Intel has just listed all its processors that are currently being affected by the Spectre and Meltdown security flaws. Moreover, Epic Games has shared a graph showcasing the significant performance impact of the Intel security fix on one of its gaming servers.
What’s really interesting here is that Intel worked closely with many other technology companies, including AMD, ARM Holdings and several operating system vendors, to develop an industry-wide approach to mitigate this issue promptly and constructively. As we’ve already reported, Intel will release updates for 90% of its processors by the end of next week.
As Epic Games showcased, the CPU utilization of one of its gaming servers sky-rocketed from 25% to almost 60%. That’s a really big performance hit and it is something that may affect gamers worldwide. Weaker gaming servers may reach their peak due to this security fix, resulting in possible latency issues. So yeah, while the performance impact of this fix on a PC system may be relatively small for individual users, it can potentially lead to major gaming performance issues – especially for online games like Fortnite or PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds – caused by the gaming servers.
Here is the list of all the Intel processors that are currently being affected by Spectre and Meltdown.
- Intel® Core™ i3 processor (45nm and 32nm)
- Intel® Core™ i5 processor (45nm and 32nm)
- Intel® Core™ i7 processor (45nm and 32nm)
- Intel® Core™ M processor family (45nm and 32nm)
- 2nd generation Intel® Core™ processors
- 3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors
- 4th generation Intel® Core™ processors
- 5th generation Intel® Core™ processors
- 6th generation Intel® Core™ processors
- 7th generation Intel® Core™ processors
- 8th generation Intel® Core™ processors
- Intel® Core™ X-series Processor Family for Intel® X99 platforms
- Intel® Core™ X-series Processor Family for Intel® X299 platforms
- Intel® Xeon® processor 3400 series
- Intel® Xeon® processor 3600 series
- Intel® Xeon® processor 5500 series
- Intel® Xeon® processor 5600 series
- Intel® Xeon® processor 6500 series
- Intel® Xeon® processor 7500 series
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v2 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v3 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v4 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v5 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v6 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v2 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v3 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v4 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 v2 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 v3 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor E7 v4 Family
- Intel® Xeon® Processor Scalable Family
- Intel® Xeon Phi™ Processor 3200, 5200, 7200 Series
- Intel® Atom™ Processor C Series
- Intel® Atom™ Processor E Series
- Intel® Atom™ Processor A Series
- Intel® Atom™ Processor x3 Series
- Intel® Atom™ Processor Z Series
- Intel® Celeron® Processor J Series
- Intel® Celeron® Processor N Series
- Intel® Pentium® Processor J Series
- Intel® Pentium® Processor N Series
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And all this time how many PCs have been compromised? This what get’s me, of course you should treat security very seriously but like a lot of flaws they go unseen for year and years to the point even hackers don’t know, but guess what, they know now. I’d like to know if this flaw wasn’t fixed you could actually go a very long time before any hacker would even find it. Basiaclly if you don’t want the performance hit don’t install the fix because the chances of you getting hacked are so little over the performance loss, but hey it’s too late, it’s all over the media.
Not to defend Intel for make such a big mistake and being morons but performance Vs security is a risk assessment, make your own choice and if you think you’re going to be hacked tomorrow via that flaw you’re probably an alarmist because you havn’t been hacked in the last 5 years. Who else shares the view that this is a risk assessment if the performance hit is high?
The flaws were discovered very recently by a google team with advanced knowledge on how CPUs work. Intel was notified in June apparently. Yeah, I get your point, zero systems have been compromised to date besides the ones in the lab.
The thing is, it’s such a huge flaw that it can’t be left there hanging. If the wrong people were to figure out the exploit, the results would be catastrophic. That’s why the patches should roll on even before the malware comunity is aware of how to exploit the flaw.
How do You know that only lab systems were compromised?
JS is able to utilize this flaw and exploit it without anyone (with firewalls and antivirus running at the same time) notice. What’s more frightening is that it’s multi platform and such exploit is ideal for mass data collection.
Actually, the people that disclosed the flaw discovered recently. We don’t know if other people discovered it before.
That’s right.
The issue is that you COULD be hacked tomorrow. Unlikely? Yes. Possible? Oh yes. It’s a major flaw that needs to be fixed and soon.
Again, this is not going to affect the normal user, gaming performance will remain the same, in fact Firestrike on my system went up 300 points with that fix for some reason, and it consistently remains higher than what I was getting before the patch, Bf1 is also unchanged, my other system with i7 3770s is also not seeing any performance changes, still gets 12,000 points in firestrike just as it did before the patch. This only largely affects Intel based servers, which is like 98% of the servers out there.
Yeah, let’s spill all the sh*t on hardware producers.. Another reason for excuses and zero optimization of game logi? by lazypoor skilled game devs..
What? They LITERALLY admitted the issue is with the hardware. This has nothing to do with developers.
Never mind.. I meant that devs won’t hesitate to blame everyone except themselves.
this could also be a ploy to force companies into buying newer upcoming intel cpu’s, it may not affect us gamers much, but the companies that deal with servers, they are gonna feel most of it, and after all, what they gonna do? buy AMD?
Some may turn to AMD. Why not? Epyc is a very strong option.
Epyc is epic, I don’t see the issue. Not only do they have more PCIe lanes they also can handle more ram at a faster speeds.
Actually EPYC is really competitive but i see them buying Arm over Intel and Amd as in the server market even companies life Facebook is switching over to ARM.
If they knew anything about security and they do the last CPU they will go with is an Intel one until this is all fixed in the hardware as now that this is known software hacks to the kernel is always possible and hackers know exactly where to look.
One reason I quit PC gaming. Just BS after BS. Spend more time fixing issues rather than playing. Add that to the fact consoles are where the great AAA exclusives are, fewer hackers, better communities, etc. It sucks because I was a PC gamer from 2002 to 2013. It just got worse and worse every year.
That’s fine by me, do what you like, but.. What kind of processors are the servers for console games running?
Cool for you, but I’ll always be with PC gaming, as it has what I want and the games that release on it as well.
I’m still able to play my games without having to mod or tweak them to death, unless I want to mod them by choice, which isn’t rocket science.
Also, you have a GTX 1080, bot sure why you blew money on hw like that when you told us you “quit” PC gaming and are looking forward to a PC based game on another article.
I note that Mason Miller is the guy who posted,
– “Sir, I like you. You are one of the few people on this site with a brain.” in reply to uber-troll Kim Kardashian West, i.e. his own sock account
– that he’s quit PC gaming while having in the very same hour posted that he’ll be getting a game on Steam.
– “PC gaming is a joke in gaming now. Only respect it gets is in League and WoW”
– “Console gamers enjoy games. PC gamers enjoy benchmarking and b*ing”
– “will be getting the game (Destiny 2) on the Pro or Xbox one x. I really prefer having the superior experience.”
– “PC gamers pirate a majority of their games”
– “Surprised you didn’t steal it like most PC gamers.”
– “PC gamers, the saddest group of losers in gaming.”
I honestly ponder why the hell the site voted for no form of moderation policy. The site is basically PCgamer 2.0 at this point.
I’d say that blatant anti-PC trolling by obvious console fanboy trolls would be the exception to said decision of the site membership. If I recall correctly, John has banned at least one such troll since the current hands-off moderation came into being. Hopefully he’ll do the same for Kim Kardashian West, his sock account Mason Miller and Sp4ctr0.
Yeah, but that Kim one and the sock puppet account remain.
They seem dead set on “free speech”, yet I’ve seen better moderation coming from VGChartz than on here. Any console warz on there and the bans start to roll in.
And yet Sony and Microsoft get hacked all the time, PSN goes down you can’t play anything online, buy anything, can’t use any game online services, some games don’t even work. At least if Steam goes down you can play offline or play something else none Steam.
The flaws affect even consoles’ weaker hardware. The servers for consoles are also affected by the flaw. PC is where great AAA exclusives are. PC game’s catalog dwarf consoles. PC has more hackers, because PC has more players.
Plus, you don’t have to fix a thing here. Just leave Windows Update on.
No, MS confirmed that Xbox consoles are not affected by this bug – Xbox use AMD CPU
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SERVERS, not consoles. When you play online games on consoles, the game is still hosted on SERVERS.
but the console itself is immune to meltdown.. not for spectre though
But PC in gaming related tasks and streaming rendering videos is not going to see a performance drop, searching around proves that, heavy related internet tasks and really fast storage could see some drops in performance, but we are talking faster storage and internet than most home PC’s could only dream of. I applied the patch and have not seen any decrease in performance in games, hell, my fire strike score went up by 300 points.
Do you know that Xbox Live servers and PSN servers get hacked right, so your server will be even more rubbish and slow.
“PC is where great AAA exclusives”
Like what? Am not a fan of RTS games so sadly those “Exclusives” don’t apply to me. But I prefer playing on PC than consoles.
Unless you’re an RTS fan or play a ton of online multiplayer games. I don’t see how PC has better exclusives than consoles. I guess its a matter of taste.
It’s a matter of having the largest library of games in existence. No console comes even close to PC. PCs were born with backwards compatibility. Add to that emulators: Zelda BOTW (last year GOTY) runs and plays better on PC. PC is the best platform, not only because of the better visuals, framerate, sound, peripherals, modding, customization, etc.; it’s just the best because of it’s library diversity.
Almost every AAA game released on cosoles and PC runs and plays better on PC. You can even see that as something exclusive for the PC: you have the exclusivity of getting the best experience, period.
Yes PC has more games, but I’m talking about “exclusive games” in which in my opinion consoles are superior. But once again this is purely subjective. PC’s get a ton of indie games and RTS games that consoles don’t have. If you prefer playing those types of games then I can see why you would say PC has better exclusives.
Long story short, I’d rather play lets say Horizon Zero Dawn over something like Civilization VI.
Any FPS/Third Person Shooter/Action RPG is way better on PC, not only because of better visuals/sound/framerate, but because of keyboard and mouse. Joysticks are crap in those type of games, period. PC not only has a vastly superior number of exclusive RTS or indies, there’re also a lot of great FPS, ARPGs, RPGs and Third Person Shooters that are not present in any console. There’re also mods to those titles that are a completely new experience. PC gaming library is the most diverse, by far.
Of course it comes down to preference, but denying the fact that PC’s library is and will be the greatest is just silly.
this is not PC gaming issue.
It is to a point where Online server could see a performance drop. Epic games already reported that this patch drove their CPU usage up from 25% to 60%, so Logging in and playing online could be a problem, but on your computer the game will run the same. I expect that more online games may see performance issues in the next up coming weeks.
This should effect all online based games regardless of the platform. For general consumer this most likely will not going to be much of an issue. But data center and server will be hit hard because of this. Intel really need this kind of wake up call. How about let other tech conpany able to license x86-64 ala ARM? For decades intel trying to lock x86 market for the existing player to prevent more conpetitor on x86 market.
But why keep visiting this site?
Because he’s a loser console pleb that doesn’t get enough hugs in real life.
98% of PC gamers still use hardware slower than consoles like Xbox X
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LOL dude a 480RX with 12GB of VRAM(all the xbox one x is) is slower then a 1070 with 8GB memory. Having 12GB of vram doesn’t mean jack $hit if its shared with the CPU too. Most PC gamers are easily using 8GB of ram which has lower latency then GDDR5 memory for CPU access and yeah most are using 2-8GB GPU’s but again it’s not all about he GPU!!!!
CPU in these consoles are a complete and utter joke that is why the xbox one X drops below 20fps at times. A Phenom II X4 and 1050Ti will beat a Xbox one X in PUBG in framerates now that’s sad.
Don’t feed the troll!
Xbox X doesnt use RX480 or RX580, it’s totally different GPU right now because of architecture changes and technology added by microsoft engineers. PS4P had RX480 chip but downclocked, and the thing is, Xbox X offers 2x resolution boost in many games compared to PS4P, bascially xbox X 6tflops GPU is as fast as 8.4tflops polaris architecture, all thanks to these changes in architecture. It really shows in games, for example rise of the tomb raider, GTX 1070 medium settings at native 4K, 25-35fps (if you dont belive, search for YT video “Can the GTX 1070 Handle Rise of the Tomb Raider at 4K”), while xbox X runs 4K native and HIGH settings. So in that particular game, xbox X has results at least as GTX 1070 on PC. Developers arrent sure for themselves, some suggest GTX 1060 level of performance, some 1070 or GTX 1080 level of performance (for example war thunder developer have compared xbox X compute power to GTX 1080), but most xbox X games shows performance like GTX 1070 (only wolfenstein 2 suggest GTX 1080 level of performance). I think xbox X is somewhere around GTX 1070 and 1080, that GPU is far faster than GTX 1060 for sure because even GTX 1060 users addmit themselves they cant match xbox X settings with similar results. For example one GTX 1060 user MaDz (he have YT channel about games and he made couple of xbox X vs his PC with GTX 1060 comparisons) have said he have 45fps dips on that GPU in forza 7 (while xbox X runs 60 fps at minimum in this game), and MaDz PC is 800$ already.
Of course xbox X has weak CPU, and it shows in CPU demanding games like PUBG, The Witcher 3, and even AC Origins, but I think gamers get amazing hardware for the price. Of course nothing beats good PC with 1080ti, you can run native 4K but also get 60fps in most games but the thing is, I have paid similar amount of money for my asus strix 1080ti OC, as for both PS4P and xbox X, and not to mention other components costs. Nothing can beat xbox X when it comes to price/performance ratio you get in games, MaDz PC is 800$ and that’s even without windows 10 price included.
Xbox one X uses the same architecture as Polaris and its just about as powerful as a 480 that’s the point.
Xbox one X is no where near the power of a 1070 or 1080 their is more to gaming performance then TFLOP numbers if that is all that mattered VEGA 56 would be crushing a 1080 by 15-20% and its clearly not and its basically as between a 1070 and 1080.
Also Forza= crappy POS PC port completely irreverent to this discussion also Microsoft engineers don’t make CPU’s, GPU’s or anything they use other companies like Amd.
Xbox X use polaris / vega architecture mix (for example it has delta color compression from vega) and on top of that microsoft engineers have made their own changes, there are articles in regards to that. PS4P is already close to RX480 performance wise (it’s downclocked RX480) but xbox X GPU renders TWICE as many pixels in games with just 1.6 tflops more! All of that thanks to it’s architecture. I have compared many games, and xbox X GPU results are clearly way above RX 480 or GTX 1060, on pair with GTX 1070 most of the time, sometimes even better. War thunder develooer have said xbox X GPU compute power is close to GTX 1080, and indeed some games suggest performance like that, because you have to own GTX 1080 on PC to get similar results.
When it comes to forza 7, it’s very good port, one of the best. Even on single cire that game runs perfectly and GPU requirements are very low.
The Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 G1 Gaming gets 47 FPS at 4K/Very High in Rise of the Tomb Raider (vs. 60 FPS for the GTX 1080 G1 Gaming and 77 FPS for the FE 1080 Ti). The Xbox One X consistently gets 30 FPS or slightly below that on whatever mix of medium and high settings it runs at. It would be hard to argue against the value of the Xbox One X when it comes to performance but it doesn’t come close to a card like the 1070.
Man I have 2GHz 1080ti, asus strix OC version to be exact, so I know how rise of the tomb raider runs on my PC. 40-60 fps most of the time, not 77 fps, although in some levels performance can go up to 90fps, and build in benchmark suggest over 60 fps. Even using HIGH settins I still dont get locked 60fps (55 fps dips). In order to get solid 60fps with maxed out details I have to run that game at 1800p. I’m guessing you dont have 1080ti, so you base your conclusions on simple benchmarks, but the thing is most benchmark sites test simple scenario that doesnt reflect performance in other areas. But there are few very good sites, that tests also demanding locations, and in benchmarks like that 1080ti scores 45 fps, while GTX 1070 25fps (pclab benchmark chart for example).
When it comes to GTX 1070, that card is far from 47 fps if you run that game maxed out. Even with medium details that cards dips below 30fps easily as you can see in this YT gameplay, just search for that video on youtube: “can GTX can run rise of the tomb raider at 4K”
As you can see, that card barely runs medium settings while Xbox X run high details at 4K native (or maxed out details at 4K checkerboard resolution mode).
Both of you are missing something. Xbone and Xbone X use a shared memory structure. Those 12 GB the xbox has are split between regular RAM and VRAM. So the most an xbone game is likely to use for VRAM is 8 GB. In actuality, It commonly ends up being split 6 for RAM, 6 for VRAM.
No i’m not a developer but i can guarantee certain games use more or less then 6GB of VRAM and ram at a given time instead its dynamically used most likely with no value set in stone.
Either way it only has 12GB of memory for the CPU and GPU where most modern gaming PC’s today have around the same amount.
Also as stated before GPU is just ONE part of the gaming machine the CPU matters quite a lot too. Having a 1080Ti and pairing it with a CPU weaker then a Athlon 950 isn’t a good idea.
Jaguar is weaker then A57 arm cores found in modern 200$ tablets. Even with all the compute power in the world a 6Tflop GPU won’t save the xbox one x from dropping below 30fps in games.
Xbox one X sucks as a brilliant design it’s not balanced its to much GPU without enough CPU to back it up. Luckily 4K should still be possible but with most titles at 30FPS and sadly it won’t change much by dropping the restitution down to 1080P either.
If they put a 4Tflop GPU in it with a Ryzen 4C/8T part i would actually be defending the xbox one x as being a balanced console instead its gonna fail as a true 4K console and it can’t handle keeping a nice smooth frame rate.
Ever made a game for Xbone? You have to allocate your desired amount of VRAM
OK well i’m a developer for the xbox one x so i wouldn’t know for sure on that either way 12GB of memory is all it has, my PC for example has 16GB of ram and a 8GB 1080 others have much more. Sure the average user has about the same amount of memory as the xbox one x but again the CPU is actually stronger then jaguar.
I believe one of the RAM values has to be capped so that you don’t get both being used at once. Yes, it does dynamically change, but I am, fairly certain the locked VRAM is still in place, the developer sets what they want though.
“Jaguar is weaker then A57 arm cores found in modern 200$ tablets. Even with all the compute power in the world a 6Tflop GPU won’t save the xbox one x from dropping below 30fps in games.”
Do you have a source for that? I knew it was weak but not that weak. I’d like to see the numbers.
Hey Sp4ctr0, here is the reality of your supposedly “True 4k” Xbox One X-
Titanfall 2 – Sub 4k Dynamic Resolution, Drops to 1440p!
Sonic Forces – 1080p to 1800p!
Diablo 3 – Sub 4k Dynamic Resolution!
Quantum Break – Checkerboard 1440p!
Assassin’s Creed Origins – Sub 4k Dynamic Resolution, Drops to 1656p!
Ark: Survival – 1440p!
Homefront: The Revolution – 1800p!
Project Cars 2 – 1440p to 1620p!
Anthem – Checkerboard ?!
Final Fantasy XV – 1360p to 1890p!
Fallout 4 – Sub 4k Dynamic Resolution!
Skyrim Special Edition – Sub 4k Dynamic Resolution!
Dishonored 2 – Sub 4k Dynamic Resolution!
Halo 5 – Sub 4k Dynamic Resolution, Drops to 1584p!
Wolfenstein 2 – Sub 4k Dynamic Resolution, Drops to 1656p!
Pubg – 4k, 10-30fps!
Witcher 3 – Sub 4k Dynamic Resolution, Drops to 1800p!
Redout – 1080p, Drops to 40-50fps!
That list is correct, but the thing is dynamic 4K looks amazing, and if you have 4K HDTV you will be blow away eitherway because from my viewing distance it looks like native 4K. In order to run these games at better settings on PC like 4K native and 60fps (instead of 30fps), you have to own really high end GPU like 1080ti. I have 1080ti myself and even that GPU is not fast enough to run every game 4K 60fps maxed out, so no wonder cheap console cant run 4K native in every game.
Most gamers doesnt even have GTX 1060 according to stats, and here’s how GTX 1060 run xbox X game (results from YT gameplay video “Wolfenstein 2 / II The New Colossus – GTX 1060 – G4560 – 1080p – 1440p – 4K – Benchmark)
GTX 1060 results:
4K native, LOW settings, 30-45fps
4K dynamic, LOW and some medium settings 45-55fps
Xbox X reuslts:
4K dynamic (2016p most of the time), almost maxed out settings, 55-60fps
In order to get similar results in this particular game, you have to own MUCH faster GPU compared to GTX 1060 and that’s why many people bought xbox X, because xbox X price/performance ratio of is unmatched.
Only poor people belive in PCMR or console supremacy. Most gamers with money buy both consoles and PC, because that way they can enjoy every game. I have PC, and both PS4P and xbox X myself and that way I dont need to hate these consoles.
If anything you’ve been too kind there by not having mentioned the abysmal frame-rates plus other pared back graphics settings for several more of the games mentioned for Microsoft’s latest chronically underwhelming weak sauce console!
meanwhile my monster ryzen 1700 16 gb 3200 mhz gtx 970 on 24” 2560×1440 60 hz ips monitor plays all games at max settings 1440p with more than 30 fps! And most of them look almost like real like ghost recon wildlands that iam playing now!
Sp4ctr0 has to dream about most games on his Xbone X running at a stable mere 30fps. I say that mockingly but also because it’s true. Microsoft’s woeful new console really is that poor and Digital Foundry have repeatedly shown it to be so.
Its ironic how most members of “the master race” have hardware worse than consoles.
After extensive research, i have found a photo of Sp4ctr0!
It appears he was that guy from the XBX promotion video-
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Too funny!
u are near a 480 max 1060… keep dreaming 😀
um dude consoles are also acceptable to spectre
Console gaming is dead at this point? I have bought xbox X and PS4P not so long time ago and more than 20 console exclusives games lately, all of them all AMAZING games. In comparsion to that, I didnt bought even single PC exclusive game during the last year. If you look at PC exclusives list that John have wrote few days ago, you will see indie RPG games etc. and not even single game from that list interest me.
There will always be more hackers on PC though, I’ve gamed on PC since 2002 and I’ve seen my fair share of hackers/cheaters. But of course it seems to be dealt with faster on PC than on Console.
wait a second 90% will be patched next week?
what was the window update released 2 days ago? was it not it?
i have a 3770k at 4.2ghz after the update i almost had no impact on my gaming apart shadow of war where i lost 4-5fps compared to older benchmarks…should i expect the upcoming patches/fixes to make my cpu even more slower? or my cpu have been already addressed?
watch joker’s video, it was only a software patch, you need the other patch for microcode or whatever for it to work, so measure the impact after the full fix
That was the meltdown security patch for INTEL cou only.. now intel needs to given an update for spectre and some other flaws.. it will be fun
Hm…
– yet they did sold CPUs with straight faces without info in brochures that this product is bugged
– yet Krzanich sold all his stocks before announcement so hi did not loose his money while I did loose my money purchasing this POS 7900X (and I did loose silicon lottery as my unit on mild OC to 4.3 will hit 105*C++ on 360mm AiO).
– yet Intel didn’t mention this in last year because they would be DOA vs Epyc
What a wonderful world we do live in.
it’s not a bug. it’s a feature of modern CPU’s that somebody found that can be used to access information.
I’m not a person to defend Intel but i will say we don’t know for sure if they knew about this i feel like they didn’t if they did they would have fixed it by now.
Again i’m a Ryzen 7 owner who used to own Haswell I7 and enjoyed that experience too.
But we do know that they did know about this issue at least half a year ago, google project zero, google informed all CPU vendors at around June 2017, Meltdown issue CVE-2017-5715, cve format is year then issue number.
Krzanich did sold his stock for 24mil, now they took a hit and dropped by 3 to 5% (didn’t checked lately, so maybe even more) that saves him around 720k/1.2mil $$$. Without knowledge about meltdown he would loose that money, same as I did loose purchasing theirs product.
Yes they knew the issue existed then but what do you want them to do come out and tell the world before 6 months of work goes into fixing the issue exposing the issue to the world which includes hackers?
Again makes me sick to type this but its simply true they had to do it now i will agree that the CEO sure in the hell looks suspicious selling stock knowing this was going to come out just a few weeks later.
Personally I think they should, Samsung selling defective product refund customers and, IMHO, Intel should give at least option to the customers to refund, if they do wish so. I know that at least I would be very tempted to return my i9.
If they said that there is hardware issue with their CPUs that could mean anything and hackers either way do dig into that all the time so noting really would change… well it would change completely selling landscape for Intel CPU, especially looking at above CPU performance above.
What Intel did was best choice indeed, but for them, to loose as little money as they could.
I just wonder now if this has anything to do with AMD GPU inside Intel CPUs. I mean AMD had clearly upper hand here and both companies knew about this issue at TR/Epyc launch so now I do speculate that’s why AMD kept their mouth shut.
I agree with the refund part but man you don’t want to expose these issues before a fix is coming its like saying i have my door unlocked and i hope to get it fixed in 6 months.
I was planning to buy Intel 8th Gen in January, I am so glad I didn’t
BUY RYZEN 7 like i did on march 2017! i HAD core i5 2500k until then that got burned and forced me to upgrade so i bought ryzen 1700.
Isn’t it almost a year old? will AMD announce their new cpu this year?
Ryzen 2nd generation CPU’s are coming out this April.
??? ??? ????????
I meant the 2018 ryzen 7 that releases on April. The 2017 ryzen 7 were released on March and i bought it on March 29. Just wait 2 more months and then buy ryzen 2700.
oh now i saw it it is on april. So just wait 3 months and then buy ryzen 2700 when it releases.
Myself and I’m guessing a lot of people knew about Intel’s scummy behavior throughout their history. And karma just came back to bite them in the a$$ hard.
Probably AMD CPU are not affected – MS confirmed that Xbox One consoles don’t need special patch.
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amd is immune to meltdown
The spectacular spectre of Sp4ctr0 trolling about Spectre who himself is as mad as Phil Spector while being especially in love with Phil Spencer!
yes we get it you make love with your xbox one x GTFO
Shame that Xbox Live isn’t immune to this. What do you think those servers run on?
I don’t see the Pentium 4 generation of CPU on this list… but who would want to go back to Pentium 4 anyway ?
Gamer dilemma – Update vs Performance.
or just use amd which is immune to meltdown
…but not to spectre.
No one is… not even ibm nor if you believe it or not nintendo switch it seems.. spectre is not good but it is harder to exploit.
I read somewhere that spectre can’t even be trigger remotely. It’s a hard exploit to pull. Take it with a grain of salt, it’s all speculation right now…
Intel is not going to see a performance drop for gaming scenarios, I suggest you read up more about it, AMD well, Specter is going to get patches on the OS level eventually, so they will probably see a performance change as well, but again in games they would most likely remain unchanged. Servers running Xeon’s then yes you will most likely see an impact in performance like epic games is seeing.
I never said that.. and all of this is not over yet there is still the spectre mitigation to be tested when all fo this is over.. it is not all about avg fps
INTEL
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0789c4184d765f798e847a5d80c892c270fc361212226fc52bcd1fabcb0d36aa.png
Haha, and people were saying that gamers wouldn’t notice a big difference after this bug gets fixed.
They wont on their own Machines, meaning FPS should be the same, but server stuff well… that also affects AMD users as the servers are Xeon based.
I only have Intel CPUs in my computers, by the way.
Many people play online games, so this bug can cause some problems.
Also, isn’t the proper patch yet to be released? Who knows what impact will it have on games?
Windows 10 insider builds on the fast ring you can already get the patch, Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 you can get it from Microsoft’s website, Normal users will get the patch on the 9th.
This problem was discovered around June 2017, they didn’t want to spill the beans so the main stream hackers wouldn’t know it was a thing until they could patch it.
Really like I said servers are going to get the performance hit, the users would see next to no hit in performance as the games, other than them servers that are affected you’d see laggy performance due to the servers being overloaded.
I also have a i5 5820k an i7 3770s, a G620 in a Asus All in one, and a FX8320, I applied the update to all these PC’s and performance remains the same as far as I can tell, my 5820k system actually got a 300 – 400 point increase in Firestrike for some reason.
As far as I know, the Windows patch is just the preliminary one and Intel is going to release their own fix. It that’s true, we still don’t know the final performance hit.
“This problem was discovered around June 2017, they didn’t want to spill the beans so the main stream hackers wouldn’t know it was a thing until
they could patch it.”
Couldn’t they keep this information secret indefinitely? Or was it hackers who discovered the vulnerability?
I’m pretty sure it was some security firm that works with Google that found it, kinda hard to tell right now as some sites I herd some Linux group found it.
Then I think releasing this info to the public was a stupid move. It basically only helped thieves. Microsoft should release a patch and then, in the face of complaints about performance, explain vaguely that they needed to do this because of security flaws.
I agree, though not sure if true or not, only reason we found out is from leaked information, thats what’s making all of the OS’s freak up and hurry up and update.
not for spectre
Sp4ctr0 WCCTF Village fool.
He came to troll here for a bit with his Xfag propaganda.
3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors
So X79 and Sandy/Ivy Bridge-E is not affected?
It is, not for normal gaming tasks or every day tasks, Server stuff yes they will be affected more than the 4th Gen and newer CPU’s but gaming will remain that same. Tech Yes City on youtube did a test on gaming with the patch. I have not see any performance issues with the patch myself. Servers are whats going to be effected, so if you are doing server side work loads, you might see some problems with performance.
I Don’t believe people still praise them even after another big fail and They lie straight in consumer face.
I bet there is more of shady actions like that from the past, but no one brought them into the light because was silenced 😉
People will still gonna say intel is better anyway LOL
You don’t understand do you?
Says the AMD fanboy.
even 30% perfomance impact it’s still better than amd.. sorry im not intel fan
“It will affect only multiplayer gamers.”
So 80 percent of gamers then?
keep to your single player games then.
Results are correct, you can look at this GTX 1060 wolfenstein 2 video for yourself, because I have included informations how to find that video on YT in my previous post. My PC can run most games in 4K 60fps so I know how native 4K looks like, but on HDTV it’s not possible to see dynamic 4K resolution fluctuations, even from up close, and even Digital Foundry have said the same thing. I have compared many games on xbox X and my PC with 1080ti, and these xbox x games holds very well. The most noticeable difference is framerate, but not pucture quality (that aspect looks stunning on xbox X).
Here is a crazy question…. :
Can i avoid the “fix/update”? I don’t care if i get hacked or lose passwords on my gaming (singleplayer) laptop. I don’t do anything else on it. They can hack it to hell, but i don’t want a slower CPU. I need every FPS i can get, cuz thin laptops SUCK for gaming. I don’t want them even worse…
So, am I safe? My i7 3770 runs on 22nm technology or should i download the patch coming out Tuesday. Is Intel going to add more to the cpu list that is being affected by the Meltdown and Spectre security flaw. Any info is appreciated.
A list? is more easy to say ALL THE INTEL PROCESSORS and done.
This game has AMAZING optimiasation. Of course Forza 7 use single core (for improved controler latency reason as developer have said) and some people cry about that fact, but even with just single core forza 7 runs well over 100 fps on modern CPU’s, so I have no problems with that. There were some stuttering problems at launch, but windows 10 update has fixed stuttering completely, and even John wrote about that later on.
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/windows-10-fall-creators-update-completely-fixes-forza-motorsport-7s-stuttering-issues/
“It appears that all of Forza Motorsport 7’s PC issues have been resolved
with the Windows 10 Fall Creators update. The game now runs silky
smooth, there are no loading issues (previously the game could freeze
while selecting a race) and there are no stuttering issues.”
This game runs with around 120fps maxed out settings at 4K on SINGLE 1080ti, and it’s the best looking racing game on PC at the same time. If you have problems with that game on your PC, you either VERY OLD PC, or no PC at all.
> Like what? Its mostly online shooters which ironically the people in
this site hate. Ever see the comments of a battlegrounds article?
Like the STALKER saga, the Half-Life saga, the best 2 Crysis games, No One Lives Forever 2, A LOT of online competitive PC shooters (does not matter if they’re liked here or not). Mate, the list is just to big. PC has the largest library for a reason. Add to that Mods, some of which are really good.
If you’d like some consoles exclusives, fine by me. It comes down to preference. But it can’t be denied that PC has the best and most diverse game collection out there.
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