.
No, I hate nvidia. And I hate Microsoft even more.
Another Xbox fanyboy who thinks the PC market revolves around the Xbox.
Ever heard of games like Minecraft, Portal etc.
PC first.
Console second.
You revolve around us.
lol really?.pc first? name one game that came out AAA i mean that had pc dlc exclusives first lets see NONE.crappy AAA title ports check.pc was DENIED mk x dlc a first for pc denied dlc and no it doesnt matter the game..
pc is for esports and consoles are for big AAA exclusives that work…lmao
PC is for Esports, yeah.
It’s a multi purpose machines, we get all the games you get in the form of official ports or indie games.
It’s notable we can actually run the ports, if you had a port the quality we get sometimes your console would shrivel up and die
important matter here: that benchmark is not for crossfire. is for a multigpu using Ashes’ async computing. it’s hard that devs can optimize their games for cross or SLI, it will be even harder to optimize for dx12 multiGPU.
Wow, and people say NVIDIA’s marketing is bad and biased, I mean you can’t get any more hand picked biased than that to show off your new GPU. They need to show a 480 in CF on their biased logo title to get near the 1080, with games not supporting CF they are screwed, and who plays AoS ?:-x
On the positive side, 5TFLOPS for $200 seems great value, maybe NVIDIA can make the 1060 compete with the 480 if they release it at say $230-$250. The 8GB 480 might be more expensive but we will see but basically going to compete with the 1060 so NVIDIA better get their head out their a*se.
“Just to add, the PS4 Neo has just been crushed by a 480 at $200 as expected.”
Epic.
the ps4 neo is using 4 tflops this has 5 tflops did you read the article? plus its 4199 and as fast as the 980 or 980 ti for $199 and 2 of them is faster then the gtx 1080..lmao
this isnt even vega.
Its actually between the 970 and the 980. Its very far behind the 980TI. If in Ashes of singularity two 480 preform like a 1080GTX then it means that two 480 under preform the 1080 in a pretty meaningful amount in 99% of games.
The 480s were at 51% utilization in that test, so 2 of them should perform comfortably above a 1080.
yea the 980 has 5 tflops same as the rx 480 and the gtx 980 ti has 6.5 t flops.
all i said was the rx 480 has around thosetflops and people loos their crap.
Where have you seen benchmarks that say it’s faster then a 980ti? Now you’re just making sh*t up! God damn you’re pathetic. Honestly i can’t wait for benchmarks to come out. You will be very disappointed.
Notice how his grammar is so mess up now, this usually happens when he is running out of sugar and his brain is about to full out because of all the bullsh*t he’s trying to type.
did you net read the article or even look at the title and you say that..lol
Weird that you are making such bold and out of place statements in this article.
First, the prices of all the cards, both amd and nvidia will be different depending on the different brands selling them, and the different countries. There’s also 2 versions of this new amd card that will have different prices. There’s also no real benchmarks yet from independants on this new card, so AMD can make all the bold claims they want, just like Nvidia said about the 1080 outperforming 2 980s, that in many cases ended up not being true. Also what you saw/were told was that 2 of those new amd cards outperform the 1080 on DX12, but wich version of those cards? at what price? and it would really not be that surprising as everyone knows that at least at the moment the Nvidia cards aren’t doing too well with DX12 yet.
Then ofc there’s the fact that in many, actually most cases, a single more powerful GPU will outperform 2 weaker cards. This entire article seemed, at least to me, like a completely biased and fanboyish piece of writting, something I’m not used to seeing in this site.
“I’m also betting that this new amd card, or a modified version of it, is what’s gonna be inside the “upgraded” console versions.”
That’s actually a good insight. At that price point and at mass production levels you could be right. The only thing is they would be smart not to put out hype of it making the machines 4k ready. They will either have to compromise on the frame rate, or drop quality settings for many options – probably have to do both if they actually want to hit the 4k mark.
Geeze what a surprise they used Ashes of the Singularity as a benchmark, So of course they look good…
its a real dx12 test.that still shows nvidia doesnt have async compute for dx12.
Any news about the 480X ?
Holy moly AMD. Nice biased benchmark. Using a AMD favoured game which uses async compute heavily AND using crossfire. I expect biased benchmarks from Nvidia not AMD.
Nvidia didn’t even go as low as to compare the 1080 with a AMD card during their reveal.
Banking on multi gpu setup to be the main selling point of your card isn’t really a good business bet. Right now multi gpu support in Dx12 is pretty jacked as is, besides a select few titles where the gpu manufacturers invested lots of time and resources in helping the devs.
When Dx12 was still on the horizon it seemed there were all these dev’s clamoring for it, because it was “closer to the metal”, and now that it’s here and the responsibility is on them for implementing better multi gpu support and other functions it doesn’t seem like many of them are stepping up to the plate.
Once they realized DX12 was actually Win 10-exclusive, & Windows 10 wasn’t actually the next Windows 7 after all, coupled with the whole “oh, Vulkan does all of this, on way more OS’s than the Win 10-locked DX12”, yeah…….
Not to mention the epic mega-fail that is UWP.
still pushing vulkan…lmao 2 $199 cards in crossfire are beating the gtx 1080 in dx12. do we need to have that vulkan discussion again on how it will never be the main api for gaming.?
I’d never trust double cards! Maybe in 5 years or so it will change but now it isn’t the case.
And AMD showed this purported superiority in the most red game ever. This test doesn’t seem trustworthy, to say the least…
amd will push for it more now with win 10 dx12 it makes sense for them to.remember fx zen is still coming.
1) Ashes of singularity works terribly on NVIDIA cards. Funny that they chose to show this demo and this demo only, right?
2) The 1080GTX is a 599$ card, not a 700$ card.
3) The RX 480 used in this demo is the 8GB version, that means 229$ X 2 = 458$, not 400$.
4) The 1080GTX in this video is running the game in higher settings than the 480.
5) Two 480 draw 300W, a single 1080 draws 180W. Also dual cards aren’t always supported and require a much more expensive motherboard and power supply.
Its a pathetic PR move, truly pathetic.
Yeah, and I’m sure that there will be a crazy water cooled variation that will cost 800$ so lets say the 1080GTX is 800$, right? You could buy a 599$ 1080GTX before the RX480 is out. You could even buy an EVGA ROG STRIX for 619$ and its an overclocked card.
This whole thing is a PR bs and dsogaming fell right into the PR trap.
Yeah, its all they sell right now. NVIDIA use their almost monopoly control of the PC GPU market to be an a***ole and overcharge the early adopters. But in just a few days all the non-founder’s edition cards will come out and you could get a card for a 100$ less. Lots of OC partner cards already have a price tag, for instance ROG STRIX from ASUS is 619$ and its an OC card.
that guy nadav is in denial..lol
I care not whether he is or isnt, hes right. Its all facts.
talking facts to a fanboy in denial is pointless in his post you can spot that he in denial.facts are facts .
Says the AMD fanboy troll. NVIDIA said it’s around twice as fast as TitanX in VR because of it’s new features, see you can’t even get basic things right. You keep saying no Async Compute and ignore facts, gamers Nexus proved by their benchmarks that DX12 in AoS on the GTX 1080 was much faster than DX11.
the truth is a troll and how may time am i going to have to tell you vulkan will never be the main api ever.
btw you facts from gn was a $700 card in 1080p that you posted you dont use a $700 card for 1080p…lol
btw async compute is why these 2 $199 cards are beating the$ 700 gtx 1080 in in dx12 tests.
Resolution has nothing to do with it, you can’t even stick to the subject.
rolf…lmao…lol…omg…you went there…lmao come on you know better then that…lol you dont remember me showing you the r9 nano in cf beating the gtx 1080 in total war hammer in dx12 .
nvidia needs async compute to beat amd.
Nano CF 4GB HBM =£800+ and that’s the cheapest one, XFX so I’m not sure what you’re smoking, yet again, clueless.
why are you trying to cover up so hard face it these $199 cards in crossfire beath the $700 gtx 1080. even the r9 nano in crossfire beats the gtx 1080 as shown here oh i showed you this many time before do act dumb.
dx12 belongs to amd and will be the main api for gaming.
Before you go and claim that AMD is godlike, could we see a single RX480 vs a single GTX1080 ?. My bet is that AMD is going to get fked since this gen is mainstream. It’s all about marketing. They need to CF these cards to say they’re better than a 1080 ? WELL NO SHT. This is dumb bro, you have to admit. Comparing Multi-gpu setups to single gpu setups wtf is this. Give us 1 vs 1 and we’ll see. Whatever the price.
bro, even if u put 2 lower end nvidia gpus together, something from the xx60 series for example, itl beat the xx80 series in performance to dollar. The point is games nowadays dont really support cf or SLI well or at all. Powerful single gpu cards is what smart people run nowadays and nvidia has always been great at that. AMD has their own place in the more budget-build communities which i think is awesome and they desperately need to stop comparing themselves to nvidia because in pure power they cant win.
if you look at the list of games that support crossfire/sli you would be shocked its a lot more then you think.
No i wouldn’t. I ran and SLI setup for a few years before switching to single gpu and i remember poor (if any at all) support the first week even. Even from the games that do support it, barely scale well and it was quite frustrating. Multi gpu solutions are rarely worth it in the lower end.
you cant beat that price t will be $250 for the 8gb cards im thinking.the 4gb cards are $199 and the 8gb cards are $250ish.i think thats why they showed it off since its more mid range and crossfire scales better.
I agree with most of what you said, but the scaling of crossfire…. I have not been privy to any information that shows anything other than shittay framepacing that totally destroys the overall experience with micro/major stuttering.
Wtf Nano is a Cf card dude. Why does amd need to compare 2 cards to beat 1 nvidia card wtf is this.
And have a benchmark that biased to them, plus Warhammer DX12 benchmark was made by AMD. CF is the only way to beat the GTX 1080 that’s why, they are too focused on beating the GTX1080 rather than showing performance against their older GPUs.
Well it’s marketing, it’s at their advantage to show their cards performing well on amd optimized titles. It’s all right by me, Nvidia has done it countless times anyways. But CF vs 1×1080 lol.. this is just lol.
Nope, NVIDIA never made a special benchmark for a game to showed their cards looking better like Warhammer.
I do not know about the warhammer part but NV sure had/has heavily optimized games for their architecture and they’re using these for benchmark purposes. What company wouldn’t do it?
Yes but not in this context, AMD made a special DX12 Warhammer benchmark, the game doesn’t even support DX12 yet and they only did it because they run so bad in the actual game DX11 Warhammer.
Oh okay i didn’t know that.
Quoted from PC Gamer:
“AMD provided us with a preview build of the DX12 version of the game, which conveniently includes a built-in benchmark—or rather, it’s only a benchmark, so you can’t actually play the game”
lol poor wrath in such denial im going to get these and crossfire them to bet the gtx 1080…lol
Well good for you, it’s a good idea. Price is smart and performance wise it’s good if it truly beats the 1080. But it is still a CF so problems shall arise.
never herd anything out of you about sli problem rising..lol..so sad
It was my main concern, recurring SLi compatibility problems is why i decided not to use Sli anymore. Same goes for CF. Wtf are you talking about.
true i agree that sli/crossfire will have issues but still $199 or $250 maybe for the 8gb version isnt a bad deal for a mid range card.
I agree. It is a nice price/performance range.
btw they did with titan ‘x in sla vs gtx 1080 in doom here you go you are lying.
http://bgr.com/2016/05/12/nvidia-gtx-1080-doom-demo/
them comparing gtx 1080 with the titan’x’ comparing. in the doom demo.
“We weren’t capturing live, (and accidentally left our GTX 1080 at the
event when packing up – argh!), but we came back and captured this
re-play of the demo,” id Software executive producer Marty Stratton
explains. “This gameplay is from a PC running Vulkan on a Titan X at 120
FOV – with the player’s personal upgrades and rune perks set for
advanced speed and movement capabilities.” thsi is them comparing the titanx tothe gtx 1080.
they did benchmark to show it off..lol
you dont think id software had nvidias permission to show it.
Yes moron, even on the GeForce website said that they used a TitanX because it was AFTER the presentation of the GTX 1080 when they left with the 1080s. Again do some research before posting your junk.
you guys loved you gtx 1080 vs 2 titan x’s and got so hyped about that the only difference here its cheaper $199 amd cards beating the 1080 are you guys hypocrites?
I already answered that in a previous post. There’s a difference.
The guy will never learn, he simply doesn’t have the mind or the IQ to talk on our level when it comes to hardware and benchmarks. He takes one benchmark from AMD and think it will be all games LOL
I wouldn’t comment on hvd’s IQ but i’d agree that some of his arguments are pointless.
it is to bias fanboys but im glad there are posts so every one can see you are a hypocrite
Good point. I can’t believe you thought of that. Good job HVD.
You probably haven’t heard that one in a lifetime.
LOL.
ithey will show what a hypocrite you are im not worried.
They as in who ? Look man, go upstairs and ask your mom to make you a good sandwich then come back downstair and beatoff a little, THEN you’ll be less pissed off ?.
Edit : typo.
you got showed up and nothing to do but troll now..lol
you are as biased as him. he supports AMD and you support Nvidia! he will look for the good parts of AMD where they are better than Nvidia and you will counter with what Nvidia is good at aswell.
point is ~ you are both fanboys of the company you cheer so dont like you have ever said anything cool about AMD.
my last card was a gtx evga 660 sc im not as bias as him. but ill never own a nvidia card again so im a little bias…lol
i support amd dx12 and win 10 for gaming on pc.
Thats cool…. he stomps on anyone whos says anything remotely one sided against Nvidia
ye aeven with facts are shown like i have done even here they dis crossfire but were all for it when nvidia.him and a few others are that whay that posted here .
7thguest,Wrath,maxim and zabara are the ones even with facts they are in full denial.
lel!
Objectivity which you do not have, is not denial. Like De Ja Ful said, you seek only the good parts of AMD just like a biased fan. Did you see me trash amd like a moron ? Look at my comments history and you’ll find that i do not dislike AMD, on the countrary. I feel like if AMD can push nvidia to drop their prices and get market shares back it would be beneficial for the whole pc community (i’ve said that countless times). And i am happy for AMD customers that the RX480 will do well in CF at such prices. It is good news all in all. I prefer Nvidia because of my past experiences with Amd/Ati. Nothing says i won’t jump ship in 1-2-3 years. We never know the future. But when i see claims that 2 cards beat 1 card lol… I’m pretty comfortable in my ship right now.
There is always someone on the internet that will call you a fanboy, probably because they are an actual fanboy.
lol
No I don’t, and who are you to say that, you don’t know me or my past hardware and you are an idiot for sticking up for this clueless idiot, you just randomly jump onto a comment without looking at what happened previous. You come to help a idiot and defend a fellow internet idiot?
he has common sense go to your nvidia forums and circle jerk each other.
You don’t know what I fanboy is and no I don’t “support” NVIDIA, I have one of their GPUs because of a choice and a year ago I had a full AMD setup.
Also,I never said anything positive about AMD?
“On the positive side, 5TFLOPS for $200 seems great value, maybe”
“it’s because AMD made their drivers better”
“I certainly think Polaris and Vega could shake things up at NVIDIA and NVIDIA will respond to Vega with a 1080Ti I bet.”
none what so ever and you are a hypocrite if you think there is .
My boy you truly are mindless. Seriously bro think about it one second. If one card beats two cards, everybody is wow since you know it’s quite a feat. Now if two cards beat one card, everybody is wtf cause you know, IT’S 2V1. WTF.
i though you nvidia fanboys loved sli but the second its not in you favor you dont like crossfire people will see that.
You put everybody in the same basket. Small mind again. I never like Sli and since i’ve got away from it, i couldn’t be happier. Don’t judge a book by it’s cover moron.
you have nothing left to do but to troll you have been showed up like i do to wrath. you come here try to troll then get showed up and all you have left is to troll…sad.
Showed what enlighten me. All i’ve seen is that a multi-gpu setup is better than a single gpu setup, DUH ?. Ahh yea and you being.. you… Amd fanboyism at its best.
you have been wrong form the start your own posts showed you up..lol
What are you talking about. You high. You’re going to get caught by your mom. Smoke can easily travel upstairs.
your one to talk about benchmarks bias…lol why dont you show the gtx 1080 in 720p and show how much it dominates..lol no $700 gpu is for 1080p.the gtx 1080 is for 1400p.or why bother up gradeing.
If one has a GTX1080 and wants to play 1080p, what do you care?. This argument is non-sense. It’s like claiming ” because a lamborghini can go to 200mph you always need to go to 200mph, you can’t drive at 60mph and enjoy the ride because the car isn’t made for that ?”
Dude…
SOME FURY X COME RELATIVELY TOO CLOSE IN SOME DX12 BENCHMARKS.
you cant talk to him he will lshow the gtx 1080 a $700 card in 1080p just to deny those 1440p results you are talking about.
i know… there is a lot of benchmark where the 1070 and the 1080 matched the dx12 and some where furyx simply outmatched the 1070. yet they wont believe that Nvidia cant simply dx12 well.
nope let them pay $600 ill buy 2 rx 480’s and beat their 1080..they will go 720p benchmarks if it suits them better thats how bad they are.
its $700+ actually and good AIBs wont be $600 either
yea $700 for the founders card and you know they will buy liquid coolors for so so its more like they will pay $800 or more.
becauswe all nvidia did when they launched the 1080 was saying its faster then titan x’x in sli so now the shoe is on the other foot and you guys dont like it?
you dont remember nvidis pushing point of the gtx 1080 faster then the titan x’s?.and now you talk down this crossfire because its amd?
There is a difference of perspective. Claiming a card is faster than TWO cards in a particular test is a feat. Claiming TWO card are faster than ONE CARD. This is just lol. Can’t you see ? I mean, cmon.
thats being a hypocrites. you guys like when the gtx 1080 was faster then the 2 titan x’s in sli which is the same as crossfire but when amd does it you talk it down thats a hypocrites fyi.
6-8 people on here calling you out and saying the same things, but they are the ones in denial and are wrong….. WOW…!!
To top it all off…you keep on saying the same falsified garbage over and over as if it is factual…. Hypocrisy is deeply engrained in this one.
its not hard to google.
you dont what to google because you know you will prove your self wrong.
its not hard to google..lol
And to see the true facts…….take some of your own advice.
Jesus Hvd, you are like a six year old. Whats with all the fanboyism? The RX480 was not meant to go head to head with the 1070GTX and 1080GTX, thats the Fury 2 and the Fury X 2’s job.
Its really easy to take a single one sided benchmark and show how crazy awesome your card is. You can take the pre AMD driver update Doom benchmark and show how a 300$ 970GTX beats the living crap out of a 650$ Fury X. Is it representative of real performance? nope. Does it look awesome in a presentation slide show? Sure it does.
The RX480 is the most awesome 200$ (or 230$ for the 8GB version) card on the market. The 1070GTX is the most awesome 380$ card on the market and the 1080GTX is the most awesome 600$ card on the market. Deal with it.
So you can’t read a simple graph?
Also one 6pin delivers 75W and PCIe delivers another 75W.
The 150W is the maximum power but most likely the card will sit between 120-130W.
Also in that demo they showed that CF had 51% utilization which means similar efficiency whit a 1080 and a slightly better performance.
You are welcome.
ty i admit i didnt read the graph.
I really hope most of this isn’t true, otherwise AMD did something very disappointing
Yeah, that comparison is bollocks. It would be interesting to see a GTX 1070 ($379) vs RX480 ($199) though…
MAtches the leaked specs of scorpio
Do we know how stronger ? i mean if it’ 10% stronger or 50% stronger ?
Another indication of why I smell bullshet is that RX480 has the same power consumption than 1070, 150W. I mean holy cow that a bad hardware design on AMD side. AMD never could come up with sound power consumption, noise and heating levels. If Nvidia goes for higher Wattage then it’s transformed in better performance. But only AMD can come up with a GPU that is like has 80% less performance than 1070 BUT somehow has the SAME power consumption O_O AMD out doing themselves again XD
wow now nvidia fanboy are going off about watts when they are the ones that want sli in games…lmao.
hmm.. i had expect AMD to announce something competitively on par with 1070… guess i’ll have to switch from R9 290 to 1070 now :'(
2 $199 card beating the $700 that no one will buy thats not impressive…lmao.
you know everyone is going to buy the gtx 1070 and the rx 480 for $199 looks like the better choice..lol
wouldn’t buy a multi GPU set up in current climate tbh. The support is shocking currently. You’d have to be mental or Hvd to buy this set up.
you dont think amd isnt going to push crossfire in games now?
I don’t think developers give a poop. That’s the problem..unless AMD intend on financing every game, nothing will change. Forward rendering engines are problematic for multi gpu support and it’s extra costs for development, so publishers are turning backs on it. AMD can’t rewrite engines. Hence we never saw this support in some games at all.
a lot of devs are going to sign with amd on pc because of dx12 and xbox.why wouldnt the devs do it if amd ask them to.amd is every where now all consoles and mid range gpu market.
i think if amd askes them to include crossfire they would.
wow i was right everyone does hate you lol
nvidia fan boys do because i put them in there place..the truth is a troll.
no one like the truth.
btw do i give a crap about some people if they dont like me no…lol
im not here for popularity im here for facts.if you want to be popular go circle jerk in the nvidia forums.
When the graph is AMD marketing bullsh* in the first place.
You have problems man, stop acting like a 5 year old.
lol
Are you retarded? That is not proof that “they launched the 1080 was saying its faster then titan x’x in sli”. LMAO, all you have done is proven yourself a liar. Do you even know the difference between a 980/980 TI/Titan X, it seem pretty evident you do not.
He’s a useless bag of vinegar douche that his…..”someone” has on their shelf. Just waiting for an anal experience in order to be useful in life….
Yeah….now all AMD has to do is get their “frame pacing” down in order to have a smooth playable experience. With one card or more their frame pacing is garbage and in no way holds a chance up against Nvidia if they have not addressed this issues that has been relevant since the 7000 series.
Never will I invest in anything else until I see someone that can show me that I am to be consistently wrong with their new 400 series. I hope that AMD can do something to ensure this is not an ongoing issue.
One perfectly placed/intended benchmark and people fly off their handles and think that a particular piece of hardware is the golden ticket… I mean why would they release a tech demo/benchmark that shows their own hardware lacking in performance.?!? Yeah right….”the new way to showcase your hardwares prowess…..make it flop!!”
Let us see some real world scenarios and make an “educated” decision instead of blowing the fanboy whistle….
Great. Now should I upgrade my old rig or build a new one around this GPU.? Decisions…. decisions!
Yeah, with low FOV and tons of little camera issues. You can’t get the FOV you need in most games, and you also can’t prevent the game from doing really uncomfortable things with the camera that will disorient/nauseate you, like limiting how far down or up you can look or how far you can turn. There are many, many issues with this stuff. You’re hyped now because you think it’ll get better. But that’s what people thought about multi-GPU in 2005. Here we are a decade later and multi-GPU has never once been worth the costs, and still doesn’t work in most games. Why? Because it’s still a niche thing and always will be. And the same is true for VR. It’s never going to be mainstream and so it’s never going to work PROPERLY with all or even most games. I’m sure most games will feign support but there will be jarring flaws with the implementation.
Let’s take the FOV problem as an example: The most comfortable FOV for the average PC gamer is something around 100, for many 110+. This number is only ever going up as monitors keep getting larger. And yet FOV limits have become more common and lower over the last decade. Devs simply create models and animations for the lowest common denominator, consoles, and tell PC gamers to f*ck off despite PC being the biggest of the three relevant platforms (Xbox, Playstation, PC). Proper VR would necessitate seriously high FOV, 110 would be a starting point! This would mean even more attention to models and camera placement than the amount devs have been dodging for a decade. And VR users are a smaller crowd than PC gamers and always will be.