Written by Metal Messiah
Just few days ago, I shared one news in which few sources claimed that AMD plans to release new “Matisse Refresh” ZEN2-based CPUs. Now, some rumors are circulating regarding the “Clock speeds” of these new upcoming SKUs.
The alleged clock speeds have been leaked and published over at the Chiphell Forums, coming via HXL. As per this leak it appears that these new AMD Ryzen XT series SKUs would see a “200-300 MHz” boost over the existing lineup of processors from AMD. Core counts are rumored to be the same.
This new “refresh” Ryzen 3000 lineup will include three CPUs: AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT (Ryzen 9 3900X Replacement), the AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT (Ryzen 7 3800X Replacement), and the AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT (Ryzen 5 3600X Replacement).
If these leaks are indeed correct then we can expect the Ryzen 9 3900XT to see a boost clock of 4.8 GHz, which is an increase of 200 MHz over the current flagship 3900X model. The “base clock” would also get a decent bump which sits at 4.1GHz, almost 300 Mhz faster, which is an impressive feat.
The AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT is rumored to feature a base clock of 4.1 GHz, with a “boost clock” of up to 4.8 GHz (single-core). This is higher when compared to the base and boost clocks of the current flagship Ryzen 3900X Model, which sits at 3.8 GHz and 4.6 GHz respectively.
The Ryzen 7 3800XT on the other hand offers a base clock bump of 4.2 GHz and a boost clock increase of 4.7 GHz as compared to the current Ryzen 7 3800X. Finally, the AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT offers 4 GHz base and 4.7 GHz boost frequencies. The base/boost clock speeds again appear to be faster than the “X” model.
AMD’s Ryzen 3000 XT series, aka “Matisse Refresh”, are expected to be announced on June 16th 2020, with AMD planning to sell these new processors around July 7’th. All three AMD Ryzen 3000 ‘Matisse Refresh’ CPUs have higher base clocks than Intel’s current 10th Gen desktop CPUs as well, assuming these results are accurate.
All three CPUs will feature higher clock speeds & an enhanced “overclock” support.
According to rumors the “boost algorithms” for these new CPUs are more finely tuned. So you can expect a “5-10%” performance improvement over existing Ryzen SKUs. AMD had to release several “fixes” in the past for the previous gen Ryzen lineup, to make sure the “advertised” clock speeds could be achieved easily on most of the systems.
So we need to wait till these CPUs hit the shelves to confirm how much base/boost clock speed values these new processors can actually offer.
Thanks, HXL.
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AMD just got better and faster. Noice ! I wonder what ZEN 4 is going to bring ?
Zen 4 will bring DDR5 support, larger cache sizes and even higher clock speeds due to the use of TSMC’s first-gen 5nm FinFET process node.
Hasan Mihaj is back w/ a new season of Patriot Act. Good episode.
fclk at 2000mhz
what’s flck ?
infinity fabric clock speed.. according to rumor now you can set well oc your memory to 4000mhz 1:1 ratio with flck oc to 2000mhz
Well I am happy with my 3700X paired with 3600mhz CL14
What Ram are you using John?
Trident Z Royal 16 gig kit
On Ryzen systems, the latency and available bandwidth for all connected components like the DRAM controller, PCIe bus, etc. is based off the Infinity Fabric speed (FCLK).
All of this occurs in an interconnect AMD calls “Infinity Fabric.” The Infinity Fabric clock speed (FCLK) is configurable and directly relates to the memory clock (MCLK). For previous Ryzen 3000 CPUs, most will run a 1:1 ratio between FCLK and MCLK, which can be considered “synchronous” operation, up to 1,800MHz.
There may be instances where the FCLK may be set to operate in an “asynchronous” mode (not a 1:1 ratio), which may introduce increased latency, thus negating any performance benefit. However, for extremely high MCLK values (> 3,600MHz), asynchronous operation may actually increase overall performance, at the cost of stability.
This refresh release (which is pretty close to the release of the Zen3 lineup) to me seems like an attempt to sour Intel’s latest refresh CPUs. Almost as if this is the only reason of its existence.
I hate when companies saturate the market with SKUs that are only marginally better then their counterparts (and 5-10% is marginal).
It is, nothing more.
Yip. It is a knee jerk reaction. Better to wait for Zen3, it is just 3 months away or so. Anybody who purchases an 3000 CPU now will most likely kick themselves that they bought an 3000 CPU now, instead of waiting for 4000 CPUs.
Zen2 and Zen3.
Zen4 (or whatever Ryzen 5000 is) will be AM5.
If they dont have quicksync in adobe this will be pointless, there will be literally NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON buying a 3900XT to game on iGraphics.
But I believe that NVIDIA GPUs just got the same acceleration support as quicksync in adobes latest release (maybe the latest beta). I did read an article over at Puget website with benchmarks for it, and an decent NVIDIA GPU beats quicksync buy quite a bit in their benchmarks.
So you could get an AMD CPU with all its benefits and then use an NVIDIA GPU for more performance then quicksysnc.
I want any AMD fanboy to tell me with straight face that they 100% believe that these new 4.8 and 4.7 boost clocks can be sustained for longer then 1-2 seconds.
why u say that ??
AMD CPU doesnt hold Boost clocks above 4.4 [in some cases even 4.5 is a possibility] like Intel do, and when they do they hit it then drop down, up/down,up/down.
They never stick to it
I own an 3700x, but I am no fanboy of Intel or AMD, so you know where I am coming from.
But I do agree, I am really not certain that those frequencies will be held non-stop. I think 100mhz or so less is a more likely stable frequency. My 3700x can hold 4300-4375 quite well in single threaded games and loads. 4400 is more rare.
But let us go with 100mhz or so less for sustained single threaded loads to be realistic. Maybe more, maybe less. AMDs CPU really don’t boost the same as Intels CPUs, that is quite true.
Unless AMD has finally got their boost behavior sorted out like they claim. But I am not sure, we will have to see.
Ryzen has no real issue to hold 4.4Ghz, I bet you was just extremely unlucky, the issue is with everything above that 4.4Ghz, all the expensive CPUs, even after AMD firmware fix, watch Gamers Nexus video and otehr benchmark sites.
3700x was always working properly plus minus, the issue was with everything above it and that includes the super expensive TR
I haven’t come across a single 3700x stock that sustains 4400mhz in any game old or new. So no, you are absolutely incorrect. And if you check out Hardware Unboxed videos you will see the same thing, and derBauers as well.
They boost there for a few seconds at most but 3375 is the most common, with drops to 4300 at times. And I see lots of people with drops to 4250-4225 as well. You don’t see an sustained 4400mhz on an 3700x at all, not just mine. You are out right wrong.
They don’t sustain 4400 in single threaded benchmarks either. They all sustain the same 1-2 second max clocks, and not on every core either. Some cores are just not good enough to hit 4400 either. Ryzen Master and Windows 10 event log “Kernel-Processor-Power” events under system logs will show you clearly which cores are the best, not many.
And here is a thread from 12 days ago complaining about the same thing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/glpfdb/3700x_not_boosting_to_44/
He only has 2 cores hitting 4400 with most at 4375 or under. And I can guarantee you the cores that hit 4400 will only do so for a few seconds at most, if that. And if you type in “3700x not boosting to 4400mhz” into google, you will find many threads from this year alone complaining about the same thing.
So I 100% stand by what I said, you are out right wrong about the 3700x CPUs.
I was told by 3700x owners on wcctf that their 3700x can do boost no issues, even “above” the rated SC boost:
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900xt-ryzen-7-3800xt-ryzen-5-3600xt-matisse-refresh-desktop-cpu-clock-speed-rumor/#comment-4928727239
You dont need to convince me that AMD cant do proper boost, I already know, thats why i skipped buying Ryzen and got 3960x, its still in assembly thou, but with so many cores I can find a bunch that can boost properly, anyway looks like ZEN3 will finally fix it and with new chipset ill be able to just get a new CPU and swap it.
Its my first AMD build since Phenom II X6 1090T
Here is a brand new Reddit from 12 days ago with an new 3700x owner only getting 4400mhz on 2 cores with most of the others hitting 4375.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/glpfdb/3700x_not_boosting_to_44/
And I can guarantee you those 4400 mhz clocks will absolutely not be sustained at all for more then a few seconds at most, if that.
Just type in “3700x not boosting to 4400mhz” into google and you will see lots of threads made this year alone complaining about the same thing.
Like I said, you are out right wrong on this. It has been this way since 3000 launch and it is still this way.
Isn’t the advertised Boost is for single core? like on Intel? and he got 2 cores, so thats a win?
Its just that on Intel with one bios toggle I can make it all core boost, all the time, no issue, no problems, just bring AIO
Don’t get me wrong, I am not complaining. My 3700x like all 3700x are already fast enough and hit the performance targets in games and Cinebench etc as advertised, even if they don’t hold max clocks for more then a few seconds.
I was just agreeing with your original post saying that Ryzen 3000 CPUs have trouble sustaining their max clocks for more then a few seconds at a time.
They all tend to do it. So I was just agreeing with your post by adding in my personal experience and research of other 3700x owners over the last year of ownership. But I am happy as anyone and will be upgrading to an 4950x for work and gaming (I work a lot more then gaming nowadays, but I still try to game in my downtime).
as tempted as ive been to get a 3900x and replace my 2700x, I think ill still wait for 4000 series. I feel thatll really be worth it
Wait
I think it’s a stupid mistake naming then “XT”.
Unnecessary confusion for everyone, mixing the GPU and CPU names together.
WHY?
i wonder if amd put single ccx like 3300x to those cpus. intel would get beaten in the as$.
Well, AMD is doing and 8 core CCX with the 4000 series. And those are 3 months away or so.
I wouldn’t buy any CPU refresh right now. The 4000 series will be a big improvement. And they are only 3 months away. I will be upgrading my 3700x to an 4950x for work and gaming.
I suggest anyone who can wait 3 months, to do exactly that. This refresh is just a knee jerk reaction to 10th gens release. But they are not worth the purchase to anyone who can wait till 4000 release.
I believe that 4000 series performance increase over the outgoing 3000 series will be big enough that anyone who purchases an 3000 CPU now will kick themselves for not waiting.
leaked =/ confirmed