During this year’s GDC, Emil Persson – Head of Research at Avalanche Studios – talked about low-level shader optimization for both next-gen consoles and DX11. Most of these will sound like mumbo jumbo to you, but Emil’s presentation has been posted online and is something that will benefit some of you (provided you are game developers).
According to Emil, DX11 suffers from Interpolators have a negative impact in performance. Moreover, very branchy code tends to increase the number of registers the shader requires (resulting in decreased performance).
Emil also gave some numbers about the ROPs of PS4 and Xbox One. While talking about the low number of ROPs (how many pixels we can output per clock), Emil revealed that a Radeon HD7970 can handle a 128bit path format. Next-Gen consoles, though, seem to be limited compared to GPUs similar to the aforementioned one. PS4 can handle a 64bit path format until it hits bandwidth issues.
“As hardware has gotten increasingly more powerful over the years, some parts of it has lagged behind. The number of ROPs (i.e. how many pixels we can output per clock) remains very low. While this reflects typical use cases where the shader is reasonably long, it may limit the performance of short shaders. Unless the output format is wide, we are not even theoretically capable of using the full bandwidth available. For the HD7970 we need a 128bit format to become bandwidth bound. For the PS4 64bit would suffice.”
For Xbox One, a 64bit path format will hit its peak which may result in a number of performance issues. Developers will be able to render their games via the slower DDR3 memory but they’ll have to adopt a 32bit path format to avoid any bandwidth issues.
“On the XB1, if we are rendering to ESRAM, 64bit just about hits the crossover point between ROP and bandwidth-bound. But even if we render to the relatively slow DDR3 memory, we will still be ROP-bound if the render-target is a typical 32bit texture.”
Those interested can read Emil’s GDC presentation here.
Enjoy!
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What this basicly says is that ps4 cant run games as well as a 7970 or gtx770 not now not ever. We already knew that but “teh powa of glorious gddr5 at 176gb and teh sony so poweerfullz” was a load of trash.
Code to the metal or not, ps4 will NOT “outperfom high end pcs for years to come” as avalanche studios said.
Ps4 is around gtx660 TI /7870 and when mantle comes to pc, it will be even weaker.
Ps4 = 7850
Xb1 = 7770
i thought xb1 was 7850, anyway.
You never give up in all your asinine comments against the GLORIOUS PS4 do you, ehh?
He’s all butt hurt about something, probably a bad childhood.
He has a point! Whats yours? Talking about their childhood? LOL
Oh im sowwy aw you offended wittow baby? You obviously didn’t read what I was replying to otherwise you wouldn’t make snap judgements, therefore making a fool out of yourself. I never said anything about his points. Its about his constant ps4 trolling. Pwned, LOL
but your endless sony dck sucking is so much better eh brian?
I only suck on melons, lol. I know you cant appreciate that because you are more of a sausage guy, huh?
yeah you suck melons because you have bad eyesight and a bad posture due to all the sony dck sucking ahahahahh.
I know your father molested you and all but dont take it out on all ps4 owners.
whats that you like shoving sony products up your c3nt?
Yeah i knew that already.
No because I only own one Sony product. But you love shoving MS and PC fanbkys dcks in your rear and mouth.
only one? which is it? let me guess ps3? Yet you go crazy about a console you dont have.
Go kill yourself. What thats not civilized but talking about dcks is eh?
Nah i will kill you, give me your location.
Ps4 and own a 360
i reported you on herassing me on 3 diffirent sites, enjoy your ban dipsh!t
You can report me all you want but its proven you are a troll and you are evrywhere and that we will continue to bump heads because you comment on every article that has to do with ps4. And I will continue to pwn you.
Nothing is “proven” anywhere you dumb arsewipe.
I state my opinion as i have the freedom of speech of doing,, i DONT post on EVERY ps4 article, eg i never go to dualshockers thats a sellout site, but i go to gaminbolt and rarely on that other site, if you didnt spam me there i wouldnt even post anymore, but we already established you are a fcking r3tard.
So you have no life and you will continue to spam me? Who is the pathetic nerd with no life now eh?
Keep doing it, more reports on disquss for you then.
I cant spam you. I just looked at your previous comments and its on private. Oh I guess you cant comorehend that huh? Pwned you again.
then how can i spam you idiot?
You are also on private, but a dumb r3tard like you doesnt know what spamming is.
Tell me where you live so i can come and kill you.
Pussy
I am what I eat, lol. But where did I ever say you were spamming me? I said you were cyberbullying. Meaning you are picking on me and everyone else who owns a ps4.
kill yourself you f3cking troll
you eat sh1t therefore you ARE sht.
i pick on scum like yourself who insult pc gamers and i will kill you.
you got no life all you have is saying pc gamers have bad eyesight and back posture. Thats all you do you troll.
com on b3tch tell me where you live so i can come there and kick your ass.
“Oh my name is Dakan45 and I continually get pwned by Brian Lee and I cry myself to sleep every night because of it”. You baby.
you never pwned me once you are butthurt because you get constantly pwned and you have no life.
pussy
you are nothing but a butthurt troll going around and sucking sony’s dck , kill yourself.
you mad kiddo? you mad? Keep being mad
KeeP telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. Usually the first person to turn to expletives is the one thats mad.
kiling you will help me sleep at night.
Why dont you kill yourself so more people can sleep at night.
Hopefully you get banned for making comments like those. Get mental help.
you are going to various sites and you post “dumb as rocks mentally ill
fanboy and always wrong” to anyone who dissagrees with you” If aynone
needs to get banned is you.
Dont be mad at me that you take it from behind on a daily basis.
Taking it from behind is quite common now days, it’s actually not an insult any more. If the person is gay then yeah it’s true, you look stupid and childish.
stop stalking me
Fuck you & go away so i can sleep at night without 20 messages in my inbox from you.
Thats touching for you to care so much that you want me to end this life so I can live in a better place but then who would be here to guide you and put you in your place. Scum like you need to be pwnd on a daily basis. And now you will have 40 messages in your inbox. You need me to give you your daily beatings.
thanks for admiting you have no life and you are just a dumb virgin nerd and thanks for admiting this so now i can report you for cyberbullying, enjoy prison.
I never said I didnt have a life. I thought nerds were supposed to be smart. So you are a dumb nerd. I was making fun of you and interpreting how you see the world but yiur comprehension is that of a fourth grader. And the only one cyberbullying is you. You have told me to kill myself about 5 or 6 times now?
You dont have a life you are a dumb f@ggot with no life and a scum, i will keep telling you to kill youreslf until you leave me alone.
Go kill yourself kid and stop stalking me.
These mentally ill, dumb as rocks microsoft fanboys are a pestilence.
What do you expect when you are left out from playing great exvlusives like infamous and have to wait ten years to play gta 5, lol. They are stuck playing Wow and minecraft for the millionth time as the PC exclusives suck so bad that most games sell in the hundreds. Oh and for the real big losers like Dakan45, he plays sims because he wish he had a life.
At least we PC users don’t need to wait for exclusives because we have nothing else to play. I have over 80 games to play in my Steam library, what you got on your PS4, a hand full you had to pay £48 for? LoL
Oh is that what you do? Tell people you have 80 games, but you probably play like two of them (Wow and minecraft). I didnt know solitaire and tetris constitute as real games.
Also nice of you to make assumptions as I only have a ps4, eh? And how is it I’m playing dark souls 2?
Not really a Dark Souls player but did buy one cheap and it’s 1080p/60fps. BTW Dark Souls 2 coming out on the PC end of April, will be superior than your crap box 3 version.
Really, You think you can demean me by saying I play those games? I though you console gamers were all about gameplay yet you can pick and choose what games on the PC platform you think are bad. BTW, you picked two extremely successful games on the PC, without successful games on consoles it would be a toaster.
Its still sloppy seconds. Yes I can demean you because you are a jerk. And thise are the only two games that you PC players have to play that you really enjoy. Ahoudnt expect much from a pimple faced butthurt PC nerd like you. Two things you are good at Wow and playing with your joystick.
You mean you wish you had WoW on your console is more like it, LoL. Speaking of “sloppy seconds” Minecraft came out first on the PC you moron and sold more copes that your console exclusives.
No, I really don’t want Wow. And I thought we were talking about games that are actually worth playing. Mincraft is for kids. My four year old nephew loves playing minecraft. So no its not sloppy seconds. You play it because thats all you have thats worth playing. Everything else is garbage. But keep being jealous that you have to wait for GTA5 and Dark souls2.
Waiting is fine because it will always be better than the console version.
They’re not really “PC master race” gamers, they’re just asshurt Microsoft Xbox fanboys hiding behind PCs that can’t stand PS4’s hardware and sales dominance.
am sorry is that butthurt i sense inside you? No i wont i will be there to crash you sonyf@gs, il keep pwn you and you will keep crying.
I sense a peeniz inside you as you bend over for MS fanboys all the time.
Kill yourself sony f@ggot
Hopefully you get banned for making comments like those. Get mental help.a
you are going to various sites and you post “dumb as rocks mentally ill
fanboy and always wrong” to anyone who dissagrees with you” If aynone
needs to get banned is you.
no, PS4 is at best 7850, even 7850 can take it at it’s current state, without mantel or DX12
Well no. According to the technical breakdowns, the PS4 GPU is closer to a 7870 than a 7850 in terms of specs. Lower-level optimizations push it closer to a 7950. But this is without the 7950 using Mantle of course.
I prefer to look at facts :
PS4 GPU – 1.84 TFLOPS, 72 Texture Units, 1154 Stream Processors
7870 – 2.56 TFLOPS, 80 Texture Units, 1280 Stream Processors
7850 – 1.76 TFLOPS, 64 Texture Units, 1024 Stream Processors
So, PS4 isnt exactly 7850 or 7870, it’s none of that cards, because it sitts in the middle, and no technical breakdown will change these facts.
Crysis 1 fullHD + MSAA
7850 – 33 fps
7870 – 39 fps
PS4 – should be around 36,5 fps
580 GTX – 38.5 fps
680 GTX – 55 fps
770 GTX – 62 fps
In ps4 games like assassin and battlefield 4, when I set game settings to match PS4 details and resolution, my 770GTX OC give almost 2x fps compared to ps4 fps (assassin 55-60 fps, battlefield 4 110-130 fps). They bassicaly sell very old GPU in new console, because even 4’y old 480GTX deliver similar performance if you look at FPS. There’s no comparision to 770GTX, 7970HD, not to mention 780GTX, 290xHD.
If you look at ps4 price, it’s obvious why they put slow GPU. PS4 is much cheaper compared to PS3.
And BTW. people like to say, that 7970 was to expensive for console, because it costs $350. But here’s the thing, sony buy JUST GPU chip, so there’s no additional PCB costs, memory etc. and most importantly theres no BROKERS price in it. 7970 GPU should be worth around 90$, and because sony need milions of these GPU’s, AMD will probably give them huge discount, so lets say 80$ for this GPU.
Some time age there was ps4 hardware components costs, and GPU+CPU price was very low.
And also do not forget the fact-every GPU 7850,7870 can clock easy 1100MHz , Nvidia 1150-1200Mhz..
Speaking of infamous:second son….
http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/03/13/infamous-second-sons-retail-version-shows-radical-differences-compared-to-e3-2013-trailer/
It’s a 7870, but there’s 2 dead Computing Units.
The same goes for the X1, it also has 2 dead units.
You’re correct. Strictly speaking, the PS4 GPU does sit somewhere in between the 7850 and 7870. But considering optimizations and minimal API overhead, it would most certainly exceed the 7870 (minus Mantle). And I can agree with the pricing. The PS4 is great for those who are after value for money over raw performance.
It sits a lot closer to 7850, not exactly in the middle. 5% difference from 7850, but 40% difference from 7870.
Hmm, how are you calculating the percentage? Also, have you factored in the console-specific optimizations as well?
PS4 is value for money if you don’t buy any games, go online or buy peripherals. Sony start draining you of money after you buy the thing. Not sure how you can call a 408GB 5400RPM HDD, 6x Blu-ray value for money either, the fact that PS4 users are swapping out HDD’s for bigger ones proves it or being silly and using SSD’s.
By value for money I’m referring simply to the base hardware configuration without additional peripherals. You cannot build a similarly powerful gaming PC for the same price because console hardware is always subsidized (one reason why they are so popular). I’m not taking into consideration other factors like game prices etc. in which case the PC would be cheaper in the long term.
Well, 7850 + a mere 5% = PS4 GPU. 1.76 + 5% = 1.84. PS4 + 40% = 7870… nope, PS4 is only 4-5% apart from 7850 and a whopping 40% apart from 7870. It makes much more sense to compare it to a 7850 with a small clock boost.
I disagree. At 800 MHz GPU clock and 1152 shaders, the PS4 GPU probably performs similar to a 1024 shader 860 MHz (stock, but can overclock) 7850. Actually, if you look at some Battlefield 4 performance videos, a 7850 with a decent CPU will outdo what the PS4 is doing.
In the short term, perhaps. But let’s not forget the PS4 GPU is there for the long haul. It’s hard to compare them right now because the games haven’t taken full advantage of the PS4 yet. In a couple of years, the 7850 will likely struggle to maintain playable fps in true next-gen games, whereas the PS4 GPU will probably scrape through because of the optimization.
Sorry, but Dakan45 is right. The PS4 GPU is analogous to the 7870, not 7850.
That’s just the single gpu
This doesn’t include the hidden second gpu that will be unlocked in 2017 when the NDA expires with AMD.
Then Microsoft can release the unlocking keys too developer’s.
un-release the hidden 3.8TF of professional DX12 gaming
pffff
And a 7970 costs $350 USD, $50 less than a PS4. Of course we know you’re waving PCs around to distract from the overpriced, underpowered piece of plastic you’re attached to.
PS4 has architectural advantages over PC that allow it to perform above its GPU class, for far less than the cost of a high end PC. Apparently you’re too stupid to figure this out.
PS4’s GPU doesn’t have the same bandwidth and ROP needs as a high end PC card as it’s not 4+ TF. Xbox One might be able to get away with 16 ROPs and lower avg. bandwidth in most cases with its weaker GPU, although the small 32MB ESRAM provides another potential size bottleneck.
I suppose you didn’t read the actual presentation PDF where they talk about offloading some shader work onto compute shaders to save on bandwidth/ROP usage, right? No, you’re just a dumb as bricks fanboy.
lol
Oh look another dumb as bricks fanboy.
no, seriously, what do you want here ? fanboy or not, you are a Fony fanboy trolling on a pc site, i have every rights to say what i want about pc and anything in here, but your not. kill youself, and die painfully you under age moron.
LOL mentally ill, deranged, dumb as bricks fanboy having a meltdown over facts. I’m sorry if facts and technical knowledge upsets you. It’s very obvious you’re Microsoft fanboys in denial clinging to expensive PCs to distract from the weaker, more expensive console.
Facts?? LOL, the guy who believes 1.84 GFLOPS is equal to a 7970. So fucking fun!!!
Never said that, mentally ill autistic fanboy. You are wrong and constructing delusional strawmen.
lol, anyone in here is mentally ill and a fanboy ? die you little $h$it. go $uck $ony’s D some where else
Go be constantly wrong and dumb as a brick somewhere else.
yo, kid. Get the F out of here, you don’t belong in here
Dumb as rocks, mentally ill, delusional, constantly WRONG, worthless Microsoft fanboy imbecile.
everyone is a mentally ill delusional fanboy and always wrong because xtreme derpo says so,.
Dumb as rocks, mentally ill, delusional, constantly WRONG, worthless Microsoft fanboy imbecile.a
dumb as rocks mentall ill r3tard fanboy delusional and always wrong sony f@ggot and a complete dck sucker
Hopefully you get banned for making comments like those. Get mental help.a
you are going to various sites and you post “dumb as rocks mentally illf
fanboy and always wrong” to anyone who dissagrees with you” If aynone
needs to get banned is you..
whats his problem ? really ? :)))
i dont know he is a troll goes around and dosts that crap, spam him a bit and attack brian lee on this thread.
i never commented on a console site, hell i’m not even visiting them, but here, a Fing pc site field with consoletards
yeah i mean wtf happened
You mad?
says the guy who upvoted that charlie idiot flaming me.
Trolling much?
fact ? did you just called your $h$its a fact ? lol
Fanboy ? why ? this is a pc gamin site, i am a pc gamer, lol, of course i’m a fan of pc, this is 100% normal you idiot, we call people like you fanboys becuase you came here and start the none senese. go back to your $hi$ty dualshockers/n4g/vg247 and kiss $ony’s Azz over there. stupid F
MS fanboy ? no, PC fanboy ? yes, you little moron, why should i be MS fanboy ? i hate that X1 $hi$ty console and i hate that Fony$tation 4 too.
Cool worthless sh*tpost, imbecile.
die moron
Dumb as rocks, mentally ill, delusional, constantly WRONG, worthless Microsoft fanboy imbecile.
you talking to your sister or mom ? choose wisly
mentally iff stupid delusional fanboy and always wrong
Hopefully you get banned for making comments like those. Get mental help.
don’t give a F if i get banned, i’m happy with your mom
Constantly WRONG dumb, delusional, evil, malicious, disgusting and hateful Microsoft fanboy. You are monstrous, demented, and worthless, lying over and over. Disgusting horrifying monstrous evil worthless sack of rotten garbage. You Microsoft fanboys must eat crow for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, or live in constant delusion and denial to be so WRONG over and over and over again.
Dumb, wrong, delusional as usual
Yeah, notice all this symantic talk doesn’t bore out in games. PS4 900p in BF4, £120 PC GPU matches that toaster.
Well, that workaround in the presentation only works on some cases:
” This solution obviously does not apply to all sorts of rendering, for
one we are skipping the entire graphics pipeline as well on which we still depend for most normal rendering. However, in the cases where it applies it can certainly result in a substantial performance increase. Cases where we are initializing textures to something else than a constant color, simple post effects, this would be useful.”
The thing is, next mainstream video cards on lower building process will bring 7970 performance down to mainstream. That means, while the producers learn to use more of the fixed hardware from the consoles, even the cheapest GPUs will outperform their brothers from the “next gen” consoles even with all the optimizations done that true Mantle, OpenGL or DX12 will come to PC as well.
He doesn’t read anything, its better for him to just stay uneducated so he can continue to endlessly troll Sony all while having no clue what he’s talking about, as they say ignorance is bliss, he’s the ultimate deluded fan boy, a moron, a hypocrite, and a liar.
F off
says some stupid bufoon which has absolutly nothing else to do than dck sucking sony, ignorance is bliss on the delududed sony trolls, you mad you dumbfck you mad? Get madder kiddo, because you deserve to be punched in the face for your stupidity.
Get on meds, seriously, you’re mentally disturbed. And also incredibly stupid.
ahahah you mad b3tch? you mad? Clueless and mentally ill as always, kill yourself kiddo.
Hopefully you get banned for making comments like those. Get mental help.
you are going to various sites and you post “dumb as rocks mentally illf fanboy and always wrong” to anyone who dissagrees with you” If aynone needs to get banned is you.
I think all this news from some PC gamers about the PS4s GPU is a waste of time.
Example = Look at some of the games on PS3 ( with very limited hardware like a 256MB GPU and 256MB system RAM )
One thing you’ll notice is that developers can really take advantage of basic hardware ( knowing it will not change and be the same throughout the consoles life ) while some of the games on PS3 like ( Killzone 2 ) wasn’t even thought possible on such low hardware ( let alone Killzone 3 / Uncharted 3 / ect )
So all this talk about PS4 not being able to run games as well as a 7970 on PC doesn’t mean anything really. I mean why does the console need to run games as good as PC to enjoy them?
Some PC elitists laugh at PS4 for not being able to play games with maxed out settings while running at 1080p while holding a solid 60 fps frame-rate? ( well guess what not ALL PCs can do that either ) so why should consoles be expected to do so?
When I play Metro Last Light maxed out at 1080p my 7990 GPU still drops frame-rates and cannot hold a solid 60FPS, I have to lower settings and turn features off to keep a solid frame-rate.
In my opinion PS4 is doing fine with games’ Just look at Infamous Second Son, that looks really good but there are also poor games on PS4 due to( being poorly optimized ) THIEF is a good example. Yet there’s bad games on PC too?
Well you can’t magic performance out of those old consoles from no where, they run at 720p and lower on low settings sub 30fps, same as an old PC would. Quite a few games still have DX9 support and minimum specs of a 8800GT like Titanfall and BF4.
But the thing you’re missing is this,, the games still look good on a TV ( unscaled or native ) and that is all what counts
It does on PC too, in fact the 8800 in BF4 looks better than the old consoles.
But most people don’t buy a console for comparing it to PC games, so yet again what you just stated is irrelevant to gaming on consoles?
People like myself with buy multi-plats on PC and exclusives on consoles, and sometimes buy two copies of a game ( BF4 IMO is better on PS4 as I have 6 mates online all the time ) while PC I have two.
What you in this conversation for then?
Why not. I own PC and consoles, and like this thread.?
The 8800GT is way better than the GPU in the old consoles though. I can speak from experience. You should be comparing the 7800GT to the previous consoles not the 8800GT. That is a more fair comparison.
it proves the whole “console optimization” point and “upgrade every year” to be irrelevant. Console fanboys actually believe that its some kinda wonder that old consoles run games so well when in reallity they just run them at inferior settings.
A 7800GT won’t be able to run modern games at the same level like the old consoles though. Optimization isn’t magical but it IS there and if you are gonna say otherwise, you are going against one of the foundations of console development. A closed platform is ALWAYS easier to optimize for than an open platform.
“A 7800GT won’t be able to run modern games at the same level like the old consoles though.”
What level is that? lower than the lowest avaialbale setting on pc?
Sorry optimization is a myth, type in youtube : “myth of console optimization” and watch the video.
The only thinkg preventing those games from running is devs using the latest dx versions and having to optimize for multiple hardware.
Thats all,
Yep I watched those videos. It’s flawed though because many of the games used (in the 7800GTX videos) are games which aren’t that graphically demanding and some looked very laggy like MW3. Most of those games aren’t also so new. As for the 8800GT videos, well that card is WAY better than the 7800GT/GTX so it’s not a fair comparison. I do agree that PC gamers don’t need to spend so much money on upgrades though. The 8800GT, even though it’s substantially better than the PS3/X360’s GPU, still plays games better to this day.
the 8800GT isnt way better, its significat but not way better.
Anyway we cant go outhere and check every game on every hardware old and new in order to make a point.
Just keep in mind that games on x360 are often sub 720p, upscaled and usually go under 30 fps and the most graphically impressive ones run under low pc setting or worse.
Its no diffirent now, ps4/xbo run games at inferior resolutions and inferior graphics and even when they say they are 60 fps they dont run at 60 fps but around 50 and dipping to 45 fps.
So consoles dont offer particually good and SURE perfomance either.
“the 8800GT isnt way better, its significat but not way better.”
What?! You do know the 8800GT the 8800GT is more than twice as powerful than the 7800GT right? It beats sli’d 7800GTs as well.
twice? I doubt it Since 9800GT was just a rebrand and that continued till now.
Yes it is more than twice as powerful. Don’t know why you brought up the 9800GT.
so its not a rebrand like the 9800gt?
9800GT is a rebrand of the 8800GT. 8800GT isn’t a rebrand of the 7800GT.
Im sorry but a guy here bought a PS3 to play SSFIV and then we used a 720 LCD tv I use as a second monitor here on my PC to play some matches. I have the same game on PC too, but on PS3 it looks AWFUL. I dont know if console gamers play to far away from their TVS, or maybe Im just cant see what console gamers can see.
And people still play on old consoles, because in those times companies only talked about how to have fun with nice games, now they are so blatant talking about graphics. When graphics become so important to console companies? PSONE has some of the most fun games in history, now PS4 will have a lot of GOW and COD clones, just because of the “graphics”!!
you comparing the cell architecture, a systme that the ps3 cpu is more powerfull than the ps4 cpu with a pc?
REALLY?
Ps4 IS like a pc, ps3 is nothing like it. Most idiots including you thought that ps4 will use all that 8gb for games, well it doesnt, now please can you stop this nonsense?
“Some PC elitists laugh at PS4 for not being able to play games with
maxed out settings while running at 1080p while holding a solid 60 fps
frame-rate?”
Try 30 fps wiht inferior than pc settings. Or better yet sub 1080p on xbone.
Face it next gen is weak, they are using laptop apu PC architecture.
Get it? they are FOLLOWING pc hardawre they are not leaders,
consoles are behind pc, just deal with it already so we can move on.
“In my opinion PS4 is doing fine with games’ Just look at Infamous Second Son, that looks really good”
at 30 fps with no dynamic shadows and the order has sub 1080p res and its cripted as hell. This is nothing new, its the same reason ubisoft made a linear far cry for xbox because the pc version couldnt be done, same reason that games were so scripted in this gen, so ps3 can run them with its low ram by reycling maps.
See what I mean comparing a console to PC games by using a high end PC game setting as the main focus. Why do that, only stupid people would do that and expect the PS4 to look and play a game anything like it. A console is NOT to be compared to a real gaming rig as that’s like comparing a Mini to a BMW, ( but both get you from A to B )? Hence why I stated “I mean why does the console need to run games as good as PC to enjoy them?”
As for Infamous it’s a good game IMO and looks good IMO, and looks better than a lot of PC games.
Some PC elitists laugh at PS4 for not being able to play games with maxed out settings while running at 1080p while holding a solid 60 fps frame-rate? ( well guess what not ALL PCs can do that either ) so why should consoles be expected to do so?
750 ti 149$ card runs bf4 better than ps4, as tech gets better this will be more common in the future, nuff said.
I am not the one who tries to say that ps4 can surpass a decent pc, its sony dck licking fanboys who think that.
“well guess what not ALL PCs can do that either”
Here the thing, we may not be able to do it at crysis 3, but 30 fps games on consoles? like say dmc, bordelrands 2, mass effect, we can do it.
Hell we can do it on bf4. Consoles are limiting you on that regard, eg lego marvel on ps4 is still 30 fps. Why?
GTX750Ti surpassed XB1 and slightly ahead of PS4 in BF4, that’s a budget GPU. It also performs on par in other games. GTX 750 Ti is £120, GTX 660 is £130.
That 750 Ti GPU was also using a i7-3770K overclocked to 4.3GHz, and 16GB of system RAM ( up against a PS4 / Xbone ) what did you expect.
Graphics cards don’t decide how good graphics are, they decide how fast
you can render graphics. Graphical quality depends on the art
departments of game developers. The limiting factor is performance, here is an EXAMPLE =
( COD Ghosts ) even a GTX Titan
can’t run this game at a locked 1080p at 60fps at max settings, it’s clear
that optimisation is a real issue” ( and developers are just stating with the consoles )?
That was just a benchmark, to see what the card can do, it can keep the same frame-rate with a AMD FX6300. Again you don’t need a monster CPU to make that 750 run flat out. 16GB of RAM is irrelevant, no perfomance gains at all with 16GB of RAM, 8GB is optimial.
Yet to compare a benchmark from a PC to PS4 is irrelevant as the hardware might not come into factors ( as pointed out by COD-Ghosts optimization being an issue and not hardware )
A FX6300 and GTX750Ti can perform on par with PS4 in real world game frame-rates, semantic benchmarks are to be taken with a pinch of salt and so are spec numbers, theoretical numbers.
But even when those GPUs can perform on par with PS4 what does that mean.. Nothing? Example = I’m using a 7990 in my PC but I still can’t play Infamous second son on PC can I. So even though my GPU is much much better than PS4 it is still irrelevant as the hardware might not come into certain factors of gaming.
You don’t even know that because Infamous SS is a PS4 game only. LOL
Exactly why I stated “IF you want best of both worlds own PC and console/s because no matter how high your hardware is in PC you cannot play console exclusives ( even when console hardware is lesser than PC)”
Silly logic, Infamous SS doesn’t look all that good, they cut it down from E3 anyway and it runs at 30-40fps.
Your opinion and that’s fine, but what I stated is really the case?
“comparing PC GPUs to PS4 doesn’t mean anything. IF you want best of both worlds own PC and console/s because no matter how high your hardware is in PC you cannot play console exclusives ( even when console hardware is lesser than PC )
On the game yes but it was cut down and to me it doesn’t look that good anyway, looks flat, cartoonish, personally I think AC4 Black Flag looks better and that’s a lot more dynamic.
Opinions differ and that is your opinion on the games.
It’s a fact that Black Flag is more dynamic in it’s realtime effects.
” to me it doesn’t look that good anyway” = opinion?
Yes it is, I never said it wasn’t but fact is that Black Flag is a lot more dynamic.
And yet that has nothing to do with the original posting. I can’t stand AC ( yes i have some here still ) and played the new one, but IMO Infamous not only looked better, but gave me more fun out the two games.
It has everything to do with the original post, Infamous SS had it’s dynamic shadows removed from the retail version, it’s much less dynamic than Black Flag, it all ties in with hardware and what it can do.
So what?
infamous doesn’t look good, specially on the technical level, it’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. no dynamic shadows, no day&night cycle, low quality textures, smallest city in the world, reused animations, and on and on
what ? a powerfull pc can’t run another platform’s game ? what does it mean ?
ok, a weak laptop can handel shogun 2 total war, and a powerfull, uber powerfull, mega 5gb GDDR5 ps4 can’t run it. so is this mean that weak laptop is stronger than ps4 ? or what ?
“IF you want best of both worlds own PC and console”
i want the best, but sorry i can’t find any on consoles, i and i’m sure lots of people in here don’t even want does best console games. no matter how good you say the console exclusives are, i’m not into them.
REAL WORLD BENCHMARKS infamous is not a real world benchmark if you want to argue imaginery framerates and theoretical perfomance advantages, then you are one of the idiots that believe the myth of console optimization when in reallity they just run games at inferior setting sand less fps.
Inferior settings, yes. But console optimization is not a myth. I remember having this discussion with you before using that Dead Space example you had provided.
Actually dead space 2 was more or less the same.
No it wasn’t. You might’ve forgotten, but I showed you from the video description that it was running at 1366*768 resolution on the PC, unlike upscaled 1080p on the PS3.
dead space 2 is 720p on consoles so please stop the nonsense.
Except DS2 was running on 720p on the PC in that previous example. That’s what I’m saying. You can upscale the resolution on the PS3, not on Xbox 360 though. And please, think properly before claiming something is nonsense.
upscale? You mean how dark souls can be upscaled on pc but still runs on 720p?
Think before posting nonsense.
You do know what upscaling is, right? Think before you try and make me feel like insulting you.
Are you serious? Upscaling a 720p game doesnt make it 1080p, now please stop trolling.
Did I ever mention upscaling a 720p game makes it 1080p anywhere? I said the PS3 version ran DS2 at upscaled 1080p whereas the PC version ran it at 720p native. Then I asked you if you understand what upscaling means? You haven’t answered yet. So is that trolling?
It runs at the same resolution upscale only stretches the screen, the graphics are the same.
Upscaling does not mean just “stretching” the screen. That would make the picture extremely pixelated. The upscaling process uses the method of interpolation to draw extra pixels depend on the actual image size. What that basically means is that you get a slightly better image compared to 720p native, but not as sharp and detailed as native 1080p. So effectively speaking, upscaled 1080p would still look a little better than native 720p. Hence, in the DS2 example, the PS3 would provide better graphics compared to the native 720p version running on a PC with the minimum specs.
Furthermore, if you want another example, consider Crysis 2. The PS3 version is comparable to low settings at 720p on the PC with DX9. Now the PS3 GPU is comparable to a 7800GTX. But if you tried running Crysis 2 on computer with a 7800GTX, it would be impossible to hit 30fps at 720p. And here’s proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klgVCk178OI
Did you notice that I mentioned “upscaled”? Please read through the comments properly before claiming what I said is nonsense.
upscaled is not native, we dont talk about upscale. So yeah it is nonsense.
Dumb as a brick and wrong.
mentally ill fanboy and delusional as usual. Keep shoving sony products up your butt
To some PCs the PS4 will play games better, while many PCs will allow for better settings and play games much better, but I’ll stand by what I stated “IF you want best of both worlds own PC and console/s because no matter how high your hardware is in PC you cannot play console exclusives”
those pcs are getting upgraded every day. At some point everyone will surpass ps4. Pc hardware and tech is so far ahead and ps4 and xbo are supsigingly weak.
We dont need consoles exlusives pc has more exlusives and well rated. Dont make post that pic with the metacritic listings. besides right now ps4 has nothing, nor does xbone.
^^THIS
Video cards have advanced much faster than the 3D software engines that are running on them. Today’s cheap mainstream and budget cards have a ton of power that, on average, isn’t utilized and may never be if future games include feature sets not supported by these cards. Its an unfortunate truth.
“so games will get better as time goes by?”
That applies to pc as well though EVEN on optimization.
That’s 100% correct.
You can’t build a Windows PC for $400 USD that beats a PS4. End of story.
Maybe not but you can build a better one for a bit more and do more things, play all old games and have a much, much bigger game library to choose from, faster game loading, cheaper games.
You say $400 but some of that cost is for laptop parts that no one would even use in a budget PC and PC part costs go up and down.
LOL. YOu can scream it whatever you want. You said a PS4 is running a gpu equal a 7970, you cant be more wrong.
No but you can upgarde for 400$ if you are not a pc gamer then why the fck would you want to switch now?
Even this Sony-Derp guy is forgetting that consoles are running games with lower res and lower texture quality than PC version. I dont know where he takes from that PS4 is running with a 7970 when is at best a Radeon 7870 which cost between 200-225 dollars.
As other commenter posted above
PS4 GPU – 1.84 TFLOPS, 72 Texture Units, 1154 Stream Processors
7870 – 2.56 TFLOPS, 80 Texture Units, 1280 Stream Processors
7850 – 1.76 TFLOPS, 64 Texture Units, 1024 Stream Processors
So PS4 isnt even a 7870.
You can get a GPU that runs at 1.84 TFLOPS at 125-150 dollars.
Yup
“Of course we know you’re waving expensive PCs around to distract from
the overpriced, underpowered piece of plastic you’re attached to.”
Only we dont, we use our old pcs that GUESS WHAT? Play next gen games and unlike you we dont rush to buy a console with NO GAMES.
You talk about expensiveness but a pc gamer already has a gaming pc.
Which means that when you have to pay for online and swtich your ps3 to ps4 to play old games.
We only have to pay 400$ for an upgrade and we can play next gen games better than the ps4.
So your point is pretty much irrrelevant.
“PS4’s GPU doesn’t have the same bandwidth and ROP needs as a high end PC card”
Yes high end gpus have higher bandwith. Pathethic really.
“I suppose you didn’t read the actual presentation PDF where they talk
about offloading some shader work onto compute shaders to save on
bandwidth/ROP usage, right?”
No, i didnt need to laugh my ass off at the guy who said that it will beat most pcs and he proved himself wrong.
i swear those idiots talk out or their arses and or get payed to hype sony and ms and when they get the actual hardawre….. they state the truth.
What does it say about the X1 vs the PS4 though. The numbers look awfully similar.
what you are asking?
I actually didn’t like what Linus Blomberg said about the PCs but you must look closely at what he said. He said the PS4 was outperform MOST PCs for years to come. He never said high-end. Most PCs could easily refer to cheap low end dual core PCs or even non-gaming PCs as well.
Also, the PS4 GPU is between a 7850 and 7870 but once it’s optimized, could probably reach performance close to the 7950. That’s why for PC, it’s best for you to build yourself a system with overhead to brute force your way through those optimizations the consoles receive.
“He said the PS4 was outperform MOST PCs for years to come”
By looking at STEAM Stats PS4 can outperform most PCs ( for gaming needs ) as they are not all high end rigs. But If a gamer wants PC games as well as console games they need both to enjoy which each hardware offers.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc
“”Also, the PS4 GPU is between a 7850 and 7870 but once it’s optimized, could probably reach performance close to the 7950″”
How you could optimize GPU on consoles? Things like low level api (mantle) helps only with CPU limitted situations, just look at mantle tests (because it cant add more texture units, shader processors etc). Just look at battlefield 4 or assassin tests on PC, you dont need much much better PC to run PS4 details. On 770GTX OC with PS4 details, I have 2x fps compared to PS4 in these games
Yes of course you run PS4 details now with a GPU like a 650 Ti Boost or 7850 or so but my point is that it’s an undeniable fact that consoles receive more optimization than PCs. DX12 or Mantle might lessen that optimization gap though. Also your 770 is almost TWICE as powerful than the PS4’s gpu. It’s not a GPU that’s slightly better than the PS4’s GPU.
The point is that such devs were to optimistic and it’s a clear that a console would perform better than an exactly the same spec PC, but that’s never going to happen with custom made consoles hardware.
I doubt that a PC with similar specs to a console would always have equal performance even if it’s made from custom hardware. Regardless if it’s X86 or not, a closed platform will always be easier to optimize for.
Agreed
Of course but PC is about progression and choice, not locked into one set of hardware for 10 years, it’s not a toaster.
Yep that is true.
never forget the CPU, CPU in consoles is $h$it at it best. and optimizations ? you mean turning down or off some graphical features ? like tomb raider DE and no tessellation ? anybody can optimize any game on their PCs
I will agree that those CPUs in the new consoles are TERRIBLE. I disagree about your views on console optimization though. No matter what, a closed platform will ALWAYS be easier to optimize for than an open platform. That is an indisputable fact. Take Crysis 3 for instance. Do you think a 7800GT (GPU similar to the one in the PS3) can run the game? Yes it is DX11 only but if it wasn’t, the game still wouldn’t run on that GPU. That is why optimizations do exist in consoles. I don’t think it’s magical, not by a longshot but it is inevitably there.
Yes but what he’s saying is that consoles cut features because of frame-rate targets. Crysis 3 is a different beast, it was made DX11 only because Crytek didn’t want the DX legacy overhead, so they can push Crysis 3 much more with just a DX11 render path.
As for your comment about a 7800GT running Crysis 3 if it was optimised for it, well, who knows but be under no illusion that the PS3 version is pretty poor anyway, they had to cut some serious corners with it, just like GTA V.
Honestly, Crysis 3 being able to run at all on the consoles is probably due to the optimization. Yes it’s running at way lower settings than the PC version but I doubt the game would run on a 7800GT.
It could if crytek didnt shove a dx11 requirment in there.
Doubt it. Even if there wasn’t a DX11 requirement, it wouldn’t be able to run.
It would, 720p 28 fps just like consoles.
A GT630 can barely get a solid 30fps at 720p with LOW settings and that GPU is considerably stronger than a 7800GT. Not to mention that the previous consoles only had 512mb of ram. It wouldn’t run it man. Maybe at 640X480 or 800X600. MAYBE.
Its not considerably stronger. Its a non gaming videocard.
Previous consoles were not pcs, The ps3 cpu alone is more powerfull than the ps4 cpu and was originally gonna do all the rendering.
Nope the 630 is a non-gaming card compared to today’s standards but it is considerably stronger than a 7800GT. About twice as fast.
Apparently crysis 3 is 1152×720 and 1042×720 on ps3 under 30 fps most of the time.
Ps3 is more powerfull than the x360, but the “console optimizaton” doesnt do wonders compared to x360.
Ps3 cpu is very powerfull and does most of the work yet x360 comes on top?
i guess optimization is very sketchy even on consoles.
It’s still probably due to that crappy Cell architecture. And yes the game’s frame rate is so bad on consoles. That is why I think the fact that it even runs on the old consoles is due to optimization. I remember Crytek saying that Crysis 3 used all the power of the consoles and not even 1% was left.
i keep hearing that trash, they said that with killzone 2, they said it again with uncahrted 3, anyway its bullcrap since ps3 is more powerfull than x360 and yet x360 is running the game better.
SO MUCH FOR THE POWER OF CONSOLE OPTIMIZATION.
SEE? You are coming to my view, if ps3 is more powerfull then how they used all the power of the consoles and yet the x360 looks better?
Case and point the “console optimization” is a hype lie and while yes the games are more optimized since its ONE SYSTEM, they still dont perfom particulary well and they are still pretty unoptimized and not using everything perfectly as console fanboys think….at which case, might as well stop being cheap and spend some money on pc upgrades… thats my way of thinking.
I am not coming to your view, not at all. It’s not trash. Many devs struggled to optimize the Cell architecture because of how foreign it was. That is a fact. Also I’ve never heard Naughty Dog complain about the Cell in fact, they praised it quite a bit. Also, games that really make use of the Cell such as God Of War Ascension shows how powerful the system is relative to the 360. It’s not that optimization is a myth. It was just easier to optimize for the 360.
“I’ve never heard Naughty Dog complain about the Cell in fact, they praised it quite a bit.”
When valve downright hated it.
Sorry i will never agree wth naughty dog and sony, they are both lying c3nts for all i care, no diffirent than the order devs saying “hardly knew ya oculus” when morpheus came out, sony are damage controling and giving bribes when it comes to the reputation of their system.
How is Naughty Dog lying “c3nts”? I want to know what makes you think that. Sony, well that is debatable, they have been hyping up the PS4 more than what it is so I’ll give you that. It’s not just valve that hated it. Almost EVERY developer hated it. Valve was just speaking out instead of being quiet about it.
Well for startes their E3 demos dont represnet the actual game, there are google images not to mention they marketed the last of us as having amazing ai and the ai in the release was complete garbage but hey sony drones will eat up everything.
That doesn’t just apply to Naughty Dog though.
no but naughty dog is praised by everyone like the saviors of gaming even before last of us.
Nah they aren’t praised by everyone just by sony ponies.
excellent point.
If I had to compare Xbots, Nintendrones and Sony Ponies, I’d have to say that the Sony Ponies are by far the worst of the bunch and most of all, hypocritical.
exactly my point, time mighty morphin sony ponies in youtube. Thats why i hate them.
x360 has triggers, pff it sucks now ps4 has triggers its awesome.
psn was free so they rubbed to xbox players now its not free and they damage control.
They said its not about the quantity of exlusives but quality.
Not its about quantity
They said pc indies suck, now they got them on ps4 they all playing them
What a bunch of hypocrites
Now that is something we can agree on. They really believe that Sony is this perfect company that are incapable of making mistakes.
exactly as you said it, perfect company incapble of making mistakes.
DX9, sub 720p , sub 30fps with lowest settings, no multitasking (no such thing on pc, so a little bit more power for that), i bet 7800gt can run it better than last-gen consoles.
i bet that too. lol many game are sub 720p on consoles Even the ones who say are 720p because they are UNDER 1280x720p
There might be a chance if they optimised the game for a 7800GT and DX9 only using NVIDIA render paths.
But then what would be the point? If they are gonna optimize the game for one gpu then it’s the same as developing for a console.
Well you wondered if it could be done, I’m just telling you how it could be.
You know what I meant man. It obviously would run if they optimized it for a specific GPU but realistically that won’t happen with PC gaming because they wouldn’t have the time to optimize for every piece of hardware.
For sure but then again no one would play Crysis 3 now on a 7800GT.
Yes, realistically no PC gamer at this time would be using a 7800GT but nevertheless, my point was just that consoles receive better optimization than PCs.
Spec for spec yes they do, consoles have an advantage in regard to that but because the PC progresses so much it’s negated.
That is true. It shows though that a person building them now a budget PC will have to spend money on an upgrade in the future which console gamers don’t need to do. Look at the 750 Ti. It’s comparable to the PS4 but would it last 4-5 years? But then again, by that time, you can buy a new $150 GPU that will destroy the PS4 so I guess in that sense it is negated. Was that what you meant?
It all depends what settings you want to play at in the end.
True. My point about optimization still stands but I agree with what you are saying.
i guess they can add DX9 to crysis 3, and a new lower settings to it, and i guess it still be playble on a 7800gt even with better performance than consoles or maybe better resolution or the same.
A new lower settings would just make it equivalent to the consoles and no the 7800GT will NOT get better performance because of the optimization the consoles receive. Remember, the PS3’s GPU is based on the 7800GT. Saying that the 7800GT will beat the PS3’s GPU even with optimization is just wrong.
i’m not sure, beucase of that i said better or the SAME.
It will probably be lower than the old consoles because of the optimization. Spec for spec, consoles will always win.
i disagree. spec for spec with a little more for windows or mac or linux usage they can be the same. optimization = lower quality
Well then you are just going against the foundations of console development. If you take the 7800GT in the PS3 and the desktop 7800GT, you obviously can’t believe that the desktop version will win in the LONG RUN. At first yes, it will compete but because they can optimize the 7800GT like gpu in the PS3, it will beat the desktop version. I don’t know what you mean by a little more for windows. Are you referring to memory? Anyway, if you took a 7800GT, you could definitely play games fine from a while back close to the time when the PS3 launched but just try running BF4 and other modern games. It won’t be as good as the console version.
BF4 on PS4/X1 ? yeah
but it can be as good as BF4 on X360/PS3.
yeah i’m referring to memory and cpu usage and those services and drivers.
No it won’t run properly. If it DID run, it would probably be at 640X480 or 800X600 with 20fps. I doubt the game would even start though.
how can you be so sure ?
Metro 2033 still lags on my pc, frames are always under 40fps, but Metro LL with much higher graphics on the same hardware runs 60 on max settings and lowest frame of 46.
Metro 2033 is known to be terribly optimized for PC. Last Light is way better optimized. You ask me how I know? Well, the card is ancient and is equivalent to the gpu found in the PS3. Like I said, if you are gonna take a console and compare it spec for spec with a PC, the console will win because it’s easier to optimize for. A closed platform is ALWAYS easier to optimize for. That is a fact.
i agree but not becuase it’s easier to optimize for consoles (we all know that is a trick), because consoles (360/ps3) don’t have multitasking,heavy & resource hungry OS and etc… that gives them a minor advantage over the same spec on a PC.
by tricks i mean:
Dynamic Resolutions (Crysis 3…)
lower texture resulution (Tomb Raider DE)
turning off tessellation (Tomb Raider DE)
adaptive V-sync (Grand Turismo,Forza3, etc)
locking to 30fps or less + no V-sync (Dragon’s Dogma)
Sub-HD, this gen Sub-1080p (Killzone Shadowfall,Ryse,even the order)
turning down the A.I (uncharted 2,3 and the last of us)
pre baked lighting (Forza4…)
using too much motion blur or depth of field to hide some low quality textures or make the game runs smoothly bu hiding some details under the blur (battlefield 4)
less geometry details and less objects on the screen (BF4)
blury distance (BF4)
less alpha effect or lower resolution alphas on screen (BF4)
this is console optimization and this is a fact
I know what you are trying to say but if you were to run those games on the 7800GT, you’d probably have to make similar if not more sacrifices.
i agree. and i agree with console optimizations but not as a phenomenal thing, it’s no magic, it’s a simple tweak that can be done on many PC games by user himself.
i remember when i couldn’t play first Brothers in Arms title on my PC, back then i changed some value in the game’s .ini file and disabled grass in my game, then i was able to run it very smoothly.
To me, I think if you buy a card that is the same like the one in a console, it should last you about 3-4 years before the optimization really kicks in on the consoles. But by then you can probably buy yourself a cheap graphics card that destroys the console performance. Just look at the 750 Ti. It’s matching the PS4 now. Imagine what it’s successors will be like.
also its an underclocked gpu
PS4 doesn’t need a high end CPU, it has a more efficient mantle-like low level API. Of course you’re too stupid, worthless, and demented to figure this out.
:)) you made my day you F. your mom used to say that too, she said i don’t need huge b00bs, low class azz is more efficient
No, you lack a reading ability. My point is that if you took a PC with the EXACT specs of a console, the console WILL outperform it due to optimization. You need a MORE powerful system to make up for those optimizations.
By saying that low end nVidia GPUs will start beating the PS4, well that’s kind of obvious don’t you think. The 750 Ti is already holding it’s own against the PS4 so the next low-mid GPUs will obviously beat it. Guess what? The new low end GPUs are going to be MORE POWERFUL than the PS4 so good job proving what I said.
Ugh, my “fail box”? I don’t even own a console. Anyway, yes a low-mid PC with a GPU like a 750Ti is achieving similar or even better performance than the PS4 but it won’t in the next few years. And yes I know a low end GPU in 3 years will beat the PS4, that’s what I’ve been saying the whole damn time. You need something more powerful to make up for the optimization and a low-end GPU in 3 years will obviously be MORE POWERFUL than the PS4’s GPU. Do I need to spell it out for you?
Ugh, you aren’t worth my time.
So true mate, as we all know all along, those pesky consoles is pathetich weak thats nothing to have.
Heck my old gtx-570 is as good or maybe slightly better when it’s o/c’ed!
And coupled that with my intel cpu @4.5ghz it totaly slaughter those crappy boxes!
Anything else captain obvious? No one ever claimed the PS4 was more powerful then PC you nut-less d-bag. Hows about taking a break from your pathetic trolling and spend some time with that family you claim to have, maybe then you wont be such a disappointment to them and everyone else around you.
yeah captain idiot, why are you so BUTTHURT?
If you didnt have crap for brains you would know that avalanche THEMSELFS claimed that ps4 will suprass high end pcs.
Now are you gonna apologize or you gonna keep being the pathetic braindamged troll you ever were?
Fckin idiot.
When did i claim i got a family you braindamged tool?
How about you spend some time with YOUR family and stop getting BUTTHURT when soemeone doesnt like your garbagestation 4?
Severe mental illness. Get help.
mental ill fanboy always wrong and dum and delusional, you must kill yourself, do it.
DO IT
I’ve got mental illness yet can still function better than you on a technical level.
Most Microsoft fanboys clearly suffer from paranoid schizophrenia, believing insane and wrong conspiracy theories about Xbox secret sauce.
And you clearly think you’re an expert in that field, talk about delusional.
Factual Derp statistics…. 6 year mentalitly, +560 comments talking
$hit, +16 more topics to troll, +6 pies on your face, better bull$hit
support, better performing copy and paste skills, and faster all round
skills at being totally n00b.
He goes around on various sites and posts “dumb as rock mentally ill fanboy and always wrong” Spam him so he stops.
Dumb as rocks, wrong again, delusional as usual.
yo bro, 660ti is way more powerfull than PS4’s gpu if not twice. 2.5tflops (on default) and OCed to 1306MHz or even more, etc…
Even on DDR3, coupled with the faster XB1’s GPU clock speed surpassing GDDR5 bandwidth on the PS4.
RGBA16F & RGBA32F bandwidth are better on the XB1.
You need a doctor..
There are a bunch of mentally unhinged microsoft fanboys plaguing the internet like that.
Dumb as rocks, mentally ill, delusional, worthless $ony drone
This guy is so funny though, you got to hand it to him and honestly I’ve never seen such a fanboy, I thought it was a myth and I can’t believe he’s serious.
:)) man sony fanboys are the funniest people in the world. man they defend sony hard,lol
That’s because there are only 16 ROPs on XB1 whereas there are 32 ROPs on PS4. PS4 is better in all scenarios
Go back to misterxturd’s blog and stay there, demented fanboy lunatic.
All the console fanboys are rating you up, pi*ss off back to DualShockers, you’re only here for damage control.
this +
LOL dumb, constantly wrong Microsoft fanboy angry that someone smarter and more knowledgeable than them is stating facts.
Microsoft fanboy because I use Windows for gaming? HAHAHAHAHHAA. I have a lot more knowledge than you when it comes to hardware and graphics tech, the best thing you can do is quote specs on paper.
LOL. Dumb as bricks mentally ill fanboy child who STILL thinks infamous was downgraded and has no dynamic shadows. You are still wrong, you are still stupid, delusional, and constantly WRONG.
Infamous was not downgraded, and it does have dynamic shadows. WRONG and WRONG, mentally ill fanboy.
WOW, another new level of stupidity, lol
just die :)) kill yourself, or do something useful and electrocute yourself.
the game has worst Draw Distance in gaming, 2D trees on distance which is not a far distance, no dynamic shadows, because devs conformed it but, but look an idiot fanboy who don’t even admits it when a game director himself admits there is no Dynamic Shadows. no real time Global Illumination, pre backed lightning and reflections, yeah no downgrade at all. lol
Dumb as rocks, mentally ill, delusional, constantly WRONG, worthless Microsoft fanboy imbecile.
You need to see a doctor, you’re clearly mentally ill, malicious, and deranged.
you need to F up, or your b00bless mom will suffer
dumbass and mentally ill fanboys that you are always wrong.
Looking at your history on disqus, all you do is quote the same stuff over and over again, say the same words and your name fits you.
If you read properly what we said about Infamous, we said that the dynamic shadows where removed from E3 to retail(we didn’t say the game has no dynamic shadows), which is clearly illustrated in the screenshots but clearly you can’t even read properly.
lol, idiot F
$ony$tation Fa*s =/= knowledge =/= smart
$ony$tation Fa*s = under age, big mouth F that believe fake advertisments and think their PS4 is more powerful than a TitanZ and infamousSS is a best looking $h$it out there and they call it smart and fact and every body else are MS fanboys
he is a pc only gamer you pathetic muppet, stop calling people dumb and deluisional and constatnly wrong.
Dumb as rocks, wrong, delusional as usual.demented fanboy lunatic.
what he said.
and you back to sony dck sucking.
lol. Dumb as rocks, wrong, delusional as usual.
Jay you are stupid and dont know what you are talking about, that is all.
He took from you idiotic sonytard.
muy estupido
wtf are you talking about
Well, at least they know the limits of the hardware. Maybe this will allow them to come up with clever workarounds.
So, what I get from this is that on Windows the PC GPUs are heavily under utilized? 😀
What i get from you is that you are a butthurt idiotic muppet that doesnt understand crap and likes to suck sony dck.
Let me get it out of your thikck consoeltarded skull kid.
1. Pc gaming is doing fine, piracy is irrelevant steam has 75 milion active acounts, all games are coming to pc, ea makes more money on pc than consoles, ken levine says the future of faming is on pc, pc is the pretty much the future and more alive than ever.
What the article states is that ps4 CANNOT run games as well as a powefull pc, a powerfull midrange pc is more powerfull than ps4 and no matter what you do ps4 will NOT be able to render more, devs themselfs stated they cant put more power.
Now that ps4 is alot like pc and pc will get more hardware utiilization ps4 will be crap compared to a decent pc.
Thus pc wins and you can go ahead and fck a cactus dumb sony fantard.
LOL another mentally ill meltdown. You seriously need help.
metnally ill fanboy and always wrong and delusional, go fck your mother kiddo.
Dumb as rocks, wrong, delusional as usual.
optimising the bone to a 32 bit path would actually beat the ps4 in terms of peak bandwidth… must be why some games have hit a wall in resolution, the 720p issue, as they must be using a 64 bit path (aka not utilising esram properly)
both consoles are pretty close in performance but it’s clear that ps4 is easier to develop on, i just hope the bone has better tool kits & support for ensuring developers utilise the xbones hardware or they will run the same issues that ps3 has, though the new dx12 has made porting much more easier without performance hits so glad they are working on it.
Peak bandwidth is pretty much never attained, it’s just theoretical like a lot of on paper numbers.
Pretty much your entire post is wrong.
Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.
Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.
PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.
yeah keep copy and pasting the same trash spc facts you know about ps4 like a dumb delusional fanboy and keep being a clueless idiots.
Oddworld developers believe otherwise. They think at some point both cosnoles will be on par.
Dumb as rocks, mentally ill, delusional, brainless, constantly WRONG, worthless Microsoft fanboy imbecile.
mentally ill fantard no brains dumb as hell idiot wrong stupid f@ggot
raw numbers don’t always mean much more performance,
look at the 750ti a 1.31 tflop gpu, that outperforms the r7 260x which is a 1.97 ftlop gpu, the funny thing is that the 750 ti it’s a 16 rop gpu which outperforms all ps4, xbox one, r7 260x.
It even runs bf4 & titanfall at 1080p 60fps, much better than ps4 with less GFlops, CU’s etc. so please don’t boast specs if you don’t know what they mean.
esram utilization using a 32 bit path will likely close the resolution gap, games on both platform look the same if you ignore the resolution issue.
Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.
Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.
PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.
Infamous is technically superior in every way. 1080p, 35 fps average (according to DF), open world, next gen visual effects, cutscenes are mostly realtime, etc.
If you think a 900p, 20 fps average, QTE corridor brawler with copypasted barbarian enemies and CG movie cutscenes “looks better”, that’s your dumb and delusional opinion.
It’s still a fact PS4’s hardware is superior and its games are technically more advanced as a result.
PS4 has the best 1st party studios in the industry, the best versions of multiplats, greater developer support including indies, and far more software and hardware sales. It’s dominating and you’re an angry, delusional, bitter fanboy child.
PS4 6 million, Xbox 3.5 million by end of Feb 2014. PS4 will still outsell Xbox globally March 2014 despite price drops and Titanfall bundles. PS4 likely at 7 million, Xbox 4 million by end of Mar 2014. That’s 1.75:1 globally.
Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider and won’t stop, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales. End of story.
Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime soon.
The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to continue that trend. It’s a business failure that MS shareholders increasingly want to get rid of.
Constantly WRONG dumb, delusional, evil, malicious, disgusting and hateful Microsoft fanboy. You are monstrous, demented, and worthless, lying over and over. Disgusting horrifying monstrous evil worthless sack of rotten garbage. You Microsoft fanboys must eat crow for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, or live in constant delusion and denial to be so WRONG over and over and over again.
woah fangirl chill out, if you really think ps4 is far superior then why does infamous miss out on shadows & light? why is killzone multiplayer sub hd with bad frame rate that can’t get to 60fps with less player count of a max of 24 as opposed to 32 last gen? (oh yeah precious sony lied to you) stop being a baby & just admit that esram utilisation was the only reason ps4 games had better resolution. bf4 for example have the same graphic settings just the resolution issue keeps the ps4 ahead, same with cod.
i own a ps4 & i do like it, features are like the xbox 360 which is great, but to say ps4 has a huge advantage is a lie, it’s just the ease of development that is keeping them in the lead & like devs have already said, the gap will fade away.
having said that, if you really care about specs then get a pc & stop being a pathetic childish fanboy you are ruining the ps4’s image, i like naughty dog titles & i like halo & gears of war, so i will own both. it’s just preference in the end.
Those are the facts, you’re a dumb as rocks and delusional fanboy child and WRONG.
Infamous does have dynamic shadows. WRONG.
WRONG Xbox will NEVER catch up in performance. You are simply too stupid and delusional to understand.
Apologizing for your overpriced, underpowered piece of plastic by pointing to a high end PC. LOL no.
Dumb imbecile fanboys WRONG over and over and over again.
Dumb, wrong,Mentally ill ,delusional as usual.
Dumb, wrong,ill ,delusional as usual.
“The power of dem clouds and GDDR 5 will outperform PCs for years to come…NOT”
Who said “GDDR5 will outperform PC”? Idiot.
you people said it, you people believed it, or i should say you idiots.
power of next-gen, lol. that 8GB GDDR5 :)) die
Dumb, wrong, delusional as usual.
yeah dumb idiots like you as usual. believe anything you like but never ever try to say it else where, or at least some where that people may know more than you and your 6years old friends
he is a r3tard going around nd calling people dumb mental ill fanboy, delusional and always wrong, spam that c3nt for a while that whill shut him up, lot of people do.
Dumb as rocks, mentally ill, delusional, constantly WRONG, worthless Microsoft fanboy imbecile.
Dumb as rocks, mentally ill, delusional, constantly WRONG, worthless Microsoft fanboy imbecile.
You made a claim you couldn’t back up, you were WRONG as usual, now you’re acting like a delusional, dumb as rocks imbecile fanboy as usual. Worthless trash.
at least say something new. or my 20cm firend will see you mom’s back, lol. and them we see who is delusional and how it goes
Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.
Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.
PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.
Infamous is technically superior in every way. 1080p, 35 fps average (according to DF), open world, next gen visual effects, cutscenes are mostly realtime, etc.
If you think a 900p, 20 fps average, QTE corridor brawler with copypasted barbarian enemies and CG movie cutscenes “looks better”, that’s your dumb and delusional opinion.
It’s still a fact PS4’s hardware is superior and its games are technically more advanced as a result.
PS4 has the best 1st party studios in the industry, the best versions of multiplats, greater developer support including indies, and far more software and hardware sales. It’s dominating and you’re an angry, delusional, bitter fanboy child.
PS4 6 million, Xbox 3.5 million by end of Feb 2014. PS4 will still outsell Xbox globally March 2014 despite price drops and Titanfall bundles. PS4 likely at 7 million, Xbox 4 million by end of Mar 2014. That’s 1.75:1 globally.
Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider and won’t stop, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales. End of story.
Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime soon.
The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to continue that trend. It’s a business failure that MS shareholders increasingly want to get rid of.
lol
Dumb, wrong, delusional
Dumb, wrong, delusional as always.
yup thats all you can do, call bepeopl dumb delusional and mentally ill fanboys.
Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.
Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.
PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.
Infamous is technically superior in every way. 1080p, 35 fps average (according to DF), open world, next gen visual effects, cutscenes are mostly realtime, etc.
If you think a 900p, 20 fps average, QTE corridor brawler with copypasted barbarian enemies and CG movie cutscenes “looks better”, that’s your dumb and delusional opinion.
It’s still a fact PS4’s hardware is superior and its games are technically more advanced as a result.
PS4 has the best 1st party studios in the industry, the best versions of multiplats, greater developer support including indies, and far more software and hardware sales. It’s dominating and you’re an angry, delusional, bitter fanboy child.
PS4 6 million, Xbox 3.5 million by end of Feb 2014. PS4 will still outsell Xbox globally March 2014 despite price drops and Titanfall bundles. PS4 likely at 7 million, Xbox 4 million by end of Mar 2014. That’s 1.75:1 globally.
Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider and won’t stop, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales. End of story.
Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime soon.
The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to continue that trend. It’s a business failure that MS shareholders increasingly want to get rid of.
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Dumb, wrong, delusional as usual.
copy and pasting nonsense meant fot xbots.
Factual proof.
The ps4 CANT compete with pc gpus.
Amd has admited taht the hardware in ps4/xbo are nowhere near as powerfull as pc hardware. Their pc hardware are more powerfull and harder to make thus more expensive.
The 750 ti perfoms better than ps4, its a 149$gpu.
As nvidia said, sony and ms cant spend billions each year to develop new graphics chip.
The architecture they are using is well known its pc architecture, you wont see a large jump 7 years later like with CELL architecture.
Next gen consoles are weak, while last time around they were quite powerfull even sony admited this gen will be a small jump.
Exlusives may push graphics but multiplats will always beat them on pc.
Pc now has low level acess api.
Therefore consoles have nothing, i bet this wil be the last generation of cosnoles
all you consoletards and avalanche themselfs.
Sorry pc wins again.
“but he dev said” oddworld devs say at some point xbone and ps4 wil be equal but it wont happen.
Sounds like someone needs a tissue.
someone is gonna need a tissue in jail thats you when you get raped.
I only get raped by women. Sorry that you have never experienced a touch of a woman. And I know you prefer guys. Nuff said.
Who gets raped by women? only castretated f@gs
so why dont you play on your ps4? oh thats right i forgot ps4 has no games.
Oh wait, you are on more sites and articles then me, why arent you playing your pc? While I kick back, lounge on my couch and play my ps4 while im writing you on my galaxy note3. It must be tha whole bad back thing, huh? You cant cure your stupidity but if you hurry now, you can fix your back posture and bad eye sight!
dont sit on your pc too long replying to me you will hurt your back…whats that you use a phone? Yup you wil ruin your eye sight.
Tell me where you live so i can come and kil you, youa re scum, scum like you are proven trolls and as you troll so much you need to be killed where are you give me your adress.
give me your adress
I live at your house. Dakan, this is your father speaking. You have spread nonsense everywhere and now I must teach you a lesson. Come out of the basement and get your daily dcking, boy!
you are a low life virgin troll with bad eye sight and awful posture going around trolling people and i will kill you.
come on i am waiting
whats wrong are you being a pussy?
I am what I eat.
you eat s!ht
True, I have come across a dingle berry or two while eating a girl out before. Thats why its always best to wipe front to back. Just sime advice for you for when your boyfriend goes down on you.
YOU ARE A VIRGIN ALL YOU HAVE EAT IS DORRITOS and sony d1ck
What I cant eat pussy and doritos at the same time? Oh I’m sorry you have back problems so you cant suck off your boyfriend and eat doritos.
i really like how you can jerk off, east dorritos, reply to me and play on your ps4 at the same time you no life virgin.
the guy who bends over to eat infected pussy talks about a bad posture, the guy who types this from a phone talks about bad eyesight, the guy who has nothing better to do than spam me here all day talks about no life nerds playing wow.
If you want to see the biggest loser in he world look at yourself.
Obviously you have never had pussy because you dont have to bend over to get to it. But I get it, you have to bend over take it from your boyfriend, psionicinversion, so that is what your used to.
Also Im pretty damn sexy. Because you like men, you would come to my house to kill me only to end up trying to rape me. But then I beat your @$$ cause you are a fat nerd.
good for you, now is time for you to do your kindergarten’s home work, do them, kiss momy, brush your teeth ,and go to sleep and i may allow you to play with your toy (ps4,x1) tomorow
Better then the toy dildos that you share with Dakan45 and psionicinversion and stick straight up your @$$.
Oh i see what you mean, so you pick up your cat and lick it, no virgin thats not what i meant when i said lick pussy.
Funny how i am the fat nerd but you look like jabba the hut from all the dorritos eating and face is full of skin irritations from all the cat vaginas have been licking.
Yeah i ll come to your house and rape you because i bench 100KG and i will use your ps4 as a dildo. Then we will see how sexy you are.
Do you even lift bro?
Whats your splits?
the guy who bends over to eat infected pussy talks about a bad
posture, the guy who types this from a phone talks about bad eyesight,
the guy who has nothing better to do than spam me here all day talks
about no life nerds playing wow.
If you want to see the biggest loser in he world look at yourself..
Im sorry your angry. I understand, your back hurts and your butt too. You have poor vision and its annoying for you. I get it. But get help and stop taking it out on others. You should also slow down on Wow. Dakan you dont need 15 WOW accounts.
Also I know you claim you work out but you dont. No one ever says I can lift 100kg. Lifters say pounds or lbs. That just proves you dont lift and that you truly are a fat nerd. I can lift a 100 kilos lol. Thats something sheldon would say.
Not fat, i got 10% better vision than the avrage human and i have never palyed wow.
Stereotype= FAIL.
Cry some more, you cant lift anything heavier than your d!ck kid.
No you use KG because you are a WOW playing, MS d!ck sucking, Fat nerd with bad posture and eye sight and you have those huge thick lenses. Even in bodybuilding competitions the europeans say lbs. Pathetic.
FAIL
Yes you are a FAIL
….
this it?
Constantly WRONG dumb, delusional, evil, malicious, disgusting and
hateful Microsoft fanboy. You are monstrous, demented, and worthless,
lying over and over. Disgusting horrifying monstrous evil worthless sack
of rotten garbage. You Microsoft fanboys must eat crow for breakfast,
lunch, and dinner, or live in constant delusion and denial to be so
WRONG over and over and over again.
Mentally ill, delusional, worthless, dumb as rock sony dck licker, pc
destroys your trashboxes, keep whining about it butthurt f@ggot.
Face it ps4 sucks..
psst apparently pc gamers have bad eyesight and bad posture and are all playing wow according to this low life sony dck rider.
Hey man, I just want to eat my pussy and doritos. Is that ok?
is punching you in the face ok?
You are too slow to hit me fatty.
the guy who bends over to eat infected pussy talks about a bad
posture, the guy who types this from a phone talks about bad eyesight,
the guy who has nothing better to do than spam me here all day talks
about no life nerds playing wow.
If you want to see the biggest loser in he world look at yourself.
he obsessesivley compulsively answers to my post by copy and pasting the same crap, keep up we will drive him nuts.
no games no power and dumbarses like brian for fanboys with no life and nothing better to do than damage controling it.
I tried cat before, your mom’s. She loved every second of it.
Her pussy
ok then
If you think a dingle berry is a fruit, then you have a lot to learn…
you eait jiz therefore you are jiz
I have made girls squirt before. Makes sense.
you havent made CRAP squite dipsht you are a low life virgin troll with no brains
so you made them pee on you ? lol
Whatever floats your boat.
lol
dumb as bricks, , you mom, mentally ill, $onyfa* ,delusional as usual
So, just curious. You love PC so much that you would back a guy who will threaten to kill others but likes to see others get raped as well?
don’t care about others
And yet your responses to me are from my responses to dakan and so you support him. Just like all the likes you give him. And you dont care you say? I beg to differ. You have no moral compass my friend.
whatever
you eat d1cks
No just pussy
you eat D!CK
if you had half a brain you would know i only pwn sonyf@gs who defend sony crappy move and damage control but you are in love with your paperweright box 4.
wow does yoshida pay you? if not then you are a loser
Yes because people who buy PC’s don’t just play games, people who buy consoles just play games and a few media stuff. Consoles are pretty much like toasters.
STEAM ( a gaming site for PC gamers ) = gamers 99% of the time?
The same can be said for PS-Network = gamers / movie watchers?
Calling consoles toasters is like calling a PC a Box
Which is only one part of what people do on a PC, without games a console would be useless.
A console is made for gaming/media.
A PC is for many things, but people don’t give a sh*t about that when they buy a console for gaming.
Yeah a console is basically a toaster that relies on game sales to keep it relevant just like a toaster relies on bread products to keep it relevant.
LMAO!
No matter how much you hate on consoles by calling them names doesn’t change things. Millions of gamers own consoles and is getting more by the year. Consoles offer great games for a low cost to people that just want too play without all the PC knowledge needed.
Plus most people own a Laptop / PC for other needs ( as well as gaming ) like myself?
It’s comparable to a toast, I.e has a limited set of functions and without it’s primary function isn’t next to useless.
Poor HDD? ( easy to change for SSD ) for people that want too. Blu-Ray is the new Disc format ( not a lot of PCs have them as standard ) unlike PS3 / PS4 / Xbone / Blu-Ray Players, ect.
“blu-ray drive transfer speeds slower than a DVD”
Well when the first DVDs came out, they loaded much slower than they do today, and that’s the same as Blu-rays, but the Blu-ray format not only holds much more storage capacity than DVD it allows for much better audio codecs when compared to DVD too.
But here is the thing.. Why should you upgrade from DVD to Blu-ray?.. The simple answer is HDTV?
You’ve got to be stupid to buy an SSD for your PS4, it won’t hold many games and the cost is more than a 1/4 of the price of a PS4 if you get a 240GB SSD.
That’s the great thing about PC’s you can just swap a drive out, PC Blu-ray drives are cheap anyway and 16x speed.
Well just but a “Seagate 1TB 2.5 inch Laptop Solid State Hybrid Drive” for £75. This is what’s in my PS4?
thief loading times:
next-gen console = 20 to 40 sec
nex-gen with SSD = 20 to 40 sec
on my mid range pc with a SATA 3GB = 3 to 10 sec
also console version specially PS4 has texture streaming issues, but PC ? none + 1080p 60fps. and PS4 is the lead platform for the game 30fps and stutters. SSD + faster drive wont help it. they focused to much to RAM and GPU but they forgot CPU in they’re consoles
Here you are again missing the whole point… Gamers that buy a console just don’t care about loading times, ect They just want to play games. And so far millions of console gamers are happy with their choices.
yeah, the whole point about stupid people (you included) that are happy with their poor choices, lol.
they care about: graphics
they don’t care about: graphics when it’s look like $h$it and downgraded, becuase it’s exclusive,lol.
they care about: performance
they don’t care: performance and loading times, they just want to play an unplayble games.
lol
LMAO!, Fact is console gamers don’t have to worry about loading times / updating drivers / upgrading hardware / upgrading software / compatibility problems, ect, as all they have to do is plug a console into a TV and play games and the console does the rest. ( good for kids and adults all alike )
Yeah a console will not be able to compete against a real gaming PC but the consoles do what they are made too do, and that’s to bring gaming into the home as well as becoming the main entertainment system for many house holds due to having blu-ray drives as standard.
“don’t have to worry about loading times”
what ? a junk hardware take so long to load a map and they are not worried ? lol
“updating drivers” & “upgrading software”
frimware updates, and sometimes they messed up the whole system. and you can’t do anything about it. the only way is sending them back for warranty if they has one and it took maybe a month.
“upgrading hardware”
is it a bad thing ? after 2years they will be ancient. like past 30years.
“compatibility problems”
there is no such thing becuase they are not backward compatible at all, at least on pc you have option.
Nonsense. You’re just one of the people that defends PC through think and thin as everything I stated above about …”console gamers don’t have to worry about loading times / updating drivers / upgrading hardware / upgrading software / compatibility problems, ect, as all they have to do is plug a console into a TV and play games and the console does the rest”… is 100% correct no matter what you state OR try to debate?
wow you must be super stupid or retard
“don’t have to worry about loading times”
what ? a junk hardware take so long to load a map and they are not worried ? lol
“updating drivers” & “upgrading software”
frimware updates,
and sometimes they messed up the whole system. and you can’t do anything
about it. the only way is sending them back for warranty if they has
one and it took maybe a month.
“upgrading hardware”
is it a bad thing ? after 2years they will be ancient. like past 30years.
“compatibility problems”
there is no such thing becuase they are not backward compatible at all, at least on pc you have option.
So are you stating this is wrong then,,
“console gamers don’t have to worry about loading times / updating
drivers / upgrading hardware / upgrading software / compatibility
problems, ect, as all they have to do is plug a console into a TV and
play games and the console does the rest”
still:
“don’t have to worry about loading times”
what ? a junk hardware take so long to load a map and they are not worried ? lol
“updating drivers” & “upgrading software”
frimware updates,
and sometimes they messed up the whole system. and you can’t do anything
about it. the only way is sending them back for warranty if they has
one and it took maybe a month.
“upgrading hardware”
is it a bad thing ? after 2years they will be ancient. like past 30years.
“compatibility problems”
there is no such thing becuase they are not backward compatible at all, at least on pc you have option.
Consoles are not what they used to be, stop trying to hang onto the past and keep thinking optical media is good for games. Microsoft try to push console users into the digital age but console users didn’t want it because of the whole lending games. Shops make money off you consoles users, they’re happy, trading games makes them money because you can’t keep your games long enough, finish it trade it, you lose money ,they gain and you still haven’t moved out of the 90s.
Ever wonder why PC games are so cheap on Steam? No middleman and games get discounted pretty quickly like Batman Origins now only £7.50, no need to trade just wait for prices to fall or sales and not get ripped off by shops and high console game prices.
“Ever wonder why PC games are so cheap on Steam?”
It’s not just Steam that give games cheap.
PS-Store allows a one time buy for two consoles ( and handhelds if compatible with the game bought ) while Steam allows for one usage ( unless you buy extra usages ) Plus Steam doesn’t always release the games when other networks do.
Example follows..
Dark Souls II from Steam out 25th April at £39.99 ( one usage )
Dark Souls II from PS-Store out now at £39.99 ( two usages )
Swings and roundabouts. Plus not being funny but PS+ Users got loads of games for no extra cost helping save even more money.
The other point of console games is this.. Buy the game play it sell it back = cost less than buying PC game. Example = say a game on PC was £29.99, on consoles it was £39.99, you can sell that game back to shops for £15 ish, making it £25 paid for game, while with PC games shops don’t really want to take off people. But IMO just but from all places for the platforms you own, and you can’t go wrong.
They’re far too stupid and demented to understand things like price/performance that makes consoles so popular.
agreed bro.
but in 1hour and half you can finish all the MGS5:GZ with side missions. they are speed runs and finished times less than a 10min, 6min. 30$ for an open world (only a small military base, like 200m) demo
yep, that small. at first it was 40$ after a day or two before release they droped it to 30$, even demos are longer than MGS5 and they are free
:)))) so true
Wow you’re dumb. As if it wasn’t obvious.
dumb. As if it wasn’t obvious.
Gaming used to be for fun, and relaxing while having a laugh with your mates, ect,.. Now it’s like…
OH the PS4 can play games at 1080p OMG, but it can’t do 60fps yet my super duper PC can so PS4 is sh*t… ( Just by comparing PS4 to PC says something in my book )?
Yet the 100+ million people that used a Wii for gaming don’t care about processors, RAM, GPUs, ect they just wanted games to play on TV with the family ( much like most gamers that buy a console ) IMO
You’re far too stupid and demented to understand things like price/performance that makes consoles so popular.a
You’re far too stupid and demented to understand things like price/performance that makes consoles so popular.
There are more PC’s being used on the planet than consoles, now shut up narrow minded one.
I feel like this is 1/10th of the necessary info to make this article coherent.
Poor Microsoft.
They chose poorly.
I feel sorry for you, they’re still 5400RPM, you wasted your money. SSD’s fit PC usage patterns a lot better, it’s more about those small files than large files and why the PS4 doesn’t benefit hardly, also console read data off an optical media still.
I didn’t have to have 5400rpm ( my choice ) I could have had 7200rpm OR a bigger HDD ( my choice again ) so what I’m pointing out it this… It don’t matter as PS4s standard HDD is good enough for gaming?
It’s not good enough, people are filling it up already since it’s only 406GB and it’s slow loading like 5400RPM laptop HDD’s are.
Just giving you advice, you said it’s good enough for gaming and then go and buy a new one. LOL
Yes 500GB is good enough for gamers, and good enough for keeping price down for consumers, BUT they also made the console to upgrade HDDs if needed ( like I did ), but with PS4 once you installed the game and play it you can keep your saves and delete the game saving space ( same as PC )?
On my PC I use a Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD as my primary HDD ( is that not good enough then ) LMAO!
Again you didn’t get my point, console DON’T have the same usage pattens as PCs in regard to SSD usage. An SSD on a PC has massive performance gains in every area of usage, consoles don’t, they also read off optical media still for games, PC don’t read game data off optical media apart from security checks on startup.
You do know consoles still stream data in from the optical disk? It’s the reason why consoles have texture loading issues, even the PS4 has issues because it’s a serious bottleneck.
And yet again comparing a console to PC hardware. As I stated many times, that is irrelevant to the basic gamer just wanting to play a game on a TV set without PC knowledge.
PS4 is NOT meant to compete with a PC, ( people like you just think it should )?
I think those people would care about loading times and texture steaming issues, they complain on forums just the same.
Really. PS4 = no need to install updates or create an account, or be online for that matter just to play a game.
You get game updates, firmware updates, you need a PSN account to play online and features, stop lying.
You don’t need to install updates or create an account, or be online for that matter just to play a game.
That’s a fact as PS3/PS4 isn’t always online, and just to play a game you don’t need a PSN account just to play a game. IF you want to play online then yes you need a PSN account. But same thing can be said with PC games online needing a EA/Origin account?
That’s more to do with the digital service integration with the games, PC games used to have their own server browser until shitty consoles came along and devs got lazy
nice 720p video compressed screen shot comparisons at different times of day there.
The game has toned down shadows from ea no one should argue that.
I am. http://i6.minus.com/izA3apJ0jx0pP.jpg they haven’t.
LOL the sony fanboy below who believes the 1.84 GFLOPS of the ps4 gpu equals to a 7970, and his army of 14 dumbs. THe 7970 is running a 3.6 GFLOPS!! But he talks about “facts”
PS4 myths are falling as a house of cards, first I was rumored that PS4 gpu was a R9270, then a 7970, now it just a little above the 7850 that cost between 125-150 dollars on newegg and amazon. Whats next??
SO building a PC that is near to the PS4 performance in MY THIRD WORLD COUNTRY which have an expensive tax on PC parts would cost me.
$289 US dollars for the AMD A10 5800K including case, hard disk, motherboard,
$69 for 8 GB instead of 2 GB of ram
$125for that 7850
483 dollars, yeah $83 else than a PS4 in USA, (here a PS4 is around $600) but that is good enough knowing I can use my steam Library, I can STILL PLAY Starcraft BW, I CAN STILL USE MY OLD LOGITECH RUMBLE PAD, I can play games on up to three monitors , I can connect my old drive and play all those homebrew, fanbase, indie, emulator games I have.
SO I guess in USA or Europe AMD processors are cheaper than here or at least tax free.
LOL this sony drones, who are they trying to convince for? Just play your games and GTFO.
Mentally ill, completely wrong, hilarious fanboy meltdown.
Factual Derp statistics…. 6 year mentalitly, +560 comments talking
$hit, +16 more topics to troll, +6 pies on your face, better bull$hit
support, better performing copy and paste skills, and faster all round
skills at being totally n00b
Mentally ill
But what about that Supercharged PC Architecture? What about that PS4 more powerful than most rigs out there, clearly refering to gaming PCs as that was the matter of the speech? What happened in the middle of the way that made the PS4 lose for entry level mid gpus like 750Ti?
typical sony fanboy drivle what you expect, those morons beleive that trash. Just like how ps2 is powerfull enough to make weapons of mass desturction.
It’s funny how Sony Drones say things like “PC elitists only care about graphics, not the games, blah blah blah” (and that’s not true, PC gamers care about game performance because our platform is custom and worth discussing). Then, when their favorite company says some stupid PR telling lies about how their machine is powerful, even more than X platform… then the Sony Drones go out on full attack and the only thing that matters is graphics. And the kids believe every single fucking PR word. “Supercharged PC architecture, more powerful than most PCs even with a downgraded mid end GPU and netbook cpu”. HAHA
Easiest way to see this now is watching how they talk about graphics, saying how Xone and Wii U sucks and PS4 = king, but become angry when someone drops PC in the conversation. Underage dumb fuckers…
TEH ORDER LOOKS AMAZING, PC FANBOYS MAD.
30 fps black bars scripted gameplay with qtes, no thanks.
TEH GDDR5 8GB PC NO HAZ IT, PS4 BEATS PC.
Only 5gb available for games both cpu and gpu and the 750 ti runs bf4 better than ps4.
Consoletards are getting pwned every single time, its getting repettive.
Mentally ill, constantly wrong, delusional fanboy child having a meltdown all over this blog. LOL
All the architectural advantages must be pretty shitty then, because right now a poor man’s 750Ti is eating PS4 food even with all those “advantages”, at least where it matters: games, better framerate, resolution and graphics settings.
Go play with your toy, kid. Go back to Gamefaqs search for a walkthrough for you game..
he is a troll copy and pasting “mentally ill fanboy always wrong and delusional.
Spam him for a while 3 other people i know do it so he will stop.
r3tard sony dckridng f@ggot with no brains always wrong and molested by his daddy.
Kill yourself
PS4 has architectural advantages over PCs. If you’re too stupid to know what they are that’s your problem.
A 1.84 TF GPU is certainly more powerful than most PCs.
PS4 beats PC in price/performance for $400.
You’re a dumb as bricks, wrong, demented fanboy.
All DAT POWER and only has a 406GB 5400RPM HDD and 6x blu-ray. Enjoy your long loading times.
Severe mental illness and stupidity combined.
And still smarter then you ever will be.
LOL no. You sound like misterx now.
Just one link to bring that whole post to a screeching halt.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-maxwell-20nm-delayed-late-2014-early-2015
Keep dreaming about misterxtech.
This news is pretty surprising but this is the rationale, the source
gives. Basically 20nm has already begun at TSMC, but apparently the
process is not yet ready for full fledged GPU core production. This is
of course very bad news for Nvidia which has been ready with its Maxwell
Architecture since quite some some time now. According to the same
source, we might see an odd card or two by the end of 2014 but the
actual lineup will most probably come in 2015. The reason being, as I
have already stated, that TSMC is not ready to begin 20nm GPU
Production.
Interestingly this would shorten the market lead Nvidia has over the
GPU Cycle, meaning more time for AMD GPUs to sell under the same cycle.
Also I am not sure how this will affect Nvidia’s roadmap in the long
run, meaning whether Pascal, Volta etc are still on track. Because if
this means that a delay will stack up on a delay, then its bad news all
round.
PS4 has architectural advantages over PCs. If you’re too stupid to know what they are that’s your problem.
A 1.84 TF GPU is certainly more powerful than most PCs.
PS4 beats PC in price/performance for $400.
You’re a dumb as bricks, demented fanboy.
Nope it doesnt its a weak piece of trash with a tablet cpu and a weak trash hard, even the overhyped GDDR5 is on pc and the bandwith is lower than most gaming pc videocards.
Dumb as bricks mentally r3tarded sony dck rider
welcome. Dont forget sony has a 78% change of going bankrupt in 2 years, they are shutting down divisions left and right, they are layinf off people and cancelling ips in multiple studios and despite ps4 high sales sony’s rating is still considered “junk”
shut the hell up you ill peace of garbage and die, but first kill your mom
Pure evil and mentally ill.
dumb as bricks, , you mom, mentally ill, $onyfa* ,delusional as usual
lots of macbooks in that list playing indie games just saying.
You can just choose PC from the menu.
show me how ps4 outperfoms most pcs in that list.
You’ll have to look at specs ( although i don’t agree people should do that ) as PC and PS4 hardware are not the same ( only similar )
They are as close as they would get, the same architecture will really improve pc perfomance.
What exactly you mean by specs?
That list doesnt show 8 core cpus, nor the fact that the cpu on ps4 is the weakest 8 core cpu in existance and a powerfull quadcore beats it.
It shows the % at what gamers use?
Example, the most % of CPU = 2CPUs at 46.80% while PS4 = 8CPUs
Then there’s the VRAM = 1024MB ( 1GB ) at 36.17% while PS4 much much more.
LoL, what relevance is that POS? I have 2GB of VRAM and it looks better then the PS4 version because I can pick SMAA for sharper image quality with textures on high. Real world is what it’s about, not stats and semantics.
4 cpu core is also on 44% and the ps4 cpu is equivilant to a a powerfull quad core.
So on 75 million steam acounts, 36% has 1gb videocard that can still play next gen games.
Still larger than next gen userbase.
But you can see what it means?
It means that ( most ) PC gamers that use steam haven’t even got the hardware that PS4 uses, so for those people putting PS4 down ( spec wise ) really need to look in the mirror and upgrade their PCs as IMO developers could be held back due to the mass PC gaming market not even using PCs as good as this gen consoles.
Most pc gamers dont play multiplatform games, you cant put people who use old pcs to play indie games on the same user base as those who bring down ps4.
“Most pc gamers dont play multiplatform games”
If you say so. BF4 / CODG / Witcher series / Dead Space series / Mass Effect series, ect ect ect all played on PC by PC gamers
i am pointing out at that intel gpu steam survey you keep showing.
You’re clearly too dumb to understand price/performance.
and you are sucking on sonys dck too hard to understand why pc is superior on both. Keep sucking that sony dck.
Nobody gives a crap about your TOS-breaking Russian discount PC key selling sites. If Steam or Ubisoft catches you doing they they might ban your account or remove your game access.
Who cares about UK? Murica!
UK has a massive sales base for gamers in the world, somewhere about 3rd in the world so STFU clueless one
Nice one, we PC users have always enjoyed cheaper games, truly golden age of PC gaming with Steam and ports of games we never thought would ever come to the PC.
Although I’m not on about watchdogs ( soon to be released ) I’ll use a PS3 and PC game already out as an example.
Dark Souls II, is in shops now, and on PS-Store ( On STEAM but but not available until 25/04/2014 )
Now the PC game is £29.99 ( same shop ) for PS3 it is £36.99. This makes PC the cheaper buy. ( See Links )
http://www.game.co.uk/en/dark-souls-ii-198672
http://www.game.co.uk/en/dark-souls-ii-198668
Now on STEAM that PC game is £39.99 ( one platform usage ) and on PS-Store that PS3 game is also at £39.99. ( See Links Below )
http://store.steampowered.com/app/236430/
https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-gb/games/dark-souls-ii/cid=EP0700-NPEB01853_00-DARKSOULS2000001
BUT here is what people forget…
Games bought from PS-Store allow ( two platform usage ) “One time fee for use of downloads on up to 2 activated compatible Home Console systems”
Now this means if I was too buy that PC game from the shop or steam I can only use it on one platform at any given time. ( same thing for PS3 game bought from shop )
BUT if I buy from Sonys PS-Store I get two copies for the price in a single transaction. So doing it that way is saying me money as I have two copies for £15 each really?
Feel free to fight guys but do it in a civil way. No reason for threats or for comments like “die” “kill yourself” “I will kill you so I can sleep at nights” etc.
then block the trolls that came here to cause trouble,
xtreme derp goes to various sites and posts “dumb as rocks mentally ill fanboy and always wrong” (click on his name if you dont believe me) he does the same to gaminbolt and attack of the fanboy.
and brian lee is spamming me on all sites, they are only here to cause trouble…but i forgot you dont silence anyone, so they will keep doing .
How nice.
Then stop feeding them. You’ve been replying to them with the same crap immature comments. Don’t give them that satisfaction man.
I agree, some of them are taking it too far.
Ban the ones who are telling people to kill themselves and perform sexual acts”go lick/suck a dck”(they could be saying it to children for god’s sake it’s not right)
Dem TFLOPS are all that matters to the console users because they don’t understand much else.
Well you aren’t exactly innocent man. You’ve also been saying shit like “kill your mom”, “kill yourself” etc. Just stop replying to them.
yeah, and i continue to do so till some one do something
Then you are just as petty as them.
not your business
Just don’t be a hypocrite.
Aww dumb as bricks fanboy is mad at facts like price/performance.
dumb as bricks fanboy is mad at facts like price/performance
0/10 fail
I don’t bother reading or replying to your rambling because it’s mostly a crock of sh*t or obvious trolling.
Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.
Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.
PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.
Infamous is technically superior in every way. 1080p, 35 fps average (according to DF), open world, next gen visual effects, cutscenes are mostly realtime, etc.
If you think a 900p, 20 fps average, QTE corridor brawler with copypasted barbarian enemies and CG movie cutscenes “looks better”, that’s your dumb and delusional opinion.
It’s still a fact PS4’s hardware is superior and its games are technically more advanced as a result.
PS4 has the best 1st party studios in the industry, the best versions of multiplats, greater developer support including indies, and far more software and hardware sales. It’s dominating and you’re an angry, delusional, bitter fanboy child.
PS4 6 million, Xbox 3.5 million by end of Feb 2014. PS4 will still outsell Xbox globally March 2014 despite price drops and Titanfall bundles. PS4 likely at 7 million, Xbox 4 million by end of Mar 2014. That’s 1.75:1 globally.
Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider and won’t stop, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales. End of story.
Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime soon.
The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to continue that trend. It’s a business failure that MS shareholders increasingly want to get rid of.
Once you log in to your PSN account and download a digital game, you can then play it offline indefinitely from the same local account. If you log into another local account while offline and try to play a digital game, it won’t authenticate, you have to locally (still offline) log back into the account that “owns” and downloaded the game. It works the same way on PS3 or even PSP and Xbox Live. This isn’t anything new, it’s worked this way on PS3 and PSP as well. There are still no “timed DRM checks” for non-PS+ PSN games. Unless it’s a PS+ game which expires if you don’t renew your subscription.
And all games taken form PS-Store work on more than one piece of hardware for no extra costs. ( some even cross platform for free ) which is good for the kids and adults alike?
Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.
Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.
PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.
Infamous is technically superior in every way. 1080p, 35 fps average (according to DF), open world, next gen visual effects, cutscenes are mostly realtime, etc.
If you think a 900p, 20 fps average, QTE corridor brawler with copypasted barbarian enemies and CG movie cutscenes “looks better”, that’s your dumb and delusional opinion.
It’s still a fact PS4’s hardware is superior and its games are technically more advanced as a result.
PS4 has the best 1st party studios in the industry, the best versions of multiplats, greater developer support including indies, and far more software and hardware sales. It’s dominating and you’re an angry, delusional, bitter fanboy child.
PS4 6 million, Xbox 3.5 million by end of Feb 2014. PS4 will still outsell Xbox globally March 2014 despite price drops and Titanfall bundles. PS4 likely at 7 million, Xbox 4 million by end of Mar 2014. That’s 1.75:1 globally.
Xbox will hardly sell anything in smaller “tier 2” markets already dominated by PS3 and PS4. The global gap is growing wider and won’t stop, Xbox will never surpass PS4 in global sales. End of story.
Your favorite piece of plastic is getting dominated by PS4 in sales, games performance, and dev support, causing you to harbor fevered delusions about Sony going bankrupt. Sorry, won’t happen anytime soon.
The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to continue that trend. It’s a business failure that MS shareholders increasingly want to get rid of.
Once you log in to your PSN account and download a digital game, you can then play it offline indefinitely from the same local account. If you log into another local account while offline and try to play a digital game, it won’t authenticate, you have to locally (still offline) log back into the account that “owns” and downloaded the game. It works the same way on PS3 or even PSP and Xbox Live. This isn’t anything new, it’s worked this way on PS3 and PSP as well. There are still no “timed DRM checks” for non-PS+ PSN games. Unless it’s a PS+ game which expires if you don’t renew your subscription.
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he compare X1 to PS4 in a PC site. who care which one of those toys is more powerful or has better games, they both garbage, lol. he thinks this is xbox .com he is drunk and came to a wrong place. don’t know if it’s illegal or not, a 6years old get drunk
Have you been reading what we’ve been saying about the shadows? The shot proves nothing and you can’t say if those shadows are dynamic or baked. Dynamic shadows means that they move according to a light source’s position (like the Sun or Moon). Lots of games have pre-baked shadows which can look nice but they’re not dynamic and often baked into the texture like Unreal Engine games.
If you want an example of realtime dynamic shadows, look at AC4 Black Flag, all of the shadows move according to the Sun or Moon light in a smooth lifelike way because it has time of day transitions.
That shot looks nice but looks plastic and lacks depth, Crysis 2 looks much better and that uses global illumination, SSDO, tessellation.
There was nothing above about anything about dynamic lighting or baked shadows. I was responding to the downgrade that never happened. Infamous uses much of those as well in a open world setting with mostly stunning results. To expect literally hundreds of light sources to be casting shadows is a bit ludicrous.
http://i.minus.com/iwj0oPYH2rIXU.jpg
http://i.minus.com/igykwMLkeZ3wl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pvwlreO.jpg
http://i5.minus.com/id3zotZjPcyoi.jpg
still dumb as brick ?
All of the light sources are not casting dynamic shadows, only a few are actually dynamic like character shadows. There is nothing new about deferred lighting which can have a lot of lights but real time shadow casting on every object is a different matter and also the amount of shadows a light casts on one object.
GTA IV on the PC actually had dynamic shadows from car headlights on upto 16 objects during the night and like I said, AC4 Black Flag each object have realtime shadows that move according to the Sun direction.
There is also a video about this, in how the maker shows Final Fantasy 14 has realtime shadows on the clothes during different times of the day, which they removed from the final version of Infamous, shown at E3.
Does it really matter when as a whole infamous looks far better then any of those games you mentioned? And even if a light source is not casting shadows it can still look fantastic. It’s nice they have a few technical aspects that are superior but so does infamous. They did not remove self shadowing from clothing neither, depending on the time of day shadows become much less pronounced/longer and harder to see.
http://i2.minus.com/ijWJu0l6JZMK3.jpg
http://i3.minus.com/i9yJH37kjAglb.jpg
Anyone one any computer can access your Steam library, you just get emailed a code. Also if you have Linux or Windows version of a game they both show up so you don’t pay twice. My wife has access to my Steam account on another computer.
But you can’t play games at the same time ( i know this as I also use Steam )
Q= Can all Steam games be shared with friends and family?
A= No, due to technical limitations, some Steam games may be unavailable for sharing. For example, titles that require an additional third-party key, account, or subscription in order to play cannot be shared between accounts. ( PS-Store doesn’t have this problem as all games can be shared when bought )
Q= Can two users share a library and both play at the same time?
A= No, a shared library may only be accessed by one user at a time. ( Not a problem from PS-Store as two consoles *plus handhelds if compatible* can play the games bought from PS-Store at the same time )
Hence why I posted “if I was too buy that PC game from steam I can only use it on one platform at any given time BUT if I buy from Sonys PS-Store I get two copies for the price in a single transaction”
Q= When I authorize a device to lend my library to others, do I limit my own ability to access and play my games?
A= As the account holder, you may always access and play your games at any time. If you decide to start playing when another user is already playing one of your games, he/she will be given a few minutes to either purchase the game or quit playing. ( Doesn’t happen to people when bought from PS-Store )
http://store.steampowered.com/sharing/
But you just proved that they have.
A bit of racism, insults and threats of violence over gaming platforms ,lol. Get out much?
First of all the diffirence is non existant, if it was running 792p it would make a bigger diffirence than a upscale. 792p is still nonexistant and as for 7800GTX, not a good comparison ps3 was orignally gonna use the cpu to do al lthe rendering without gpu, ps3 cpu is till this day very powerfull and does most of the work in games.
“First of all the diffirence is non existant, if it was running 792p it would make a bigger diffirence than a upscale.”
— Yes it could, but even then considering that the PS3 performs interpolation with better results, it still gives better performance compared to the minimum spec PC. The performance margin is always there, no matter how small it is.
“ps3 cpu is till this day very powerfull and does most of the work in games.”
— True, which kinda proves my point regarding optimization (both hardware and software). And because the RSX is closely tied to the Cell and the PSGL API, the PS3 is a very high performing unit for the price and can outperform a PC with similar hardware specs by a huge margin in the long term.
“, it still gives better performance compared to the minimum spec PC.”
I never argued that running dead space 2 on the lowest settings is the console version.
“can outperform a PC with similar hardware specs by a huge margin in the long term.”
Since a similar pc didnt exist and even now that it does most games use 3 cores.
Well, you said it yourself, you paid for 2 games, the point is that upto 10 people can play your Steam games, you don’t purchase a licence to use them or “one time fee”. BTW, *cough* offline mode *cough* it does work, my wife plays my Steam games offline.
No, it’s paying for one game ( same price as on steam ) but unlike steam, that game can be used on two console and played at the same time ( unlike steam ) and not restricted to 10 people as everyone that’s using the two PS3 consoles can use those games ( and not just on my account either ) Unlike steam.
So On the PS3 upstairs there’s 10 accounts added onto my console that plays the game, while the PS3 in the spare room has 6 accounts on my console that also plays that game, at total of 16 accounts on two consoles play that one game I bought ( more than steam )
You have to pay for PSN now on the PS4, LoL, Like I said, you can play at the same time, one offline mode one online or 9 others offline but still play games.
All you need to do on the other users is download the games, go offline and everyone can play the same library of games at the same time.
Yet PSN offers the better choice out the two.
Can all Steam games be shared with friends and family? = No ( PSN yes )
Can two users share a library and both play at the same time? = No ( PSN yes )
If you decide to start playing when another user is already playing one of your games, he/she will be given a few minutes to either purchase the game or quit playing ( don’t happen from PSN )
You’re not reading right, any amount of people can share the same account and play at the same time, as long as one only is online, the rest can play the same library offline. You read the FAQ too much but don’t realise you can all play games at the same time.
PSN is Sony only, you can even use your PSN account to log into Steam.
I’ve used steam since 2007 and just tried what you stated and it don’t work for me as guess what it did, it kicked the other user off when I played the same game they was playing. It wouldn’t allow one game to be played by two people at the same time. ( unlike PSN ) which allows both.
I placed some of my older consoles in the spare room along with an old PC, and tried it from my gaming PC to that PC and it didn’t work. So what Steam stated with “If you decide to start playing when another user is already playing one of your games, he/she will be given a few minutes to either purchase the game or quit playing” they are correct.
Just keep quoting like a robot, my wife and me can play my library of Steam games at the same time with one of us offline.
If ya like?
What i done was leave one online while one offline and offline wouldn’t work with shared games from my account. and Steam states why… Individuals must be online in order to play games in libraries that are shared with them? But still don’t change the fact the PSN games work offline and offline on two consoles with many accounts.
Try it, it’s simple, set up a another PC with your Steam account, download the games from the library, go offline mode. Now play games on that PC/laptop and play games on your main PC online or off.
The only thing you need to do is add the code from your email saying another PC is accessing your account, done.
Just keep posting irrelevant shots of shadows which have nothing to do with the issue at hand about the E3 video. Cast one shadow receive one shadow is not the same as the E3 shots.
E3 shots present nothing that isn’t present in the game. Article even goes to say that there wasn’t a downgrade at the end. I want more proof that there was a downgrade because i’m not seeing any.
Look at the shadows on the face, under the eyes, nose, clothes, they’re not present in the retail version, it’s just one received shadow per light source and don’t say it’s the time of day because it’s not, shadows still cast at low light like the FF14 video shows.
If you think what I said was false then post me a screenshot of Infamous SS looking exactly like that E3 shot showing individual shadows on the faces and each part of the clothes.
What do you mean by “pc runs it at 720p native”? you can choose any resolution on pc.
I was referring to the PC running the game in the comparison video I was talking about previously, not just any PC.