Square Enix appears to be ready to support modders in the PC version of Final Fantasy XV. And while back in August Hajime Tabata claimed that nude mods are left up to the moral sense of all the players, he went ahead and re-stated – during this year’s PAX West event – that such mods will most likely have a negative affect on the moddability of future Final Fantasy games.
When asked whether Square Enix will stop supporting mods in future Final Fantasy games in case there are nude mods in Final Fantasy XV, Tabata told PCGamer that while this is up to Square Enix’s CEO, this kind of mods will most likely have a negative affect:
“If things are taken a little too far. So if there’s anything we can say, it’s try to be as controlled as possible.”
For Final Fantasy XV, Square Enix does not want to restrict modders in any way, something that is… well… a pleasant surprise. And to be honest, we don’t need nude mods as we can get some pretty amazing projects (after all, Square Enix plans to release a powerful level editor too). Final Fantasy XV may very well turn into the new Skyrim when it comes to mods, and the possibilities could be endless.
But then again, we are almost certain that some modders will release such mods in order to attract the attention of the media. And this is precisely why we won’t bother with such mods when the game releases.
Final Fantasy XV is currently scheduled for an early 2018 release!
John is the founder and Editor in Chief at DSOGaming. He is a PC gaming fan and highly supports the modding and indie communities. Before creating DSOGaming, John worked on numerous gaming websites. While he is a die-hard PC gamer, his gaming roots can be found on consoles. John loved – and still does – the 16-bit consoles, and considers SNES to be one of the best consoles. Still, the PC platform won him over consoles. That was mainly due to 3DFX and its iconic dedicated 3D accelerator graphics card, Voodoo 2. John has also written a higher degree thesis on the “The Evolution of PC graphics cards.”
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OH NOES! it’s not like games like Skyrim have tons of porn/nude mods and nobody gives a damn since YOU ONLY USE IT IF YOU WANT! that said i fully expect a poorly optimized game using GET A BETTER GPU excuse and pathetic mod support that allows swapping of models at best, porn/nude mods will be the least of FFXV problems.
Consumer choice and the freedom to let individuals decide what is best for themselves is seemingly an alien concept to some devs who’ve only ever previously worked within the strict corporate-controlled walled gardens of console gaming.
Re: “Tabata told PCGamer that while this is up to Square Enix’s CEO”,
Well, at least this guy doesn’t have the final say in the matter regardless of his personal opinions. Hopefully Square Enix’s CEO will ignore Tabata’s whining and desire to censor and control the actions of others. If Tabata finds that to be personally disagreeable then he has the option of seeking employment elsewhere.
You see that with a lot of Japanese developers, unfortunately. They tend to have a mindset of “we know what’s best for you, and you must follow our wishes as the developers.” It’s why you see a lot less communication between fanbases and developers compared to western titles.
TBH I think it’s more of a roundabout way of distancing themselves from modded content. This is something that western devs have always done and the public always does, but in Japan the association between creator and content is much more rigid since they never really had a base of PC gamers making mods.
i.e. ‘If you see something controversial made using a mod we had nothing to do with it because, as you can see, we’re condemning it in no uncertain terms’.
Then they’ll go straight back to not caring when the inevitable mods and SFM stuff comes out. They’re just covering a base.
Feel free to find your balls anytime you want, Japan.
Y’know, instead of kowtowing to those f*cking US-grown Femmorists.
“Western SJW movement”
Sometimes Islam is good, it shut these people off and they can’t even say anything back.
Sadly these nutters are actually defending Islam, regardless of all of its various faults (no offence :P) 🙁
Hell, even when a feminist gets in front of the United Nations, she’s too busy complaining about the amount of female CEO’s instead of calling out Saudi Arabia…..
Yeah, I can’t understand that one in the least.
None taken buddy 😀 i’m a joo goyim (never practied it, my grand parents were jooz). we have femenist over here too, they don’t know what they are doing, they want to rebel against mens, but they can’t rebel against islam so they wont, lol.
Sh*t, I recently saw a news report on women in Israel, apparently they’ve actually gone mad with power >.<
it’s true, in israel Feminism is WORSE than the US
ailmoney can go between 50-80% of the male salary
though not more than a month or so they made up new laws
that says if the womyn is making more than the “evil pen*s beast” then,
they BOTH pay ailmoney
feminists raged on that decision though they still have power over custody
it’s only a matter of time to see these new laws in action, and see all the previous Disadvantaged divorced dads get a fairer ailmoney rates
(my uncle makes about 5K shekels a month, he pays 3K shekels for ailmoney+private lessons+hobbies or any other $hit that the kids need)
plus he buys them smartphones and other birthday gifts
(two kids, one is 9 years old son, and a girl 15 years old)
he lives with his parents and he gets plenty custody over the kids
and of course most of the money comes from his parents who are about to kick the bucket in 3-5 years anyway
i think it’s f**king absurd that his ex wife gets 3K shekels who mostly go on rent, while her new BF buys all the $hit the kids need (like Gaming PC componants, hangout money for daughter etc…)
men are nothing more than cash&semen machines in this country
another one of the bigger reason why marriage is a scam and
a pre-nup is a must (though judges easily dismiss them in court after 10-15 years just like in america)
one of the many reasons i want leave (other than the rampant corruption, air pollution, food prices and insane Real Estate prices)
Hanz, get the gas.
Oy vey, goyim knows, shut it down.
i am for shipping sjws to middle east.
Oh God, that would be hilarious……
And so ridiculously ironic, to boot. Ship the Islam-defending Feminists to Saudi Arabia. Perfect 😀
i wet my pants
Ehehehehehe 😀
This plan could actually work
Islam is never good, its worse than SJW, if SJW wants to dress up virtual women in normal clothes, Islam will put them in Garbage bags with two holes for eyes.
Yeh i get it, you like to bomb every where and anything that is not related to christian must be burned by fire.
Don’t be absurd. You’re projecting Islamic bloodlust onto someone condemning it.
Well don’t be too quick to judge, read his other posts. he said they must nuke all of them.
Has he said that non-Christians must be burned?
No he said all muslims must die and they “US” must nuke all of em.
So, then, you did misrepresent him.
Is there any particular reason that he might feel that way?
Yeah, muh freedom and democracy. again, instead of asking, read them, they are all in the same page.
Its strange but somehow 95% of terrorists in the lest 50 years are muslim and Iran is everywhere with them, plotting and sponsoring.
Last i checked 100% of bombing muslim countries are from christian countries in the last 100 years.
Name those Iran backed terror attacks in USA or shut up for good. last i checked most of them are just false flags or done by your buddy Saudis.
100% of bombing muslim countries are from christian countries in the last 100 years
How dishonest of you.
First, you’re blaming the victims of jihad for defending themselves against it. If you don’t want nominally Christian nations bombing Islamic lands, then end the jihad against us (and other non-Muslims). No more “terrorism” on your part, then no more need for self-defense on ours.
Second, you limit the time span to only the last one hundred years because that’s about the only significant period of time that non-Muslims have successfully restrained the jihad impulse. For the first 1300 years of Islam’s existence, it pretty much had its way throughout Arabia, the Holy Land, Christian North Africa, the Iberian Peninsula, portions of Italy, the eastern Roman Empire, Anatolia, Persia, and greater India. It wasn’t until about a century ago that we were finally strong enough to end the caliphate and put jihad back in the box (if only temporarily).
Third, Iran is one of the world’s worst sponsors of jihad; they’ve been responsible not only for attacks against innocents in other nations, but they’ve also provided financial support, training, and personnel that’s resulted in the deaths of Americans abroad.
Please, be honest.
“If you don’t want nominally Christian nations bombing Islamic lands, then end the jihad against us”
Don’t know when i did jihad against you but it all started with you bombing some unrelated countries because of your Ex-buddies Alqaeda did 9/11. then you overthrew saddam and it led to creation of isis. in short you are both of the bombing squad and jihadies at the same time.
“For the first 1300 years of Islam’s existence, it pretty much had its way throughout Arabia”
Not all of it, it has it’s golden times period. i’m not defending arabs and muslims, people who invade my country but that doesn’t mean i close my eyes and s**t all over whats happened because of some brainwashed american wants all muslims dead or think Iran is the worst sponsor of terrorism while forgetting how they created and by whom.
“been responsible not only for attacks against innocents in other nations,but they’ve also provided financial support, training, and personnel that’s ended up in the deaths of Americans abroad”
Like where ? and why americans are all over the world ? don’t give me freedom crap for US hegemony.
Islam’s “golden age” is more jihadist propaganda.
Stop being such a craven apologist for Islamic tyranny, Amir.
Yeah cuz math never happened, and that’s why we don’t call them arabic numerals and we don’t call them alchemy and etc…
math
The only thing worse than being wrong is being arrogant while doing it.
(No, wait, being arrogant and wrong in defense of jihad and shari’a is worse.)
Those are Hindu numerals, and like almost everything else decent associated with Islam’s expansion, it was stolen from the people’s it subjugated.
I was referring to the common lie that non-Muslims prospered under Islamic rule, not the occasional individual achievement made in spite of Islam.
You’re pretty bad at pretending to be an agnostic Jew.
Yeah you got me, what can i say. but never knew hundus spoke arabic.
You’re not reading; Muslims stole the Hindu’s numeral system.
Mu?ammad ibn M?s? al-Khw?rizm? wrote On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals (c.825) and Al-Kindi On the Use of the Hindu Numerals (c.830).
If they can be so honest in giving credit where credit is due, then why can’t you?
Sure, they also stole alchemy and Algebra and other stuff, who are we kidding it was the americans who came up with these first after they took native lands.
native lands
You know, the First Rule of Holes is: Stop digging.
Yes, specially when you have 0 answers about the rest.
Pathological mendacity on your part does not constitute a lack of answers on my part.
Have nothing to say, so lets call them barbars and repeat it when they said something i can’t answer.
No, you’re still not telling the truth.
Try again.
Dont start about native lands, you stole more than others.
Even if we ignore Persian empire past, right now Iran lives on stolen Kurd land and stolen Arab land
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Hahaha, says the guy that his whole country is on stolen lands.
The Ottoman-Persian border is centuries old, btw & it was set forth through war. Weren’t you the one that was espousing how “won through war” means rightfully taken or some such?
The kurds were always in the middle, its not their fault.
I said that if country A attacks country X and in process loses land, thats completely fair.
Germany lots lots of lands after WW2, Russia still have enclave ion the otehr side of Europe.
Found it.
Treaty of Zuhab, signed between the Safavid Empire and the Ottoman Empire on May 17, 1639; It ended a series of conflicts between the two powers & vaguely demarcated the modern-day borders of Mesopotamia & Iran by confirming that Mesopotamia is unquestionably part of the Ottoman Empire. From there it took a bunch of other treaties to specifically decide which bit belongs to whom, specifically, but the overall border was set.
So, yeah, the Safavid Persians lost Iraq’s current eastern boundary to the Ottomans through war. Ergo, completely fair.
Yeah, those evil Americans took “native” (displaced backwoods hillbilly Asian) lands, because the Asians don’t have enough lands already.
And it’s not like the Muslims didn’t also violently invade, rape, genocide and conquer other people’s lands, familiar countries like, say: Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Turkey – all used to be Greek, Christian countries, with absolutely no Arabs (who all originated in, you know, the single country called “Arabia”) in them at all! Not to mention the Balkans and India (aka “Pakistan”)!
But Oh, wait – both algebra and alchemy were invented by pre-islamic people in Egypt, and then later given Arabic names, too.
Islam invented absolutely NOTHING. It simply violently invaded and enslaved many previously Greek, Christian countries, like Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq (and India and Iran,) destroyed them, and then, centuries later, pretended to rediscover their inventions.
Islam is a barbaric, might-makes-right-based, predatory parasite. It stifles thought, invents nothing, makes nothing, and does nothing but enslave and live off the works of all the civilized people it attacks.
Arabic “culture” is one of lies and liars, where one pretends one has done something, merely by having stated one intends to do it. That this has resulted in Arabs actually inventing nothing in the past is also proven by how they have invented nothing in the present, either – in all the Arab and muslim lands, there have been absolutely no Nobel science Prize winners; compare that with to the Jews, whose population is less than 1% of the Arabs (and much less than that of all the other non-Arab muslim countries) who have won so many.
Oh F off already. not a muslim not an arab, don’t care about your re*arded onesided toxic opinions.
Sorry, chimp, but objective FACTS are NOT subjective “opinions!”
lol, objective ? yeah sure, but same can be said about you, you are no better.
Wow, that’s pathetic. What are you, three years old? All you’ve got is projection (“I know you are, but what am I?” and “Islam isn’t an evil crime gang because you all do it, too! Whee!”). That’s really sad.
Yeah, you are talking about noble price when in that time it wasn’t existed. you hate them, you think they are barbars, and you want to kill em all. You are them.
let’s check some winners:
Aung San Suu Kyi – noble peace prize. a genocide is happening right now in her country with her command.
Shimon Peres – oh another one. of course kill people is peace.
Obama ? yeah drone strikes. oops sorry killed 100s of people in a village by mistake, don’t mind me, i go bomb there, ooooops, another mistake 300 more dead.
Oh, OK – I can see by your lack of diction and English comprehension as well as your penchant for defending holy-mobster muslims and the global crime-gang called islam, while pretending your’e not one of them, that you are, in fact, just another illiterate inbred lying muslim.
Bye!
Oh, his english is not good and i don’t have any answers to give him, he must be a inbred lying muslim.
Of course i’m going to defend them, most of them are harmless people that did nothing wrong, like most of people in the world, you can’t just s**t all over 1.6/7 of the world population while only a couple thousand of them are terrorist scums.
Indian numerals, as always been stolen by Arabs.
Indians invented them first.
alchemy ? indian chem stuff stolen bu arabs ?
Alchemy aside, the basis for most modern math actually first appeared with the Greeks, long before either Christianity or Islam emerged. It’s just that during the Dark Ages, Christian Europe reverted to being barely able to do more than “2+2 = 4” for a while, whereas the Arabs were actually advancing medicine & mathematics for some centuries, that is true.
As for the Arabic Numerals, on the other hand, they’re right I’m afraid 😛 Historians worked out some time ago that the Arabic Numerals are actually based on a Hindu Numeral System which the Arabs adapted to suit themselves. It’s why these days it’s officially referred to as the Hindu-Arabic Numeral System.
Well to these people there is no difference between hindus and arabs, they are all savages unless they are military allies or something, like saudis.
I don’t blame them, imagine going to your usual bar for your usual coffee and seeing all the streets filled with others who don’t speak your language. the day after you are watching news, some other people with the same language blowing themselves up in your streets and killing innocent people. there might be a reason for hate but it’s comes from emotion. emotion will blind you and facts becomes treason, they forget how they created thos Aholes themselves directly before all of this.
Who started it ? same guy calling for nuking other countries and killing all muslims. yet islam is bad and muslims are savages in their eyes. i’m not a fan either but man wishing death upon more than a billion people is whole new level of savagery. lol even look at John’s pinned comment, he said he is going to ban anyone who says something like F christians etc… yet no one ever said such a thing, on the other hand nuking other countries and killing all muslims and calling them whatever you pleased is ok ? by searching the world muslim you will find those but nah they deserve to die but don’t say F christians. It’s something SJWy for it’s own self.
I think John just used those as examples, to be fair 😛
Nah, pretty one sided examples if you aks me.
So you forgot your own history? Egypts? Byzantine Empire ?
How about Turkey? ever heard of Constantinople? The greatest Christian city? What happened to it?
What about Spain?
What about Ottoman Janissaries? taking European children as slaves and making them into soldiers? Or Berber and ottoman slave trade of Europeans?
I can go on and on, the muslim evildoing has no end.
Muslims love to remind Christians about the Crusades but conveniently ignore WHY Crusades happen, do you want me to tell you?
It happened because Muslims started killing christian pilgrims and attacking Constantinople, so they asked Pope for help and so the First crusade came to be.
Each new Crusade came to fight Muslims that took over Christian lands
Again, they had their barbaric share of time so as america. slavery wasn’t exclusive to muslims, you did it not long ago, you don’t like to being judged by that do you ? why muslims should ? what i don’t get is your moral superiority you put in all of things.
“Each new Crusade came to fight Muslims that took over Christian lands”
Yeah, especially the 4th.
Just tell him the truth, there are NO christian countries except Vatican, western countries are SECULAR and have no religious laws.
Greece called, it stated it’s proud to still be paying the Orthodox Church tax money every year.
Also, Italy still has an otto-per-mille tax law that allows people to divert a portion of their tax money to the Catholic Church.
That’s two, off the top of my head.
Thats not two but zero.
Is their constitution and or laws ar based on Biblical laws? Hell No, no stoning, no adultery laws so on.
Is anyone in the country FORCED to obey ANY religious laws either he wants it or not? Again the answer is no.
I know that for liberal westerners and especially the much hated SJW millennials, saying Marry Christmas equals to religious oppression but the reality is not even close to what actual religious oppression means.
Try googling ‘Oppression of Christians in Iran’ and enjoy.
They actually punish people for trying or converting someone from Islam, religious minorities have much less rights then muslims and cant have lots of governmental Jobs, some religions are outright banned, Iran is by the books Religious Apartheid regime.
Hundreds of Christians have been arrested since 2010. As of
December 2016, “approximately 90 Christians were in prison, detained, or awaiting trial because of their religious beliefs and activities.”
“Over the past year,” reports the USCIRF, “there were numerous incidents of Iranian authorities raiding church services, threatening church members, and arresting and imprisoning worshipers and church leaders, particularly Evangelical Christian converts.”
The most recent International Religious Freedom report by the State Department corroborates the information gleaned by the USCIRF. Muslims who convert to Christianity place themselves at severe risk of government retaliation. Armenian and Assyrian Christians, who have deep roots in Iran and the surrounding region, are also subject to persecution at the hands of the government:
The authorities required all churchgoers to register with them and
prevented Muslim converts to Christianity from entering Armenian or Assyrian churches, according to UN Special Rapporteur Shaheed. According to Christian community leaders, if the authorities found Armenian or Assyrian churches were baptizing new converts or preaching in Farsi, they closed the churches.
(Ever Heared of Bahá’i religion? When Iranian muslims started persecuting them, they found shelter in Israel and Canada.
In 1987 they build a huge temple and multilayered gardens, marvelous thing that you can see from space, very expensive to maintain but yet looks surgically clean and maintained.
Look it up its called Bahá’í gardens in Haifa)
It is not only Christians who suffer from persecution in Iran.
Members of the Baha’i faith face severe repression because they are viewed as heretics from Islam. “Since 1979, authorities have killed or executed more than 200 Baha’i leaders,” according to the USCIRF, “and more than 10,000 have been dismissed from government and university jobs.” The State Department reports that the government has “continued to prevent Bahais from burying their dead in accordance with their religious tradition, and continued demolition of the Bahai cemetery in Shiraz, where authorities had already destroyed over 400 of the 950
graves.”
Europe still has plenty of religious influences left to it. Sure, it’s not as bad as being a Christian in the Middle-East, obviously, but we’re not entirely secularised yet, either, legally or otherwise.
Say Im Jewish, please point me to European country (excluding Vatican) where ill be FORCED to obey some Christian religious laws against my wishes and if I disagree ill be punished.
Also please point me to any European country where its expected to dress in certain way for women, no matter her religion and there is police upholding the code.
Like I said, it’s not as bad as in the Middle-East, but there’s plenty of religious influences left, even to the present day. As far as I’m aware, anti-homosexuality dates back to Judaism itself, for example (homosexuality itself being legally punishable throughout much of Christendom until a few decades ago), whereas other societal norms are more specific to Judaeo-Christianity itself.
Yes, we’ve advanced into secularism far quicker & far more effectively than the Islamic faith, but even we aren’t fully devoid of religious influences over society, yet.
Even today there’s a distinct difference in how society behaves compared to how people were during the Roman Empire before Christianity. Is it legally coded as such? No, but it is religious influences that have shaped these mannerisms.
anti-homosexuality is natural occurrence, man have natural revolution for such act.
It has nothing to do with religion, all religions are made by man, so anti-homosexuality was introduced into religion not by religion.
In Godless USSR it was punishable by law.
Dont misunderstand me, im not against religion.
Im against enforced religion!
I dont care if you believe in Baba Yaga and dip your balls into the beehive 6 a day, if you do it quietly without forcing anyone to follow: You are welcome to do so.
The point im trying to make is that islam is incompatible with normal civilized world, islam always comes with enforcing its will on others.
i’ve been to the Bahá’í gardens
and walked through each and every of the 600 steps of that wondrous place
in all honesty, it’s more wondrous than any location on israel i’ve traveled to personally.
I did; I used the word “nominally.”
Uh, “we”? Yeah, no, sorry, but no;
“We” didn’t do anything, the Ottomans twice overthrew the Sultanate-Caliphate by themselves. “We” only invaded Arabia & further destabilised the crumbling Ottoman Empire during the First War – not to mention how “we” actually stood back & allowed the rise of Wahhabism in Arabia, even going so far as to allow the Saudis to depose the “rightful” King of Arabia, “because these people are friendlier.”
“We” then stood back & let them reestablish their Caliphate (so long as they didn’t call it a Caliphate, of course), while “we” proceeded to repeatedly beat the piss out of any Arab who dared defy his new Colonial Masters in the Mandates.
“We” created the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which has been defiling the Middle-East for a century, now. “We” created the Partition Plan that’s been defiling Israel-Palestine for 70 years now.
“We.”
The Turks, on the other hand, went secular on their own, Nassar secularised Egypt on his own, Iran was doing fine with their first Shah after the first coup “we” incited, but no, “we” don’t like him anymore, because he doesn’t want to give us cheap oil, so f*ck this *sshole, let’s replace him with his psychotic son, instead! Yeah, great plan. Really, really great plan.
All thanks to “we.” Except, oh, wait, “we” didn’t actually do sh*t except make the situation perpetually worse……. D0h!
make the situation perpetually worse
What is “worse” than Islamic rule, mandates to rape, enslave, and slaughter all who refuse the “invitation” to convert, and sacralized genocide, anti-Semitism, murder, torture, mutilation, slavery, religious and gender apartheid, wife-beating, polygyny, theft, arson, sedition, and treason? What’s “worse” than “kill the pagans wherever you find them” (Qur’an 9:5)?
If you’re going to talk about “we,” then who defeated the Ottoman Empire? Did they defeat themselves? Why do you think that reformers like Ataturk and Nasser were able to restrain Islam within their own borders (even if only temporarily)?
The West — and those who shared Western values, like Ataturk — did that.
But when you claim that “we” allowed Wahhabism to rise in Arabia, that shows only your ignorance of Islam. What many think is a novelty and an aberration in Islamic history is merely a modern presentation of essential Islam. And the house of Saud is no caliphate, as evidenced by devout Muslims’ warring against it (regardless of how many mosques they fund, they’re still seen as apostates).
And the only thing that’s been defiling “Palestine” — there is no such thing; the term is Roman bastardization of Philistine meant to insult the Jews — is Islam itself, and it’s been doing so since the seventh century.
Your historical perspective is very narrow. Yes, the United States has sought to influence events according to what our self-interests were perceived to be. But those leaders failed to understand the depth and breadth of Islamic tyranny, as do you.
Winston Churchill understood Islam, but he’s the last major Western leader to do so. I love Ronald Reagan, but he didn’t get it; he was focused on the Soviet Union and Iran. Jimmy Carter was (and is) an anti-Semitic apologist for Islam’s jihad against Israel (and he betrayed the Shah to his devilish enemies, Amir). Bill Clinton bombed Christian Yugoslavia defending itself against its own jihadist fiends. George W. Bush said that the God of the Bible and Islam’s allah are the same god, lied about the motivation for 9/11, used American military might to enshrine shari’a into the constitutions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and agitated for an independent Kosovo in the heart of Europe. And Barack Obama unfailingly did everything in his power to advance the rise of Islam throughout the world, including abandoning the free peoples of Iran protesting for reform (Amir!), helping overthrow more-or-less secular strong men in Libya and Egypt and replacing them with jihadists (in Egypt’s case, once the good people of that land removed the Obama-backed Muslim Brotherhood from power, the Jihadist-in-Chief denied them American support), and not only giving billions (!) in unmarked cash to Iran but green-lighting their nuclear genocide program.
So, yes, Americans (Europe’s no better; they’re actually aiding the Islamic conquest of their own lands) have done much to worsen the situation, but only because they refused to recognize, admit, and confront directly jihadist ideology, instead making excuses for and even aiding the jihad against us.
Kind of like what you’re doing, Zatara.
Well excuse me for recognising the difference between a simple deity-fearing &/or worshipping individual that wants to praise the deity in question while also worshipping a book that talks about a monotheistic faith, but doesn’t want to keep his wife as a legal slave (sound familiar, maybe?), or impose his chosen religion upon all the heathens throughout the world & a nutjob that wants to chop off people’s hands while destroying 9/10ths of the world’s culture “because heretical.”
“We” propped up the Ottoman Empire for over a century even as it was crumbling to pieces decade after decade because “we” were terrified of what was going to happen once it actually fell to pieces. “We” stood back & allowed them to abuse the Christians in the Balkans for centuries, even going so far as to outright refuse them the right to declare their independence from the Ottomans, lest such motions would serve to further destabilise the East. It literally took years of war & multiple massacres before the Great (Christian) Powers literally took pity on the Greeks that were being butchered throughout the Empire & decided to give them a tiny rump state – only to then subsequently repeatedly humiliate them over & over by intervening in their affairs time & time again in order to suit themselves & their continued ambitions for a strong, enduring Ottoman Empire – even if that came at the cost of more Christian lives. “We.”
Only when they finally allied against “we” by mistakenly throwing in their lot with the Germans at the start of the 20th century did “we” finally decide to go in & kill as many of them as necessary in order to beat the rest into submission behind the arbitrary lines in the sand which we’d drawn for them, using no historical or cultural basis what-so-ever.
There have been extensive studies about this, in fact, discussing how if certain treaties had been upheld to or other scenarios had played out, the Ottoman Empire with its Sultan-Caliph could otherwise very likely still be alive & well, today, in the 21st century. And of course, since they’d control all of the oil in the Middle-East, not a single sh*t would be said about them, just as nobody says a single sh*t about Saudi Arabia in our timeline, either.
As for Ataturk & Nasser; please, let’s not act as if Ataturk didn’t fly right in the face of everything that we had planned for Anatolia by seizing the territory he considered “rightfully part of Turkey” under all of our noses, in direct defiance of all our partition plans. The only reason Turkey’s current borders are the way they are is because he carved them out to be like that, in direct defiance of the “we” & our (granted, delusional) plans for the Near East (I mean, for f*ck’s sake, Greece was never going to get Constantinople any more than Wilsonian Armenia was ever going to endure until the end of the decade). Likewise, Nasser hated “us” & even humiliated “us” by throwing “we” out of the Suez Canal when “we” invaded him to “put him back into his place.”
You should look into Arabia if you don’t believe me about Wahabbism. “We” literally stepped aside & abandoned the powerful Arabs which “we” had made friends of & promised territory & crowns to in favour of the Saudi Family once “we” decided it would be too much effort to help them out & instead opted to degrade ourselves to making deals with the Saudi savages, “because f*ck it.”
Churchill was just racist, he understood Islam in the sense of “it’s not Christianity, they’re filthy brown people & they breed too much as far as I’m concerned.” He had similar thoughts about the Indians, which were not at all specific to the Islamic Indians, for that matter. So yeah, I suppose one could argue he “understood” Islam as best as he cared to, if you want to share that point of view of his.
Clinton bombed Yugoslavia because he had to show the world that the US World Police was still in charge & was going to continue doing as it pleased in the aftermath of the Soviet Union’s collapse & that NATO still had a purpose to serve, as people were expecting the alliance to be dissolved in the aftermath of the USSR’s collapse. As such, if it wasn’t for Yugoslavia’s untimely (but quasi-inevitable) demise, it would have probably been some African sh*thole that got *ssraped by NATO instead, Muslim-dominant or otherwise.
Besides, Bosnia was only a single face of the Yugoslav conflicts. Yes, it was a major part of the overall wars, but it was the age-old Serbia vs. Croatia (both Christian countries, albeit, one is Catholic & the other is Orthodox) rivalry that pushed things over the edge long before the Bosnians started rising up with the desire to form their own unified but independent state, instead of letting Bosnia get partitioned between Serbia & Croatia as they saw fit. As a result, the Bosnian situation continues to be a standing issue as the Srpska Republic is all-but formally unified with Serbia, Croatia is agitating to annex a piece of Croat-inhabited Herzegovina & Bosnia itself is just trying to hold everything together, even though the country is fundamentally split between Srpska & Bosnia-Herzegovina itself.
Ergo, Bosnia would arguably most likely still be Bosnia today if the Bosniaks had converted to Maronite Christianity, or Judaism or Hinduism or whatever-the-f*ck-you want, instead of Islam. Hell, they could have converted to Zoroastrianism if some non-Islamic Iranian Empire had invaded, instead, but no, it just so happens that they converted to Islam & they didn’t want to be absorbed into Greater Serbia or Greater Croatia, as was almost the case repeatedly throughout the 20th century (see: Tripartite Austria-Hungary).
As for Kosovo; no sh*t. An independent Kosovo during George The Monkey’s era meant another potential NATO member which can be pointed at Russian-supported Serbia, unlike a Kosovo unified with Albania. After all, Albania only ended up joining NATO in 2009, after that particular psychopath was finally tossed out of the White House (only to be replaced with an even worse one >.>).
We agree on Obama, though, with the exception of the Iran deal as I’m still not sure how that’s going to work out, personally. There’s an interesting theory at play, for example, that the entire nuclear program was just a ploy to get the world to lift some of the sanctions against Iran. Whether or not that’s actually true, I honestly have no idea what-so-ever, but either way, time will tell in this case. Regardless, Iran is progressing. Slowly, absolutely, very slowly, even, but it is actually progressing.
To be clear, I don’t want to see the Muslim population numbers in Europe go up anymore than any other [non-Socialist-leaning] average EU citizen (besides the fact that this moronic project of Fuhrer Merkel’s is costing us all billions that could otherwise be spent on something actually useful to us, the actual tax-paying citizens), but I do choose to recognise the difference between an ordinary, religious individual & a warmongering psychopath that chooses to take certain religious texts far too literally. Case in point: Christians shooting &/or blowing up Abortion Clinics across America “because this is a sin against God!” vs. your average “Church on Sunday” Americans.
I mean, if we really want to go there, 1,000 years ago Christians used to crucify people who turned their backs on Christianity & up until the late 1950’s divorce was still a taboo in our “progressive” society, etc. etc. etc. It’s really only in recent decades that we’ve truly begun to separate our own religious beliefs from the state, even as we openly & repeatedly condemn the Muslims for not doing the same, even as we repeatedly destabilise their secular oppressive yet progressive governments, only to replace them with psychotic semi-totalitarian Islamic Sharia states – as you yourself pointed out, even.
And though I hate repeating myself, as I pointed out to the other guy in another post; 60 years after the French Revolution & the secularisation of France, Napoleon III was still forced at all but gunpoint to send troops into Rome in order to restore the Supreme Pontiff to power over the Papal States, or else see the French Catholics abandon him in droves – something which would have most likely ended up costing him his crown, for that matter.
My point being, as always; secularisation doesn’t happen overnight. It takes time, it takes generations, even & every time we intervene & remove a secular government from the Middle-East only to replace it with some Islamic nutters, we make things worse. Ergo, every time we intervene in the Middle-East, we make things worse.
You use “we” for quite a lot of things. To be clear, at first, I was referring to the non-Muslim West. Then, I was referring to the United States and our presidents since Carter.
You’re right about the Armenian, Greek, and Assyrian holocausts under Ottoman rule, and you’re right about Europe’s indifference to the innocents suffering there. (American politicians and media covered for Hitler until they couldn’t, and they’ve never stopped covering for Stalin.)
France’s revolution though close in time was far in nature from America’s; ours was a war for the rights of Man, but theirs was a socialist, eat-the-rich frenzy.
You don’t understand the difference between Christianity and Islam: Christ’s teachings are the foundation of our modern notions of Liberty, equality, and human rights; to separate Christianity from the American Declaration, Constitution, and systems of government would be to obliterate them.
On the other hand, Islam demands the subjugation and slaughter of all who refuse the “invitation” to convert.
And the American system is not one of a separation of Church and state, meaning that religion must be kept out of the public sphere, but one in which religion is protected from government intrusion. (The phrase “wall of separation” was Thomas Jefferson’s reassuring several pastors that their freedom of religion would be kept safe from politicians’ grubby paws.)
With regard to individual Muslims, there are good and decent people who deserve our support: the Ahmadiyya, who reject offensive jihad and are persecuted as apostates by their more orthodox coreligionists in even modern and moderate Muslim states like Indonesia; Egyptian president El-Sisi, who attended an Orthodox Christmas service (first Muslim president to do so) and denounced jihad at Al-Azhar, the “Vatican” of Sunni Islam; and American physician Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, who acknowledges the violent core of Islam’s authoritative texts but argues for a new and peaceful interpretation.
The problem for the non-Muslim of good will is that these people are far outnumbered by adherents to traditional, orthodox, historical Islam, people who can point to the words and deeds of Muhammad in support of their depravity. A decent man can’t win arguments over a proper interpretation of Islam when the butcher can point to Muhammad’s “divine” example.
That is why there may be moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not “moderate.”
As for Churchill, to what can you point that he said that is racist? The quote I was thinking of was from his history on his time in the Sudan, in which he wrote:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
“A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property — either as a child, a wife, or a concubine — must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science — the science against which it had vainly struggled — the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”
Winston Churchill, Churchill, Winston S. (1899), The River War, First edition, Vol. II, pp. 248-250
What there sounds racist to you?
And divorce is a sin; mainstreaming it has not been “progress.”
It wasn’t just the Americans, many conservative circles supported Hitler for a long time. The UK BBC was an active (quiet) supporter of fascism in the years leading up to the war, for example. Good point on Stalin, much like Churchill, his reputation as “the hero of the Great Patriotic War” has sadly far-engulfed the rest of their careers…… Coupled with various propaganda-espousing circles, of course.
Speaking of Churchill; During the Bengal famine, Churchill basically blamed India’s problems on the Indians “breeding like rabbits” & refused to consider the secession of India from the Empire under any circumstances. Likewise, he was one of the first to set forth the policies that ended up governing the Mandates for decades through the “kill as many as necessary & then a few more, just in case” mindset that’s been destroying the Middle-East ever since Lawrence failed to warns the Arabs of the West’s intentions to betray them.
As a result, I expect that if given the opportunity to do so, he would most likely have gladly massacred the Indians into submission much in the same manner, regardless of their varied religious beliefs. Let’s also not forget what the West did to the Assyrians by denying them their own state, as well – one of the oldest Christian communities in the world, but anyway.
As for that last line; I must say that’s rather ironic, really, considering how many historians today argue that Christianity actually adversely affected Rome by assisting & furthering its decline & eventual downfall, but since there’s no definitive opinions on the matter, I’ll just leave it at that.
We can agree that the French & American Revolutions were quite far apart in nature, but other than that, I have to say, I love how you view the American one contrasted to the French one. So, let me see if I’m getting this right; a starving mob can’t overthrow their(“God-ordained”) Monarch who’s telling them to “f*ck off & eat cake,” but the Colonial Slave-owning Businessmen of the New World can overthrow their (“God-ordained”) Monarch “because like this we’ll make us more money,” right?
Regardless, you’ll want to dig deeper into the entire affair; yes, the Jacobins were basically Proto-Socialists, but they were only a single faction of the French Revolutionary forces. Yes, they were the radicals responsible for the “Committee of Public Safety” & its psychotic overuse of the Guillotine (i.e. the Reign of Terror period), but more than anything, they just happened to come to power in much the same way as the Bolsheviks just happened to emerge as the dominant Communist faction in the aftermath of the Russian Empire’s collapse due to Lenin, Trotsky & Stalin, of course.
Whereas the Jacobins were a fact that was (no, seriously) actually elected to the National Assembly & subsequently went mad with power, unlike the Bolsheviks which instead seized everything through armed conquest. Regardless, however, the point is that they only came to power after the Revolution itself had already occurred & the rights of man had been declared. Napoleon then subsequently in turn deposed the Committee & rose to power through their deposition.
In fact, there really isn’t much to compare between the two; the French Revolution was chaos & madness that was randomly incited by an angry mob, whereas the American Revolution was an organised revolt against the British Crown. The only thing they fundamentally have in common is their desire to remove the Monarchy, everything else is completely different.
Though even that is debatable, since the French initially didn’t even want that, they just wanted the King to agree to a Constitution, which he refused to do. Then came the Bastille & everything went to sh*t. Regardless, I’m rambling.
“You don’t understand the difference between Christianity and Islam”
Perhaps not, or perhaps I just see the two differently. For example, Christianity in the 21st Century is nothing like Christianity in the 10th Century, yet at the very least I think we can both agree that Christianity has in fact changed for the better? Even if only in certain specific ways, I suppose. As a result, I choose to give Islam the same chance to likewise evolve beyond their primal, primitive roots, just like Christianity did, which is something they have already begun to do. Their progress is painfully slow, no question about that, but regardless, there has been progress…… between the massive steps back that we’ve repeatedly forced upon them, that is.
“Christ’s teachings are the foundation of our modern notions of Liberty, equality, and human rights”
Well, yes & no. Besides the fact that Christianity initially looked nothing like what Jesus of Nazareth espoused to his followers & even Modern Christianity still isn’t quite there yet, the basic ideas that he orated by far predated him in one form or another, though they were sadly lost in the immediate aftermath & subsequently for the longest of time as a result, as people instead chose to decipher his teachings as they saw fit, usually with tragic results.
“to separate Christianity from the American system of government is to obliterate it.”
Again, yes & no. It is an undeniable fact that America was founded using progressive Christian values (progressive for the time, at least, if nothing else) & Christianity has continued to play a massive role in shaping & forming American Society ever since, as it has with all of Christendom, even, but by this point in time there’s really very few Christian-specific values left within the American Legal System, most of which ought to arguably be removed, rather than sustained (abortion still being down to state law, for example), though our opinions on those will undoubtedly vary, as they do with divorce. Speaking of;
“That’s why secularism in one case would undermine the greatest civilization in the history of Man and in the other case, make civilization possible.
The American system is not one of a separation of Church and state — meaning that religion must be kept out of the public sphere — but one in which religion is protected from government intrusion. (The phrase “wall of separation” was Thomas Jefferson’s reassuring a group of pastors that their freedom of religion would be kept safe from interference.)”
“And divorce is a sin; mainstreaming it has not been “progress.”
That’s your personal opinion, however, which is actively coloured by your own personal religious beliefs, being my entire point. As far as I’m concerned, that doesn’t exactly justify the State of Kentucky attempting to use the American Legal (court) System to shut down the last Abortion Clinic in the state under the justification of “my religious rights [will &/or should] protect me from having to suffer women aborting innocent fetuses!” Obviously, as already stated, our views will differ on the subject, but it is what it is; modern “secular” society has yet to compare to some of the freedoms that Greeks & Romans enjoyed during their civilisation’s respective heydays – whereas on the other hand, we’ve considerably advanced in other fields, in part thanks to Christianity, I’ll grant you that, sure.
Now, like I said; I have nothing against people practising whatever faith they choose within the confines of their own home &/or religious activity areas (ex. Churches, Mosques, etc.), but when they try to impose those beliefs on their spouses, neighbours &/or the state by affecting the free rule of law “because my Holy Scripture says [insert] is a sin!” I draw the line, hard, regardless of what book says it, or from where it originates.
Same as with the “no alcohol” laws in many Islamic states; beyond the fact that it costs them money, they’re imposing their religious beliefs on foreigners, especially businessmen & tourists “because religion.” Sure, that doesn’t quite compare to divorce & women’s rights issues, but you get my point?
“On the other hand, Islam demands the subjugation and slaughter of all who refuse the “invitation” to convert, and various Muslim rulers have sought to fulfill its mandates, as knowledge, zeal, resources, and opportunity have allowed.”
Here’s a counter; “On the other hand, the Church demands the subjugation & slaughter of all who refuse the “invitation” to convert & various Christian rulers h ave sought to fulfill its mandates, as knowledge, zeal, resources & opportunity have allowed (ex: the Polish Monarch inviting the Teutonic Knights to brutalise Pagan Prussia into submission, since he didn’t have the resources to do so himself).”
Or, if you would rather a different example; the Roman Empire becoming less & less tolerant of Pagans after Constantine as their numbers continued to swell, in much the same way as devout followers of Islam become less & less tolerant the bigger their population % in a country becomes.
Of course, as previously stated, such views for the average Christian have mellowed out in the last few decades, but there are still powerful conservative groups that would gladly see us return to the days of “onward Christian soldiers, we’ve heathens to convert! With force, if necessary.” In much the same way as there are still plenty of Islamic radicals ready to take advantage of any power vacuum presented to them with in order to restore any sort of Caliphate what-so-ever, no matter for how long or how little territory they actually control.
“With regard to individual Muslims, there are good and decent people who deserve our support […..] The problem is that these people are far outnumbered by adherents to traditional, orthodox, historical Islam […..]”
The same was once true for many other subjects. Slavery, for example; the Good Christians arguing against Slavery were once a tiny ostracised minority which were continuously ridiculued & humiliated by their family & peers, but which eventually grew to engulf entire continents in a massive, decades-long struggle for emancipation across all of Christendom. Centuries ago several Popes in fact even issued Papal decrees granting Christian Monarchs the right enslave the “savage heathens” of Africa, for example.
Likewise, as you said yourself, there are factions within Islam arguing for new interpretations of their religious texts, arguably in much the same manner as the Church’s interpretation of the Bible & “God’s will” has changed over the centuries (case in point; the Seventh Commandment in regards to Slavery).
There may be moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not “moderate.”
Neither was Christianity, for the longest of time. However, as the saying goes; “times change.” Sure, there will arguably always be radical Islamists, but in that vein, there will arguably also always be radical Christians, both of whom will choose to believe in older, far more conservative versions of their respective religions, even as the average follower will instead opt for more mellow teachings. In closing, yes, Islam’s is a history of blood & carnage, but for that matter, so is Christianity’s, not to say just about every religion’s, ever, as religion, by its very nature, comes with both good & bad, especially as they grow more powerful – monotheistic faiths especially so.
Damn, this was long.
It wasn’t just the Americans, many conservative circles
Sounds like your idea of “conservative” is different from our idea of conservative.
Churchill basically blamed India’s problems on the Indians “breeding like rabbits” & refused to consider the secession of India
Do you have any evidence that his position was racist?
ever since Lawrence failed to warns the Arabs of the West’s intentions to betray them.
Would you ever speak in those terms of someone’s betraying the Nazis? It is impossible to betray Islam, since it is utterly evil.
Christianity actually adversely affected Rome by assisting & furthering its decline & eventual downfall
Hardly honest opinions; Rome fell because it couldn’t secure its borders. The Roman Empire subjugated, persecuted, murdered, and enslaved, children could be killed at will. Christianity worked against that depravity. Those Christian kingdoms that resulted after the fall preserved Roman culture: in the eastern Roman Empire, obviously, and in the west, Visigoth kings perpetuated Roman practices; even their coins had the face of the Byzantine king on them.
a starving mob can’t overthrow their(“God-ordained”) Monarch who’s telling them to “f*ck off & eat cake,” but the Colonial Slave-owning Businessmen of the New World can overthrow their (“God-ordained”) Monarch “because like this we’ll make us more money,” right?
We can agree on your characterization of the French Revolution, but it looks like you understand ours not at all.
the French initially didn’t even want that, they just wanted the King to agree to a Constitution, which he refused to do. Then came the Bastille
The fact that George Washington’s “son” the Marquis de Lafayette gave his father a key to the Bastille (it’s on display in Washington’s Mount Vernon) would indicate that some saw it as a fight for freedom.
Christianity in the 21st Century is nothing like Christianity in the
10th Century, yet at the very least I think we can both agree that
Christianity has in fact changed for the better?
This is one of those places — as in discussing Islam — where definitions matter. When I define a religion, I refer to its founder’s words and deeds, the religion’s sacred texts, traditional doctrines, etc.
That’s why a “Christian” who rapes and murders no more represents Christianity than a Muslim who genuinely cares for and protects his non-Muslim neighbors.
The Christianity of the Middle Ages in the western Church got pretty far from Christ’s teachings — no doubt due in part to Islam’s degenerative influence over centuries of oppression and war. From where would Christians get the idea that the coercive power of the state had any role at all in religious matters? How could a pope possibly affirm to his listeners that violence (even in a noble cause) could bring about the forgiveness of sins?
Besides the corruptions within the western Church’s leadership and general Biblical illiteracy of the laity, there was a fusion of religion and government, and that never ends well, even among the well-intentioned.
I choose to give Islam the same chance to likewise evolve beyond their primal, primitive roots, just like Christianity did, which is something they have already begun to do. Their progress is painfully slow, no question about that, but regardless, there has been progress…… between the massive steps back that we’ve repeatedly forced upon them, that is.
That’s a common misunderstanding in the West: Christianity’s origin (in Christ and His Apostles) was the high-water mark; it was religion in its purest and most sublime form. What you call “primal” and “primitive” is the corruption that occurred as the state attempted to control, misuse, and abuse religion in contradiction to Christ’s teachings.
Islam is the opposite; it can never “reform” because it’s purest state — the form of Islam preached and practiced by Muhammad himself — is what you see with Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, and the rest of the Muslim alphabet.
Whereas James Madison can point to Martin Luther (who pointed to Christ) and say, “Freedom of religion,” no one can point to Muhammad except to say, “Convert or die.”
Besides the fact that Christianity initially looked nothing like what Jesus of Nazareth espoused to his followers
That’s completely false.
It is an undeniable fact that America was founded using
progressive Christian values (progressive for the time, at least,
The United States is the first (and really only, considering Liberia’s difficulties) nation in the history of Man not founded on tribal affiliations but on the idea that the living God gives to each and every human being certain unalienable rights, not least among which are the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
Liberty under law for all is truly “progressive” (and not the Orwellian misnomer we’re used to).
That’s your personal opinion, however, which is actively coloured by your own personal religious beliefs
You’d like to think that, but the facts don’t support it. Do you have any idea of what happens to children of divorce, kids raised without (usually) a father? (Not to mention the damage it does to the couple?)
Actively encouraging the breaking of a most sacred vow can only undermine a society.
that doesn’t exactly justify the State of Kentucky attempting to use the American Legal (court) System to shut down the last Abortion Clinic in the state under the justification of “my religious rights [will &/or should] protect me from having to suffer women aborting innocent fetuses!”
Forget opinion; what is abortion? It is the literal burning, crushing, poisoning, and tearing apart of children in the womb (and too often, just outside of it).
Every innocent human being is entitled to having his rights to Life and Liberty protected. Don’t you agree?
some of the freedoms that Greeks & Romans enjoyed during their civilisation’s respective heydays
They practiced slavery and conquered nations.
but when they try to impose those beliefs […] “because my Holy Scripture says [insert] is a sin!” I draw the line, hard, regardless of what book says it, or from where it originates.
Do you see what you’re missing? Our understanding of the rights of Man come from one Holy Scripture in particular. Remove the belief that our rights are the gift of God, and those rights are completely undermined and indefensible, as Muhammad, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al., have proven throughout history.
“no alcohol” laws in many Islamic states
There is no joy in Islam. (Not that I equate alcohol with joy; I don’t.)
“On the other hand, Islam demands the subjugation and slaughter of all who refuse the “invitation” to convert […] Here’s a counter; “On the other hand, the Church says God demands the subjugation & slaughter of all who refuse the “invitation” to convert
The first is a fact; the second a lie.
the Roman Empire becoming less & less tolerant of Pagans after Constantine as their numbers continued to swell, in much the same way as devout followers of Islam become less & less tolerant the bigger their population % in a country becomes.
The difference is that the Son of God demands that His people love their neighbors as themselves, but Muhammad preached and practiced the rape, enslavement, and slaughter of all who refuse Islam.
“onward Christian soldiers
The hymn is referring to spiritual warfare. Islam requires actual, physical slaughter.
The same was once true for many other subjects. Slavery, for example; the Christians arguing against Slavery were once a tiny, ostracised minority
Christianity ended slavery; its practice by “Christian” nations was a violation of Christ’s teachings. But slavery is essential to Islam.
there are factions within Islam arguing for new interpretations of their religious texts, arguably in much the same manner as the Church’s interpretation of the Bible & “God’s will” has changed over the centuries (case in point; the Seventh Commandment in regards to Slavery).
Please see my point above; those few decent Muslims have no scriptural or historical leg to stand on. In contrast, when Christians deviate from Christ’s teachings, bad things happen.
(The Seventh Commandment forbids adultery.)
there will arguably always be radical Islamists
There will always be, as long as Muhammad is considered the prophet of a deity. (And they’re not “radical”; they’re obedient.)
You’re right, I should have been more specific; certain right-wing circles of the Interwar time, whereas now it’s the modern American NeoCon & Imperialist that upholds the Cult of Churchill.
“I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”
Arguably that could very easily be extended to include the Indians of Asia, but without intending to get into discussions about the British Empire’s society & their views towards “the Continent”, Catholics, etc. since, as always, not everyone held these views, but “White Protestantism” was definitely a part of the Empire’s society, hands down. Whether that excuses Churchill or not, is down to each individual person I’d argue, since it’s not always easy to overlay ideologies of a different time period onto the modern age.
Lawrence claimed to be assisting the Arabs against the Ottomans in their question for an Arab Nation that was supposed to be sponsored by the English, but secretly, Lawrence was assisting the Arabs against the Ottomans in their quest for an Arab Nation until such point in time as the English were ready to step in & take over from them.
By comparison, the Nazis were actively wiping out portions of the Continent as they saw fit. Hell, I’d go even further as to say that the comparison is a bit moot, not just considering our differing views on Islam, but in particular how the Arabs were not interested in expanding their nation beyond Arabia itself, unlike the Germans who were literally, officially at war with half the world, hence the use of the term “World War 2.”
Sure, we can say “Islam says bla bla bla” but until the unified Arab Nation that they were promised actually lived up to Islam’s “bla bla bla” by making actual moves against its neighbours, I’d argue the comparison is moot, in my opinion.
The argument for Rome being that their new religion weakened their mental disposition towards retaining &/or expanding their Empire because Christianity gave them Paradise, an afterlife for everyone regardless of what, whereas their previous religion had a more segregated Underworld that valued only the bravest of warriors with an actual afterlife.
Yeah, it’s strange, I don’t fully understand the basis for it, either.
As for the Christian Kingdoms that succeeded the Empire; well, yes & no. They retained Christianity & its culture more than anything (to a degree) & were even influenced by Rome (the German conversion from Aryan Christianity to Catholicism, for example) but none of them ever lived up to the grandeur & magnificence of Rome. The Byzantine Empire likewise devolved into its own thing after a while, as it had different cultural centres & ideologies. Hell, even its language was eventually abandoned in favour of Greek – and needless to say, the Great Schism is also a thing.
Like I said, once the angry mob stormed the Bastille looking for weapons, things escalated. From there, things inevitably continued escalating, in no small part because of the events of the Bastille. I mean, it really was a historic moment in French history unto itself, though we’d be looking at it rather differently if the Revolution had actually failed.
“This is one of those places — as in discussing Islam — where definitions matter. When I define a religion, I refer to its founder’s words and deeds, the religion’s sacred texts, traditional doctrines, etc.
[…..]
Besides the corruptions within the western Church’s leadership and general Biblical illiteracy of the laity, there was a fusion of religion and government, and that never ends well, even among the well-intentioned.”
This part is interesting. That last paragraph, in particular, which I can actually agree with fully 😛
“What you call “primal” and “primitive” is the corruption that occurred as the state attempted to control, misuse, and abuse religion in contradiction to Christ’s teachings.”
Aha. Like the Roman Senate deciding what “rightfully” belongs in the Bible, dismissing certain texts because of how they portrayed Jesus & other important individuals, etc? Huh. So, in short form, you’re saying 21st Century’s Christianity is basically a return to the religion’s original roots, rather than the twisted versions of Christianity that emerged throughout Christendom in the subsequent centuries? Interesting. Very interesting.
I must admit, I never thought about it quite like that.
“The United States is the first (and really only, considering Liberia’s difficulties) nation in the history of Man not founded on tribal affiliations but on the idea that the living God gives to each and every human being certain unalienable rights, not least among which are the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Tribal affiliations? Interesting. I mean, that’s one way to look at it, sure. After all, the Greeks defined anyone who spoke Greek as a Hellene & that ideology basically continued to permeate human thought, though the Roman “anyone within our borders is a citizen” ideology has also come into play very often, alongside more imperialistic urges in the case of many other states & powers, but in that vein, weren’t the 13 colonies basically modern, oversized tribes of their own who came together through their shared culture & desire to defy their rightful overlord?
I mean, it’s not like 3 of them were English colonies, while another 2 were French & the rest were Spanish, or whatnot. Yeah, sure, the Union eventually expanded into French & Spanish territory (& almost annexed most of Mexico, as well), but while its roots were definitely deeply embedded in Christianity (as the Dollar says, “In God We Trust”) it wasn’t just about that, specifically – though, as I said, it was definitely founded with “progressive” Christian values in mind.
“Liberty under law for all is truly “progressive” (and not the Orwellian misnomer we’re used to).
Agreed, in full.
“You’d like to think that, but the facts don’t support it. Do you have any idea of what happens to children of divorce, kids raised without (usually) a father? (Not to mention the damage it does to the couple?)”
Sure, but not everyone has children. Alternatively, others sometimes choose to remain together until their children are adults, etc. My own parents, for example, spent almost a decade being non-legally separated (i.e. unofficially), choosing only to remain legally married in order to avoid the troubles of divorce that you yourself mentioned. However, not everyone is capable of such a challenge.
As for the couple itself; well, from personal experience, I’d argue that sometimes people are most definitely better off without each other, than with. On that note, ever watched Italian Style Divorce? Scenes From a Marriage? 😛 Agreed about missing fathers, however, though that does come down to a case-by-case basis affair, as some people are terrible parents which their kids are better off without, whereas others could have actually used a father.
“Actively encouraging the breaking of a most sacred vow can only undermine a society.”
That is an interesting point, however.
“Every innocent human being is entitled to having his rights to Life and Liberty protected. Don’t you agree?”
Sure, but on the other hand, abortions amongst certain economic classes (for example) also means lowered crime rates (yes, there’s scientific evidence to back this up), which in turn means a reduction on that ungodly criminal “justice” system, especially considering how yours has been playing host 1/4th of the world’s total inmate population for…. a decade, now? If not longer, even, I think. Hell, India’s “sterilisation in exchange for a radio” program may have been cruel from a humanitarian short-term point of view, but in the long-term had it been retained it would definitely have helped with their excessive beggars problem (for example).
I mean, yeah, in a better world, especially with the current issue of declining birth rates throughout the West I’d be far more mixed on that position (using a case-by-case basis approach, basically), but realistically speaking, in our world as it currently is….. Honestly I’d rather settle for less crime first & foremost, really. But of course, that’s just me.
“They practiced slavery and conquered nations.”
Yes, that also, amongst other things, like creating democracy, carving ridiculously detailed sculptures out of marble, building the marvels of the ancient world, giving birth to philosophy, math, etc, yeah, sure 😛
“Do you see what you’re missing? Our understanding of the rights of Man come from one Holy Scripture in particular. Remove the belief that our rights are the gift of God, and those rights are completely undermined and indefensible, as Muhammad, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al., have proven throughout history.”
Ah, the fallible Laws of Man vs. the seemingly-infallible Laws of a Deity, you mean?
“The hymn”
Oh, right, that’s where the expression is originally from >.< (I forgot ^^)
“There is no joy in Islam. (Not that I equate alcohol with joy; I don’t.)”
Heh ^^
“The first is a fact; the second a lie.”
You’re right, I ended up confusing the Church with Christian Monarchs, that one’s on me. It was Christendom’s Monarchs who….. “convinced” people to accept Christianity, rather than the Pope himself or the Church, my bad, there, agreed, I should have checked that first.
“The difference is that the Son of God demands that His people love their neighbors as themselves”
Yes, but historically that hasn’t always been the case, being my point. Jesus espoused a lot of really great things, but a lot of them were for the longest of time either warped or ignored, entirely. As you’ve seemingly pointed out, that’s changed in recent times as we’ve….. regressed? back to a purer form of Christianity, but even so, that problem does remain alive, even today.
“Christianity ended slavery”
Well, sure, that’s one argument that can be made, absolutely; that slavery ended because of Christianity, though I would also point out that one can argue slavery was eventually going to end regardless, due to nothing more than the simple advancement of society into the age of scientific enlightenment, which would have brought with it a reconsideration of various beliefs & ideologies, slavery included. However, yes, in our timeline of events, Christianity no doubt helped bring about the fall of slavery in the West, absolutely.
“Please see my point above; those few decent Muslims have no scriptural or historical leg to stand on. In contrast, when Christians deviate from Christ’s teachings, bad things happen.”
“There will always be, as long as Muhammad is considered the prophet of a deity. (And they’re not “radical”; they’re obedient.)”
Hm >.<
In regards to the Seventh Commandment, I was referring to this passage (I recently came across it by chance);
"The new Catechism of the Catholic Church published in 1994 sets out the official position:
The Seventh Commandment forbids acts or enterprises that …. lead to the enslavement of human beings, to their being bought, sold and exchanged like merchandise, in disregard for their personal dignity. It is a sin against the dignity of persons and their fundamental rights to reduce them by violence to their productive value or to a source of profit. St. Paul directed a Christian master to treat his Christian slave “no longer as a slave but more than a slave, as a beloved brother …. both in the flesh and in the Lord.”
NeoCon […] Imperialist
I love Churchill, and I am neither one of those. (I’ll have to think about your quotation; it is possible to refer to a group of people in those terms without doing so on specifically racial grounds.)
No political body ever had a say on which texts belonged in the Biblical canon; despite the disagreement between Roman Catholics and Protestants on which texts should be included (an inside-baseball-type question; I’d love to discuss it, but I don’t want to bore you), the Bible we have today is closer than ever to what Jesus, His Apostles, and the early Church possessed.
What I mean by America’s being the first (and really only) nation not formed on the basis of tribal affiliations is that in our Founding document, our “birth certificate,” and American Creed, the Declaration of Independence, our Founders affirmed clearly that all human beings are given by God the same rights to Life and Liberty. Everyone, regardless of gender, melanin content, ancestry, income, appearance, national origin, or state of servitude. It took us awhile to overcome the Democrats’ defense of racial hatred and slavery, but promise is fulfilled.
You seem to confuse “Arab” and Islam: Arab is a genetic distinction, but Islam is a belief system. Islam has been expanding, conquering, subjugating, enslaving, usurping, and slaughtering for nearly one and one-half millennia, and it’s got nothing to do with national origin or DNA.
If you want to know what Islam was, is, and will be, look at Muhammad. Islam’s “sacred” texts make zero effort to hide his crimes against God and Man; in fact, because he is Allah’s “Ideal Man” and a “beautiful pattern of conduct,” they brag about them.
Not having children is vastly different from murdering them once they’re here.
Right, my bad, I’ve been meaning to get to this all week, but I keep forgetting ^^
In regards to NeoCon Imperialists, I should have been more specific; I was referring to politicians, not your average citizen or historian (unless you’re a politician? :P). As to the quote; true.
Yeah, my bad, I confused the Roman Senate with the First Council of Nicaea…. Awkward >.<
Oh? That's interesting. But, which version is that, exactly, I'm a little lost, King James' Bible? Or?
Oh, I see. The original, purest possible definition of "the land of the free", literally in every sense of the phrase, as it openly embraced everyone from everywhere?
Right, but the Arabs were the first Muslims, the "original" Muslims, even, unlike how the Roman Empire's mixed ethnic nature meant that the various peoples of it converted to Christianity at their own pace, leaving us with no definitive ethnic group &/or "peoples" with which to credit as the "source" of Christianity, other than Jesus & the Apostles themselves. I mean, Islam actually went so far as to actually unify the Arab Tribes for the first time in history by giving them the fuel they needed to conquer North Africa, East Anatolia/The Caucasus & even the Persians.
Like, I get what you mean, absolutely, but the different Muslim ethnic groups in modern times treat Islam differently; some are & continue to be more radical, whereas others have advanced into secularism &/or are vying to retain secularism, while fighting off extremism. The Arabs are the most split, with the Arabian Arabs being some of the most devout, whereas the former Mandates Arabs are more divided.
As a result, one could argue that a unified Arab Nation would actually be making strides towards secularism by now due to the lack of Wahabbism oppressing the Arabian heartland & actively destroying Southern Arabia (Yemen), or maybe that alternatively, Islamic Sharia Law would still be fully enforced within a unified Arab Nation, as a result of their unity. Either way, it would also depend on the governmental structure of this unified Arab Nation (federal vs. unitary) etc. but who knows, especially as every time we interfere, we only radicalise more of them, so without our interventions, who's to say how things would be right now.
Either way, my point basically was meant to be that, if you break it down by ethnic group, some are arguably more attached to Islam than others; the Iraqi Kurds, for example, are relatively secular, whereas the Iraqi Arabs have actually taken steps back in this regard, even reverting to a nation-wide alcohol ban, which the Kurds have ardently refused to do (yeah, it's a small thing, but it is a religion-based ban, being my point). The Turks, likewise, are struggling with retaining secularism in the face of growing reversion & the Egyptians actually actively want to hold on to their secularisation – or, most of them seemingly do, anyway.
Hm. So basically you’re saying, first & foremost in order to salvage Islam, Muhammed has to be separated from Islam?
…… Well, sh*t, that’s a herculean endeavour if there ever was one.
True, but only one of those currently feeds the Prison-Industrial Complex, which is already extremely corrupt as it is.
Jews usually smarter than this:
There are NO Christian countries except Vatican.
Only Muslim majority countries are Muslim by LAW and peopel live by Shari laws or their variations.
Europe and USA are 100% Secular countries and have no religious laws AT ALL.
Even Israel is secular! Only matters of the family are religious, Jews go to Rabbinical court, Muslims go to Sharia court and Christian to their registered church.
I just googled and it says April 25 a women Hana Khatib
was elected to Sharia court, first ever female judge.
“no religious laws”
True but they have religous ideology. war on iraq was a crusade, whatever you want to call it, call it. it’s still is a crusade.
Thats what they teach you in school? That it was a Crusade? Iraq wasn’t even religious.
Iraq-Iran war was also Crusade?
No, Bush’s speech before attack was enough to make sure it was a crusade.
Yeah, muh freedom and democracy […] instead of asking, read
Don’t act like I’m placing some onerous burden on you; you already hurt your credibility by lying about Vegas’s wanting to “burn” non-Christians. (Which, to your credit, you admitted readily.)
I asked you if there is any reason why he might feel that way, and you responded by mocking Americans. After scanning down through the comments here (his activity is private), it looks like he’s referring specifically to Islam and North Korea, both of which pose existential threats to the United States.
Why do you believe that those who seek to preserve Life and Liberty deserve to be mocked? Are you an apologist for jihad? Kim Jong-Un? Why do you believe that you have the right to mock Americans concerned for their country’s well-being?
Vegas uses “all” too easily, and I won’t defend that. But I do wonder about your willingness to misrepresent and mock those who are rightly alarmed about jihad, shari’a, and North Korea.
“both of which pose existential threats to the United States”
lol lecturing people about credibility. another paraniod scum to the rescue.
“Why do you believe that those who seek to preserve Life and Liberty deserve to be mocked?”
By killing 1billion people or thinking about it you are activly seeking for more war and genocide, not freedom.
“Are you an apologist for jihad? Kim Jong-Un?”
Oh, the “you either with us or against us” argue.
“Why do you believe that you have the right to mock Americans concerned for their country’s well-being?”
He said US must use atomic bomb against Iran (my country) and NK. of course he is going to get mocked.
“But I do wonder about your willingness to misrepresent and mock those
who are rightly alarmed about jihad, shari’a, and North Korea.”
Those jihadies are exist because of you.
paranoid […] killing 1 billion […] either with us or against us […] against Iran […] jihadies are exist because of you
1) Islam demands the rape, enslavement, and slaughter of all who refuse the “invitation” to convert. If even 10% of the world’s more than one billion Muslims act on the mandates for jihad, then that’s one hundred million threats against the non-Muslim world. Both your country and North Korea have issued existential threats against us. North Korea has nuclear weapons, and you’re about to have them.
Those are facts, not “paranoia.”
2) You’re calling our self-defense “war and genocide,” as if we’re at fault. Free peoples have a right to defend themselves.
3) I am not promoting a false dichotomy; you’re actively attacking someone opposed to attacks on the United States. That makes you, at the very least, an apologist for those who want to kill us.
Thanks for proving my point.
4) See point 1 above. If you want to mock someone, mock Muhammad or your Supreme Council, or Kim Jong-Un. Do something about the Iranian and North Korean regimes; don’t blame the targets of their depravity.
5) Your genocidal pedophile Muhammad preached and practiced and his followers waged jihad against the non-Muslim world for the entire millennium before the United States was even born.
If Muslims stop butchering non-Muslims, then no more violence. If non-Muslims stop defending themselves against Islam, then no more non-Muslims.
Have some dignity, and tell the truth.
“You’re such a liar”
Your not even worthy of the title.
“Both your country, Iran, and North Korea have issued existential threats against us.”
When you are arming countries next to Iran or having coutless military bases around it, it’s called a threat against Iran which did nothing to your country like ever.
1)show it to me in the meantime either stop poking them or letting them in.
2)Yeah being other part of the world bombing unrelated countries for their resources is self-defense. next on fox ?
3)No, i hate those Jihadi scums as you do, they are more of a threat against us than you a threat you created and funded and are supporting it, i’m just answering to the brainwashed dude who think it’s the best to bomb all of muslims, good or bad. if it’s making me an apologist so be it.
4)Same can be said against you. if you want to kill extremists and jihadis, don’t fund them and stop overthrowing govs around the world.
5)Your Democratic enslavement utopia also has it’s fair share, when was that 100 years ago ?
Man up, Bush’s war on terror was nothing but a crusade to sack other countries.
Iran which did nothing to your country like ever
You’re only embarrassing yourself.
Proof or evidence or stfu.
You’re proving only your own historical illiteracy.
Still have nothing to say, in my eyes you just look like those savages that you pretend to hate.
That’s a substantive retort.
Still don’t have a moral highgournd. try harder wolf, sorry sheep, sorry wolf in sheep’s clothing. any bad things muslim has done, you did it worst.
So, I’ve done worse things than Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, and ISIS?
Thanks for proving my point.
Yes, you created them. they kill more muslims and arabs than anyone from any race or religion.
you created them
The genocidal pedophile Muhammad died in 632. I was born in the twentieth century. I can assure you that I had nothing to do with creating jihad. Neither have I beheaded, burned, or brutalized anyone. But Islam’s annihilated 70 to 80 million Hindus alone. (And counting.)
You’re not telling the truth, Amir.
Now, answer my question.
“You”
Doesn’t mean literally you as a person. Islam also came to my country by force, killed lots of people, burned cities and destroyed many cultural stuff, you don’t see my going all crusade against them now, it happened more than 1000 years ago, your hate doesn’t mean anything, you just hate muslim and arabs because i don’t know it makes you feel good.
Right now the problem is not what mohammad did and muslims in general, it’s about how are you handling it and supporting the said stuff with a different name. they are savage muslims yes, Salafism and Wahhabism are the one anyone should fear/condemn but nah, they have oil and money and they are our buddies, lets hate all muslims instead of hating these specific terror groups.
you just hate
It’s easier for you to libel someone pointing out truths about Islam that you’re afraid to admit than it is for you to be honest.
I hate no one, but I do hate rape, slavery, and slaughter in the name of a god. Why don’t you?
So, take heart, Amir. Have courage, and answer my question: What was Muhammad’s attitude toward Jews?
Im Atheist, but among all religions, Islam should b wiped from the face of the world.
You talk like good slave, Persian history is no secret, you had your own religion, you were conquered by muslims and converted, so you like being a slave? I dont.
And i’m an agnostic (born as a jew) person. nothing should be wiped from the word but only the the idea of the ones who want to wipe other. thier religion doesn’t matter, they think the same and they are both extreme.
only the the idea of the ones who want to wipe other
Islam is the only extant major world “religion” that commands the extermination or subjugation of all who refuse it.
If you’re really Jewish, and if you’re really from Iran, then you know better. You know that this is what you’re defending:
“the Messenger of Allah […] would say: ‘Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. […] When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. […] Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. […] If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them […]'” (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).
JEW is BOTH: Ethnicity and Religion.
You cant Un-Jew yourself, you can be Christian Jew, Muslim Jew or Atheist Jew, but you are a Jew.
You are lying to me that you are a Jew.
You are lying that you agnostic, because you cant really speck everything you want in Iran, your internet is monitored and you are not free.
Iranian Jews are “very anti-Israel” because otherwise they will be persecuted.
From time to time, Mossad helps whole families to immigrate back home, and then when they can speak freely they tell the truth about Iran.
So thats OK, I underspend you and why you say everything you said, I hope that one day you’ll have a chance to go back home to Israel.
Shalom.
“You cant Un-Jew yourself”
I can do whatever i want. no one alive in my family practiced that religion, me neither.
“You are lying to me that you are a Jew.”
Maybe, maybe not.
“your internet is monitored and you are not free.”
Most of the world. amount of debate that shutdown in your media (Twitter,facebook,youtube) or in the internet from you also means your intenet is monitored and not free.
“speak freely they tell the truth about Iran”
Pull your head out of sand then you will see it youself.
“Mossad helps whole families to immigrate back home”
And they failed, even 10k price plan for iranian jews to come to israel failed. Iran is their home also many of them go there and will come back.
The difference is that I can say anything I want,I can Curse any of our elected leaders or religious figures and no one will knock on my door and pout me in dark place, rape me wit ha stick and than hang me.
Thats only in Iran and North Korea.
Our web sites do censor, Toxic speech, if you speak politely on the topic you will never be censored, if you start cursing then of course you will.
No one returned from Israel to Iran, that pure propaganda.
I take pity on Iranian Jews, all the Jews manged to run from Muslims and move to Israel, only Iranians got cough by the balls.
Tell me why is that so many Iranians trying to leave to USA or Europe and no one trying to immigrate back home?
Why all of them curse the country politicians and the situation?
You said lots of bad things about USA and Europe, but tell me why is USA so bad BILLIONS of people trying to get American or EU visa and immigrate there?
And no one is going to Iran.
I REALLY HOPE YOU READ ALL OF THAT 🙂
I see you’ve read our islamic books and done your masters and phd on islamic studies as well…oh well no point in refuting your argument then.
but oh wait…there is, that “garbage bag” is NOT mandatory…repeat, NOT mandatory in Islam. what you’re referring to, and I totally understand how as a westerner you would feel that way is the patriarchy of men in the middle east. to be completely fair this is due to us being waaaaaaaaay too late in the womens rights movement.
bear with me here, in our religion there are 2 main things (IMO) that caused this to happen (I mean patriarchy still being strong…it exists in the west ya know?) 1. being that there is a verse in our religion that translates to roughly men being responsible for women (not like a parent for a child but like “a responsibility” kind of thing). and 2. in marriage the man in our religion is supposed to pay some fees as tribute for the woman…in turn, the woman’s family sometimes request very high amounts due to whatever factors (namely its to ensure that the husband is capable but its is carried way out of proportion). this in turn translates to the man ‘buying” the woman for the highest price, and well, treating her like a bought object…think of it like an auction parents will almost always be like “this man offered you x money you must marry him to have a decent life”. however the main idea of the “tribute” is kind of like to ensure that the intent to marry that woman is for real, if it didnt exist…well lets just say that marrying would be a lot easier and cheaper yes…but if you as a man are not financially capable…then it will lead to divorce at a much higher rate
The solution to leftist totalitarianism is not genocidal totalitarianism in the name of a god.
Well they are moderates in them, so choose carefully.
There is no moderation in totalitarianism of any flavor.
They are, use the religion for your gain, you win.
When the West warred against National Socialist “extremism,” were “moderates” harmed? When the United States warred against Imperial Japan — who fought for their god, by the way — did innocents suffer?
If there are true moderates (and other innocents) living in jihadist states, then on whose hands is that innocent blood when non-Muslims defend themselves?
“If there are true moderates (and other innocents) living in jihadist
states, then on whose hands is that innocent blood when non-Muslims
defend themselves?”
Those who created these jihadis in the first place.
then on whose hands is that innocent blood when non-Muslims
defend themselves?”
Those who created these jihadis in the first place.
Muhammad, then.
Finally, we agree.
Don’t remeber his first name, but sure he came from murica.
murica
Declaration of Independence: 1776.
Muhammad’s jihad against the non-Muslim world: Seventh century.
“Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next (in goodness)?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah’s Cause.’ […]'” (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25).
There. You can stop lying now, Amir.
lol you don’t even know what jihad means. it’s doing something good in the name of god (which means for free) like building schools etc… but hey, you created some monster in the middle east and called it jihad so it means monster then, Fox and friends told me.
building schools […] Fox and friends
Please see Rule the First above.
Jihad means “struggle” in Arabic. (Just like Mein Kampf. How funny.) Anyway, when your genocidal pedophile Muhammad used the term, he nearly always meant warring against non-Muslims. (The idea that jihad is some “peaceful inner struggle” comes from one hadith of questionable validity.)
So, do you want to stop lying now in defense of Islamic rape, slavery, and slaughter, or shall I continue?
“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘[…] I have been made victorious with terror […]'” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).
“Jihad means “struggle” in Arabic”
Context. instead of copy/pasting see how it works. i don’t know arabic but when they teached us about islam they teached the Quran version of it. great efforts in favour of god not the version that your ally buddies are using to kill people.
instead of copy/pasting […] they teached Quran version of it […] your ally buddies are using to kill people
So, you admit that you know nothing of Islam, but you’re content to try to smear me. Instead of blindly regurgitating the propaganda of those who hate you — it’s your “your ally buddies are using to kill people” — do your homework.
Here’s some “context”: This is Islam’s great exegete Ibn Kathir explaining just what the “Verse of the Sword,” Qur’an 9:5 (“kill the pagans wherever you find them”) means for the non-Muslim world:
do not wait until you find them. Rather, seek and besiege them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to die or embrace Islam
[…]
This honorable Ayah (9:5) was called the Ayah of the Sword, about which Ad-Dahhak bin Muzahim said, “It abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolator, every treaty, and every term.” Al-`Awfi said that Ibn `Abbas commented: “No idolator had any more treaty or promise of safety ever since Surah Bara’ah was revealed. The four months, in addition to, all peace treaties conducted before Bara’ah was revealed and announced had ended by the tenth of the month of Rabi` Al-Akhir.”
So, the Verse of the Sword “abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolator, every treaty, and every term,” leaving non-Muslims “no choice, but to die or embrace Islam.”
Instead of arguing from ignorance out of what appears to be a blind hatred for America, tell the truth.
“you know nothing of Islam, but you’re content to try to smear me”
Unlike you i don’t hate it, yeah maybe i don’t know about the islam they teached you but i know about the stuff they teached here.
Also i know i wasn’t talking about islam at all, your friend came and said US should nuke iran and muslims, i answered his comments then you came and said i am a jihadi apologist while crusading aginst me.
“Instead of arguing from ignorance out of what appears to be a blind hatred for America”
again, you are doing the exact same thing. you hate my country, failed to show any attacks from my country against yours then like your friend you start with muslims without seeing yourself as invadors to their lands and the funders of said jihadis and combined the two.
There’s only Islam as Muhammad preached and practiced it, Islam according to Qur’an, the ahadith collections traditionally considered most reliable by Muslims themselves, and sunnah. That’s why no major school of Islamic jurisprudence rejects offensive warfare against non-Muslims to make the world Islam.
You were lied to. Study the texts, tenets, and timelines of historical, orthodox Islam for yourself.
I don’t know Vegas; he and I aren’t friends. But you’re lying in defense of jihad and shari’a — whether intentional or not — and I won’t allow that.
The Iran Hostage Crisis of 1979 was too obvious to mention, and I did note your nation’s support for attacks against Americans and our allies.
For the record, I do not hate your country, and you’re a sniveling coward to claim otherwise. Instead of trying to smear me, why don’t you show some dignity, and tell the truth?
“The Iran Hostage Crisis of 1979 was too obvious to mention, and I did
note your nation’s support for attacks against Americans and our allies.”
Ok smart a**, don’t forget CIA coup in Iran in 1953. read and think or better, end yourself.
” And how is a nuclear-armed terrorist state chanting “Death to America!” not relevant?”
Says the guy from USA, the only country that used nuclear weapon in history. how are those threats about attacking iran, having your army next to it’s border is not relevant ?
coup
You asked for examples of Iran harming the United States. I gave you some.
You don’t get to move the goalposts just because I nailed a chip shot.
Stop defending jihadists, Amir.
Oh now it’s moving the goalposts. there was a reason for Hostage crisis and you started all of this, you are a bigger threat to Iran and the world peace than any jihadi out there, did ISIS ever attacked USA ?
Ever heard of “Iran Air Flight 655” ? you used the same tactics just like your buddy jihadists. the definition of a terror attack.
You’ve got a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome.
So, Amir, let’s cut to the chase: What was Muhammad’s attitude toward Jews?
Well i’m sad for you, you came in to this world from the wrong hole.
Let’s say i’m convinced that they were barbars, well it was 1400 years ago, why are you doing worst in 21th century ?
Whom have I beheaded, Amir? Have you no dignity?
And back to my question: What is Muhammad’s stance vis-a-vis Jews?
Beheading, gasin, bombing, injecting, they are the same tactics.
I don’t know, you say Iran is a threat, then you are the one who started it, did a coup, then hostage happened, then you killed almost 300 civilian. i got no answers but questions about a mulsim in 1400 years ago.
Whom have I beheaded, gassed, bombed, or injected, Amir?
You’re eager to smear me but refuse to tell the truth about Islam.
And jihadists with nuclear weapons mean nothing to you.
Correction; the Japanese believed that they fought for/in the name of their God-Emperor, specifically, as it is believed that the Emperor’s lineage dates back over 2,500 years to the Shinto Deities themselves, which makes him part-God.
Japanese believed that they fought for/in the name of their God-Emperor
So, they fought for their god, which is what I said. Where’s the “correction”?
Did….did the guy just challenged modders? “He don’t know modders well, do he?” – Buggs
ret%rds
who cares about nude mods? i feel like they’re throwing this excuse just to try to hamper down on modding
guys this is just an excuse, Japan openly sells child pronz (animated of course) on sites like DSlite and no one gives a damn about nudity in japan
as for the west, the players don’t give a damn (see skyrim’s loverslab mods)
so i’m not buying his excuse.
Historically, yeah, but in recent times the SJW bullsh*t has reached Japan & politicians are coming under fire, etc. It’ll pass, but right now the majors are under scrutiny to “tone down” the excessive “ecchi” stuff & whatnot.
nonsense, Nier Automata was highly acclimated in japan
and highly praised for it’s soundtrack and robust gameplay
it’s just in the WEST we have cuck (or more precisely, whale politicians)
who demonize games who aren’t politically correct
(i swear the SJW’s are what the extreme conservatives were 10 years ago, where games are censored due to nudity or some other bull$hit reason
see Rockstar’s hot coffee lawsuit)
though from this article, i can totally read this is an attack on modding since they’re releasing a brand new editor
payed mods is a hot topic nowadays, and i’m very wary of companies suddenly going “pro modding” but “with restrictions”
Yeah & that’s the root of the problem; The West. Students educated abroad are returning to Japan & espousing Western Ideals on Feminism & whatnot, which go against the “historical” Japanese ideologies that have largely remained alive to this day & age.
Case in point; a while back 3 local female politicians bullied a Mayor into taking down an advertisement that was, in their eyes, “too ecchi.”
As for paid mods; Bethesda’s piece o’ sh*t service launched last week with a dozen skins (read: SKINS, not “mini-DLC”, as they claimed, but actual SKINS)…… I’ll let you guess how much of an EPIC FAIL it’s turning out to be.
Paid Mods died the moment Bethesda blew Valve’s load & convinced them to push that bullsh*t onto the Steam Workshop. Now it’s just a ghost unable to move on.
Jeez that sounds bad, real bad!
i thought Japan was the the most advanced civilization due to their freedom from bull$hit (like fa9gotry and feminism)
so the west seeks to corrupt japan eh?
a grim future awaits if that’s the case, maybe Korea nuking the west isn’t such a bad idea after all…
China will never allow Korea to trigger a war with anyone, though; they’ll invade them themselves in order to prevent any Western Power from gaining a deeper foothold on the Peninsula long before Kimmy manages to push that Big Red Button of Doom.
yeah the theatre of WW3 is nothing but a farce nowadays
though i often wonder who orchestrates all the “korea has NUKEZZZ” reports, if they have the said nukes, use em
i know it’s all bull$hit to scare the populace into probably paying less attention to the $hitstorm that’s happening in the US and Europe
in all honestly, a nuke is what america sorely needs
the political correctness has seeped through everything
movies, music video games and even commercials
though like all things, a end is always coming
the question is:
when? and how.
Hilarious was about to make it real with her schwong-mongering against Russia, though….. >..<
Either way, the SJWs are dropping like flies. It was the same thing with the hippies way back when, it's the same thing now; most of them are graduating & joining the work force (i.e. growing up) & moving on. SOme of them will inevitably stay the course, of course, but most of them will just move on & this whole thing will be abandoned – especially since Generation Z is going to be of voting age by the 2020-2022 electoral period & they're expected to be the most conservative in decades, so politicians know there's no point in mindlessly pandering "progressive" ideals to them the way they're doing now.
Not that it'll stop the Democrats from trying to push another minority candidate for President, I'm betting.
I mean, it's been over 15 years but the US is still living in the shadow of the Twin Towers, so, yeah, the reaction is going to be extreme, one way or the other.
the difference with Hippies was that there were actually “peaceful”
the SJW’s are violent fascists (the irony) who want total dominance over the west civilization
as for them growing up, that is questionable since they hold so much power in the media and holywood industry.
the first option sounds so lovely, it is obvious that the US is ruled by some sort of shadow goverment considering the crazy bias in the media for leftwing and how Trump (who is just an actor) go voted even though half of the populace wants to murder him (celebs who think it’s cool to say “i will kill trump and nothing will stop me”)
take Charlottesville for an instance, SJW’s came to counter-protest because they’re so tolerant right? which results in violence
this makes it clear that either the US goverment is turning a blind eye to SJW’s, or they want civil war
the second option is highly unlikely because of the current SJW influnce
though if they survive through a nuke they’ll definitely nuke someone back (if they have enough oil and justification that is)
and if it’s a big nuke, well… American game companies suck anyway.
Their power is imaginary. We’re talking about fringe groups that stomp their feet & scream loudly, thus appearing as if they’re far more numerous & powerful than they really are. That’s their one weapon – well, that & shaming + victimhood, which they’ve expertly wielded in order to get into the United Nations themselves even, but in the end, that’s all (“that’s all”), really.
Other than that, they’ve got the dying mainstream media supporting them “because these articles make us money.” Seriously, a couple of days ago I was reading this 12-paragraph article on The Independent detailing how “everything in the world is wrong, because white males” & all I could think was; remember when we had print media? Back when this sh*t wouldn’t even have made the opinions columns? Yeah……. And then they wonder why these companies are losing value by the minute. The Guardian used to be a serious newspaper, now it’s a joke, the New York Times used to be a bastion of journalism in the New World, but now it’s an equally as big joke, etc.
Twitter is dying, CNN is routinely being caught faking news, MSNBC is a joke, etc. etc. etc. the “movement” is revealing itself as the joke that it truly is to more & more people day after day, especially since the formerly-controversial ANTIFA has now revealed themselves to be nothing more than a bunch of modern-day Blackshirts (“ANTIFA – Anti-First Amendment” as they’re being called now), thus encouraging even more people to shift themselves from the “neutral, because I don’t give a f*ck” column to the “f*ck these *ssholes” category, even if solely out of sheer spite.
The Shadow Government isn’t the Anti-Trump whiners, that’s just tech companies & mainstream media doing it for the money; they’ve even been caught on camera confessing that they only kept pushing Trump & Russia after the election because such news kept making them money hand-over-fist. The Shadow Government is the 3-letter acronym Federal Government Agencies which are the biggest threat to the US Constitution since the moment Washington won the Independence War & found himself with an opening to crown himself King of the New World.
Yes, there’s Soros with his New World Order Global Socialist Superstate bullsh*t as well, but that’s a completely different argument entirely, as Soros only partly overlaps with the American Oligarchy.
Trump got elected on what’s basically a technicality, yes, but the fact that he was actually elected, even after The Oligarchy stole the Democratic Party’s Presidential Candidate elections in order to get Hilary in against Trump over Sanders is unbelievable unto itself, as I expected him to take the popular vote, only to lose the Electoral College, since the College is usually perceived to be a part of “The Establishment”, just as every President since Roosevelt has been (excepting Reagan, perhaps) & the Clintons most definitely are, whereas Trump isn’t.
Remember how he was threatening to run as an independent if he lost the Republican nomination? He’s not a party man, he’s just a man with a party, same as Sanders, which makes him different from all the others. Charlottesville was a jurisdictional thing; the local government was supposed to step up, they didn’t, so things got out of hand. Either way, that’s all State-level affairs, not Federal. Federal is when the Governor calls in the National Guard because a riot is ripping up half the city. Short of that, it’s all State jurisdiction, so if the President were to overstep, he’d end up getting called out for that, instead.
Hell, the President only commented because he was forced to. Obama would have, of course, being President Black, but most others before him would have probably issued a blanket statement condemning violence, bla bla bla, bla bla bla without actually saying a word in public themselves, not wanting to get dragged into this sh*t the way Trump was. Politicians are all about what gets them elected; usually that’s about being as least controversial as possible, but if they think pandering to the left will get them elected, then they’ll pander away like little b*tches & then turncoat the moment they get into office, Obama-style (not that anyone remembers that, anymore…. suddenly he’s “the greatest man who ever made it to the Oval Office!” in the face of “Oh My God, Trump is President.” >.>).
SJWs would never survive a nuke if it was dropped over LA…… Not that I’m encouraging the use of nuclear weapons against anyone, ever, at all, of course, but yeah, in a hypothetical “let’s wipe out the SJWs” situation (or some such), LA would just about do it, really.
But yeah, it’s just pandering; it’s in comics, it’s in movies, it’s in video games & it’s there specifically as blatant pandering because they’re under pressure & they think it’ll get them more sales, except, as it turns out, NOPE! (because A. SJWs aren’t actually that numerous & B. they don’t practice what they preach, unless it suits them). Not that they can openly admit that, either, without humiliating themselves even further, so instead they just keep quiet about it & act like everything’s fine. Or they pull a Sony & try to make everyone who hates Fembusters look like a misogynist, only to watch it backfire on them later, in the most hilarious manner possible.
Case in point; Social Justice Trek: Discovering The Various Genders of the Galaxy is less than a month out & it’ll be the biggest SJW bomb since Fembusters, which is why rumour has it CBS has already prepared a backup series “just in case” Discovery epically fails & falls flat onto its forced diversity *ss.
As for the tech companies; some of them have actual “true believers” in charge, which will be a problem in the near future, yeah, but most of them will change their tunes soon enough, since the “true believers” are usually only CEOs or some such, rather than majority shareholders. Like Tim Cook; he’s the CEO of Apple, but unlike the two dweebs who control 51% of Google & YouTube, he’s only the CEO, so while we can expect to see Apple get its sh*t together “because we’re losing money”, Google is another question entirely.
Regardless, the Amazon Empire is on the rise, so the Google Empire could quite possibly be forced into readjusting its policies in order to satisfy potential &/or existing investors, at some point. Twitter is already on its way out, so I won’t even go there, whereas Turdbook is still a coin flip, in my opinion. After all, I was expecting it to go belly-up once it went for its IPO, but it actually recovered from that, so who knows.
Either way, the times, they are a changin’ 😛
Damn, this turned out long >.<
it’s always strange to me how these companies f**king KNOW
that pandering will reduce profits&lower popularity
yet they still continue to appease SJW’s like no tomorrow
hell most of the whiny SJW’s don’t even bother to buy the games so much endorse (Anita never played a single game in her life, she just steals gameplay videos from others and nitpicks them for B$ points)
so companies like cuckthesda pander to blacks and females (or black females in this case) decides that the upcoming Dishonored expansion is only playable by Billy Lurk instead of having her AND Daud playable
in Wolfenstien 2 the resistence is made out of the most pathetic, politically correct team these poor swede developers can come up with
(or forced to come up with)
will probably end up in less players buying the game (both Dishonored and wolf)
as for movies, Movies have been stagnating for an eternity due to political correctness, esp comedy films
i haven’t watched any new movies in 4 years because of that
the old stuff from the 2000’s is just far superior in writing and production value, even fantasy stuff which is unaffected by SJW’s like “the Hobbit” was dumbed down by bad writing, cheap greenscreen and over-extending a bloody childern’s book with unnecessary crap (non cannon crap also)
same to music too, nowadays every song is composed of one f**king word like “work work work” and is considered a masterpiece by chimps and chimp lovers alike
and if you don’t like Rihanna “yer racist N sheittttt”
though music from the past was $hit too, but nowadays standards have gotten really f**king low…
Social medias were crap to begin with, a software which does nothing but sell your data to ad-companies and now is totally hip with “PC” culture
though i don’t believe in the doomsay of Twitter, to me Facebook is the one that’s losing popularity and Twitter gaining popularity, why?
because less tight control on free speech, less ad-money and bull$hit practices, plus Trump saying copy/pasta $hit on Twitter have brought a lot of attention to twitter
as for LA, i seriously pray for a nuke
i was a hardcore centerist before the political correctness revolution
but after you see anti-men commercials on TV, aswell with “white privileged” bull$hit i seriously want them to “disappear” from this plane of existence
maybe then things can return being normal
until then, we must endure the bull$hit and hope for the best
Try Hitman’s Bodyguard, it plays specifically like an action-comedy from the early 2000’s & it’s a Netflix production, so they swear like it’s a f*cking Commandment 😀
Plus it’s a project the actors actually wanted to do, so they’ve put actual effort into their performances, which makes for some seriously great stuff, like Deadpool ^^
But yeah, comedies have really gone to sh*t in recent years, I’ve been thinking that lately, as well. Don’t get me started on the Hobbit….. Ugh. All I’ll say is; find a fanedit you like & just go with that, it’s the only way to actually watch the damn thing, seriously.
Music likewise is constantly changing. Stars come & go, disappearing into the shadows, etc. The Monarchs of this decade won’t make it into the next, just as those most likely won’t either. I’m not much for the “hip” tunes right now either, but I do look forward to seeing what ends up being trendy next, as it can’t possibly get any dumber than this. Hell, even electro’s been reduced to sh*ts & giggles…… somehow.
There’s a degree of 3rd party data indicating that Twitter’s account numbers have dropped &/or Twitter has just stopped growing, entirely, though of course Twitter itself denies this (surprise, surprise!). I don’t know how Turdbook is doing, but I don’t expect it’s doing too well either, yeah. As for Trump; oh, yeah. It’s basically why they don’t dare ban him, even though they’d probably love to – they’d lose a ridiculous amount of users if they did.
I think more than anything they’re both at that stage where YouTube was a couple of years ago; it’s sh*t, but there’s no alternatives, yet. Today, YouTube has advanced to the stage of “there’s alternatives, but no “one ring to rule them all” alternative yet, so people are sticking to YouTube while dipping their toes into a couple of alternatives in order to test the waters.”
Now it’s just a question of when someone will advance to the stage of “okay b*tch, it’s war time!” & YouTurd will finally get what’s been coming to it since it wh*red itself out to Google, almost a decade ago. Personally I think Amazon might end up being responsible for that, but we’ll see.
Vidme is on the rise for many youtubers harassed by “political correctness”
slowly gaining popular and the video player ain’t too shabby (not crappy like dailymotion)
though in essence Youtube has the monopoly on everyone, it’s either “take it or leave it” and the recent change to the UI which makes everything appear so floaty really makes me wonder if Google is P*ssing people off intentionally
and if you’ve seen their censorship team you’ll lose all hope
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6d88d9a5984d6bf6855e08e272f9f2980d00e586922e9cdf604405812d093cc7.jpg
as for that Movie, i’ll check it out
though i doubt it’s gonna beat movies like Tropical Thunder or Zack and Miri make a prono
but those movies were the golden age of comedy films
the past is forever, the future is never
Click your icon if you’re logged in, or the bullet points-looking icon if you’re not, there’s a setting that lets you switch back to YouTurd’s old layout. Thankfully someone mentioned it to me, because, yeah, the new layout is just….. blah.
P.S. Tom Cruise in Tropical Thunder <3
OMFG THANK YOU
i didn’t know you could revert this $hit!
but it still uses the subscriptions and home on the left side instead of the top
but it’s better than nuffin
You have been in my dungeon too long.
Does that mean you’re finally going to let me go? 😀
*prays hard*
The censorship is insane though, squatingslav tv, harmfull opinions, both banned from youtube.
YouTurd: Repeatedly Committing Suicide On A Daily Basis Since 2008 😀
Star Trek has always been about diversity though, it had the first interracial kiss on American TV (in the 60s).
Yes, but not this forced diversity sh*t, being the point of the massive backslash; it’s just too much & it’s obvious that it’s pandering, because they’re actively bragging about how “diverse” they are, instead of just passively presenting it to us – they think (thought) it’s all good marketing for them & whatnot.
yup yup and yup. What happened with Stephen Miller was crazy too.
If some nutjob decides to nuke USA, i hope he nukes Berkeley or anywhere in California.
And they do have nukes, they tested nitrogen bomb and have the delivery they already flew two test missiles above Japan into the ocean.
Supposedly. There have been stories about missiles that flew & didn’t fly for decades, it wouldn’t be the first time someone “launched” something & then pretended they didn’t, or blamed it on someone else, etc. etc. etc.
Unless Kimmy the God-Emperor himself admits as much or this becomes the new normal for Japan, I’ll remain as sceptical as the moment the US outright denied that Kimmy-boy had just tested a nuke off the coast of North Korea.
Not that either source is particularly trustworthy, really, especially not when they’re actually agreeing on something, but eh.
A missile flying over a country appears on the radar, Japan filed a complaint with UN and NK admitted to it calling it a test.
Also all the latest nuke test were on national N.Korean TV
Every new missile launch and nuke test is recorder on radar of neighboring countries SK and Japan and on satellites
Here some news you might of missed or you can google for otehr sources
P.S. I posted another message with links but it waits for approval, in mean time google “North Korea missile test over Japan”
Movies have been faking nuclear detonations for decades, North Korea is renowned for its propaganda, etc. Regardless, I don’t doubt they have a functional nuclear program, just its ability to actually deliver its payload all the way to Tokyo, regardless of the missile test.
And even if they did, there’s always the fact that China will step in long before they actually nuke anything other than themselves.
You can detect underground Nuclear explosions with special equipment and overground with satellites.
South Korea reported, you can google it yourself.
As far as missiles go ts on the radar, NK sent missiles over japan, it flew over its territory and landed into ocean, it sent missiles towards that US island too, whats its name Guam?
Why should China stop them? China said that if anyone attacks NK they will help them.
China doesn’t want the US or any of its allies to shift their military presence closer to their borders. South Korea borders North Korea, but North Korea borders China & Russia both. Neither of them want an increased US presence in the area, nor do they want them closer to their borders, so it’s common sense; China & Russia will invade the DPRK long before the US gets an opening to.
You right but thats complicated, even if they invade whats next?
Will they keep it for themselves, govern over it?
South Korea legally has all the rights to that land, its part of Korea, they can demand the lands back after the war.
China is only “so” Communist these days compared to 70 years ago, so I can see them reuniting Korea if Seoul agrees to deport all the American troops from its sovereign territory, honestly. After all, that’s arguably a bigger concern of Beijing’s than retaining the Kimmy Failed State Regime, or replacing it with a new one.
However, an overnight unification isn’t something either Seoul or Beijing would pursue. After all, the economic disparity between NK & SK is massive, not to mention ideological differences etc. so most likely China would establish a Provisional Government together with Seoul with the end-goal being unification, once everything has been prepared.
Otherwise, an overnight unification will end up flooding SK with millions of NK immigrants, thus creating a situation wherein the SKers hate the newly-arrived NKers for generations due to the after-effects.
This also happened in Italy during its unification, for example; the South was extremely underdeveloped at the time, so when they were suddenly unified & integrated into a single government overnight which resulted in all of the Kingdom of Naples’ laws, economic systems etc. being suddenly dismissed in favour of the North’s, the South basically had to declare bankruptcy from one day to the other, the aftereffects of which continue to permeate throughout Italy to this day (see: Italian North-South economical divide).
If Koreas unite, there wont be any need for US presence in Korea or Japan.
The same situation happened in Germany and they survived BUT honestly to this day the commie parts ARE porer, have less investment, jobs and mostly live of taxes collected in western parts, but slowly they fix the situation.
The Korean social disparity is unique, the North is not just death poor but lacks any western type education and mostly farmers.
But it may help Korea prosper, they will have to abandon all foreigner workers programs and let the N Korean work in factories and farms for acceptable but still lower than usual S.Korean wages, so everyone will get a job.
And in mean time the younger generation studies and integrates into society.
All the farms and factories of the north will be privatized, and the money shared among Northerners. So they wont be hungry, they will get some sums of money and most will get a job
“If Koreas unite, there wont be any need for US presence in Korea or Japan.”
Yeah, they said the same thing about the fall of the USSR & NATO, yet look at how that turned out.
Germany was a completely different situation; East Germany was a sh*thole & it would have bankrupted West Germany to unify with them, so instead of paying for it themselves they forced the costs onto everyone else. Back then many countries had already pegged currencies to the Deutsche Mark, so they just raised the taxes on it, thus forcing everyone else to pay for their unification.
As for the rest; we’ll see. Seoul does have its fair share of corruption, after all, so it could go well, or it could go very, very badly indeed for the Northerners.
“especially since Generation Z is going to be of voting age by the
2020-2022 electoral period & they’re expected to be the most
conservative in decades”
If only they vote for trump again.
Honestly, even if Trump somehow doesn’t get the Republican nomination for 2020, I still expect the Republican candidate to win – unless his name is Bush, of course, in which case….. good luck.
Between your average disgruntled American, Generation Z & the fact that the Democratic Candidate is probably going to be some PC minority person, it’s all but inevitable, in my opinion.
How about instead of nuking innocent people because of SJW, you just get rid of the CEOs who willingly bend over to the SJW movement and give the SJW major footing.
North Koreans are not innocent, if they put to a vote ill vote to exterminate all of them.
You cant reeducate them, they sheep level: GOD.
All the NK land belongs to South Korea.
The North Korean Government isn’t innocent. The North Korean People are just a bunch of brainwashed masses who’ll have a hard enough time joining the 21st century once the DPKR is dissolved without having to take anti-radiation medication for the rest of their lives on top of that.
Though, it is honestly fascinating just how thoroughly the Kimmy Regime has successfully brainwashed the masses to such a degree that I’ll bet even the CIA’s been taking notes for decades.
Its very simple “show me who rules over you and ill tell you whos the people”.
If they have no resolve to fight the oppressor, and they admire them to death, they are one and the same.
At least Persians had some big demos in Iran sometime ago and unlike Arab women, they always fight the religious police and do all sorts of trickery not to wear head-covers and so on.
Nuking someone can have positive effect,so far the only nuked country evolved into productive superpower. Its a wake up call.
Right now we need to nuke NK and Iran (in iran we can nuke the bunkers where they make nukes and chemical weapons, not cities and their top religious building where all the bearded pedophiles reside)
Actually I think you’re confusing the Persians with the other ethnic groups of Iran. Best I can tell the Persians are relatively mixed on whether or not they like Sharia Iran, whereas the Kurds, Azeris etc. predominantly hate the Iranian Government. Not to mention how both the Kurds & the Balochs would probably start pushing for outright secession if the Kurdish Referendum later this year goes through (which it likely will, unless someone decides to stage it), or the Pakistani Balochs get their independence, respectively.
Anyone who knows better feel free to correct me, obviously, but otherwise, yeah, sure, they’re less “extreme” than the Saudis – though I expect that’s largely because the government knows they can’t get away with extreme Islam the same way the US-backed Saudi Regime can. Rather ironic, really, considering the Americans actually let Sharia Iran happen >.>
So far the only nuked country got its balls cut off & they can’t even find them long enough to reform their Military anymore, which has resulted in them still being a US puppet state that gets constantly abused by Washington, almost a century later. Yeah, great stuff. Definitely. It’s not like Japan’s actively suffering, even today, because of just how badly they lost the Second War. Nope.
Nuking Iran is the dumbest thing anyone could ever possibly do. It’s like the SJWs shaming people into oblivion; the more they talk, the more they rile people up to join the right. Likewise, if we turn parts of Iran into a parking lot (military or civilian), we’ll automatically turn millions of ordinary Muslims into Islamic Jihadists overnight.
The two Japanese bombs also fell over military targets; they still killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. ISIS is literally choking to death right now, the last thing we need to do is give them ammunition to re-incite their recruitment base with.
A Free kurdistan will be the best thing to happen in that region.
Not at all, it only means more US puppets who secretly arm isis.
I thought the Iraqi Kurds were anti-American puppetry?
No, they are in bed with US.
US is using them to destroy isis.
No, US is using them to overthrow assad in syria and pushing for their own country in Iraq to have more bases and allies in the region.
But the US has been against an independent Kurdistan for almost a century, now.
I don’t get it >.<
Yeah, they are against ISIS too, AlQaeda too, they are against countires who violate human rights too, but they are supportig them both.
Good point.
I thought ALQaeda was made up?
No, it definitely existed. The CIA used to fund them back when they were fighting “the God damn commies” during the Soviet-Afghan War, so they definitely existed 😛
Whether they still exist, on the other hand, is another question entirely.
Funny how the soviet union and usa giving them guns, basicly created the taliban.
Yeap. One Senator in particular came up with the idea, they even made a movie about him a few years ago. I think Tom Hanks played him.
They are the same “Freedom” fighters that us fund to fight against soviet russia (now arming them as moderate rebels in syria and demecratic kurds and white helmets). they lost after US invade Afghanistan, but what’s the fun in that ? how can we be in Afghanistan if there is no Alqaeda, so they said they are still exist so they can stay, sell weapons and bomb stuff.
the kurds are fighting isis.
No, here’s how they do it, they go to a village, aks people in the village to surrender their guns in return they protect them from isis, then isis comes, no kurd in sight and the village is basicaly defense less.
Sh*t…… Ouch.
If only literally everyone in the world will actually stand back & let it happen, that is.
Oh well, we’ll see soon enough.
I didnt mixed up Persians = Iranians.
I never said that Iranians are less evil, I said that lots of them dont like the religious government, that lots of Iranian women fight the religious laws, just talk to any immigrant or listen to their lectures.
Historically Iran was forced into Pisslam, they were Zoroastrian, then even under pislam they were secular, under shah women dressed like in Europe worse shirt skirts etc.
They actually fought the Islamic revolution, when the religious law was applied thousand of Iranian women came out to demonstrations against it.
But these people cant change much, the filthy religious fanatics rule over them.
And no, if we nuke Iran, the majority of Muslim world will accept it as gift from heaven, Iranians belong to Shia cult, its a minority among Muslims, the majority are Sunni and they been fighting each otehr for centuries.
Saudia will gladly pay for the nukes 🙂
The Kurds been oppressed for hundreds of years, all of their lands are controlled by 4 muslim nations, they scream for freedom and Independence yet no one cares but everyone is eager to help Fakestinian terrorists and blame Israel for all the evils.
Thats what happens when UN voting system is fundamentally broken, there are 50 muslim countries plus their friends from poor African countries and broken socialist countries south America, plus n.Korea and they vote as block.
Thats why Saudia was elected to women council, and Iran and Syria were elected before to different human rights councils, UN is a JOKE, its controlled by majority vote and not by whom is right and whom is wrong.
Thats why with all the wars and crap thats going on in their countries the UN is centered on Israel and farts out resolutions like no tomorrow, thats why Kurdistan will never be officially accepted, even if it goes to security council, Chian or Russia will Veto it.
“Persian” = ethnic group within Iran. “Persia” is the historical name for Iran that the Greeks adopted millennia ago (& subsequently became the de-facto name for the country in Latin & Germanic languages over the centuries) because the empires they used to fight originated from the Persian regions of Iran & were ruled by ethnic Persians. Iran = what actual Persian speakers called the country for millennia.
Sure, but at the same time, the overwhelming majority of Iranian in 1979 voted in favour of an Islamic Republic. Irregularities or not, that’s still just a minor faction dissenting, with the overwhelming majority strongly in favour.
Also, one of the reasons for the Revolution in the first place as far as I’m aware was because the last Shah was too Western, ardently promoting “Westernisation” over tradition, etc.
Christian sects have also been killing each other for over a millennium, even today the American Baptists hate Catholics etc. yet if Iran bombed Vienna, do you think the Baptists would be saying “f*ck the Catholics”, or would they be saying “let’s go kill some f*cking rag-heads”? Sure, the Saudis would probably pay for the nukes, but that’s a given; everyone hates the Saudis, after all.
I agree about the UN being a joke, though. As for Israel; there’s plenty of blame on both sides as far as I’m concerned. More specifically, the radicals on both sides have gone too far repeatedly & it’s those exact radicals that are continuously causing issues to the present day. Beyond that, what else is there to say? Hitler basically f*cked up any chances of a peaceful coexistence when he guilt-tripped the UN into the Partition Plan that they should have known the Arabs would never accept, really. After that…..
Interesting point btw, I’m curious to see if China or Russia will veto Kurdistan, now.
Thats Iranian propaganda, if you read about Iranian History or talk to Iranian expats, they will tell you that they assumed/honestly believed that it was Democratic revolution, it started by Students that got enough, the religious fanatics actually came later and took over.
All the people that actually started the revolution were either executed by the religious fanatics or left politics volunteer.
After the revolution ended they started “cleaning” up, killing old regime and democratic movement.
Iranian revolution was stolen.
Google ‘Iran Stolen revolution’, youll see what im talking about, one of the expats even made a movie about it called Stolen Revolution (2013)
Hitler wasn’t there for the partition plan, 1948.
Its different with Christians, they changed in the last 100 years, even back there Christianity was spread into many different movements, but in Islam the two main is Sunni and Shia and they keep fighting to this day.
ISIL is Sunni organization, when the stop drivers they ask to recite some verses, these verses spoke differently by shia, if they cant say them like Sunnis they get shot.
They openly hostile towards each otehr, all the muslim terrorist groups are split between sunni and shia and actively kill each other.
Saudia openly spoken about invading Iran and during Bush era, they pressured USA more than Israel to bomb them.
The split is unlike anything in Christianity,
The Partition Plan was proposed in 1947, only a few years after the Final Solution was revealed to the world. You don’t think that had a profound effect on the public’s perception of the Jewish Question in the Middle-East? Hence, Hitler.
Yes, I know it was originally a non-religious revolution, but the referendum was conducted after the revolution, so the two are only so related.
Bush probably did intend to invade Iran, it’s a popular theory & it’s quite likely true, especially considering how much of a buttbuddy he was to the Saudis, only he overstepped himself with the fake “Nuclear Iraq” bullsh*t & so the Iraq Invasion backfired, resulting in a massive anti-war wave that scrapped any & all possibilities of an Iranian invasion, no matter how much the Saudis stomped their feet & threw tantrums over it.
Not that the Obama Regime didn’t try to resurrect the idea…… >.>
And yes, ISIS is Sunni & they’ve killed plenty of Shia, I’m aware of that, as well. The point being, however, is that much like with Christianity, they’re Muslims first & Shia or Sunni second, regardless of what the Saudis want, or do, or whatever. After all, like I said; everyone hates the Saudis. Case in point; Wahhabism is technically Sunni, yet even their fellow Sunni-dominant Muslim nations hate their f*cking guts.
US foreign policy, man it’s a s**t show. they are trying to invade Iran since 64-5 years ago. CIA coup to overthrow a democratic elected gov. US with France,Englistan (lol – we call it that) and saudi supported saddam in iraq vs iran war, lol israel helped iran. they helped Mojahedin (Isis like group) to overthrow it’s govs, they are still helping them, France specially.
sometimes i think it’s all still related to Persian Wars in 492BC.
Another reason not to leave Afghanistan; no “Eastern Front” to put pressure on Iran with ^^
Also, I expect they’re terrified that Iran will invade Afghanistan the moment they leave, as they probably wish they’d done 17+ years ago, before this entire mess ever even had the chance to get started.
But yeah, the Anglo-Saxons either directly orchestrated or otherwise supported &/or allowed, what, 4, 5? coups in Iran all within less than a century, yet they can’t stop complaining that the Iranians hate their guts & burn their flags. D0h. And yeah, it’s amazing how under the radar France’s involvement in the Middle-East continues to be, even over a decade later. In that regard, Hollande turned out to be even worse than Sarkozy, ugh. F*ck Socialists.
(We spell it Mujahideen btw 😛 & Londonistan is also a popular phrase in the West these days, what with its Muslim Mayor, now).
Funny thing is, most iranian won’t burn US flags. only hardliner gov officials and their people, even if you go there and aks them, they say, well we love americans but we hate their govs, you say, ok let the falg alone then it’s their nationality, they say nah it’s symbolic, idiots on all sides.
“(We spell it Mujahideen btw 😛 & Londonistan is also a popular
phrase in the West these days, what with its Muslim Mayor, now).”
Haha :))
No it actually called Englistan. it’s how we call it legit no meme.
Arabestan (Saudi Arabia)
Englistan (England)
Amnanestan (Armenia)
etc…lol
Oh, sh*t, I thought that was just an Arabo-Persian naming scheme for MENA nations or whatnot, not ALL of them….. So, wait, what do you call Greece? Hellenistan? Italistan? LOL wow, that is so weird 😛
P.S. I was thinking; wow, the statistical chances of actually meeting an Iranian Jew are astronomical, yet here you are O.o
:)) yeah for real, it’s geography.
Greece is called Younan or something like that. You-nun.
Wow…..
….. That is so weird 😛
It is. imagine as an iranian child in 20years ago playing Fifa on Sega genesis and can’t pick a team because of names. i mean Holland for Netherlands, Greece for Younun and Englestan for England or Alman for Germany.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA –
– Wait, Alman? Huh. So, probably drawn from Alemannia/Alamannia, then. Interesting. Very, very strange, but interesting O.o
I love Zhaponies anime 😀
F*ck me! I mean, how do you even…..
Then again, the Greco-Latin phrase is “Iaponica” so I guess I can sort-of see the root resemblance? LOL.
I don’t know man, you will survive, more than half of Farsi’s today are loan words.
Sh*t, that much? Wow. And here I thought the Turks had it bad before Ataturk….. Not to mention the Latin languages which keep adding disgustingly stupidly translated English “Internet” phrases to their dictionaries >.>
Yep, when arabs invaded persia, they burned books, they forced their language upon them and ra**ed anyone, it revived a little because of some peots etc. but even we write and say loan words different than their origin. like Mujahedin itself. mojahedan. Hizbollah, hezbolah.
Ouch. Damn, you lot really got the sh*t end of that stick. The Moors that seized the Iberian Peninsula actually preserved books & knowledge, even as Christian Europe was burning “heretics” for preaching about the benefits of education, etc. It’s even a constant contrast when discussing Spanish history; the semi-open Muslim Moor society vs. the Spanish Inquisition that succeeded the Reconquista.
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I hate my govs, and yours too. bomb my country and i fight whom ever bombed it. it’s a common idea here, they unite.
You cant fight technologically superior USA or even worse NATO+Israel with sticks and stones.
Well that will depend which side the turks will pick. Erdogan thinks he can unite all muslms against the west or something. He is crazy.
Turkey is unimportant, yes its big country but they cant fight also 90% of their weapons is western made, they dont know how to properly use it, if they start fighting America they will eventually run out of parts and ammo.
Turkey is Sunni, they have no reason to defend Shia Iran.
Also, its funny yet muslims cant fight in big wars, look at them for the last 100 years, its failure upon failure no matter how technologically advanced their armies, be it supplied by the Soviets (Israel vs all the Neighbors) or Supplied by the west, Saudia gets kicked in Yemen by sandal wearing savages, Iraqi Army literally run away and lost its army to savages with RPGs and Kalashnikov, leaving them tanks, jets and everything behind, how long it took them to train and take back the lands?! same with Afghani army vs Taliban.
Muslims can fight in small tribal arrangements or if they seriously go nutjob like ISIS and Al-Queda, but as big proper army with central command, air force and all that, History shows the contrary.
“Turkey is Sunni, they have no reason to defend Shia Iran”
It’s more compilicated than being Suni or Shia. Turkey and Iran are in the same side when it comes to kurds, they are in the same side against Saudi, and they are both protecting Qatar now.
Middle east is a s**t show, suni vs shia is just a face.
“its funny yet muslims cant fight in big wars”
You mean some Arabs not muslims.because oil money and being rich made some of them lazzy. a saudi officer don’t want to die, they usually buy weapons that they can’t and don’t know how to use so they use mercs and it’s not working well for them.
Turkey has massive geopolitical & strategic importance, btw, it’s why the Great Powers were so ardently supporting the Ottoman Empire before the First War; even today, nobody wants to see Russia take over the Black Sea & gain direct access to the Mediterranean.
Yes, Erdogan is psychotic, but Turkey isn’t irrelevant or unimportant. If it was, nobody would have spent the last 30 years trying to push its EU membership so badly.
Well, most Europeans dont want muslims or any otehr savages in Europe, they got enough of Turkish workers that stayed permanently in Germany.
Before the first war Turkey controlled all the ME and oil, but no one ever liked them.
Turkey is like and Ottomans always were like insane relative that pushed too hard, the Europeans only tolerate them.
“Well, most Europeans dont want muslims”
Well they should have thought about that before bombing their countries. now they are going to get culturally enriched. muslim mate like there is no tomorrow, you turn your head around and you are in minority in your country.
That’s how Empires begin to fall.
They will wake up and kick them out.
You also ignore the otehr side of things, yes we see all these crazy muslims running in Europe, but there are lots of them that Europeanize, abandon religion and try to integrate.
The temptations! There is no one that watches them so they do whatever they want.
:)) ok then, let’s see how it goes.
Civil War if the Socialists keep pushing their United States of Europe bullsh*t, with mass immigration being only one of the causes for the eventual outbreak. A major one, of course, but only one of them, overall speaking.
Yeah, there is no such thing as too big to fall. all of the great empires collapsed on themselves. hope nothing happens, it’s bad for everyone because only extreme will fill the gap always.
Yeah, if the Socialists win, it’ll be a Socialist Global World Government “Utopia” in the making. If the “anti-EU” people win, it’ll result in decades of “f*ck treaties of any kind”, even the good kind, like free trade, free movement of citizens, etc.
Basically the same issues that are threatening to unmake the EU even as we speak, just with far greater long-term consequences, “because war.”
Sadly between this globalist/socialist/nationalist/communists war (even in middle east, it’s not just europe and USA and canada, it’s happening in front of my eyes here), people are the real loosers.
Freedom in they eyes of the left: You can’t criticise minorities, muslims, other skin colors, anything that happened even in history and big companies or wars.
In the eyes of the right in west: You can’t criticise israel, goverments itself, big companies or wars.In the eyes of the right in east: You can’t defend israel, can’t criticise goverments, big companies or wars.
Thankfully, for both better & for worse, National Governments & their Representative Democracies are becoming irrelevant in this day & age, with the Swiss model of Direct Democracy coming ever-closer to being an actual reality for much of the world sooner, rather than later.
At the same time, however, as much as we don’t like it, the world is also becoming more “global”, so yeah, all we can really do is hope we control the flow of change, rather than outright fight it. Like this ridiculously stupid CETA agreement that the EU is trying to ram down our throats in order to prove that they’re not a joke; all it takes is one national government to find its balls long enough to vote no on it & the whole thing burns to ashes, but will that actually happen? Who knows. With a couple of national elections left yet, I have hope, but in the end, who knows.
Either way, thankfully we at least have the former-Communist states in the East that know what’s what & are working on getting themselves the hell out of there before it’s too late; Poland & Hungary are about half a step away from telling the EU to go & f*ck itself, which means Czechia & Slovakia would likely follow, along with Romania & either Slovenia, Croatia or both. If they do actually manage to get out, then it’ll spell a ray of hope for me, since it’s obvious that those idiots in Whitehall are doing everything they can to sabotage their Brexit.
Based Poland (Lahestan). good games, DRM free store, immigrant free country. <3
Well, Nato+Israel+USA didn’t won any wars in the past 50 years with their superior techs. it’s not just about bombing, you can’t bomb all of the country, 90% of the war is going to be a guerilla war, a war that a 300$ weapon can destroy a billion $ device. look at Saudi vs. Yemen, one of the richest countries in the world vs one of the poorest and look whos winning.
Also iran is not like iraq or afghanistan, it has more influence than saudi and israel in the region and it’s not sticks and stones. how about not being brainwashed by fox news ?
Gurella warfare seems to be pretty effective everywhere it was tried. Middle east, Africa, Vietnam, Latin America, Greece,China. I was reading and article the other day, the future war will be a highly trained squad for recon purpuses with devices that can mark or disable targets for the heavy artillery. So no tanks and jets or bombs, those get disabled easilly.
Yep, and guess who has the upper hand then, Iran. they are doing guerilla wars since 35 years ago and they are good at it. one of the reasons why Isis is not attacking full force.
For starters who said they want to take over Iran?
To destroy nuke factories and to show whos the boss, thats it, bombing, bombing and more bombing.
Israel and USA won in every war so far, what are you talking about?!
You been living in Iran under constant anti western propaganda.
If you think that someone will help Iran, you are mistaken, almost NO ONE wants to risk their skins, Russia and China will never help, thats guaranteed.
What can happen is the opposite, after NATO bombs Iran, Sunni coalition decides to take over and combine their armies, Egypt, Gulf, Pakistan and probably/Maybe Turkey combine their forces and take over.
100% The Kurds will start guerilla war for Independence, its their land and they should be free.
P.S. Saudia never fought in any wars, also they dont take Yemen seriously, they get kicked but if they g et serious and push more soldiers and bombing they will exterminate Hutties, genocide them out.
And no one will say anything in UN, because Saudia is important Oil country.
“To destroy nuke factories and to show whos the boss”
Then all of it will go underground, still no one cares about whos the boss. it’s like bombing, money loss, bombing, money loss, results ? nothing, they will do whatever they please then.
“Israel and USA won in every war so far”
Did you won Iraq war ? last i checked Iran is now own it. you just lost more soldiers. vietnam ? syria ? lebenon ?
“You been living in Iran under constant anti western propaganda”
Might be ture, also you are living under constant anti-iran propaganda both by the left and right media in your country.
“Russia and China will never help”
Maybe, maybe not. if russia lose iran, it knows US will come for them next.
“after NATO bombs Iran, Sunni coalition decides to take over and combine their armies, Egypt, Gulf, Pakistan and probably/Maybe Turkey”
Wrong, there is no suni coalition, i told you about iran’s influence, and pakistan is iran’s ally already.
“100% The Kurds will start guerilla war for Independence, its their land and they should be free.”
Nope, even most of iranian kurds don’t believe that. do blacks in america go for “hey we live in these palaces, these are our lands, and they should be free” ? no, they are part of a country, owning lands doesn’t give you the right to seperate.
“Saudia never fought in any wars”
Yeah sure. ok.
“they get kicked but if they g et serious and push more soldiers and bombing they will exterminate Hutties”
lol. you either play video games too much or disconnected from reality. if they could have done that, they would. they simply can’t. they are loosing the war, they lost too much, and with the current oil prices, they are loosing money fast. also they are paraniod as hell, they are scared of other royal families as well as their own people.
You see thats your brainwashing talking, USA and Israel NEVER wanted to TAKE OVER no country.
USA won Iraqi war, established democratic rule and left.
Israel never wanted to take over Lebanon, they helped local Christians that were murderd by muslims, they destroyed “palestinian” resistance and established a Buffer zone.
USA never fought in Syria, only bombed ISIL.
USA will never attack Russia and Russia will never attack USA, its just games, both countries have so many nukes that its pointless, also there is no actual reason for a war.
Russia is not sponsoring terrorism or openly threatens to destroy USA or its ally like Iran does with Israel.
China makes 90% of their money from American trade, imagine thw WHOLE world buys from china but USA buys SO MUCH that most of China money comes from there.
Iran and Israel share no border, Israel was in great relationship with Iran under secular Shah.
Israel has nothing to look in Israel or around it, it was Iran that started to attack Israel first, dont forget it, it was Ahmadinejad that said to wipe Israel of the map, it was your religious leaders shoving their noses into others people business.
Not only that but Iran arms Terrorist groups that attacks Israel: Hezbollah and Hamas
This conflict started by your side.
Thats nice talking for the Kurds, that land called Kurdistan, its their land, they have every right to Govern it and live by their rules.
Its extremely Hypocritical that Turkey, Iran and Syria but especially Turkey that bombs Kurds and kills them with plains and tanks to support “palestinians”
Kurds are ACTUAL real ethnicity unlike “palestinians” which are fake and never existed before 1968.
Right now there is Islamic Military Alliance (google them, they have wikipedia page ??????? ???????? ??????? ??????? ???????) that was organized by Saudis, its 35 countries with commander in Pakistan.
I dont know how you can even believe that Pakistan is your ally, they openly said that they can provide nukes to Saudia against Iran.
P.S. Iraqi Kurds vote in referendum for independence next month, it might lead to a war, Turkey and Iran may invade them.
“USA won Iraqi war, established democratic rule and left.”
Sorry, they did WHAT?
If you think they came for oil, you are mistaken, its a common conspiracy theory.
Look at the list of countries that develop Iraqi oil fields, most are by countries hat never fought in the war, USA has only 3 Oil fields.
Iraq HAS a democratic rule now.
What part do you disagree?
All of it;
– USA won (they seriously didn’t)
– established democratic rule (a puppet state, after a decade of insurgencies)
– left (they’re still there)
– They also directly created ISIS through their actions right after the invasion, including but not limited to disbanding the Iraqi Armed Forces & Police Services, which allowed them to go & become insurgents in the fight against the US-UK Allied Forces for years, before they eventually formed their own Caliphate in the form of ISIS/ISIL/whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, the US did a great f*cking job with the place.
And yeah, no, it wasn’t for oil, it was to create the Western Front for the Iranian invasion they intended to follow up with, but couldn’t once they were exposed to the entire world as a bunch of f*cking liars that made up evidence in order to justify their completely illegal invasion of a sovereign nation & the deposition of its rightful (democratically elected or not) government – in direct defiance of the UN, to boot.
Another fun part of this whole situation:
US lost men in Iraq war. they lost lots of money and ally support after that yet they let Iran to come and take most of Iraq. it’s “Democratic” govs is doing whatever iran wants them to do. i’m both happy and sad at the same time.
You cant have all that on your list without the first
“Iraq HAS a democratic rule now”
Democratic ? god they brainwashed you beyond repair.
“USA won Iraqi war, established democratic rule and left.”
Oh, is that what Fox told you ?
“Israel never wanted to take over Lebanon, they helped local Christians that were murderd by muslims”
No, not just Lebanon, they want all of the Mid east, they don’t care about Christians, actually most of Christians in Lebanon are in Favour of Hezbolah.
“USA never fought in Syria, only bombed ISIL”
Wrong again, they fought and still fighting Syrian gov. only bombing them to be honest.
“Russia is not sponsoring terrorism or openly threatens to destroy USA or its ally like Iran does with Israel.”
So as Iran, the only one who is supporting terrorism in the region is Saudi with the help of US.
“secular Shah”
Yet he was 100 times worst than mulsim mullahs.
“Israel has nothing to look in Israel or around it, it was Iran that started to attack Israel first”
Iran never attacked israel. it’s israel’s apartheid regime who is expanding it’s borders like there is no tomorrow.
“Iran arms Terrorist groups that attacks Israel”
You can call them terrorists but that doesn’t make them one. on the other hand we can count number of times and number of terror groups US armed and helped.
“Thats nice talking for the Kurds, that land called Kurdistan, its their land, they have every right to Govern it”
By that logic we should have 2000 more counties in the world. why won’t you let natives rule america ? Iraq’s kurdistan is part of Iraq, iran’s kurdistan is part of iran. end of story.
“Kurds are ACTUAL real ethnicity unlike “palestinians” which are fake and never existed before 1968″
Hahaha, sure dude, whatever fox says.
“Iraqi Kurds vote in referendum for independence next month, it might lead to a war, Turkey and Iran may invade them.”
Good. less socialists then.
Israel wants all of the ME? (to do what exactly?)
Apartheid? Thats a nice Joke.
Expanding its Borders? (Last time I checked Israel only got Smaller, actually much smaller) Iran has no borders with Israel, its NOT your problem whats going on there, if you think you can shove your nose into otehr peoples business than be ready for consequences: I wonder how will you react if Israel starts arming Iranian kurds and different Ahwazi liberation fronts)
Christians Support Hezbollah? (Someone never heard of Lebanese civil war and what Muslims did to Christians)
Worse under Shah? he was building the country a great man that was betrayed by ungrateful fools, im sure you love all the religious BS around you.
Hezbollah and Hamas are in fact terrorists and on Terrorist lists of most countries.
Well than the so called “palestine” is part of Israel and there is nothing to talk about.
Hypocrites.
Ever heard of the term Greater Israel ? i guess not.
“Apartheid? Thats a nice Joke”
Check the west bank, oh wait, check the map oh wait, at this point you are trolling like an idiot. smaller ? lol nice try.
“Iran has no borders with Israel, its NOT your problem whats going on there”
And US has no borders with most of the countries in the world, did it helped ?
“Someone never heard of Lebanese civil war and what Muslims did to Christians”
“DID” ever heard of Hitler ? why US are allies with the germany ? of wait hitler era passed and we are in a new era.
“he was building the country a great man that was betrayed by ungrateful fools, im sure you love all the religious BS around you.”
Under the Shah everything was worst also we were US puppets, we are not free yet but still miles better than what it was back then. religious crap around us didn’t hurt us as much as secular scum who sold it;s country.
“Hezbollah and Hamas are in fact terrorists and on Terrorist lists of most countries”
Not really. only US. bigger sponsor of terror itself.
It’s not. Here is a map, see that shrinking stuff ? you think israel is smaller ? wow, just wow.
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Here is a good word for you to learn: CONSPIRACY
You can shove that “map” back to where it came from, the Arabs NEVER agreed upon the partition and started a war in 1948, so this map is not valid, no one agreed upon it, and what you lose in war that you started its no one problem but yours.
Israel Gave way Sinai peninsula (2-3 times bigger then whole territory of Israel), which they legally won in a war after Egypt started the war.
Israel gave back Gaza.
The west bank is under PA control, Gaza is under Hamas.
Israel doesn’t owe them anything, nothing, they are not citizens.
Israeli Arab citizens have the same rights as others, there are Arab Judges, Policemen and Military men in Israel.
You have no idea what apartheid actually means, its just a word you repeat believing its going to stick and people are too stupid to understand.
Your conspiracy theories are insane, Israel has the strongest military in the middle east, IF they wanted more land, then the WHOLE MAP would been white, they could easily take over that plus any otehr country. Its just proves how delusional you people are.
“this map is not valid”
Yet it’s occupied by your buddies.
“Israeli Arab citizens have the same rights as others”
No. they are the definition of the second class citizens specially in west bank.
“IF they wanted more land, then the WHOLE MAP would been white”
Unlike you, they have brain and know what is good for them and what is not, if they do this so soon, they will lose their victim card.
Whats so hard to understand? people in the west bank are NOT Israeli, they are Government by Palestinian Authority, someone called Abbas, ever heard of him?
Yet israel thinks it’s their land and have to push them out and calim it, by killing whomever they want without any media coverage.
They are NOT Israeli citizens, you cant have apartheid with foreigners it doesn’t work this way.
Kill? Thats pure BS and propaganda, ts enough to look at their numbers, they GROW not decrease.
if there is no media coverage then how do you know? because your TV told you?!
And that’s not an Israeli land, you can’t just take it, throw them out then call it your lands and play the victim.
I don’t watch TV but i can say the exact same thing about you, stop watching Fox and stop going breitbart.
You are being lied to, no one steals no land.
The Arabs rejected the partition plan, then they attacked the Jews on Israel creation day and lost.
Before the war, West bank land was part of Jordan and people there had Jordanian passports, Jordan was one of the countries that attacked Israel and Lost.
There is no Palestine as country and never was, the last owner of that land was Jordan.
So Jews arent stealing no land, Jordan attacked Israel and lost in the war, that land belongs to Israel.
After the war,Jews allowed the arbs there to stay, they could of kicked them out back in 1948 and NO ONE would of complained, in 1948 everyone including Stalin was supporting Israel.
Its not as simple as “Them Jews stealing the land”.
Do you think if you rename some land its automatically yours? What you call West-bank been called Judea and Samaria on every ancient map for the last 2000 years, Judea as Kingdom of Judea.
How do you explain that?
How do you explain that some muslim arabs saying that something that was historically called Judea “historically” belongs to Arabs and not the Jews?
Same with Gaza, before the war it was part of Egypot and people there had Egyptian passports, Egypt Lost the war and worse never asked for that land back, Israel would be very happy if Egypt takes over Gaza and instates rule of law, Mr Sisi is Great Geneal and Politian, highly respected peacemaker.
Again, Jews being merciful, demolished all their houses and farms and gave back all the Gaza to the arbs, without asking anything back. The Arabs replayed with missiles, rockets and mortars.
Back when Gaza was under Israeli control there was ZERO mortars, missiles or any sort of terrorist attacks.
You dont need to watch TV, they teach you Antisemitism and hatred towards west from the Kindergarten, you are bombard with anti-Israli and Anti-american propoganda from all sides in Iran.
Its pitiful really, i seen videos ofg teheran and huge anti israli/American gratify, i can promise you there is no anti-Iran gratify in Tel-Avvi or New-York or Jerusalem.
lol so you are saying no one stole the lands, land belong to jordan but some how israel has it now and it belongs to israel ? ok.
Because Jews were there even before arabs, but now they don’t want the land that they owned before they want more. that’s the problem and how israel deals with it, by claiming more lands, treat arabs like second class citizens and expanding.
They never asked for their lands because they lost the battle ? just like 1000 years ago with some countries, we attacked your country now your lands are ours, israel said ok we won and it’s ours now. how nice of them.
Yeah great general that came to power with a coup. he is a true peacemaker.
So you are saying back then when israel occupied gaza with force there wasn’t such a thing as mortars and rockets ? how nice an merciful, specially now when they bomb their power structures and refuse them power etc… it’s all for the good of the people, yeah and golan heights and occupied syrian lands also shows how merciful they are.
Anti-Zionism =/= Antisemitism. that’s what your b**thurt media tries to sell, any criticism against our ally is antisemitism. once again, this goes both ways, you are bombarded with anti iran propaganda by your media.
“Good. less socialists then.”
Epic.
They realise they’re becoming irrelevant, as oil stop being the world’s primary go-to energy source, so they see that the end is coming for them once American politicians decide it’s no longer in their best interests to protect them from all the international hate that they’ve been blocking from them for decades, now.
It’s funny, considering how much time they’ve had to prepare for the coming change. I mean, sh*t, even Boeing has started investing into spacecrafts, for f*ck’s sake & that shift is even further out than the fall of the Oil Industry to Nuclear Energy, or whatnot.
the CEO’s are just doing it for the money (either that, or they’re afraid they’ll bomb their tweeter with threats)
honestly, the CEO’s deserve to die as well
“in all honestly, a nuke is what america sorely needs” Well california could use one.
At least in order to get rid of that ungodly joke that is the California State Government, if nothing else.
Perhaps the greatest f*ck up Bethesda has made with the Creation Club is how it actually works. Whether we use it or not, every Fallout 4 gamer had been forced to download all of its currently published content. So that’s circa 681MB of extra data on our SSD/HDD.
Even worse is the fear that all future Creation Club content may be forced on us to download whether we use it or not. Also, due to how the game works, its exe file may well be updated with each of these future Creation Club updates which will temporarily cripple ShadowBoost and more importantly F4SE with all the mods it depends on.
Folk on forums and videos from Gopher and the like have rightly torn Bethesda a new one in response. The above is a far more serious issue than how good or otherwise the Creation Club’s content is and yet the big name sites are largely not covering it.
681MB? Huh, I heard it was a whole 2GBs. But either way, yeah.
Of course not, can’t slut-shame Bugthesda! Y’know, unless they’re launching yet another broken game, in which case they’re basically forced to cover it, or get called out for not covering it.
The game update was ~2GB but the CC content specifically is ~681MB of that.
Perhaps most aggravating of all is the supposed reason for why Bethesda executed it this way. It’s said to be due to the limitations of the game on console to handle mod content, e.g. the Xbone version can only handle ~2GB of mods. Hence for why Bethesda have done it this way by expanding the base game along with updating its exe file. So PC gamers are being made to suffer because of console limitations and Bethesda’s stupidity.
Aha, right.
Sounds like an excuse, honestly. I mean, it’s a good excuse & it would probably be so either way, but it just sounds like an excuse they came up with to justify forcefully shoving this sh*t down our throats. They’ve used that excuse before, after all.
My gut feeling is that they’ll eventually see sense and change the way the CC works. Not because of PC gamers alone but because their shambolic execution of the CC also affects console gamers too.
When most consoles have a tiny 500GB HDD (much less than that is available for storage) then I imagine plenty of them will also be angry at being forced to install huge amounts of extra data that they don’t need.
Bethesda will, in my opinion, be more likely to improve the situation when all of their customers are affected. That said, they binned their first attempt at paid mods and that was a PC-only issue so I could be wrong!
If it ends up affecting sales, anything is possible! 😀
well if bethesda p*sses enough people at the same time
fallout 4 will be bombarded with neg reviews
like the previous payed mods $hitstorm, this will explode in their faces.
they can’t fight nature
updating the .exe will just advocate piracy
trying to regulate mods will just draw a bigger “FU” from the modding community
and of course the next step is probably selling their games on their own DRM-launcher, which will also end in failure
creation club is doomed to fail
“fallout 4 will be bombarded with neg reviews”
Already is being 😛
true, but the overall score is still 70+%
though now everyone who wants to buy this will see the stagnating 20% and abandon ship
too bad bethesda doesn’t care for steam score, if they did the creation club will be scrapped
but given enough bad press it will likely end like the previous payed mods scheme
Too right! At the time of posting Steam indicates,
Recent user reviews: Mostly Negative
“20% of the 4642 user reviews in the last 30 days are positive”
Remember that the Creation Club launched very recently so the percentage of negative user reviews from the past week or so will likely be much higher than the stated 80%!
Indeed. Neg bombing Steam reviews may be a crude tactic but past evidence clearly suggests it can work in forcing publishers including Bethesda to improve things and even reverse deeply unpopular decisions.
In the absence of Bethesda ditching the Creation Club completely then here’s hoping they at least change the way it’s been executed as outlined in my earlier comment because it’s wholly unacceptable as things stand. If they refuse to change anything and then bring the Creation Club to Skyrim, as is their stated intention, in its current form then the current consumer pushback will be dramatically intensified.
Zenimax have already started down the path of selling Bethesda games via their own launcher entirely independent of Steam because The Elder Scrolls Online is offered both as a Steam key and also as a key activated via their own launcher whereby Steam isn’t required.
So you saying there havent been pirated mods yet?
“. It’ll pass, ”
Will it? My bet is that the next generation rejcts it like our generation rejected PC in the 90s.
Generation Z is the most conservative in decades. Fact.
This sh*t is going to blow up in their faces once they come to voting age, which is set to happen just in time for the 2020-2022 election periods 😀
Who would have thought that a generation of gays trans, lesbians with blue hair, tattos, political correctness relegion bashing, open borders and no money would make the youth turn conservative to fight all this?
Who would have thought? But i thought sjws could control everyone til the end of time like the soviet union. Speaking of which all those ex soviet countries are extremely nationalistic, xenophobic and more relegious and materialistic than ever before….and immoral lets not get into that though.
The left has achieved the opposite result every time they tried.
Well, except for Germany….. I mean, Fuhrer Merkel is from East Germany, but she seemingly didn’t learn a single thing growing up under the Stazi Regime.
Oh, well.
Because in germany they dont say FASCIM and NAZIS, they call it what it really is “national socialism” so the social democrats get the heat. Germans did voluntary austerity for 10 years to make their economy the most competitive. The opposite of the socialism that leads to nazis taking over….The german media are sjws though.
Not that that’s stopping the rise of the Socialist Party in Germany, though.
Seriously, the SDP is the second biggest party in Germany right now & they’re actively fighting Merkel’s CDU (Christian Democrats Union) to become the biggest. Her last coalition government was actually formed with these f*ckers.
That piece of sh*t Schulz, formerly of the EU is heading it.
As for the German media; oh, yeah. They were even exposed for trying to cover up the mass-r*pe incidents back in 2015…. absurd sh*t, basically.
A few months ago it was first. They are not winning. From what i heard Merkels party run ads saying “tsipras supports Schulz” or “bankrupt Greeks would vote schultz” and he lost alot of voters.
GENIUS. Merkerl is aiming for coalition with the neoliberals this time. I dont get the formerly of the EU argument, he was part of the party then he got in the eu, then he left the eu and got back to the party. The party gained votes because of him returning.
Merkel is also losing a lot of votes, she keeps getting boo’d when she shows up to events. Honestly, I’m starting to think they’re only keeping her as the face of the party for now because they don’t want to remove her “just like that” since she’s also the co-leader of the EU, but they fully intend to vote her out once it’s time to choose the next Chancellor.
(The Germans don’t vote on the Chancellery, the Parliament votes, using secret ballot, so you have to secure a majority of the votes in order to secure the Chancellery).
Merkel should be aiming for a coalition with the AfD in order to shore up her support, really, but it seems she’s chosen to ardently dedicate herself to the path of “Conservative When It Suits Me :D” so good riddance to her.
Martin Schulz – Former President of the European Parliament
That’s the “formerly of the EU” part & problem, both. EU sceptics are alienating away from him like he’s an Ebola carrier. But yeah, they won’t win, there’s enough level-headed Germans left to keep him out, thankfully….. for now.
“Japan openly sells child pronz (animated of course)”
DDoS attack from 4chan incoming!
godbless 4Chan
the best memes are made by racists and ped0philes
(don’t ddos me plux)
Personally the kekisan memes are the best, the videos in youtube about kekistan are amazing.
Blow me. It’s not the developer’s place to play mommy and daddy over how people choose to mod their single player games. People don’t want to hear this overbearing morally panicked crap, whether it comes from crazy Christians, SWJ’s or corporations who think they know best.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/04d50a499b29607d065d6acf31ff3246246476dcb9f32b3d44aa44cb8e221b3c.jpg
“For Final Fantasy XV, Square Enix does not want to restrict modders in any way, something that is… well… a pleasant surprise”
but there already restricting mods and threatening to not have mods in there other games if you go against there restrictions……
this cant be a serious article… satire?
“told PCGamer”
it’s definitely satire then
My only surprise in reading said linked article was that PCG’s most vocal SJW Andy Chalk hadn’t written it.
luckily for me i never return to that horrible shill site
hell they even defended creation club with carefully selected wording..
they’ve sunk into Gamespot tier of articles, all shill and no substance
plus the SJW bias…
The guy who co-wrote the article, Tyler Wilde, isn’t exactly without controversy either. He’s the guy with the sense of humour bypass who pompously preached at us to no longer use the term ‘PC master race’. Oh, and he’s also the guy who failed to declare the fact he was dating the ‘Communications Associate’ of Ubisoft when PCG published numerous articles by him pertaining to Ubisoft products.
Sources:
– as we’re not allowed to post links then search PCG for the article ‘Let’s stop calling ourselves the PC master race’.
– see the ‘Ethics Incidents’ section of the Wikipedia page for PCG
Alright, I’m in…. So long as we get to change our name to the PC Mistah Race.
;D
I shall think of the two aforementioned PCG staff members as being PCMR. *
* Politically Correct Misandrist Regressives
“they’ve sunk into Gamespot tier of articles”
I remember when gamespot was good.
The sad thing is is you check the forums of gamespot it is 100% console wars, no one cares about the social justice crap.
The good thing is the new generation rejects that trash.
Gamespot has a sub-forum for politics. That’s how it gets around the issue.
Funny that some people insist you can’t cordon off the politics from games coverage, that biases of one consistent kind are inevitable etc; etc; and then someone makes a sub-forum to funnel all that crap into and it works perfectly :S
More sites should do that.
This ultimatum has happened before and didn’t work last time. Why does he think it’l work now?
I think it’s a publicity stunt. Look at all the barely dressed women in FF15.
“it’s try to be as controlled as possible.”
Anyone that says this doesn’t respect or understand PC gaming. Take your trash to the consoles.
At least they asked nicely
Not like DOA devs who threatened
lol. DOA devs have problems with mods because they want to sell more DLCs, not because they don’t want crappy nude mods.
Lol so all those barely clothes women are ok.
Of course!
Its not like anyone wants to see a gay boy band nude.
Well, the gays & straight chicks aside, though I suppose they only make up a small portion of the overall playerbase 😛
Wait – sarcasm?
You just have no idea… 😀
” Square Enix plans to release a powerful level editor too)”
This should be the news. I end up buying tomb raider legends because people made maps for it.
Who wanna look at four nude dudes?
UPDATE: he also went on to say it would only be a plus if all dongs in modded games were replaced with a picture of Tim Allen.
I hope Final Fantasy VII Remake gets released to PC with mod support too, it will be gorgeous.
I just want a mod that replaces the main cast, with these.
Main Jecht from X or Cloud from 7
Side Kick #1 Fran from 12 (a MUST no discussions)
Side Kick #2 Oerba from 13
Side Kick #3 Lulu From X
I understand that no one is going to replace the Spoken dialog, so ill have to ignore, but if you cant ignore than replace them with better man
Main: Cloud from 7 (Hes young and will do as prince)
The blond girl replaced with: Tidus from X
The big guy replaced with Basch from 12
And the “smart” guy replaced with Jecht from X
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No body said that. they said the other way around.
200+ comments ? Yall love them mods