E3 starts in a few days and we’ve already gotten a lot of hints about the possible PC announcements that will be made during this big event. Serious Sam 4 is said to be demoed, Sunset Overdrive is rumoured to be coming to the PC, Dead Rising 4 will most probably be announced, and according to NeoGAF’s industry insider ‘Enter the Dragon Punch’, Halo 5 will be coming to the PC.
As Enter the Dragon Punch claimed:
“I have it on good authority from multiple sources that Halo 5 will be coming to PC.”
Enter the Dragon Punch can be considered a trusty source for such leaks as he has already proved his credibility in the past (by leaking a number of games).
Enter the Dragon Punch was also the source for the latest Sunset Overdrive PC rumour, so it will be interesting to see whether both of these rumours will come to fruition.
Of course this isn’t the first time we hear about Halo 5 coming to the PC.
Back in October 2015, Frank claimed that he’d love to see Halo 5 on the PC.
“You know, Microsoft has made a huge commitment trying sort of… I think normalize the Windows experience across multiple platforms. You see the elements of Windows 10 are going to appear in Xbox and Cortana and stuff like that. There is plenty of chance that Halo 5 could appear on the PC. Nothing to announce at this point… you know, we developed the game on an Intel platform. It wouldn’t be the hardest thing in the world to move it to PC and take advantage of PC stuff. But nothing I announce today on this chat.”
In May 2016, Microsoft also announced that Halo 5’s map making tool, Forge, will be coming to the PC. Microsoft stated that this was no indication of a PC release for Halo 5, however most of us already know that this will – eventually – happen.
Stay tuned for more!
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I dont want it, keep it, just give me MCC or Halo 3.
MCC “or”? Hell no, MCC. Period. MCC with Halo 3: ODST & Halo Reach (instead of Halo 4).
343 can keep their over-dramatized gimped Multiplayer jokes.
On the other hand, since either way they’d be UWP exclusives, I guess this is technically a good thing in the end. I mean, Halo 5 PC isn’t really tempting, unlike how MCC PC would be >.<
ty for supporting xbox one sir when you buy from the win 10 store.
and when you guys buy it from the windows 10 store you are supporting xbox one.thx guys.
Unless you own stock in Microsoft, cheerleading for Xbox makes you a corporate slave.
or a pathetic fanboy, pick your poison
Honestly man the same applies to sony fanboys those clowns act as if they own stock in sony.
Can’t wait to play that revolutionary gaym on pc with xbox gaympad.
Nothing compares to precise aiming with analog sticks.
I think even Frank Entering the Dragon punch would agree.
thank god im not intterested in xbox games. there is no way i support that uwp exclusivity trend
I like your comment and your taste in avatars.
I cant believe Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez is upvoting and speaking to me.
/bowsDown
UWP check
MCC no word about it check
Zero interest check
DENUVO check…
Denuvo is not a issue i have most denuvo games and all run great(Just cause 3 rise fo the tomb raider far cry primal Doom Metal gear 5 Mad max). Most AAA games will be using it from now on and why not since it is the only uncracable DRM currently. Unless you are a pirate there is no reason to be angry at it
Right….. Except for its intrusiveness, but why talk about that in the face of “it’s uncrackable! All PC Gamers are Pirates! Bla bla bla”
Even though there’s been no magical sales boost to Denuvo-imprisoned games, as they’ve been claiming for years there would be, but sssshhhh, we don’t talk about that!
my xbox pc will be ready soon enough when the rx 480 is released..lulz..xbox pc.
Still waiting for those increase in sales that the filthy pirates are taking away by NOT BUYING games…..still waiting.
People will realise that people who pirate software buy software, the pirates share the games via torrents buy the software and actively encourage people who torrent to buy the software. Of course they are breaking the EULA of the software but also encouraging real sales if you like the game. To say that everyone who pirates games doesn’t buy games is just a ridiculous statement.
We dont know how much Just cause 2 had sold at that time after release because steam spy didnt exist then. We also dont know how much Tomb raider had sold at that time after release(it was also cracked day one like just cause 2) because again steam spy didnt exist then. But there is no doubt that both Just Cause 3 and Rise of the tomb raider sold more than the previous title because many people who pirated them were forced buy JC3 and ROTR due to denvuo . Same goes for far cry primal compared to previous far cry games Doom vs Doom 3 e.t.c There is a boost in games sales. We dont know how big it is bot of course it it is since no one can download and play them for free now. Even if a denuvo game gets 1 more sale than a not denuo game it is still a win for the developer
“According to Square Enix’s sales reports ending March 31, 2010, Just Cause 2 had sold over 1,480,000 units worldwide. On September 10, 2013, Christofer Sundberg, the Founder and Chief Creative Officer at Avalanche Studios, revealed via Twitter that Just Cause 2 had sold approximately 6,000,000 units to date, and had a user base of 500,000 active monthly players.”
(Just Cause 2 launched on March 23, 2010)
“The game had sold more than 1 million copies in less than forty-eight hours of its release. In the United Kingdom, Tomb Raider debuted at number one on the charts, and became the biggest UK title launch in 2013, surpassing the sales of Aliens: Colonial Marines, before being overtaken by Grand Theft Auto V. Tomb Raider set a new record for the franchise, more than doubling the debut sales of Tomb Raider: Legend. Furthermore, the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of Tomb Raider set new week one records as the fastest-selling individual formats of any Tomb Raider title so far, a record which was previously held by Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness. Tomb Raider also topped the charts in France, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, and the United States. In the United States, Tomb Raider was the second best-selling title of March, excluding download sales, only behind BioShock Infinite. In Japan, Tomb Raider debuted at number four with 35,250 units sold. On 26 March 2013, Square Enix announced that the game sold 3.4 million copies worldwide at retail, but has failed to reach predicted sales targets. However, on 29 March 2013, Crystal Dynamics defended Tomb Raider’s sales, stating the reboot had the “most successful launch” of any game this year in addition to setting a new record for highest sales in the franchise’s history. On 22 August 2013, Darrell Gallagher, head of product development and studios for Square Enix, announced on Gamasutra that the game sold more than 4 million copies worldwide. In the United Kingdom, Tomb Raider was the 6th best-selling boxed game of 2013. On 17 January 2014, Scot Amos, executive producer of Tomb Raider, revealed that at the end of 2013 the game achieved profitability. On 3 February 2014, Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition, a re-release for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, debuted atop of the UK charts. On 6 March 2014, Gallagher predicted that the game would surpass 6 million units by the end of the month. By April 2015, Gallagher announced that the sales had reached 8.5 million, making the game the best-selling Tomb Raider title to date.”
“Ubisoft expected the game to sell at least 6 million copies in its first year of release. Far Cry 4 became the fastest-selling game and the most successful launch in the series in the first week of release. Far Cry 4 was the second best selling game in the United Kingdom for all-formats during the week of its release, only behind Grand Theft Auto V. It was also the sixth best selling game in the US according to The NPD Group. As of December 31, 2014, the game has shipped 7 million copies.”
Actually, the information is freely available to anyone who’s willing to pull their heads out of their *sses long enough to go look for it, but I guess you don’t really fit that category, do you? I skipped DOOM because DOOM 3 released way too long ago (most people bought it physically, rather than from Steam), & BFG Edition was just a poor re-release which most people skipped in favour of DOOM 3 Mods, instead.
Now for SteamSpy:
Just Cause 3 – Owners: 567,255 ± 19,100
Rise of the Tomb Raider – Owners: 743,910 ± 21,867
Far Cry Primal – Owners: 158,939 ± 10,117
Just cause 2 – Owners: 3,986,137 ± 50,352
Tomb Raider (2013) – Owners: 4,042,322 ± 50,701
Far Cry 4 – Owners: 681,313 ± 20,929
“But there is no doubt that both Just Cause 3 and Rise of the tomb raider sold more than the previous title because many people who pirated them were forced buy JC3 and ROTR due to denvuo.”
There is literally NO evidence of this. There are only baseless claims by idiots like you, with no actual proof to back them up with.
Besides, there’s the financial part of this to keep in mind; Denuvo costs a lot of money to license from the people who made it, as it’s not free, it’s licensed proprietary software. As such, unless Publishers can prove that Denuvo actually amplifies sales enough to justify the licensing costs, it won’t matter. An increase of 10 sales means absolute sh*t by comparison to the licensing costs of Denuvo, for example.
P.S.
Batman: Arkham City – Owners: 3,031,151 ± 43,977
Batman: Arkham Origins – Owners: 1,942,366 ± 35,266
Batman: Arkham Knight – Owners: 562,024 ± 19,012
😮
The only way to compare the sales is if we had data from how much those older games sold during the few months after launch to see if they actually sold more than their DRM counterpart.
True, but SteamSpy does make a general point – the sequels are, even today still, by far less popular than their predecessors.
Some games completely outclass their last entry, others come out the door in mediocre states (BAK for example), or just completely reskin their predecessors (FC Primal for example), & just don’t sell as well exactly because they’re nothing more than half-assed productions.
Tomb Raider (2013) set records. Rise set nothing, selling “disappointingly” (much like most of the Fall 2015 lineup). Arkham Knight was so bad it was actually pulled from shelves, Primal was disgraced on all fronts, & Just Cause 3 likewise continues to be marred in controversy.
Ergo; Having Denuvo doesn’t automatically mean your game is going to sell as much as GTAV “because no more Pirates.”
Your forgetting that those games have been on multiple sales throughout years as oppose to the sequel which have been out for less than a year. Keep in mind that Rise of the Tomb Raider was a time exclusive. And AK Knight was very successful on console.
“Within twenty-four hours of its release, Grand Theft Auto IV sold over 3.6 million copies, equating to approximately $310 million in revenue.[122] Within a week, it generated more than $500 million in worldwide revenue, equating to approximately 6 million copies sold for Take Two.”
“Within 24 hours of its release, Grand Theft Auto V generated more than $800 million in worldwide revenue, equating to approximately 11.21 million copies sold for Take Two.[107][m] The numbers nearly doubled analysts’ expectations for the title.[109][110] Three days after release, the game had surpassed one billion dollars in sales, making it the fastest selling entertainment product in history.[111][n] Six weeks after its release, Rockstar had shipped nearly 29 million copies of the game to retailers, exceeding the lifetime figures of Grand Theft Auto IV.”
The above exemplifies something that’s quite common with IP’s that haven’t been annualized & subsequently run into the ground, & games that haven’t launched in really, really sorry states (read: Arkham Knight, Just Cause 3, etc.)
Yes, they haven’t been out that long, they haven’t been through anywhere near as many sales, etc. but regardless, their sales numbers on PC suck, & it’s not because Pirates are suddenly buying legit copies.
You can’t really say a game like JC3 sold really bad if you don;t have any data on how the last one did during the first few months after launch. This is the same for Rise of the Tomb Raider which was in a very good state at launch and isn’t a annualized franchise.
“According to Square Enix’s sales reports ending March 31, 2010, Just Cause 2 had sold over 1,480,000 units worldwide.” (JC2 launched on March 23, 2010) I’d assume ~1/3rd of that is PC, more or less (say ~500,000).
Compared to Just Cause 3’s (SteamSpy) numbers; “574,250 ± 19,120.” Do note that by comparison, JC3 is 6 months post-launch (December 1st, 2015) so yeah. It really didn’t sell as well.
“[Tomb Raider (2013)] had sold more than 1 million copies in less than forty-eight hours of its release.” (TR launched on March 5th, 2013) “On 26 March 2013, Square Enix announced that the game sold 3.4 million copies worldwide” again, let’s assume ~1/3rd of that is PC, give-or-take (say ~1,130,000).
Compared to Rise of the Tomb Raider’s (SteamSpy) numbers; “740,947 ± 21,713.” Once again, do note that by comparison, RTR (PC) is 5 months post-launch (January 28th, 2016) so yeah, once again, it really didn’t sell as well.
Metal Gear V is cracked now.
We need affordable prices, no more drm bs.
Mgs v is partially cracked but yeah i agree with you, what we need is good prices and less dlc milking, no drm bs because it has been proven it does not increase sales.
because it used the old version of denuvo but But Batman Arkham Knight(october 2015 rerelease) just cause 3 rise of the tomb raider far cry prmal mirror edge catalyst unreavel fifa 16 adrift e.t.c has not been cracked
So ? how are the sales ? actually terrible comparing to their predecessors.
HEAR, HEAR!
” i have most denuvo games and all run great(”
Compared to what?
You dont know how game runs without denuvo and both just cause 3 and tomb raider are badly optimized. Obviously a drm like denuvo hurts performance.
Actually all AAA games will be using it and the sales are not increasing so the piracy argument is irrelevant.
I played Just cause 3 max settings 1080p 60 fps ith no issues and my pc is 2500k 3,3fghz 12 gb ram gtx 970 g1 gaming. I also played Rise of the tomb raider at 1440p DSR max settings with only textures set to high instead of very high and again not issues at all.
Denuvo is only as problem for pirates. By complaining about this DRM you’re just showing your true colors.
Denuvo is an intrusive DRM that affects paying customers only, actually, since Pirates won’t be installing it at all.
doesnt Denuvo mess up ssd’s and thats why you guys dont like it?
Debunked, allegedly.
i though reports said it was ko.
ha thats a nice point,
Rubbish, DRM or not, Denuvo is bad, period.
Why put a shackle on a game?
The reason why they put a shackle on games is quite simple, there’s 130 million active PC gamers, 65 million with hardware as good as if not better than the consoles , PC games are cheaper than console games yet despite all this the casual console gamers buy more games.
The best thing that could happen to PC gaming was if no one could pirate anything as PC gaming would go from being just another platform to leading the games industry.
I am a paying customer and I don’t care if a game uses DRM or not as long as it doesn’t interfere with my playing and enjoying the game which it doesn’t.
Mostly rubbish.
Yes the reason for “shackling up” PC games, is simple: control.
As you’ve said, 130 million PC gamers, a untapped and quite impossible number to reach. The solution? Control what you can. If you can’t reach everyone, make sure that those who you can reach, are maintained under your control.
“I am a paying customer and I don’t care if a game uses DRM or not as long as it doesn’t interfere with my playing and enjoying the game which it doesn’t.”
Down the line, someone will pull the plug and your rightfully bough game will work no more. How is that for interfering?
Well in the last 7 years I haven’t had to deal with one game that didn’t work because of DRM.
No they use DRM because so many people torrent their games, plain and simple. I remember before broadband internet made pirating epidemic the PC had lots of high end PC exclusives that taxed the best of hardware. Not only that but PC also received high end licensed exclusives from big franchises like Star Wars. Yet despite more people than ever owning gaming PC’s we get nothing.
There’s 130 active Steam account, of which about 60 million with hardware as good as if not better than PS4 so good enough to run modern games but when we look at actual game sales , don’t tell me these publishers cannot reach hardcore gamers on Steam..
They can’t possibly reach it, the PC market/crowd is way too varied for that.
People who pay full price, buy on launch day, collector’s editions, every AAA game or what have you on PC, are a tiny, tiny number compared to the size of the PC crowd/market (not to mention the fact that they can be double dipping, i.e. buying both on console and PC). And I can’t understand how this industry survives spending more money in advertising rather than development.
This is the key difference between PC and console market nowadays, purely marketing and it’s costs. On consoles you have the backing of the machine makers, on PC you are pretty much on your on. Either you grab the public or your millionaire investment kills you.
Again with this piracy talk. It has been debunked time and time again. It’s not that the games sell less on PC due to piracy, it sell less on PC because they need the maximum revenue possible of the maximum number of people due to the absurd amount of money spent on trying to cater to everyone, and that simply can’t happen on a more open and varied platform.
“I can’t understand how this industry survives spending more money in advertising rather than development.”
Gullible idiots, pre-release over-hyping, general hype train mania, massive pre-order incentives, overpriced collector’s editions, etc.
It’s not about longevity to them, it’s about how much they can make in the first day/week. Post-Launch support wouldn’t even exist if they thought they could get away with it.
It’s like a disgustingly twisted version of Hollywood’s Box Office.
Lets just hope that when the giants fall they don’t cause much damage.
Personally I believe their power & influence has already begun to be offset, & will only continue to in the upcoming years, with the rise of the “AA” market (games like Alekhine’s Gun, which are neither AAA-level, nor strictly Indie – they permit “second tier” publishers to take greater creative risks, as they’re not pandering to the greatest amount of idiots possible with generic formulaic bullsh*t).
True that, but even then, there’s a much bigger problem: the public.
It’s hard enough to spread a positive message (no DRM, abusive digital prices, “predatory marketing”, etc) without people being afraid of “loosing their toys”, and that’s really the point where the giants have their “power” .
That’s a mentality that needs to change and… well, that would be really f*cking hard, next to impossible IMO.
That too, good point ^^
Yes on console you have the backing of the console manufactures, however on PC Valve does nothing to make our gaming better. Do you appreciate that Valve now makes as much if not more money from the cut from all games sold on Steam than Sony or Microsoft makes from charging developers license fees?. There’s 130 million Steam gamers, only 30% of all gaming on Steam is free to play games so that’s LOTS of transactions yet Valve does nothing to fund some PC titles built from the ground up to take advantage of PC’s unique traits. This is in spite of the fact Valve doesn’t need to spend money researching/building hardware or advertising that hardware which costs a lot.
Like it or not but PC has always been an open platform, yet it used to always have lots of big budget exclusives so something has changed between now and then.
I am actually in the middle of a hot debate right now, apparently I have been accused of sticking up for Windows Store simply because I want to play games like Halo, Gears of War, Crackdown, Dead Rising4, Sea of Thieves , Scalebound on my PC . Apparently there’s a Windows store boycot and I think it’s the most idiotic thing I have ever heard
Why would anyone choose to cut their own nose off to spite their face by boycotting Windows Store if it has games you want to play?.
I love PC gaming however I think it could be so much better than it currently is and frankly I believe Valve really aren’t doing right by PC gamers. Valve really should be able to fund some unique PC exclusives as it would advertise Steam to non PC gamers. I mean I was always interested in PC’s and enjoyed gaming on them since the first Doom however it was Crysis that eventually pushed me to get a PC of my own so I know for a fact it would be beneficial to Valve to fund even one big game every 5 years or so as it would advertise Steam as a platform.
The trouble is that they have no competition, if you want to pay for your games on PC the only platform that has near everything is Steam so I don’t see the point in boycotting Windows Store as Microsoft won’t give in and port these games to Steam, at worst they will allow the store to die with no new titles and only the ones released so far
Oh boy, let’s get to this.
– Valve/Steam has nothing to do with the PC as a platform outside of being the most used storefront where it basically owns it. But this does not come because of Valve = PC out of the blue. They created a system that made distribution for the PC platform easier.
The PUBLISHERS and DEVS, made use of it. So much that the massive majority of PC gamers are there, so launching a PC
I understand Valve doesn’t own PC, no one does. However it’s still in Valve’s best interests that PC gamers enjoy PC gaming and enjoy using Steam. Valve now makes more money from Steam than Sony or Microsoft do from charging license fees and I do not think they are doing enough to justify all the money they make. Things should be a lot better and could easily be a lot better than they are.
Hold on, I’m still finishing my reply lel (hit “post” by accident u.u).
Moron. 😀
I’ve never said I wasn’t. xD
“Wasn’t?” Implying you’re not still? ;o
Oh you!
“Well in the last 7 years I haven’t had to deal with one game that didn’t work because of DRM.”
Tell that to DarkSpore owners. or some old games that won’t work now or work as it should be like commando series or GTA SA.
“I remember before broadband internet made pirating epidemic the PC had lots of high end PC exclusives”
It has more now also lots of console exclusive were released on PC in the past few years without those DRMs. it’s actually way better than before.
“when we look at actual game sales”
So ? doom didn’t cracked, sales are worst, Farcry primal sales are more like a joke. yet Civ5 sold 8million copies which is more than what PS4 achieved. if you mean Call of Duty, sorry they are tons of other alternatives and better games than that are on PC some even for free, of course no one will buy it.
“The best thing that could happen to PC gaming was if no one could pirate anything as PC gaming would go from being just another platform to leading the games industry.”
And many games didn’t cracked, so even without pirates, why the sales are the same or in some cases even less ? they are also 100 million consoles there and none got hacked, yet some games won’t even sale more than a couple thousands.
“I am a paying customer and I don’t care if a game uses DRM or not as long as it doesn’t interfere with my playing and enjoying the game which it doesn’t.”
Oh it does but you can’t tell the difference clearly. Restricting someone’s access to it’s game files is one of them, forcing some updates and limited offline play time is another, you might be ok with it but it wont make it an ok practice.
Okay piracy isn’t harming PC, it’s my mistake that consoles can have massive funded exclusives like Uncharted 4 and be successful yet PC can’t. It’s like what world do you live in, do you think no one remembers what PC gaming used to be like and what it’s like now?. NVIDIA has to add stupidly demanding Gameworks features to games otherwise developers don’t bother to push the hardware/ Nothing stands on it’s own on PC, it’s always PC and console and in case you haven’t noticed the consoles are using £30 mobile Jaguar CPU’s. So who really ends up with the more compromised version, yes our version manages 60fps but their version was always going to be 30fps regardless so it’s US who get the most compromises
“consoles can have massive funded exclusives”
Because console needs exclusives to survive, without exclusives console doesn’t have any appeal for any buyers but it’s not like that on PC, Also PC has tons of massive funded exclusives too, Totalwar just got released, beginning of the year we had Xcom 2 and Dawn of War 3 and Civ 6 are coming.
“what world do you live in”
Where the facts are matter not fantasies.
“do you think no one remembers what PC gaming used to”
When exactly ? late 90s till late 10s it was a mess, most of games we had every months these past years didn’t existed at all, just look at these massive japanese games that are coming to PC or console exclusives which we didn’t had before.
“NVIDIA has to add stupidly demanding Gameworks features to games otherwise developers don’t bother to push the hardware”
That doesn’t have anything to do with piracy or anything else, nvidia doing it for it’s own good not devs or consumers, also it’s pretty normal for publishers to go with low common dominator and them port it on other systems.
“PC and console and in case you haven’t noticed the consoles are using £30 mobile Jaguar CPU’s”
Nothing wrong with that.
“So who really ends up with the more compromised version”
Did you ever played multiplatform titles on consoles ? even worst PC ports are better than most of them, also when we say bad ports, we mean bad by PC standards. Witcher 3 for example is below 30fps and some options on par with PC’s lowest, not only that but almost all games are like that, and this also have nothing to do with DRMs or piracy because we still get the better version, and don’t forget that most of them are console exclusives that are coming to PC in the past few year.
“PC and console and in case you haven’t noticed the consoles are using £30 mobile Jaguar CPU’s”
“Nothing wrong with that.”
Eh. Yes/no.
:)) well it’s ok for an avrage console gamer, it’s weak but who are we kidding ? if it was powerful it could only last a year maybe less until the more powerful hardwares released for pc.
I might point out that most PlayStation exclusives are made either by Sony-owned studios, or Japan-based studios.* Likewise, a lot of Xbox-exclusives are either made by Microsoft-owned studios, or bought by Microsoft for vast sums of money.
*I’m guessing it’s some kind of cost-effective manoeuvre not to make international releases (read: English language packs, international marketing campaigns, etc.) for the not-so-major IP’s at first? Like, Demon’s Souls was originally both Japan & PS3-exclusive (Japan is by far PS-dominated), before it started going International months later, & then Dark Souls went International + PS3/X360 before it eventually hit PC later on, but anyway.
“Digital Restrictions Management is the practice of imposing technological restrictions that control what users can do with digital media. When a program is designed to prevent you from copying or sharing a song, reading an ebook on another device, or playing a single-player game without an Internet connection, you are being restricted by DRM. In other words, DRM creates a damaged good; it prevents you from doing what would be possible without it. This concentrates control over production and distribution of media, giving DRM peddlers the power to carry out massive digital book burnings and conduct large scale surveillance over people’s media viewing habits.”
Company makes a website(GOG) with DRM free games and it’s a massive success.
No, you just showing how anti-consumer consumer you are. what are the benefits for consumers ? none, but restrictions, performance issues, unwanted and unknowns files and another wall of DRM on top of the other ones is just disgusting.
PS: you know you are wrong when a troll upvoted you and replayed to you.
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what’s up ?
you know me pissing peeps off…lol what u up to.
Yeah, good times 😀 nothing speciall here.
yep look at these pirates here trying to convince you other wise.the only other thing Denuvo does i herd was mess up you ssd’d.
you shouldnt be playing a game from an ssd any way.
games run better on ssd’s due to the increased read speeds that can collect any sort of storage based information the game might require, lets say load times. this leads to smoother, faster return to game in the event of mentioned load time. if youre gonna talk about pc’s do it somewhere where everyone in the room isnt smarter than you are.
ssd’s are espensive even the 512gb is expensive.didnt all you pc guys live buy install the os on your ssd then install gamen on the hhd?
6+ years ago, when SSD’s cost $2+ per-GB, & we were all going for the 128GB models because of those uber price tags, yeah. Now they’re down to less than $1 per-GB, so there’s no reason not to get a 256GB model (at least) & install your most-played Games on an SSD, at the very least.
itb ssd’d are still expensive when they become the brice of a wd blue then ill get one.
At this point I’m rooting for Denuvo to be cracked just so that everybody will shut up about it.
The SecuROM peeps have definitely stepped up their game in terms of shills.
Honestly man, the point was made, DENUVO DOES NOT increase sales, therefore any argument for or against denuvo is pointless so is piracy. Crack it dont crack it, whatever.
Complete bullshit.
Denuvo pervasive presence in modern releases is PRECISELY what’s making me buy less and less new games these days.
I own games that apparently have Denuvo in them and I never even noticed it. I keep reading those horror stories about Denuvo but somehow none of those ever came true for me, it’s as if those stories were written by pirates to make people boycott Denuvo games so that it won’t used be anymore. Well, even if that were the case, it ain’t working.
“I never even noticed it”
Well it’s not people’s fault that you have a slow brain.
Oh, personal attacks because you can’t form a proper argument. That’s sad, not surprising from a troll though.
If you’d rather prefer something like this, all you have to do is say so, you know;
“it’s as if those stories were written by pirates to make people boycott Denuvo games so that it won’t used be anymore. Well, even if that were the case, it ain’t working.”
“All these pro-Denuvo pro-UWP arguments…. It’s almost as if a portion of the Internet is abusing its anonymity to distribute questionable information because they’re getting paid to by certain parties which will remain unnamed, so that people will just turn against these otherwise technically “excellent” technologies. Well, even if that were the case, it’s not working. Though I guess, there’s always the alternative, of course; they’re actually dumb enough to believe the “facts” they’re peddling?”
Better?
Don’t lecture me about personal attacks when you are the one who did it first on that guy. He is a pirate because he don’t like DRMs. proper argument with close minded drones like you ?
I was going to write a proper reply but seeing how you can’t even tell what a personal attack is, I won’t.
I get it, stealing games is easier than getting a job and paying for them, but seriously, please stop whining about it on the internet, okay? Thanks.
The only one is whinning here is you, it just didn’t end at whinning, also shilled alot. lol.
Tons of replays to you and you have nothing to say but to change the subject, nice try.
You are a Pirate, Your brain is slow. i don’t see any difference, they are both insults and you started it.
Why are you talking about replays? This isn’t a game or a movie. For someone that keeps throwing “your brain is slow” around, you’re certainly not the brightest yourself.
“By complaining about this DRM you’re just showing your true colors.”
Slow brain + Gold Fish = You.
And now you’re repeating yourself like a parrot, seems like my comment broke your brain.
It’s always funny when people use the intelligence card while lacking proper intellect themselves. So much irony.
So you have nothing to say ? looks like they didn’t paid you enough or just paid for some random trolling.
I have nothing to say? You’re the one repeating yourself, not me. Also, who paid me? Do you need a tinfoil hat or something?
All you said was, you don’t like DRM so you are a pirate, then you repeated it in all of your comments, tons of replays with facts to your original comment but looks like you don’t have anything to say or nothing left to defend or slow brain is hard at work but finds nothing then decided to go off topic to prove you are just a random braindead troll and nothing more
“All you said was, you don’t like DRM so you are a pirate,”
Never said that, please refrain from lying.
“, then you repeated it in all of your comments, tons of replays”
I never posted a single replay, you’re either suffering from a slow brain (as you accused me of) or you’re lying again. :/
“By complaining about this DRM you’re just showing your true colors.”
“I get it, stealing games is easier than getting a job and paying for
them, but seriously, please stop whining about it on the internet”
Yeah sure. actually you didn’t posted a single comment, all you did was replaying to other comments.
You do know that these comments were directed at entirely different people, right? You also know that “replaying” doesn’t mean the same as “replying”, right? Also, replying to other comments is the same as “posting a comment”, there’s no difference there.
Seriously dude, at first I thought you were just some pirate who was too lazy to work, that’s why I made fun of you. I sincerely apologize though, I can clearly see that you’re mentally handicapped and that’s why you don’t have a job. I didn’t mean to make fun of your handicap, but seriously, you’re the one with a mental deficiency, so calling other people “re*ard” and “slow brain” is pretty offensive to yourself, you’re not coping all to well with your situation, do you? :/
The difference is you have no useful data to add but just accusing others and not having the ability to respond like a human being.
Funny how a slow brain re*ard can call others mentally handicapped yet can’t get the simplest thing right. again, for a guy who has a job, looks like you have more free time than me, maybe because your job is to count parasites around you in your cell until the meds wears off.
So you insulted that dude, i replayed to you with some facts but
looks like you are too slow to see my actual replay then you decided to
go off topic, then you are replaying my reactions to your insults. hey
slow brain, how about reading the useful comments ? oh wait, you did,
you didn’t have anything to back up your s**ty claims and you went off
topic.
for some reason your comments and some of mine are missing
“PS: you know you are wrong when a troll upvoted you and replayed to you.”
That’s what you wrote in your first reply (which I already replied to as well), you also claimed I was a troll, so by your own logic, you’re wrong.
Not to mention that you suddenly stopped responding to my other comment, I guess you couldn’t spin the fact that you messed up that badly, huh?
No, my first comment was this:
“No, you just showing how anti-consumer consumer you are. what are the benefits for consumers ? none, but restrictions, performance issues, unwanted and unknowns files and another wall of DRM on top of the other ones is just disgusting.”
which you ignored completely and then (12 hours later) i added that line, because legit trolls upvoted you and replayed to you for real then i added that, wasn’t going to but i know some of those guys.
PS: i replayed to all of your comments, then two of them said “you can’t replay to an inactive (or something) post” then they disappeared with some of mine, then i decided to replay my answer to your old one and added this line:
“for some reason your comments and some of mine are missing”
So many have owned you with facts you can’t respond to them lmao
Want Irony ?
It’s funny when re*ards use “Personal Attack” as an excuse to attacking and trolling others and even funnier than that when they have nothing usefull to say or their brains can’t handle some facts then diceide to go off topic.
Ouch, you really have to reply to the same comment twice? You seem a bit agitated here mate. 😛
Also, you just called me a “re*ard” and now you’re bringing the personal attack card up again? Talking about slow brain, rofl.
Calling a Re*arded scum a “re*ard” is related to slow brain how ? looks like your ticket just expeired mate, do some more off topic and trolling, i got all day.
“Calling a Re*arded scum a “re*ard” is related to slow brain how ”
Rofl, do I really have to explain my comment to you? You could just read it, ya know? 😛
“do some more off topic and trolling, i got all day.”
Of course you’ve got all day, because you ain’t got no job. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bfe5f45a1303d33dcf3cc8f57e21efa038a082046fe96f2c6c9bc4030a2e28c2.gif
Wow, way to go re*ard. so no facts, no actual defence, no data to back the s**t you just said and tons of replays you get but really have no answer or anything useful to add, Sad that you re*ards are quick to go off topic and say everything unrelated to topic to prove how your original claims are just as s**t as your masters.
You got plenty of time for a re*arded full time job peasant. Hypocrisy much ?
Well, seeing how it’s 10:31 PM, of course I have a lot of time to post. I don’t work at night. 😛
So no, it ain’t hypocrisy, you just couldn’t use common sense and think that I might work during the day and not during the night hours. This is all on you.
Funny, you want to correct me but you can’t even do that right, it’s 10AM here and it’s holiday.
Sh*t, I know this one…..
Face/Off (1997) – Nicholas Cage, John Travolta?
Good flick.
Correct, it’s a great one too. 🙂
I have no “horror stories” to share about Denuvo because my problem with that thing are not occasional, anecdotal dysfunctions.
My dislike for Denuvo comes *precisely* from what it is supposed to do.
I don’t want any “anti-tamper” garbage in my legitimate purchases.
First, because I expect the freedom to mod/edit/tweak my games if I want to do it.
Second, because I simply don’t trust any dodgy middleware to install on my system and do/monitor gods-only-know-what without knowing exactly what’s going on.
So, once again, what I’m reading in its defense is just the usual shill-flavored apologetic bullshit.
Windows Store is better each day. UWP FTW
current:
– Forza Motorsport 6
– Gears of War Ultimate
– Quantum Break
– Killer Instinct
– Rise of Tomb Raider
– Ori and the blind forest
new:
– Forza Horizon 3 (and all future versions of Forza Motorsport)
– Age of Empire 4
– Halo Wars 2
– Halo 5
– Gears of War 4
– Sunset Override
– Dead Rising 4
– Scalebound
– ReCore
– Crackdown 3
– State of Decay 2
I hope that this break Steam monopoly on PC
sadly it wont. not for years to come steam has been around for a while.
You’re right. Steam monopoly is strong. But this is good start. They need more exclusive games in Windows Store to fight with steam monopoly. Wait 2-3 years and we will see
yea its a good start xbox just needs to crank out the best exclusives and keep win 10 store only to make pc gamers buy from it.
I agree. All games must be “cross buy” between PC and Xbox with shared saves, achivements, dlc etc. Integration is key to make this store successful
You just put up a list of games that you can buy from WINDOWS STORE ONLY IN WINDOWS 10 ONLY LMAO. Steam sells ALL games it can just like a super market sell all products not just their own.
– Plenty of alternatives
– Already ported to PC before
– Wasn’t really that good, anyway
– Yeah, that one’s a shame, true
– Is also on Steam, so yeah
– Likewise also on Steam
– Plenty of alternatives
– Not even announced yet, but good try
– Boring
– Disgusting
– Meh
– Unconfirmed, but good try (UWP exclusivity likewise unconfirmed too)
– Xbox-exclusive, no UWP confirmation yet
– No confirmation of UWP exclusivity, no reason to believe it’ll even be good yet
– Xbox-exclusive, no UWP confirmation yet
– Unconfirmed, but good try
I hope that UWP chokes & dies on something, just like so many other moronic Microsoft “inventions.”
Just because Microsoft says everything will be cross-platform using UWP (have they actually said that? Or have they just generally stated they want to increase the amount of cross-platform games?), doesn’t mean everything will be.
I hope that none of that games will be ever on Steam. They need to fight with Steam monopoly.
Some of them are already on Steam, as I pointed out, but whatever, you’re a drone, so yeah, keep on droning.
You are not going to get through his thick head, Steam doesn’t have exclusivity on all PC games, Microsoft have full exclusivity on XB1 games which requires Windows 10, this is software lock in by definition.
And its so awful.
I want to know why MS hardcore and apple fans are this dense, it’s like marketing has sown the seeds of idiocy within these people and there is no redeeming their intellect. A mental patient has far better chances at redeeming themselves than these people.
Zombies, they are Zombies, they don’t have brains, i guess some of them are paid shills or part of some sort of marketing stuff etc..
Good point. At least with Mental Illness you can take pills for the most part & be just fine.
With cultists, unfortunately there’s just no real cure……
Yeah you can’t get cured of corp worship, well the only true way to be cured of that type is to have the entire corp crumble and those brainwashed have no choice but to revert to a normal state or latch onto another megacorp brand.
The latter for the most part, unfortunately.
Weak minds will continue to be weak, after all.
You don’t know what a monopoly is, Steam sells all games, Windows Store sells only XB1 games or games that are on XB1 or have been, THAT is the definition of a monopoly.
“The exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service”
youre just as braindead as hvd….jesus christ how do you even know how to use a computer properly
…is MS forced monopoly is any better?
2 big shops is always better than 1 big shop
More Shops = more sales = better price. Its simple.
No because XB1 games are fully controlled on Windows store by Microsoft, distributed on their own OS which has the store exclusivity and default. You seem to be under the illusion that Windows Store is in competition with Steam, it’s not.
That’s what GOG does.
Steam doesn’t have a monopoly, companies sell their games on Steam because they want to, Microsoft don’t want to sell their games on any other store, that is not giving Steam any competition because Steam doesn’t have the games and the only reason Tomb Raider is on there is because it was a XB1 exclusive for while.
Companies don’t decide to give Steam 30% cut from games sales because they want to, stop talking nonsense , they sell their games on Steam because it has a monopoly and they worry that their game won’t sell as well if it’s not advertised on a store. Yes developers just decide to hand over a 30% cut because they want to….sure they do..
It’s not 30%, for the record, it’s generally between 15%-18%. Indies can get even better deals, it generally depends on the price tag you’re affixing to your game, I believe.
What about console royalties? Do companies “decide” to give over 20% of each console sale to either Sony or Microsoft, or do Sony & Microsoft hold their platforms hostage for ransom (literally), knowing that without them granting developers access to them, people’s games won’t sell as well?
Especially considering how consoles also milk us for even more money after we’ve already paid for the entire game itself, if we want access to the multiplayer portion we’ve already paid for through Xbox Live & now PlayStation Plus subscriptions (thanks for that, Microsoft).
Can you provide a link that it’s not 30% as I have read on more than one occasion that the fee is 30% cut, which is why EA and Uplay decided it was cheaper to maintain their own store
A link, no. I got it from word of mouth, a bloke I knew who got to read through a distribution deal for a “mid-end” game a few years ago, they were being offered a big fat 18%, though he said he’d heard everything from 15-20%.
Poking through Google, information is still scarce due to the NDA’s (I looked into this quite deeply a few years ago, but even then I only found so much), though I did find Notch saying 30% back in 2012, yeah & consensus (albeit, one reached with quite limited information, I might note) seems to be that a 30% cut is standard for AAA-level video game digital distribution, apparently.
Interesting.
Although to be fair, that still means a digital PC sale actually nets you 70% of the pie, unlike a physical sale which still has even more costs attached to it (unavoidable side-effects of the medium in question), & even at a slope-y 30%, it’s worth noting that’s still less than the 20% in royalty fees & 20% in distribution fees that each console sale features.
It would however give EA ample desire to start up their own store though, yeah, even at the cost of alienating a minor portion of their fanbase by cutting out Steam entirely as they did.
I am all for more choice in the market place, and am not intimidate by clicking on a different icon to open up my games. Steam is really just another form of DRM, its just widely accepted. I personally like EA Origin’s best, most of thier pc games actually hit the ground working well and w sli support to boot. The aquisition of Dice and adaption of frostbite engine for multiple dev houses has been a plus for pc gamers. Also don’t mind the free games they give out every couple months or so.
But hey I also own a couple Win Store games, and don’t feel the need to make some moral stand to prove a point, I just want to play games that are fun, so far the win store has yeilded me fun playable copies of Gear of War, Killer Instinct and Forza Motorsport. The only let down was Quantum Break. So I will take a cautious wait read benches and buy approach.
For me Halo 5 and Sunset Overdrive = definite buys as long as they will run well
“most of thier pc games actually hit the ground working well and w sli support to boot.”
And you lost me. Seriously? It’s like people don’t even remember what EA games launch like lately.
I’m talking about like thier last 5 major releases, why would I care about what happened back then, I judge a service on the quality and value it provides right now. Mirror’s Edge Cat day 1 sli support, Need for Speed ’15 day 1 sli support, Battlefront Day 1 sli support.
Also why does it bother you what platform some else uses? Choice and growth are always better than a monopoly
I don’t give a sh*t if people prefer Origin over Steam (I don’t really understand why, but I don’t care either).
I don’t even particularly care about EA not hosting their games on Steam anymore, since they haven’t even made anything worth buying lately anyway (I’ll even admit, I’ve snagged quite a few great classics for free because of Origin, due to all those “free game on the house” popups).
What I do care about is the effects UWP will have on the industry if it ever becomes mainstream.
You want to break Steam’s monopoly? Fine, support GOG, Origin, uPlay, whatever-the-f*ck you want, just not UWP.
You have a weird definition of monopoly right there.
Windows store isn’t choice, you can only get XB1 games from Windows Store on Windows 10 end of story. Basically, you are paying for your “free” copy of Windows 10 and you don’t even know it.
I’m not trying to white knight uwp, but how is having another storefront not choice? I don’t have to buy from there, I can if I choose to. The game they offer that are available else where I buy else where, the game that are only available there I can choose to buy or not. How is that not choice?
It’s an XBox store front. The choice is XB1 games or XB1 games. If you are a Windows 7 user you don’t even get that choice, in fact you get forced to Windows 10 so Microsoft can sell you stuff from the store or their other in OS game transactions to make back the money they lost on giving Windows 10 away for free for a year.
One storefront offers an overwhelming variety of games, modding and other services, the other storefront just sells console ported games from one single system on a single OS that is owned by a single company that hates modding. I would hardly call that competition let alone variety.
I couldn’t agree more with you. I don’t know why some defend Steam so much when Valve are greedy. They run Steam like some kind of flea market with trash like Pregnancy With Mum, Showering with Dad and lots of Unity assets being flung together and sold as “games” Valve makes more money from taking cuts from all games sold on Steam than Sony or Microsoft make from charging third party developers license fees yet both Sony and MS can fund first party exclusives that take full advantage of their hardware yet Valve cannot fund such titles for PC gamers who make them billions and to attract new gamers to Steam. They just don’t care because they know PC gamers cannot go elsewhere if they want to game on PC
So yes I welcome the Windows 10 store and already own and enjoy Forza 6 Apex, Gears of War, Killer Instinct and Quantum Break. Yes the store is a little flaky at launch but people seem to forget the condition Steam or even Origin launched in/
So all these people who talk about not going to buy from Windows Store should really stop attempting to encourage other PC gamers to ignore it hoping that the games will eventually come to Steam if Windows store flops because they won’t. If Windows Store flops Microsoft will not bring these games to other platforms like Steam so if people want to play them they should.
It’s funny how PC gamers always gloat to console gamers about how PC gaming offers more choices yet so many are glued to Gabe’s a$$ like religious cult. Steam is ran like a flea market with all sorts of junk piled up, Valve doesn’t fund PC exclusives to attract PC gamers to Steam because there’s no alternative to Steam. The best thing to happen would be two healthy online stores competing against each other trying to outdo each other as I am sure Gabe would start funding Steam exclusives like Half Life3 and I am sure they would be built from the ground up for PC and Steam platform therefor not simplified and sold on consoles as well….
WIndows store isn’t “healthy” competition, in fact it’s not even competition, even Origin and Uplay don’t even come close to selling the variety of games Steam sells, sorry but Steam isn’t a walled garden of Valve games anymore, so your opinion about Steam is out of date. If you really think Windows store will sell all PC games like Steam, you are dreaming.
The only way Origin made users is because of their exclusive games, they even took their games off Steam.
It’s sad that more drones are popping up by the day.
100% agree. More stores = better competition = more sales = better prices. Its simple
I really don’t understand why some commenters defend Steam monopoly. They don’t play free Forza because they want all PC games “only on Steam”. And all that trash talking: “no steam – bo buy” – silly
“I don’t know why some defend Steam”
And i don’t know why some defend WinStore and some defend restrictions and DRMs. want to end monopoly ? then GOG is there and by supporting that you will make it a worthy competition unlike Winstore and it works with all OSs out there instead of being a exclusive turd of a store.
“stop attempting to encourage other PC gamers to ignore it”
No, they should encourage more people, if it wasn’t for backlashes like this, Xbone was an online only platform, if we don’t voice our opinions they might bring XBL to pc and you have to pay to play those re*arded ports for a simple multiplayer.
“how PC gaming offers more choices”
WinStore is not a choice, it’s forced by a greedy company that hates PC gaming and proved it before.
“two healthy online stores competing against each”
How more restrictions and worst support and quality is a healthy competition? you want more stores ? fine, GOG even Origin are out there and they offer much more.
And by the way, all those talk about exclusive is just console talking, most of us like the world without exclusives, i don’t care, why should we care ? exclusives are not so good and healthy also pc doesn’t need one.
so 17 games vs oh i dont know…100k that steam has? also you dont own your games when you buy from uwp, youre just borrowing and streaming them since theres no actual .exe file. If uwp goes down as much as XBL then youre f’ed lol. at least other digital distribution sites have a level of offline play available in case your internet goes down or their servers arent up for god knows what.
“streaming them since theres no actual .exe file”
LOL… no 🙂
I know youre not actually streaming them but you might as well be with how little of the actual game you own you dimwit
I couldn’t care less what store is a game is released on and in what format, the more games on PC the better, Win10 store needs cleaning up it a absolute mess, but some of games on there so far are fantastic and there are some absolutely amazing games to come. Bring on Halo5, Gears4 and State of Decay 2
For me:
– Halo Wars 2
– Age of Empire 4
– Forza Motorsport 7 with support of Oculus Rift
do you know what the definition of monopoly is? steam lets the games sell everywhere so its not a monopoly. if people buy them on steam its because they like steam
guess what would happen if microsoft sold the UWP games elsewhere? nobody would buy them through UWP
What’s the point if they are not going to do Halo 3 and 4? they should save it for a collection.
We need a UWP version of that “F*CK YO DENUVO, N*GGA” meme.
Eh, who am I kidding, I’ll probably still buy it for Warzone. I’m a sucker for punishment.
ty for supporting xbox one with cross buy since you have to buy the digital xbox one version and dont have a choice in the matter ty.
pathetic fanboy….
For the love of fvck, shut up and go away you irritating little stain.
If it’s a good port and turns out to be fun, i’d get it. Althought, i haven’t played the 2,3,4 :(.
Don’t support UWP…
I don’t want to but there are games that i like… It pisses me off. I’ve been holding back from Quantum break for now but god damn. UWP is crap i know.
Question is how is M$oft gonna handle the incoming sheetstorm of screaming and wailing xxxBonexxx fanboïs which are losing their precious exclusivity of such a famous title.
Someone had to.
Really who gives a sh*t about leftover console trash coming to the Windows Store?
Edgy, btw yes there are some people out there like me who would love to play these games on their PC. Strange isn’t it? Not everyone follows your opinions or your just one of those reta rd ed fanboys who do this shilt for their own weird a ss self pride how sa d.
(Damn comment approval system)
It’s all cooler than cuckoomber, xxxBONExxx owners are still getting their acclaimed exclusives, most recently I think it was Raiden 5 for negligible amount of $49,99,-
Always a catch with Microsoft. PC users wanted XB1 games, we give them to you with a long list of catches and XB1 exclusives were and never will be made multiplatform from the start, they will just be ported through UWP and users will have to ask for basic PC features and thank Microsoft for it.
you support xbox one when you buy from the win 10 store ty WrATH…lol
No, I don’t, neither do I support Apple and have never brought a product from them.
if you buy 1 single xbox one exclusive from the windows 10 store you are supporting xbox one.
cross buy you HAVE NO CHOICE but to buy the xbox one digital version. so ty for supporting xbox one.
I’m not supporting XB1 or Microsoft store, so go take you tablets and stop asking and shilling for Microsoft.
if you buy a single xbox exclusive from the win 10 store you will:)
How’s mumbai?
I really don’t care what you have to say, if you didn’t update to Windows 10 it’s more likely that your hardware is near obsolete so you won’t benefit from Directx12 games. You NEED Windows 10 to enjoy Directx12 gaming so why should anyone protest over having to buy games like Halo, Gears of War, Scalebound, Crackdown, Quantum Break, Dead Rising4, State of Decay2, Halo Wars, Sea of Thieves, Forza, Forza Horizon, Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive on Windows store?. Hell I own an XB1 and even I am happy to play these games at 2560x1440p 60fps with better graphics.
Even if Microsoft somehow only sold XBOX games on Windows Store, who cares?. I mean you seem to think you are making some strong point there but even if that did happen…..who cares. It’s more good games that I can play on PC. It seems the ones doing the most complaining are the ones who cannot crack the security and pirate the games.
You don’t care what he has to say means your own opinion is just as forfeit as you think of his as well as you showing that you do in fact care what he thinks.
Yes my opinion is just as forfeit because my subjective opinion is not going to change his mind and his subjective opinion is not going to change my mind so in a sense I really don’t care as I will continue to buy games on Windows Store if I want to play them
But you do care enough to talk about the opinion in general, if you truly didn’t you wouldn’t talk about it.
“Who cares”, “don’t care” is not an argument. Also, LOL for paying twice for the same game.
Why would I pay twice for the same game?. I haven’t bought any game twice although I may just buy Halo again if it allows me to play at 2560x1440p with better visuals and draw distance. Why not?
I cant believe it, hope they release it on steam then I will buy it , cause I want it just on steam with my all friends, will not buy on windows store, wont care if not on steam :O
i just want the master chief collection and reach not the crap made by 343
cheers mate, 200% agreed
Why you guys care about this casual console FPS anyway ?
I want it. Problem? Stfu
Great news!!! My money is ready
Finally!! I dont have to buy a console now. Wii U emulation is almost here, the wii one is 100 % perfect and eventually we will be able to emulate the PS3.
The consoles are almost useless. I love how 2-5 years ago.. most console users used to spam me with “AT LEAST WE DONT HAVE TO BUY A NEW CONSOLE EVERY YEAR” and guess what? There is a new Nintendo console coming out next year, new PS4 updated console and a new Xbox one.
I find this so funny. Heck, Xbox one looks like a Windows 8/10. Consoles are nothing more than a cheap PC’s.
Pc gaming won for reals. Not that there was any competition. We always had better everything, even exclusives.
P.s. Want to game on a console? 🙂 Just plug a controller on your PC.
Emulators is where its at, snes? easy. ps1, ps2? check. genesis? sure. gamecube? f’ yea. then you have your actual pc games to play lol. nowhere else can you jump from metal gear solid v to megaman x collection gamecube edition in a matter of minutes.
I am interested in playing Halo on PC would prefer MCC but I am not buying anything from the Windows Store.
Ah, that I can understand & relate to, yeah.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
yoh yoh yooooh! I would build a gaming pc sorely for that game
They should stop calling it PC and start calling it Windows 10 since PC doesn’t stand for only one OS, it stands for multiple and 10 is not multiple at all.
“it doesn’t effect paying customers”
It does, Just Cause 3/Rise of the Tomb Raider/Dragon Age 3 will stop working after a few days being offline, i tested all of them, not just denuvo, some simillar DRMs as well like whatever rockstar using on GTA V. it’s affected me also another DRM on top of another one is just a performance hug. also modding is hell with such thing and unwanted and unknown files which will remain after uninstall. these are all have negative effects on paying customers.
“paying customer here who hasn’t had a single issue with Denuvo”
Another paying customer here who has tons of issues with Denuvo and re*ards who made it.
Well I own all of those games, I can show you my Steam and Origin Libraries if you wish , however I have not had a single issue with Denuvo including the one you claim
I own them too, they will need activation after a few days of being offline, it’s not some issue that i have and you don’t, maybe you wont go offline or wont notice but it’s there. also you don’t have to prove everything to me, i never said you don’t own them and tbh thats not my bussiness.
here is a pic of how it works for some of them https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f99452d90635c8bff98fcf0ecd3f6db1517798ce8d2f52c7d063c3e37174ba9.jpg
“Why aren’t Valve funding some PC exclusives to attract more gamers to Steam … even if they do make a game Left4Dead , Portal 2 etc they are that greedy for money that they have to port them to consoles as well instead of designing games from the ground up to take full advantage of PC.”
You mean, like DOTA 2? 😮
I mean, it’s not like they literally hired a bloke just to head the DOTA 2 project, nope. They just grabbed some random-*ss nobody & said “congratulations, you’ve been selected to lead the Valve DOTA 2 Project! Don’t f*ck it up, now :D”
Does Steam’s front page have serious issues? Hell yes. Is it in serious need of an update/remake/makeover/whatever? Undoubtedly. Is Steam nevertheless the best Digital Retailer in existence right now? Abso-f*cking-lutely.
Should Valve be doing more with all the money it’s raking in? Debatable. Regardless, it’s their choice to make, anyway. Sure, I’d love it if Valve ended up funding the sh*t out of a PC-centred version of PlatinumGames, but studios of that caliber don’t just come together because people throw money at them, they come together/happen, & then they persist because people (publishers & customers both) throw money at them.
Was that DRM Denuvo, I never said DRM software has NEVER effected anyone before, we are talking about “Denuvo”
It may have been Denuvo, as BFH does use (an earlier version) Denuvo, but regardless, even if that wasn’t Denuvo causing that particular problem, it doesn’t mean it won’t be causing its fair share of them in the future.
Hell, it doesn’t mean it’s not causing any now, even, & not for pirates, who don’t ever interact with the DRM’s, but for paying customers, who are morally (if not legally) entitled to not have to put up & deal with this sh*t on a constant-f*cking basis because of insecure man-children & their little f*cking greedy baby tantrums.
Edit: Nope, not Denuvo – “It’s an old, largely discredited and greatly maligned form of DRM that most other publishers – even DRM-obsessed Ubisoft – stopped using a few years ago. But here is EA, still using it and acting like the last 10 years of DRM-driven PR disasters and financial waste hasn’t happened.”
I can completely understand why people don’t want to have to deal with DRM hassles as I don’t either. I would be really angry if a game I purchased didn’t work as intended but so far I own pretty much all these Denuvo titles and I haven’t had an issue with them. I know in the past DRM has stopped old games working but the reality is that us PC gamers do get the better deals as our games look/play better and cost less than console versions. Sure 7-8 years from now you may worry that a game won’t work because of DRM but it’s rare that will happen now we are all using online stores like Steam. Besides the console guys have it worse, any digital games they buy will be lost in future if their console breaks. Lots of game discs are sold on console and need a day one patch that can sometimes add 8gb of data that’s not on the disc so how are console gamers going to be able to play these games 7-8 from now when the server that sends 8gb patches is shut down?.
This is an issue that effects all gamers however PC gamers seem to be doing the most complaining despite getting the better deal. I mean 7 or 8 years from now a certain game may not even work on the latest Windows never mind DRM, however it’s rare enough and far enough away that it’s not as big an issue as some make out.
No indeed, but in lieu of the fact that publishers/developers ardently refuse to remove DRM from even 5+ year old games until they’re basically forced to because they break down (ex. GFWL shutdown, GameSpy shutdown, etc.), it’s a standing complaint & problem.
SecuROM ages worse & worse every year (for example), but where’s Crytek’s goodwill in the matter? Nowhere.
I remember this one situation, from just a few years ago; EA (I think? I forget) launched an RTS of sorts, with an always-online DRM (not the Ubisoft kind which you can crack, but the “constantly stream data back & forth from the Servers” kind – ala-Diablo 3).
Shortly after, since the game tanked, they decided to shut down the servers. The moment they did so, everything from AI to other core gameplay features went offline (permanently), all because they didn’t bother to issue a “severance” Patch for the game first. The customers who’d actually paid for the game were thrown out on their *ss, & the community itself was literally slaughtered into oblivion, while the pirates themselves were never even inconvenienced in the first place.
See, that’s the problem; if they’d simply be willing to show some goodwill in regards to DRM, there wouldn’t be such a massive controversy over its use. Hell, most people would probably have accepted it as a necessary evil years ago if they’d simply be willing to do it better. Unfortunately, they ardently refuse to shift their positions even an inch, so in turn we respond in kind, resulting in the situation we have today, in which every time I read an article regarding DRM’s in a game, I wonder how in the blazes these atrocities haven’t been dragged through the courts yet.
I can understand the hate for DRM like that, I am not arguing that kind of DRM is okay. I am only happy about DRM if it does not ever effect me. That kind of EA DRM is abhorrent though.
However I do think us PC gamers complain a bit too much as most of the time we get the better deal even if everything doesn’t go exactly to our liking. I mean console games now ship with just the tutorial on the disc so you have to download the entire game but unlike us PC gamers there won’t be an online store in future to get that game. Other games require 8gb patches before you even play the game so what happens if their console breaks and they need to get a new one 6-7 years from now and all the servers that send the patches are shut down?. Hell they pay online fees yet online components of games can be shut down after 3 years.
So yes I know things aren’t perfect but we get the better deal most of the time. I’d like to see PC games sell as well as the console versions , that’s what I’d like to see
I see where you’re coming from, but you’re missing one major factor; Legal responsibility.
A Publisher isn’t legally bound to ensure the PC game they released 6+ years ago is still fully-functional on brand-new OSs released after-the-fact (ex – Windows 10 & Crysis). As long as they put up a disclaimer that says “warning: this product doesn’t function properly on Windows “X” or whatever,” (ex. Fallout 3) they’re supposedly covered, but since that only covers digital sales, it gets really murky with physical (largely because nobody’s brought this specific situation up in court yet), since all physical PC games go through the digital store these days.
On the other hand, if a console game is still being sold on shelves 5+ years later, it falls on (specifically) Microsoft & Sony (respectively) to ensure that game is still downloadable & patchable – ergo not broken. If they choose to sell a box with nothing but a license key inside, or a disc with nothing but a bunch of extras inside, then it falls squarely on Microsoft & Sony to either provide you with the product you legally purchased, or refund you for your purchase.
– It’s funny, this is literally an ongoing legal debate right now; how to preserve digital products exactly like these. –
Yes, that means they have to either recall the physical copies after a while, or keep supporting them, but I’ve yet to hear of a “mass disc recall” practice in the console/video games industry entirely, unless it’s because the game is being pulled from shelves completely (see Batman: Arkham Knight (PC) for example) for an actual reason.
As such, if Microsoft & Sony choose to shut down the servers that stream game data (patches or otherwise), that’s on them, specifically, rather than the publisher, as it is with the digital PC version; if a publisher opts to pull the game from Steam/Origin/whatever after a while, then I’m pretty sure the physical box “redeem & download from Steam” codes stop working as well. In that case, it’s not Valve that’s legally responsible for those, but rather, the publisher. Valve could technically let people keep redeeming physical keys, yes (they have ways to tell the source), but that would, I believe, be a publisher’s call, not Valve’s, unless there’s a clause in the distribution contracts they sign, but there’s no way for us to know if so. Likewise, if Valve shuts down Steam anytime soon, there’s certain legal concessions to be made to us as legal consumers, but overall we’re taking a lot of stuff on good faith, since it’s not legally covered.
This old story comes to mind; Microsoft shutting down Battlefront 2 multiplayer servers back in the day after a while on the original Xbox – it wasn’t a LucasArts choice, it was a Microsoft choice, & one that they’re legally entitled to make (like you mentioned – “online components”). On PC however, we’re also legally permitted to create alternative hosts – take Crysis for example, GameSpy shuts down, we, the community, found an alternative.
Footnote:
“I’d like to see PC games sell as well as the console versions , that’s what I’d like to see”
DRM doesn’t do sh*t for that, however. Actually, Denuvo turns people off from buying the game in a lot of cases. If you want an increase in PC sales, you want an increase in PC quality. Better games, better sales numbers.
Yes I know Windows 10 won’t run SecuROM but there was a fix before that day came that these games no longer worked. Besides with games on Steam, Uplay and Origin they are less likely to be cut off one day due to older DRM and in any case if a 7-9 years old game stops working because of DRM am I even going to be bothered enough to fix/torrent it?.
Also it’s not “just consoles”, sure they are to blame to some extent as everything needs to be on everything from mobile to PC. However if PC versions were selling better I don’t think we would have such and over reliance on console market. Have you seen the sales figures for PC and console?. Don’t you get slightly annoyed when PS4 started outselling PC when only 20 million had been sold because it annoyed me as someone who wants PC to do well
“if PC versions were selling better I don’t think we would have such and over reliance on console market.”
We never stood a chance in that regard. The moment the X360 launched it basically catapulted itself right out the door, & any launch titles fortunate enough to have been co-developed for the PC & X360 both benefited considerably from the X360 (sales-wise).
Thus, by the time Sony had launched the PS3 the year after, publishers had already begun to realize how much untapped financial potential there suddenly was in cross-platform games (something which previously only existed in limited amounts, as most games up to this point were either PC, PC + 1 console, or just exclusive to a specific console, period.), & they were already shifting their focus towards “multi-platform” development, instead of “PC + consoles” development.
Around this time, the “let’s lower the bar & see what happens” mentality also started taking off, which the consoles responded to (in short order) extremely positively (& far more so than the PC), which basically set in motion the subsequent permanent mindset changes that would marginalize the PC in favour of consoles, “forever after.”
Don’t get me wrong, it does annoy me how ridiculously well the PS4’s doing (even the Xbox One is doing well, even as it considerably trails behind the PS4 in sales), but I was expecting it from the start (based on the PS3/X360 generation), so I just /eyerolled & that was it for me. Like I said, don’t get me wrong, it’s a standing grievance that I have, but yeah.
Take this for example;
“Call of Duty 2 was the most popular launch title on the Xbox 360, with 200,000 units sold in its first week of availability. 77% of people who purchased an Xbox 360 also purchased the game, which contributed to its high sales.”
Looks like you really love console games. buy a console.
I already own all three current gen consoles actually and no I just love good games. I don’t think sh1te like Pregnancy With Mum deserves to be sold on any store never mind PC gaming’s premier online store. In any case even if I didn’t own an XB1 I would no longer need to “buy one” seeing as Windows Store is selling me all these games that I want to play.
Well, did you saw MS store games ? i guess Pregnancy With Mum is way better than some ugly mobile premium crap with microtransactions and pay walls with Ads all over the place. at least you can play Pregnancy With Mum on any OS you like.
Sh*t….. Yeah, alright, you finally got me.
Footnote: Though I’d clarify that point in the middle of the last paragraph; they’re not just “in direct competition with each other” (it’s not only about keeping gamers off of the competing console system), it’s also about keeping gamers off the PC, otherwise we’d have PS+PC, or PC+Xbox games, instead of just “exclusive to x console.”
P.S. I see what you mean about Valve, btw. Fair point.
Yes well also keeping gamers off PC as well. However I am sure if there was no competition between two console platforms then they would be far less willing to fund exclusives and I think I can prove this a little. For example last console generation the 360 ran multiplatform games better than PS3 and because a large percentage of 360 gamers were gaming on XBOX Live so most multiplatform games were sold on 360 and Microsoft more or less coasted to the finish line while Sony funded far more exclusives trying to claw back market share. So I bet if there was only one console platform the amount of exclusives funded would be far less as they wouldn’t need these exclusives to lock gamers into buying all their games on their platform and this is how Valve is acting right now.
I don’t ever believe Windows Store will ever rival Steam but if that were to happen I imagine both sides would fund platform exclusives and spend more money trying to make their platform better. I feel that Valve should fund at least one big PC exclusive every 4-5 years as this would advertise Steam to new gamers because right now Steam only caters to PC gamers who want better than console performance or PC gamers who play MOBA’s. However a few exclusives would bring in new gamers because I am sure everyone who wants better than console performance or Moba’s are already on Steam
Agreed, just one thing;
Developers go for the lowest common denominator when it comes to hardware – in other words, the X360, since it was technically marginally weaker than the PS3.
Because of that, they usually developed everything on the X360 DevKit, & then subsequently ported them over to the PS3 DevKit, & the PC in turn, with few exceptions (notably BF3, which was done on the PS3 DevKit).
As such, they had more chances to make the X360 versions run smoother/better. But yeah, the fact that Sony was a year late launching the PS3 was also a major factor in their “approach” for a long time – Sony was rather desperately trying to recoup the lost market share they’d basically handed over to Microsoft on a silver platter during those first twelve months for years.
I rather have a choice and play my games on my other OSs, thing you said is not a choice, it’s forcing people to use that store and that OS to be able to play a game. Of course valve is greedy, but not as greedy as M$. they wanted to start charging for mods then people like us voiced our opinions and then they backed off, what about winstore ? you can’t even mod their games which makes it worst, hell you can’t even access your game files normaly.
Well people hoping to see MS ports on other platforms like steam or gog or whatever and not tied to win10 and winstore, nothing wrong with wanting to play for example Forza H3 on win 7. to me winstore smell like a failure just like GFWL but more restrictions.
They aren’t forcing people to use that store, you can either choose to play the games or don’t , just like you can choose to play games on Steam or don’t. Why would you want to play Directx11 versions of games when Windows 10 is free, you realise that going forward games will use Directx12 regardless of whether they are on Steam or Windows store?
You are trying to twist this but the reality is that it is more choices for me as a PC gamer.
Because i don’t like win10 also there is no reason for DX12 to being exclusive to win10. i don’t care about new DX12 only games, i have a choice and i choose Vulkan and i pay the price.
No really, forcing people into an OS and one store is not a choice, it’s forcing, letting people too choose where to get those and being availiable in other stores is a choice.
They aren’t forcing you as you are choosing not to play them, that’s called a choice. I honestly don’t understand why you wouldn’t just use Windows 10?. I am an enthusiastic PC gamer so for me I need Windows 10 as I want to play Directx12 games. The world doesn’t work like that, I’d love to play PS4 games at 2560x1440p 60fps on my PC but business reasons ensure that’s not an option but I can choose to play them on PS4 or go without.
No when a game tied to a specific OS and it only works on that, that means it’s forced. until the day we take whatever they throw at us instead of voicing our opinions yeah world works like s**t.
We did get japanese games ? when ? where ? what are those ?
“We as PC gamers are still not getting things nearly as good as they could be”
We will never get those, this is how it’s works, money is on multiplatform titles and parity is a thing, not a good thing but it’s a sad truth of the whole industry not PC.
“The early to mid 90’s PC was far and away superior”
Again, that is the industry issue not PC, we still get those games even more, nothing changed but the quality of games in general dropped since pas few years.
“So that’s why I do not think Valve is doing enough for PC gaming”
I agree with that, i like more games on PC but as i said before they are pros and cons for an open platform, it’s good that nobody owns PC (MS tries to own it and restricted and turn it into a close box system like xbone) it’s good that we have choices, mods, huge community, more games good or bad, but on the down side, no one is there like ms or sony market it’s games on PC or pay for marketing stuff but hey at least PC doesn’t need to survive like consoles and doesn’t need any of those, it will be always there, hell more revenues on pc game sales shows how healthy it is and don’t need any owner.
“not because consoles cannot stand without them, no it’s because they are in direct competition with each other”
It’s the same thing, they need exclusive to survive simple as that. M$ knows they F’ed up their console market and they want something like steam on PC but they don’t want to compete with it, judging by how awful it is i don’t see competition but another monopoly which is worst than steam. so they need some of their exclusive in Winstore to maybe, maybe they somehow survive which i guess is unlikely.
” Valve wants to grow PC gaming outside of people with poor hardware who
play Free2Play or people with high end hardware who crave better performance/visuals then they need games that are unique.”
See, you are anti choice, people with poor hardwares are people who can still and should enjoy games and last i checked they are tons of games for people with high end hardwares, this is how PC works, varied hardwares and varied games for everyone. i rather play a good game than play a game because of it’s graphics, quality of a game is not in it’s graphics but sadly the only thing left in AAA games (and overhyped kids) these days is graphics and it won’t make a game unique it just make it looks technically superior.