A couple of weeks ago, we had the pleasure of interviewing id Software’s Tiago Sousa and Axel Gneiting. And as you may have guessed, we asked the team about the advantages of OpenGL over DX11 (and vise versa) and why it chose Vulkan over DX12.
As Axel told us, OpenGL has a bigger feature set through extensions and it is less restrictive in terms of certain GPU operations, something that was ideal for what id Software was going for.
“Overall we had very little issues developing DOOM with OpenGL. DirectX 11 might have an advantage when it comes to optimizations on driver side, as more effort was put into that over the years by the IVHs compared to OpenGL. Also admittedly, there is a broader range of tools that work with DirectX than OpenGL at this point in time. On the other hand, OpenGL has a bigger feature set through extensions and it is less restrictive in terms of certain GPU operations.”
As for DX12 and Vulkan, Alex had this to say:
“DirectX 12 and Vulkan are conceptually very similar and both clearly inherited a lot from AMD’s Mantle API efforts. The low level nature of those APIs moves a lot of the optimization responsibility from the driver to the application developer, so we don’t expect big differences in speed between the two APIs in the future. On the tools side there is very good Vulkan support in RenderDoc now, which covers most of our debugging needs. We choose Vulkan, because it allows us to support Windows 7 and 8, which still have significant market share and would be excluded with DirectX 12. On top of that Vulkan has an extension mechanism that allows us to work very closely with AMD, NVIDIA and Intel to do very specific optimizations for each hardware.”
Our full tech interview will go live this weekend, so stay tuned for more!
John is the founder and Editor in Chief at DSOGaming. He is a PC gaming fan and highly supports the modding and indie communities. Before creating DSOGaming, John worked on numerous gaming websites. While he is a die-hard PC gamer, his gaming roots can be found on consoles. John loved – and still does – the 16-bit consoles, and considers SNES to be one of the best consoles. Still, the PC platform won him over consoles. That was mainly due to 3DFX and its iconic dedicated 3D accelerator graphics card, Voodoo 2. John has also written a higher degree thesis on the “The Evolution of PC graphics cards.”
Contact: Email
“We choose Vulkan, because it allows us to support Windows 7 and 8, which
still have significant market share and would be excluded with DirectX
12”
Let’s wait and see if Ubisoft share the same thing with id Software.
Let’s wait and see if Ubisoft’s ukranian pc porting studio shares the same thing with id Software
Fixed
This is a trend I hope to see grow. At least until 2020, when support for 7 stops.
Amen.
Wait & see Windows 10 adoption rates by the end of 2016…..
Oh, I’m going to enjoy seeing those numbers drop big 😀
Post them 24/7 like that Amiga guy loves doing. He seems to want to wave his e-peen around like no ones business, all because Valve didn’t adhere to his country lol.
Allegedly. I’m not fully convinced anymore, he pushed Windows 10 & UWP too strongly to be just an “Anti-Steam” guy.
“A couple of weeks ago, we had the pleasure of interviewing id Software’s Tiago Sousa and Axel Gneiting. ”
Oh and you kept it secret?
“Our full tech interview will go live this weekend, so stay tuned for more!”
Damn you teasing us.
Can’t wait for the full interview, you are doing dog’s work John! 🙂
Also, f*ck Microsoft.
Vulkan also works on Linux whereas DX12 obviously does not.
If gaming companies choose Vulkan for wide adoption rates, I will have ZERO reason to keep using Windows.
Preach!
You’d also need the games to have Linux versions before that. Supporting Vulkan doesn’t necessarily mean you automatically get to play on Linux. Windows isn’t going anywhere and Linux on desktop will never catch on in the short term.
You sound so butthurt, but it doesnt matter, 7 years ago Windows were irrelevant for most developers, do you remember that, or you forgot that fact whent it is convenient to you? LOL.
In the last GDC europe there was a survey done to developers about what Platforms they plan to release their games, it show 17% of the developers plans to release their games for Linux, and this is huge if you think that there were a lot of devs there,pc, console, mobile ones.
Even the number for WINDOWS/MAC were 27% which leaves that 10% to any chance of seeing a linux port after release.
I didnt knew that Tomb Raider, Borderlands, Dying Light, Shadow of Mordor, Alien, Company of Heroes, Football Manager, Shadow Warrior and others were indie games.
When it comes to Linux gaming you microsoft zealots, behave worst than those elitist console players and “you cannot play uncharted” argument. Stop being so butthurt and enjoy your spyware OS.
I’m not butthurt, I’m stating facts. I’m OS-agnostic – I go wherever the games are. I also use Linux for work as well. Been that way since 2001. You’re seriously comparing the Linux gaming library to that of Windows? Give me a break. And all this coming from you is amusing. Aren’t you the hypocrite who bashes on Windows 10 while using it himself? Please pi$s off.
Semantics! Currr-ses!
“OS independent” is worse, since it means that he has no OS.
Lol who did you say was butthurt? topkek
there is still a lot to go to reach the same framerate or better on linux than windows. for now its close enough to w8.1
Also i have a huge problem with my linuxmint. it feels like the games (tomb raider/dota/mordor/and games played by wine) are not cached in memory as good as the windows version. it keeps loading the game while playing resulting in lots of freezing scenarios.
And now about this article. The Id devs really are greate. They probably had to take a risk with vulkan….but now that vulkan is available for all windows version im curious how big is their gain 🙂
too bad they dont want/plan to release a linux version for doom.
And people should not forget that most upgrades to windows 10 among gamers was for dx12 (unless it was forced).
I got rid of w10 after a week at most.
I hope devs will start developing with vulkan api more and more…so i wont be force to move to w10 cause of lack of dx12
That’s a different tone for you, Edwin.
While that’s mostly true, there is at least one advantage for Linux users regardless of whether devs port the game: it becomes much more likely that the games work on Wine. iD kinda messed up there because of the DRM, but it does help in general.
Oh, and of course it makes the porting effort easier…
“If gaming companies choose Vulkan for wide adoption rates”
All confirmed Vulkan games:
– The Talos Principle
– Dota 2
– Doom
All confirmed DX12 games:
– Battlefield 1
– Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
– Forza Horizon 3 (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– Quantum Break (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– Civilization VI
– Watch Dogs 2
– Gears of War 4 (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– Halo Wars 2 (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– ReCore (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– Forza Motorsport 6: Apex (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– Total War: Warhammer
– Hitman
– Gears of War Ultimate Edition (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– Crackdown 3 (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– Dead Rising 4 (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– Rise of the Tomb Raider
– Star Citizen
– Ashes of the Singularity
– Forge Halo 5: Guardians Edition (W10, Xbox exclusive)
– The Elder Scrolls Online
– Survarium
– Caffeine
– Squad
– Descent: Underground
– Rust
– Heroes & Generals
– Ark: Survival Evolved
– Heroes & Generals
– King of Wushu
🙂 im curious what will happen when they’ll notice that the sales are not so good? 🙂
Why? On Steam and Origin is more DX12 users than DX11 users. Check Steam Survey
😀
for now. we’ll see later on…when people will realize that they dont have the hardware for dx12.
does that survey also includes the video card that those dx12 users have?
“does that survey also includes the video card that those dx12 users have?”
Yes. Currently 70% of Steam users have “DX12 ready GPU”
nice. thanks for that info.
now lets see how ready dx12 are the 900 series 🙂
that
means 70% have already dx12 gpu. but since nvidia just release the 1000
series that i still have doubts about how good implements dx12……
and since nvidia has 56%+ in those surveys
and amd only 25%+….and so far amd actually supports dx12 better than nvidia….
ill say that the percentage of users that actually has dx12 support is around 35%
but if 900 series is full dx12 then the dx12 support will be huge compared to others.
but then again, vulkan is also supported by all gpus that supports dx12 and you dont need w10 for that 🙂
Irrelevant. Completely, absolutely, ridiculously irrelevant.
I have a “DX12-ready” GPU, so what? It means absolutely nothing, as I’m not upgrading to Windows 10 any time soon.
Stick to calling out the % of DX12 + Windows 10 Users – 41.39%.
???? Why stay with a old version of Windows? I have no problem at all with Windows 10. I have migrated all my old Win 7 and 8 to 10, free and nobody complain! 🙂
Because people don’t want to have Microsoft’s Spyware 10 probing their *nuses, stealth-updating to possibly broken (it’s happened many times already), or just unwanted updates, & stealth-reporting vast amounts of information to Microsoft even after being told not to.
Beyond the associated security risks, it’s also a massive privacy invasion. Not to mention the hideous monochromatic colour palette they decided to switch to ever since Windows 8 (because apparently the ’80s are back in fashion?), the Start Menu advertisements & Metro apps, & the ridiculous “pay for Minesweeper Premium” features, amongst other things.
“Because people don’t want to have Microsoft’s Spyware 10 probing their *nuses, stealth-updating to possibly broken (it’s happened many times already), or just unwanted updates, & stealth-reporting vast amounts of information to Microsoft even after being told not to.”
So, because you don’t want! How old are you?
lol……ya!!!! Conspirationnist ! Do you know, vista, 7 and 8 have the same “spy”. And if you really want to be free of be spy….don’t use internet, a PC or a cell phone….good luck !
You’re funny!
So wait, your argument is that I should upgrade to Windows 10 because I’m not a child?
Wow, what a great argument! No, truly, it’s amazing. It’s stunning to think, the unbelievable level of IQ it must have taken to conceive such an argument, it is truly something to be revered. Sublime, I tell you, unbelievably sublime!
I mean, why even bother pointing out that Windows 10’s spyware is by far vastly expanded compared to the one present in Windows 7 in light of such an overwhelming pro-Windows 10 argument?
Why even bother mentioning the NSA & CISCO, in light of such an argument? Why even bother mentioning Snowden & the NSA, in light of such an argument? Why even bother mentioning anything in light of such a beautifully phrased argument. Truly, why? Why, I ask, why?
I should just do this, instead, I think; /facepalm.
Yeah, that seems about right.
“So wait, your argument is that I should upgrade to Windows 10 because I’m not a child?”
No.
It’s your UNBELIAVABLE level of IQ make me ask if you are old you are !
You still complain about Windows 10 spyware!!! You know it’s so easy to bypass….like 7 and 8 !
NO, i am not mentioning all the garbage you write….
You bash Windows 10 with pointless arguments.
You talk about security risk…like spying and stay with a old Windows version? BRAVO !!!!!!
You know, we always heard more about negative people…and shi tty ideas..
Tu me décourage, avant de dire que Windows 10 est de la merde, augmente ton QI un peu !
/amazing /morron
By “bypass” I take it you mean “turn off” using the Microsoft-supplied settings panel? The very settings I mentioned earlier, which, as it turns out, do not do anywhere near as much as they claim to do in regards to turning off the Spyware? Those “bypass” measures?
Or are you referring to the Registry Edits you can make, since Microsoft refuses to provide simple, straightforward settings like they have been doing for who-even-remembers-how-long by now? Yeah, hey, that’s great… I can turn off Automatic Updates by digging into my Registry Settings. Just what I wanted! Yay.
(I don’t use Wi-Fi on my tower, so the “Metered Connection” option is automatically out of my reach).
“All the garbage” yeah, I guess it’s hard to argue with logical, constructive arguments when all you’ve got is blind fanboyism going for you, isn’t it.
“Pointless”? Orly? How so, exactly? Perhaps you meant “worthless”, alternatively? Regardless, nice comeback. I especially love how you fail to address my argument entirely, in favour of just blindly dismissing it, “because.”
Yeah, it’s such a security risk to stay with Windows 7…… I mean, with all the shady-as-f*ck sites I keep clicking on every day, it’s a miracle I haven’t already been hacked, right? Yeah…..
Oh sure, Windows 10 has its benefits, but are they worth the trade-off? Not for me, & not for many others.
“If it’s not broken, why fix it?”
No i used tool available on web to disable Microsoft spyware.
And i stop arguing with you, stay with the old stuff, it’s your choice ! I don’t want to loose my time anymore with you, good luck!
You only listed games that already out for Vulkan and included every promise for dx12 in the second list. This is like… Ugh.. Lying?
Only confirmed games. All of them. Source: wikipedia
I wonder if the release dates of Direct3D 12 and Vulkan have anything to do with it…
“Windows 7 could be used indefinitely for gaming”
Steam users don’t agree. They already choose Windows 10 64-bit
what if win10 upgrade is not free and there is no annoying notification that keep nagging win 7 and win 8 user to upgrade to win 10?
All those users choose W10 because its free upgrade and have DX12. Its simple choice. If you want fast DX12 then you do free upgrade, if you want old slow DX11 then you stay on W7. Simple
You clearly didn’t understand what he said.
But you get Vulkan for free regardless of whether you upgrade or not. So there’s that. 🙂
Only ID Software and Valve will use Vulkan, all other developers always use DirectX. Check wikipedia:
DX12 – 28 confirmed games
Vulkan – 3 confirmed games
I add full list of all confirmed DX12 and Vulkan games on one of my comment below. You also can go directly to wikipedia
Huh.
I hadn’t realised Croteam was purchased by Valve. Or was it id?
Huh….. Weird, it’s still listed as an Independent Studio.
Hmmm…. Must be a mistake, right? I mean, only Valve & id use Vulkan, after all………….
Amiga 4000: this does not surprise me, considering DX12 has been out for a while longer. It only takes time. Then again, people migrating away from Windows 7 also takes time, but in that in-between lull, everyone benefits. That’s definitely good.
Vulkan is much younger so this is not fair comparison. For DX12 speaks XBOX1 as they both using DX12 and for lot of developers this will be very big deal. On the other hand Vulkan is on linux all used Windows versions and Android, problem is none of those platforms can really gain from high-end HW Windows 10 customers usually have. Clear is most of games developed for XBOX and PC will use DX12, it is very obvious choice. Shame PS4 dont have vulkan 🙁
>Check wikipedia:
There are two games which support vulkan already: talos and dota 2.
And all major game engins support vulkan already or will support vulkan in the nearest future.
Look, Microsoft has semi-sentient bots now! They almost have the intellect of a 7-years-old.
41.39% of Steam Users have Windows 10 + a “DX12-compatible” GPU (I’m assuming that includes the Nvidia 900 series, so it’s already an exaggerated number, technically speaking).
44.46% of Steam Users just have Windows 10, without adding in DX12 compatibility.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the real DX12+Win 10 Steam numbers are something closer to say ~35%.
However, these numbers are only about ~70% accurate when we go industry-wide in the first place, since only so many people use Steam &/or consent to the Survey in the first place.
Fermi supposed to be DX12 capable, yet nvidia still have not released any drivers for it, not sure how valid are those numbers, but it is still not that many people, especially if you consider how much PC spend on games, profit on consoles for developers is way higher.
Wouldn’t you still use Windows because Linux has no games?
For now. Microsoft’s losing trust, however. Hard.
That would only be true if Linux had no games though… (Linux gamer here, have a big backlog of games yet to play)
I don’t know how the hell you could find them.
Virtually no games that I play are available on Linux.
What titles do you play?
I’m afraid it’s like scraping the bottom of the barrel. If those leftovers are – serendipitously – the games you like, you may enjoy Linux. But for the most people, I guess there are way too few titles.
The problem is devs will not using windows 7 in the future.
Says who? Says what? AmigaBot 4000? The passage of time?
At best, that’s currently a maybe, considering the never-ending controversy surrounding DX12.
Right now it looks more like no matter what plans Microsoft may have had for Windows 10 (likely abandoning the numbering & successors in favour of kind sort of “Windows – a Cloud-based Operating System Service”), they’re going to be forced to change them, & launch a new OS that addresses the controversies sooner or later. One that’s not riddled with privacy & security concerns, for example, & isn’t shoved down everyone’s throats because Microsoft has a quota to reach, no matter who &/or what.
The main problem with DX12 after all is that it requires Windows 10. Remove that from the equation, & people would very willingly adopt DX12.1, or whatnot (especially if they dropped that hideous ’80s monochrome colouring scheme they’ve been trying so desperately to push ever since Windows 8, in my personal opinion).
Still, Windows 7 will likely fade out in due time. Windows XP was massively popular for a long time, but its time ran out and it’s effectively dead at this point.
What’s sad is I actually like Windows 10 from a UI and feature standpoint (minus the terrible start menu, which is fixed with Classic Start anyways), but Microsoft cannot seem to create an OS without going full totalitarian these days. From the horrible privacy violations to shoving upgrades down everyone’s throats, they get worse with every release.
I switched to Windows 10 (with Spybot Anti-Beacon of course) because I know eventually I’ll need it for DX12, but I’m desperately hoping Vulkan picks up enough support to make Linux gaming more viable. The sooner everyone jumps ship from Windows the better, as Microsoft cannot be trusted whatsoever.
Windows XP was massively popular until Microsoft fixed Vista, & in turn, released Windows 7. Basically; until something actually, clearly better came along.
People assumed the same would be the case with Windows 8; it wasn’t, even with 8.1 “redeeming” the OS (partly). Now they’re assuming it’ll be the same with Windows 10. It may be, eventually, but I doubt it’ll be before Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 & tries again, as there’s just way too much controversy marring Windows 10 even a year later.
Apple’s been increasing encryption protocols further & further lately in response to Government intrusiveness, & Microsoft loves to copy/paste Apple ideas, so there is at least a chance that they’ll eventually come around, assuming the US Federal Government doesn’t get some kind of a presidential order to stop them from doing so….. *tinfoil hat.*
Regardless, Microsoft’s Spyware bullsh*t has overreached now, as it’s no longer affecting just their “secondary” private users, but also their Enterprise users, due to their “One OS” stratagem. Businesses abroad have already been becoming further & further alienated from US hardware & software these last few years because of overreaching US laws & spy programs (google CISCO & the NSA, you’d be amazed what they’ve had the balls to do), so Windows 10’s intrusive Spyware is really just yet another excuse for foreign businesses to move away from US software & hardware, which in turn means serious long-term & short-term income losses for the Microtards.
Really, I still have no idea what they were thinking, launching a Spyware OS in an era where everyone is getting more & more paranoid about Government tech probing…….
but user will. and developer always looking at their potential market.
I love the fact that vulkan works on Win7,8,10. Gawd damn ms with their DX12 bshyte.
Good point, I missed that when I skimmed the story.
And they might. I certainly find disturbing the fact that Pascal so far hasn’t show near the same level of performance improvements (if at all) AMD shows on Vulkan/DX12. Yes, someone could come out and say “their async is different than AMD’s and it will take time before they take advantage of it”… but I find interesting, to use a word, that before Doom, nobody mentioned that. Hopefully it doesn’t happen that way.
“id Software on why it chose Vulkan over DirectX 12
“they payed us too” is what im getting here.
“paid”
Really? So who paid them to adopt the open-source software known as Vulkan, exactly?
I mean, if we were discussing id Software getting paid to choose DX12 over Vulkan, I’d say it’s obvious who paid them, but in this version of the argument, I can’t understand that accusation at all.
Unless you’re implying the Khronos Group is now bribing developers into adopting Vulkan? And, if so, instead of starting with die-hard age-old Direct3D pushers, they decided to bribe someone who’d have most likely taken Vulkan for free, regardless, since id Software has a decades-long history of using OpenGL over DirectX?
Huh. That’s some real smart business strategy they got going right there. Wow, kudos Khronos Group, you’ve cracked capitalism! Quick! Somebody! Call Fortune 500! We’ve got a new #1!
most likely valve. they hate dx12 and want vulkan to take off so they can push steam OS. deal with it kiddo.
Cool story, “kiddo.”
“Push Steam OS”
Valve isn’t even bothering to push Steam OS.
I’m not one of those who hate on everything MS/DX12 but I certainly hope Vulkan takes off. Despite my opinions about those who don’t want to upgrade because… reasons… not having games locked to one OS is a good thing. What I’m more worried about is the fact that Nvidia is staying behind the best features these low level APIs offer: async compute. Let’s hope it’s just a matter of devs still not knowing how to use their implementation and not just a way of Nvidia to hold off PC gaming because of their own shady reasons.
agreed
Nvidia is way behind on their older chips but the 1070 and 1080 have somewhat closed the gap on async compute performance. Nvidia’s implementation of pre-emption is roughly 5-10% slower than AMD’s async compute. The 900 series though takes a large hit in performance, anywhere from 15-35% slower than AMD’s version.
The 900 series wasn’t designed for DX12, no matter what they’re claiming, so it’ll never be anywhere near AMD’s DX12 offerings.
The 1000 series is just a repackaged die-shrunk 900 series, so there’s only so much they can do with it, in turn.
and AMD support for DX12 is not complete either. they don’t even dare to say they have complete support for it.
True. But that’s what concerns me: Nvidia has the marketshare and the power to hold that back. We saw that happen, more or less, with Rise of the Tomb Raider, the only DX12 game available today that offers no advantage whatsoever to any vendor… although I’m hearing that with the latest patch AMD comes out on top again. I just hope that was an isolated case.
Nvidia can only hold the absolute lead as long as they’ve got stronger cards with better performance, & AMD offers nothing real to compete with, as has been the case for the last few years.
Now however, AMD currently has the best DX12 & Vulkan cards, at better price points. Nvidia may hold on to the 1080/1080 Ti segment of their market share as long as AMD has nothing to compete with those two cards, but they’re going to lose big on everything else so long as people keep seeing better results on AMD cards.
Sure, there’s still a vast DX11 install base, which will most likely stick to Nvidia because of their ongoing better results, but only so many of those guys are going to be upgrading their GPU’s anytime soon, anyway.
True, but Nvidia puts the show based on their brute force in DX11 and, because of that and the small install base of DX12/Vulkan, most people without much of tech knowledge will fall for it. On the other hand, those very same people will probably go for the cheaper option too. I certainly hope AMD increases their marketshare if only because that will force Nvidia to do something actually groundbreaking to regain their lead (and probably optimize Gameworks for the better).
My thoughts exactly ^^
nvidia just caught of guard with async. it is feature that heavily promoted by AMD ever since they come up with GCN. if you look at nvidia opengl they were very aggressive with their performance optimization. more so than AMD that keep touting about open this and open that. then again if you look other gpu vendor other than AMD and nvidia which of them has good async implementation that can beat AMD?
That’s a difficult question as there is basically no other noteworthy (if any) GPU vendor for PC gaming.
Only for video rendering are there other “card” companies out there…
You wash your mouth out before and after you let ALEC BALDWIN slide out of your lips.
Nvidia has nothing against Vulkan lel
It’s just a pun (I think) on the fact that Nvidia is currently dragging down DX12 with their lack of proper Async Compute support on their GTX 1000 series.
Vulkan is also dragging behind AMD on Nvidia cards, by-the-by, but that’s a separate argument to this.
only AMD have the proper hardware for async compute and AMD has been pushing for asny compute hard into 3D API enough for them making Mantle so they can stir 3D API future development into supporting async compute. if only nvidia dragging DX12 and Vulkan then we should see good async gain and implementation on other gpu like intel IGP and the rest (adreno, mali, power vr)
“We choose Vulkan, because it allows us to support Windows 7 and 8, which still have significant market share and would be excluded with DirectX 12”
All confirmed Vulkan games:
– The Talos Principle
– Dota 2
– Doom
All confirmed DX12 games:
– Battlefield 1
– Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
– Forza Horizon 3
– Quantum Break
– Civilization VI
– Watch Dogs 2
– Gears of War 4
– Halo Wars 2
– ReCore
– Forza Motorsport 6: Apex
– Total War: Warhammer
– Hitman
– Gears of War Ultimate Edition
– Rise of the Tomb Raider
– Star Citizen
– Ashes of the Singularity
– Forge – Halo 5: Guardians Edition
– The Elder Scrolls Online
– Survarium
– Caffeine
– Squad
– Descent: Underground
– Rust
– Heroes & Generals
– Ark: Survival Evolved
– Heroes & Generals
– King of Wushu
– Halo 5 Guardians doesn’t exist on PC – yet (if you want to believe the Microsoft propaganda that badly)
– You’re still listing games that aren’t DX12-exclusive, meaning by-&-large 90%+ of their revenue still comes from the non-DX12 non-UWP versions, so, yeah…. not exactly a big factor in “oh, let’s adopt DX12 exclusivity!” discussions.
Thanks, I added information which games are exclusive to Windows 10 (DX12)
“90%+ of their revenue still comes from the non-DX12”
Not possible. On Steam is more DX12 users (44.96%) than DX11 users (44.25%). On Origin is even more DX12 gamers (more than 51%)
“Non-DX12 non-UWP versions.”
To clarify; I meant the non-DX12-exclusive versions, which are basically the non-UWP versions. If you buy Rise of the Turd Raider (& co.) on Steam, you get the DX11 & DX12 versions, & Microsoft doesn’t get their UWP distribution cut, so it’s not “DX12-[related] profit,” it’s just plain profit for Square Enix & Microsoft.
UWP on the other hand only sells the Windows 10 version of Rise of the Turd Raider (& co.) so that can be safely considered “DX12 profit.” The same applies to Gears of War Ultimate, etc. The UWP sales generate “DX12 profit,” & since they’re UWP-exclusive, all of their profit can be clearly classified as “DX12 profit.”
I write about DX12 gamers. If game use DX11 and DX12 all users choose DX12 version because it is a lot faster. And as you know on Steam there are more DX12 users than DX11 users. Old version of Windows is shrinking fast – about 4% each month
Going by the Steam Hardware Charts you love so much; as of last Survey, only 41.4% of all survey’d users have a DX12-compatible GPU & Windows 10 both, as opposed to the 44.46% of users running Windows 10, so I’m not exactly sure about that whole “more DX12 than DX11 users” bit.
As for Windows 10 adoption rates, as I’ve already said several times; free upgrade, 30 days trial period, etc. Wait until after July, only then will we get the real story.
And this is where you seem to have completely missed the point. It still WOULD matter, cause they have support for all three versions of windows (7, 8/8.1, 10), which means they are able to make use of all of the market share regardless. Windows 10 having more market share doesn’t change that any more cause vulkan works fully on that, without taking away from 7 or 8/8.1
Seriously
You are the worst kind of guy that loves seeing others suffering and it’s honestly quite sad because it makes you less of a human for wishing others to suffer because you don’t see logic or reason as to one studio who sees the benefits of an API that supports multiple OS’s and groups than just one.
And the real question is, why stay with 7 or 8…or worse VISTA! 🙂
“(Unless Nvidia finds a way to stop it)”
You do know Nvidia was one of the leaders in helping bring Vulkan to the desktop right?
Why we need Vulkan in a dead game like DOOM?
DOOM is dead?
How many players?
“On top of that Vulkan has an extension mechanism that allows us to work
very closely with AMD, NVIDIA and Intel to do very specific
optimizations for each hardware.”
this. for dev that really want to go low level they should be ready to do this.
Stupid moron. Nvidia are fully behind Vulkan
Id being unbiased on the hardware front is very intriguing. Hope to see more responses like that from other developers!
if im not mistaking vulkan is supported also on xbox
Sure, but you’ll never get a Vulkan game past their approval process regardless.
After all, even with Vulkan support, it’s still a closed platform with everything subject to Microsoft’s approval.
but those approvals are probably about the frame rate/resolution/position of menu and things like that.
are they gonna deny devs the ability to develop games with vukan support just because it doesn’t use dx12? after all its not microsoft that will apply patches to the game but the developers that created the game
i think that developers have more to gain since vulkan is supported on probably everything but Apple’s products.
You really don’t think Microsoft is childish enough to deny approval to Vulkan-powered games on their precious little Xbox?
Even without the Xbox & PS4 (Sony might not add Vulkan to the PS4 after all), Vulkan still has a ridiculous amount of advantages over DX12, sure, but regardless, Microsoft’s agenda is to reach 1 billion Windows 10 installs by 2017 (or whatever, I forget), & they’re going to do whatever it takes to reach that number, even stealth-upgrading people to Windows 10 without their consent.
Denying Vulkan-powered games an Xbox One release seems like a perfect extension of that agenda. Even if they do allow Vulkan-powered games though, they’ll never officially support the API, so developers will run into many issues, just like people did in turn when trying to run OpenGL games on the X360.
1488?
Lol’d. Combination of Crusaders-era Christian Priest preaching mostly, with some Hitler (the “one” part), actually ;D
Though the first part is generic enough, you can just about attribute it to any religion at any point in time, in some form or another, if you tweak the wording a little. Like, “we shall purge the barbarians!” Except “barbarians” has always been a heavy point of view thing throughout history, with both Western & Eastern Civilisations using the term, so yeah (14/88 as well though, of course, yeah).
The second part is indeed however in reference to Hitler’s vision of “One Reich” in terms of his vision to create a single, all-encompassing “Greater German Reich” for all the Germanic peoples of Europe.
How ignorant can you be?
The first Crusade was called in defense of eastern Christendom under attack for centuries by Islam. By the time of the first Crusade, Islam had been raping, enslaving, and slaughtering non-Muslims throughout the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain, Anatolia, and Asia for centuries.
And not only was Hitler was a genocidal anti-Semite who hated Christianity (calling it weak and “flabby” and wishing that Germany had instead been Islamic or like Imperial Japan, ready to die for the emperor), but he received special help in slaughter from the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who not only recruited for a Muslim SS division in the Balkans but aided in planning the concentration camps and visited them, urging guards to do their “work” diligently.
……………
You realise there was more than one Crusade, right? That they took place across centuries?
That I was referring to a specific tiny portion of a speech Hitler gave, in regards to his vision of a restored, empowered German Reich, rather than any sort of religious beliefs/views he had?
I mean wow, reading comprehension on the Internet just keeps dropping………………….
lol I know I was teasing
I don’t care about copies sold.
On Steam it’s seems to be a dead game.
A game isn’t successful only from its online player base. That’s what I’m trying to explain to you.
😉