It appears that Bethesda and id Software have removed Denuvo from DOOM. While id Software did not state anything at all in the release notes of the latest update for DOOM, Denuvo is no longer present in the latest version of id Software’s shooter.
This is the second game for which Denuvo has been completely removed. The first one was Playdead’s Inside.
Bethesda and id Software have not commented on this yet, and have not revealed the reasons why this anti-tamper tech has been removed.
However, it appears that Denuvo’s removal was due to both DOOM and Inside being cracked in such a relatively short amount of time.
According to a Redditor, who claims to be a game developer for a company that started using Denuvo, publishers do not have to pay for Denuvo (and claim a refund) if their games are cracked within a certain time. Moreover, and in order to claim the refund, publishers must remove Denuvo from their games.
As the Redditor claimed:
“I work for a large studio that started using Denuvo recently. I’m neutral on piracy and pirate TV shows a lot, so don’t give me a hard time, certainly not here to judge.
I do want to explain what happened here, Denuvo Software Solutions offers a guarantee, if your Denuvo game is cracked within a certain time (3 months is normal), you do not have to pay for Denuvo. Part of claiming the refund is you must remove Denuvo from your game.”
As always, take with this with a grain of salt, however this logic does seem to apply to both DOOM and Inside.
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Please, do one performance test before and after Denuvo be removed on Doom.
DOOM ran great even with Denuvo. There weren’t any performance issues (other than the increased amount of draw calls in particular scenes that were improved – performance wise – with Vulkan)
I know it’s just to confirm if without Denuvo makes the game runs a little better, will it use less % of any of those now that it’s removed: HDD, CPU, GPU and RAM now, plus any fps boost on the game?
Denuvo causing performance issues is a myth. It’s just been used on many of the poorly optimized games released lately. Removing it will change nothing.
“Removing it will change nothing”
But it not being there makes the game lighter and thus it can run faster.
It will change and it has it’s impact on performance but it might be 0.000001% who knows.
is an undetectable different really a difference? I’m going to say no.
Yes it is, it might be 30% or it might be 0.01% no one knows, depends on the game and how they implemented it.
Agreed, man. After playing the CPY version I’d have gladly supported id because it’s a great game but that Denuvo crap made sure that I didn’t. It’s especially disheartening considering the recent Black Friday discounts. Well I guess if we have proof that Denuvo is gone for sure then we’ll have another shot at buying it at a discount sometime around Christmas.
Then how about you just don’t play the game, simple? Doom was recently on sale at 50% off and you could have picked it up then.
Please don’t. I’d be happy if you simply stopped complaining about everything as if you were a paying customer.
isnt ea and ubisoft worse?
Doom goes on sale alot, it’s 50% off most of the time and they removed it for sure, i guess wait for another discount and buy it. i would do the same but i hate FPS.
edit: well i don’t hate them, i don’t like them either.
It was on sale literally 5 times already. That guy is just using Denuvo as an excuse not to buy it.
Are you using Denuvo as an excuse not to buy a game?
Yes. And I’m not the only one. If it was featured on GOG I’d snag it for full priceat launch given the quality of the game. Denuvo needs to die.
I hate to break it to you buddy. But the number of people who can afford to buy games but don’t because of Denuvo are pretty damn small. Like the ones who boycott pre ordering. But then again pre order still exist why xD?
I guess you got all the verified statistics then, I’d love to see it. I could afford at full price but I didn’t buy it on principle. And stupid pre-order culture needs to die as well. It’s not as if they’re gonna run out of digital copies.
Do a performance test if you still have the game unpatched.
EVERYONE START TESTING AND CHECK FOR PERFORMANCE INCREASES.
There are none…
really, then that is +1 for denuvo.
there goes my hope to see ROTR running better if they remove the drm, in the end it’s Nixes fault.
They supposedly did it, and no performance increase was achieved -The bronco/painteR thing- there’s video of the method decompiling the exe and repackaging it without the Denuvo triggers but the info is scarce, Russian and there’s no crack available on the wild to back that up, so take that as you will.
I’m also not a reliable source of information on this matter so… yeah. 😛
It’s been the devs fault for years, especially with this gen’s swarm of bad port jobs.
actually checking performance doesn’t prove anything. apparently they keep updating denuvo, so who knows which “version” may had issues in this regard. regardless though there is no proof at least yet.
same here no performance gain
No need many games use denuvo and run just fine
So, this is happening only because the game was cracked in under 90 days?
Huh. Maybe the subscription costs rumour was false after all, then? O.o
Regardless, wow, CPY just got a serious reason to get those cracks done as soon as possible….. Excellent!
Read my comment above.
ANd it’ll mean no DRM on games and more piracy as time goes on. It’s foolhardy to say that a game like DOOM wouldn’t get pirated though.
Piracy happens regardless, it doesn’t just poof and vanish for another millennia, only to be ushered in by some evil corp. it’s been happening for centuries before the net even existed and it’s not going to stop now.
Honestly man i have been checking steamspy since denuvo was first used, i found no correlation between denuvo and increased sales. What i did found was that the more complex and big the game is the longer it takes for the game to get cracked, which is a good indicator considering that way devs might make more complex games with more variables and not linear shooters.
“more piracy” why? Did no piracy = “more sales” as they claimed for so long? No, so why would the opposite be true, unless game quality continues to degrade into sh*ts & giggles?
It’s like Movie Theatre numbers; they keep moaning that the number of people showing up is dropping, so they raise the prices…. Except, the prices have now reached such absurd proportions, why in the f*ck would anyone but the most die-hard fans or the most money-rich assclowns ever buy more than 2-3 movie tickets a year anymore?
Especially since it’s not like Hollywood’s making anything particularly “MUST SEE!“, outside of maybe 1-2 things a year I can actually recommend spending money on to see in a theatre…..
The thing is, we can’t just say piracy has zero effect on the industry or profits. It’s absolutely insane to suggest is doesn’t do anything negative or anything to just shrug over.
Absolutely no effect what-so-ever? No, sure. There is an effect, the problem is, the effect is negligible. Some people pirate as a demo, some people pirate & wait to buy it at a discount, some people pirate because they just can’t afford it, some people pirate because the game is geo-locked for them, some people pirate just because they don’t believe the game in question is worth paying for, or they just download it out of spite. Some people pirate because of the DRM, even – some want to circumvent it because it’s an intrusive piece of sh*t nightmare they want to avoid, others want to spite the developers entirely as a result of their choice to use DRM.
None of these downloads equate to lost sales. Then, of course, there’s a minority of a minority of a minority who both download, & are fully capable + willing to pay for the game in the first place, upon which Denuvo may or may not have an effect.
Unfortunately, as I said, that effect is so negligible, it’s barely noticeable. All this howling the industries have been doing for decades now about how “every download is a lost sale” is utter bullsh*t, & everyone knows it. A piracy-free world, or even just a piracy-choked world like the one the motion picture industry is trying to create with all the new DRM’s on 4K content, Denuvo has pretty much created for video games, & the music industry may very well attempt to create now that Apple is pushing us away from analog towards all-digital music, will not result in the mythical sales figure boosts they claim.
All this is just bullsh*t propaganda. I repeat; THIS IS ALL A LIE, & the evidence is staring you right in the face, courtesy of Denuvo Software Solutions. Yeah, sure, most of the Denuvo titles are sh*t, but so what? Where’s the mythical sales figures we’ve been hearing about for the last near-20 years or so? Where’s the proof that this bullsh*t actually has a reason to exist, beyond control? I doesn’t exist.
You say it does do something negative? Sure, absolutely, but the question is – how big is this “negative” thing, exactly? Because all the evidence indicates it’s nothing, if not a completely negligible thing, that’s been puffed up like a Blowfish to absurd dimensions in order for the multimedia industries to have a standing bad guy scapegoat when something goes wrong for them.
Again; theatre attendance isn’t in the sh*tter because of movie piracy, cable TV isn’t dying because of piracy, bla bla bla, bla bla bla, bla bla bla. If anything, it’s because of piracy that we even have digital distribution on such a wide scale, today. Hell, if Hollywood had had its way a few years ago, we’d still be buying everything on discs – exclusively. Did you know, for example, that comic books went digital in order to, ergo, literally, in response to the growing trend of people scanning, uploading, & downloading comic books every week? True story. Digital Downloads are now bundled in with Blu-Ray discs because of piracy, & yet, tragedy! The movie industry is choking on its own genericness, so IT’S PIRACY’S FAULT, IT’S THOSE FILTHY CRIMINALS! HANG THEM, BURN THEM, GUT THE F*CKERS! What? It’s OUR fault? What? No. That’s impossible. Box Office numbers are at record high’s. We’re doing RIGHT. YOU PEOPLE, YOU, THE CRIMINALS, THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!
Yeah, OK…..
TLDR: Good games sell themselves, period. Crysis (OG) sold just fine, regardless of its high piracy numbers. Would it have sold better if SecuROM had not been cracked? Extremely doubtful. It sold what it did because it was a good game, just like bad games sell what they do because they’re bad games, period, with Denuvo having little to no effect on that outcome what-so-ever.
I’m sorry, but I just can’t agree that piracy is entirely negligible and small with nothing to worry about for anyone.
Well there arent any sales proving otherwise. Denuvo proved that very few people pirate games or atleast buy those games if they cant pirate them.
And that’s guess data just as much.
lolwhat?
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He’s saying it’s not definitive proof of anything, basically.
Problem is, as I’ve already pointed out, there’s no evidence that a piracy-free world would increase sales anyway, even now that Denuvo is choking piracy.
“Where’s the mythical sales figures we’ve been hearing about ”
Did you copy that from me?
Don’t think so? O.o
I don’t know, maybe I read it on one of your comments, & I picked it up as an expression, but other than that, they’ve been screaming about “lost sales” for decades now 😛
Well it’s not all doom and gloom, sometimes pirates might like the game and defend/hype it in social media and the game might get a free positive marketing from them. positive word of mouth is a thing.
well no DRM = more pirated downloads = more piracy.
Piracy is acquiring a copy of a game without paying. Why pay for a game when you can acquire something for free. DRM won’t increase sales since the pirates themselves aren’t potential customers. Only a handful of pirates actually buy games. I pirated resident evil 5 back in 2009. And only after 7 years did I buy it on Steam since a friend wanted to play it with me.
“but if the crackers can literally put Denuvo out of business”
Arent they the ones who screwed by pc with securom? If yes screw em.
Yeap, we now have all the empirical proof we require that anti-piracy DRM’s don’t increase sales in the least, so Denuvo is beginning to overstay its welcome. As such – time to gut the b*tch.
I hope they will be remove it from Dishonored 2 as well. i’m sure that performance will improve.
That sucks now CPY will crack new titles to get devs to remove denuvo instead of old forgotten trash that deserve to be pirated (lords of the fallen, fc primal, homefront the revolution, i am gonna add mgs v here which they recently cracked, because FUUU konami, thats why)
“Deserves to be pirated” & “actually worth wasting time on” however are two different categories, in the end. Even if cracked, for example, I’d still never waste time on Far Cry Primal, Lords of the Fallen, Homefront 2, etc.
(I already have MGSV…… OH THE SHAME >.<)
lol i have that 19.99$ demo version of it, paid that much to support them and welcome the title release for PC, then they used denuvo and i said F you and never bought TPP.
I did the opposite i pirated the ground zeroes as a demo and bought TPP…i love the game but you can tell konami did not let them finish it. Now that i see what konami has become, i wish i did not support them, i mean its not like konami is gonna make any games from now on.
Well i can’t say i loved it, i watched it all, it’s the worst game design i saw in years even worst than Ubi titles, do this mission 40x times then go to the next act and do the same and wait for the next act which is not in the game because it’s unfinished .
That part is true its left over from peacer walker but the actual sneaking part is pretty fun. Sadly the camps are nowhere near as grand as the one in ground zeroes.
Well when primal came out it was crap. But they release the survival update with alot of tweaks. You have a endurance bar, when you run and fight you run out. So you need to sleep. You can only heal yourself with food. Fast traveling requires food and endurance. You cant craft arrows on the fly, you need to hold down the button and wait a while, so you cant pull new arrows out of nowhere when you run out in the middle of combat. There is no minimap or objective indicators and there are less animals around. Also optional permadeath. Feels more like a open world survival game with a story especially with all that grinding you need to do. Still should have been 30 bucks game instead of 60. Homefront when patched has some nice guirella moments, should be a nice pick for 10 bucks.
I’d add Mafia 3 and Watch Dogs 2 to that list of games I’d never ever touch.
mafia 3 is cracked watchdogs 2 is good actually.
Really you did not buy doom? I mean what else do you want they improve the editor and even add bots so you can play mp when its dead in 2-3 years.
The beginning of doom gave me a hard on, so a co op campaign would have hurt that ,if you gonna do coop campaign you need bigger maps and more monsters. I wont comment on the atrocity the mp is, still a good editor can fix all of that.
I hate the console focused MP than I do some DRM that does little to impact my general life.
“they improve the editor” they added sprinkles & some cream to a turd, mate, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a turd.
F*cking jackoffs across the entire industry think all we want these days is moron-levels of hand-holding, because we’re too stupid to think for ourselves the way we did 15 years ago.
When the game came out the editor was garbage, now it is serviceable with decent features. To reach that state, ubisoft had to make 3 far cry games. Fc2 was mp only, fc3 did not give you a functional inventory. Doom is far better than that and they keep updating it.
Anyway, doom 3 and rage got a editor and cant say many people used them. At-least they are improving the game by adding stuff for free all that time after release.
I’m confused. What has Ubisoft’s piece of sh*t CryEngine branch engine got to do with id Sotware & the id Tech 6 engine?
Great, one of the most important companies in PC gaming history made a better set of mod tools than one of the most anti-PC companies in history. Hurrah?
Actually I think DOOM 3 had plenty of mods even from the start, whereas RAGE, well, for one thing, the mod tools came out (if I recall correctly) over a year after the game was actually released, & for another, Carmack gave us the entire editor – the exact same editor that id Software used when they made the actual game (his words), not a watered down joke version of it.
The problem was, the documentation that came with it was sh*t (read: non-existent), RAGE was sh*t & already long-dead, & id Tech 5 was…. Well, it hadn’t exactly made the best impression on people, so nobody ever used it in the end.
Yeah, they’re adding free stuff, that’s great – pity it’s all pointless, since it’s all Multiplayer content, & the Multiplayer portion is a joke.
Steam restarted downloading this game after downloading 45GB thanks to this patch. I’m so freaking pissed.
Let me say the game is almost 80 GB big by now, and most of things they added are paid DLCs I believe from that size.
Even more enjoyable than restarted downloads.
Either way id make their money back if it’s cracked, which means those that want to tamper with the anti tamper software are just giving them more money.
Finding it amusing at how some are already desperate to claw onto Denuvo crippling game performance.
Still waiting for that court case size of evidence from the general public though.
Still did the job that it was suppose to do.
if only it did the job in the games it still is in….oh wait, thats right drm does not affect sale nor stops piracy. Steamspy stats speak for themselves.
”Steamspy stats speak for themselves”
What do you mean by this?
Meaning that Denuvo tech is useless when a game it not sell well.
See other games like Mordor,Mad Max,JC3,Anno 2205,NFS,Far Cry Primal,Batman AK and so on,which use Denuvo but they dont sell very well.
Push that anti-tamp tech,but with that low sells will be useless.
I mainly agree but one could argue that they still sell more than they would have. But you cant really test that, maybe if you take game sale averages after denuvo implementation. Even then it’s not that scientific.
Stats show sales have improved since pirates cannot steal games early on in the games life. It helps developers.
Stats? What stats? Where? By whom? Links please, by actually trustworthy sources, not some j*ckoff mainstream media sycophantic website that’ll publish just about anything its corporate publisher overlords demand of it.
What Stats are these then?
Nope, also they are two different bypass methods to pirate denuvo games day 1 without problem. so pirates job got harder but still they can pirate all of them. like to see your stats.
What stats? I looked at steamspy there was no correlation between denuvo and cracked on day 1 games, some sold others didnt. Denuvo did not magically increase sales, pirates simply did not bought them.
Titles sell when they are good and their price tag has been set right. This industry should look in the mirror when it comes to public distrust and poor sales.
Once again with the
“anti-tamper tech”
Do you get paid per letter for this phrase?
If it was anti-piracy then none of me crew would be able to play it.
I don’t get it that’s what it is.
It’s just DRM.
How? Steam is the underlying DRM this protects that DRM.
If I’m wearing a pullover and then on top of that I put on a second pullover, does it become something else?
That’s an awful straw man you have there. Bread covers meat on a sandwich, that makes the meat bread?
If a game shipped with just Denuvo, no Steam, would Denuvo suddenly become DRM then?
It’s just DRM. People in the cracking scene agree with me on this. Who told you it wasn’t DRM?
If a game shipped with just Denuvo what would it protect? Thats my whole point. DRM restricts access to digital content, Denuvo and other anti-tamper soft restricts access to the DRM. I’m not defending it, it’s just never felt like DRM to me.
But it doesn’t protect Steam, it protects the game. Denuvo does not do anything to Steam.
When I said Steam I mean “steamworks” the DRM used by Steam
Well, it’s technically accurate; it’s more than just an anti-piracy mechanism, it’s an anti-game files tampering mechanism. It clamps down on certain aspects of modding, making it an anti-tampering technology.
“Do you get paid per letter for this phrase?”
What.
It’s a really weird term that is only ever used in context with this one program. I’m pretty sure the phrase didn’t EXIST before Denuvo so where does it come from? Probably Denuvo’s marketing department. I don’t like marketing lingo. I don’t think it’s in the interest of CONSUMERS to ever use marketing lingo. It irks me in the same way it irks me when console gamers defy all logic by referring to their current console as “next-gen”. These words are chosen carefully to create an impression that favors what is being described. In the console case they want their newest model to sound like it’s from the future for as long as it’s out. Pretty obvious. In Denuvo’s case I think they want their software to sound cute, harmless, whimsical, while what’s really going on inside your OS when Denuvo is running is probably scary as hell and you wouldn’t allow it to happen if someone explained in detail what Denuvo has access to.
The paid per letter quip is meant to once again call out that DSOG use this exact term at least twice in every Denuvo article.
Good point.
As for DSOG; they write about stuff we’re interested in, or rather, actively discuss on, I suppose? Either way, the point is, they report on Denuvo so much because it’s a hot topic with the community [here], & to be fair, they did stop reporting on Denuvo’s cracked/uncracked state once the first real crack showed up.
Sure, one could argue they report on Denuvo more than others, but then again, they also report on DLC’s far less than others, so…. quid pro quo? 😛 Hell, some sites don’t even report on any anti-consumer measures at all. Talk about loving the cool-aid.
It affected me in no way. So, I don’t care either way. I don’t understand why people do.
Because it needs internet to activate, if you reinstall your os or make any software changes then you need to reactivate your games, it also stops alot of mods to work
It also turns games into a service. Once the Denuvo check servers go down, what’s the guarantee our games won’t go down with them?
Once the Denuvo check servers go down, what’s the guarantee our games won’t go down with them?
Just like Steam.
Sure, people say the same of Steam & our libraries, but at least
Valve, as lazy as they’ve become in recent years, is still a trustworthy
company. These f*ckers? Not a chance in hell they give a sh*t about any
of us, in my opinion.
You’re missing the point; Steam’s users are at the mercy of their fortunes and their discretion of their moderators as much as anyone’s.
That’s why GOG is my favorite source for games. I almost always wait for their sales over Steam’s.
il prob get some hate for this but i download a crack for every game i purchase on steam, uplay and origin, that way if any of those goes down i can still safely play my games offline
I Always do the same, EA banned my country few weeks ago and don’t have access to my own library, but i have all of those games with their crack no a huge loss but still F those thieves..
some hate
There’s nothing wrong with making sure that you can access that for which you’ve paid. If you bought it, then you should own it. (I myself have only ever participated in Steam sales, not Steam rentals.)
If Valve does fall, and they don’t take care of their customers, then our only recourse will be to online “resources.”
A lot of folks at The Witcher 3 launch had encountered bugs while othe people didn’t so they felt the need to make a blanket statement that there is no issue just because THEY have not encountered any. Just because it does not affect YOU in particular doesn’t mean that it’s the same for all other folks out there.
2010 Haiti earthquake affected me in no way, i don’t understand why people in Haiti got affected.
lmao]
Poor haitian pirates :^(
Did Denuvo on Doom affect you, or anyone you know, or anyone on the news? No. It’s a different situation. You’re comparison is void and poorly constructed to the point that it’s completely irrelevant.
Yes, not Doom but it affected me on DAI and RotTR and Hitman, it was worst on DAI. your whole point was irrelevant from the beginning.
I think what he’s trying to say that as a legitimate customer Denuvo has not affected him in any way. And I think for the most part Denuvo hasn’t affected most legitimate customers in any way..
However there is still the concern that if the servers ever go down the games will go down along with it. I think whats gonna happen is that once a game is cracked the publishers will remove the Denuvo protection since its no longer needed. This should silence concerns about the Denuvo servers and stuff.
I know what he meant and i told him it affected me in some games.
“I think whats gonna happen is”
“This should silence concerns”
You think. but sorry this s**t happened before and publishers didn’t gave 2 f**k about it. there is 0 reason to defend or rely on such thing, it’s anti consumer, end of story.
A lot of Linux users care. Doom 2016 has no Linux binaries, however the MP Alpha ran flawlessly in WINE and had no DRM. The release version of Doom had Denovo, which would not allow it to launch in WINE at all.
Although Linux aside, DRM only delays piracy instead of preventing it and does far more harm to the legitimate consumer. When GFWL shut down its servers, all games authenticated through it had to be cracked in order for people to play the games that they paid for.
The day we will be able to double middle finger ms with playing games on linux, that day i will dance around naked in a nursery home.
People should do a performance comparison between unpatched version and this they claim denuvo harm performance.
Meanwhile just cause 3 still uncracked
I can’t say I’ve ever seen any such impact with games using it. The majority of those that use it have ended up being buggy due to the devs just being bad at their job. All I keep hearing from some people, is that the DRM measure cripples performance and makes it very noticeable to a point where they shriek about it all the more.
F*ck Just Cause 3.
Why? just cause 3 seems like fun…
Formerly-F2P piece of sh*t that was never properly converted, still f*cked up levels of “optimisation” going around, etc.
It’s a solid game, but it still needs actual work, rather than DLC-pumping developers trying to claim that it’s all fixed – one year later.
Let me explain something to the lot of you. Games without denuvo are and can have mods. GTA V has thousands of mods, now games with denuvo do not, like planet coaster. Mods are what keep a game alive, if the mod community cannot access the game files to create these mods then the game will die. You think GTA v and rct3 would still be popular is they did not have mods.
In order to create a mod you have to tamper with the game files, I bet doom may start to see some mods now. It’s not likely because the game is considered old right now. Denuvo stops mods and I’m against that.
but thats wrong, Just Cause 3 has Denuvo and also has had a mod that adds multiplayer
That’s with the Dev’s Help. first MP mod was impossible and in the end it got canceled. second MP mod was 1)got helped from the devs 2)they found another way to mod without touching the exe.
Right? you have to work around it but its not impossible.
Yeah sure, but you still need dev’s blessings and can we really call them mods when the freaking devs have their hands on them ?
But it’s not all about mods, limited activation per day, each update (driver,windows) etc needs reactivation, rely on their servers which didn’t worked well on RotTR day 1 and who knows about 2 years after launch, and some other limitations as well, also i hold grudges, these are the same animals who infected thousands of PC a decade ago with their brand new DRM.
Right. What happens when the Denuvo check servers go offline? What, we’re supposed to trust a shady company like that to look out for our interests as consumers?
Or, are we supposed to trust the even more untrustworthy publishers to “do the right thing”?
LOL.
Or, even worse, what if the subscription costs rumour is true, & when they stop paying, they lose access to the DRM check servers…….?
That’s why i’m going to buy games that have working cracks so i don’t have to deal with this s**t a year or more after release 😀
It will not stop all the mods but it will stop some of them. GTA V has a similar DRM like denuvo and those mods aren’t really mods, some trainers and model swapping etc..
Compare it to GTA IV’s mods with and without GFWL, with GFWL they are very limited mods if any, without GFWL (yeah cracked version) they are tons of mods and unofficial patches that change the game dramatically.
Tbf though, who wants an even more crippled GTA V experience with people being able to completely modify the game and then screw even more with other players?.
To be fair though, I hadn’t realised most of the playerbase even gave a sh*t about the online portion? O.o
Oh ppl still play it. I gave up last year when I found out that the MP side is set up to be just a pointless massive grind for cash to spruce up a place you own and a few cars. Take out said cars and get gimped by some player who manages to avoid paying insurance (sodding insurance in a video game that’s meant to be fun?).
It’s a loading simulator with terrible net code, tried it with the latest bike DLC still bad.
Lol’d.
Indeed. I’d rather have Rockstar make some single-player expansions then rest on its laurels by churning out new pair of shoes at 5$ a pop for the Online portion.
Transport Benevolent Fund ?
Well cheating is a separate issue and has nothing to do with the DRM and it’s on the publisher to prevent that.
To be fair though.
Currently there is no absolute way to stop people from cheating, but stopping the MPO from being modded in a way that also counts as cheating is a step that they have taken.
😀
I guess dedicated servers could fix that even on GTA V, and it’s a mod that fix that problem. but denuvo didn’t stop cheating to begin with, never did and never will.
I know. BUt I was referring to them blocking MP modding as being their decision to stem the tide of even more cheaters.
well they are anti cheat softwares but most of them are usless and companies are lazy. dedicated servers with proper moderators etc could help, you simply kick the cheater/bot/spammer out. if you play GTAO download dedicated server mod and no cheaters unless it’s a cheaters server 😀
I know, but like I said before, I find it better to be able to play the MP without mods as that lessens my chances of running into someone that cheats.
I’ve played on modded TF2 servers before where mods just weren’t online to kick people cheating on a modded dedicated server, just an example.
bethesda better not use denuvo on their next big thing.
Yeah, not a chance in hell it’s not happening. ZeniMax loves Denuvo right now.
Do you not know about Steam workshop or how Planet Coasters creation system works?.
The game itself needs more depth, not mods. That’s on the dev end, not ours.
Better to stave off some piracy then let it swarm you entirely. Devs/pubs want/need those week/Month 1 sales like it or not.
Also Bethesda release their games is such a trite state, as do anyone else under them. THe cause for DH2’s performance issues isn’t at all denuvo, but the devs dicking around with id tech 5, splicing parts of 6 and reworking 90% of it’s code, something that makes for a terrible, terrible idea, especially when you consider on how id tech 5 performed worse than 6 and only had a few games using 5 as a result.
Devs need to sort their games out for sure, but they can still deliver an optimized game (as they should) and still want to protect their week/month 1 sales.
“Devs/pubs want/need those week/Month 1 sales like it or not.” They don’t need sh*t. They want them – it’s completely a choice thing, & it’s a bad choice, which we shouldn’t be condoning or defending, in any way what-so-ever.
Developers & publishers used to see a game as a long-term investment. There was launch, & then there was post-launch. Now there’s just “GET AS MUCH OUT OF IT AS POSSIBLE AT THE “BOX OFFICE”, SO WE CAN GET THE F*CK GONE!”
Fortunately this practice is starting to come back around & beat them over the head, since week 0 sales are dropping for games with broken launches, but it still has to make serious waves in the way they’ve come to perceive games as limited-time “services” rather than long-lasting “products”, as they once were, & should still be.
As for VOID: They rewrote 80% of id Tech 5, it’s no longer id Tech 5, it’s a brand new engine that they didn’t have enough time &/or experience to properly finish before launch.
Developers & publishers will never “sort their games out for sure” until they stop focusing on the first 6-12 weeks of sales, & return to focusing on the entire post-launch period, as a whole. As long as they’re looking for the earliest point to drop off support & move on to the next piece of sh*t they’re working on, they’ll never care about anything more than what they can report to their shareholders in that first fiscal quarter.
I hear Intel is going to start using AMD GPU’s, think you can dig up some info on that John?
Just goes to show the endless pit of greed here. securing a game for 1 month sounds hard enough, yet Denuvo had to give a 3 month guarantee. i gave Inside developers the benefit of the doubt by thinking they were being rational by removing Denuvo after it was cracked but what the redditor said makes more sense considering how companies act these days.
3 months is the hard maximum, it’s for those game launches that happen early on into their fiscal quarter, so instead of reporting week 1 sales or some such, they report “first quarter” sales.
It’s really a case-by-case basis thing; are they reporting week 1 numbers? Quarterly numbers? What? 3 months covers everyone & everything, though they’ll probably shrink it down to 60 days if CPY keeps cracking stuff at this speed.
Good point on Inside.
Well not everyone can afford games, I buy the games I like to support developers :O
lmao
Well for me the main “DRM” with Dooms is its humongous filesize and the habbit of 7gigs patches
What is it with id Software & file compression as of RAGE? >.>
If it’s true – need a performance test before and after. Even if Denuvo hitting performance is an urban myth – this is a great way to debunk it.
that’s bs, titanfall 2, fifa 17 and many other games have denuvo and performance is fine
I wouldn’t be surprised if the costs of prolonging the Denuvo subscription (it is a service after all) are wasted as the game has sold all it could in the window it had after release, the people who are going to pirate the game will still do so, but the people who had the funds had no other choice but to buy it up until now, either way the publisher gets what it wanted here, preventing piracy when the game was at its peak popularity wise, and everyone was talking about its great SP campaign,
3 Months? That seems a tad excessive. I would’ve though they’ll only give like a month uncrackable guarantee. Isn’t the whole point of this is to protect the product from getting cracked at launch?
you may change your opinion after you see this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_protected_games
Don’t worry, they’ll downscale it to 60 days if CPY keeps cracking them at these rates.
Fast? Is that a joke? There are way more games using it coming out, than amount that gets cracked.
If CPY steps up their activities & successfully causes a sizeable portion of Denuvo’s AAA business to get refunded because they’re cracking major titles in under 90 days, you don’t think they’re going to take steps to address that by perhaps curbing the refund window?
No?
Yeah, okay.
If… I’ve been following this game long enough to have good idea on how well they are doing.
Also denuvo keeps evolving, they are not just selling same thing over and over again, they downlaod their crack, figure out how they broke protection, and do their best to make it harder.
Even 2015 games like Just Cause 3 remain uncracked.
Obviously, it’s why they haven’t cracked the entire Denuvo library yet, & its ever-evolving nature is a part of why it’s so expensive, too.
Sure, Just Cause 3 is still not cracked, so what? They’ve cracked plenty of 2016 titles. Even if they dropped working on the oldest releases, that just means they’re more focused on the newer stuff, which would make even more sense now that they know Denuvo’s refund period is 90 days.
6 of 42 games in 2016 using it so far (and still couple coming in next weeks). That’s plenty? WTF
You do remember that the (possibly) latest iteration of Denuvo, just prior to the Fall 2016 iteration was only cracked in August, right?
Also, since most of the Fall lineup only just launched recently, their 90-day periods are going to carry over into early 2017, so, I don’t know….. how about some patience before calling those 2016 numbers “finalized”?
You are just assuming things that won’t happen. Also only 2 games in entire denuvo history since 2014 did that so far.
You’ll see denuvo is here to stay and next year even more games will use it.
And you’re not assuming anything “won’t happen“? No. You’re making assumptions as well, just like I am – since we’re seemingly currently on the subject of stating the obvious, that is.
“So far” being the critical component here. Not to mention, we once again don’t have all the facts in this case. For all we know, this 90 days period thing is something Denuvo only recently added in, not something they’ve had in their contracts since the beginning.
Though that would require digging into the crack dates vs. launch dates of other games, which regardless, is an important factor either way; how many other recent AAA’s protected by Denuvo got cracked within 90 days, anyway?
Denuvo will endure for the time being, yes, but the question is, who’s going to [continue to] use it in the long-term, though? See, in 2016, an overwhelming amount of the time, I kept seeing the same names associated with Denuvo (with a few exceptions worth noting, like the Inside developers); Electronic Arts, U-Be-Soft, Square Enix, ZeniMax, Warner Bros. On the other hand, I’ve yet to see a single Activision game using it, for example, even once – ever. Curious, huh?
Electronic Arts, Ubisoft and Square Enix
DRM doesn’t increase sales one iota… If anything it decreases sales.
DRM is absolutely useless.
Mafia 3 quality control seemed to eclipse that of Dishonored 2.
Indeed. The only thing remotely entertaining about Mafia 3 was the youtube clip with a guy doing a Morgan Freeman voice while playing it.
The one few things I’m Communist on.
But trademark/copyright protection has no place in modern society.
The majority of people will always play by the rules, the 1% that doesn’t is so insignificant that it’s not worth the time and effort to lock these things down.