AMD has just showcased its new graphics card architecture, Polaris, at its Capsaicin event. The red team showcased its new graphics card running HITMAN at 1440p with 60fps in DX12. While there is still no video yet from this demo, we’ll be sure to update this story once we get our hands on one.
In addition, during AMD’s event, it was announced that Total War: Warhammer will support DX12. The DX12 demo for Total War: Warhammer showcased 10,000 characters at once on screen.
10,000 characters at once! #DX12 @totalwar Warhammer from @SEGA pic.twitter.com/UXStjS5hBG
— RT (@Roy_Ryff) March 14, 2016
Total War: Warhammer was delayed to May 24th and The Creative Assembly recommended – a while back – an AMD Fury X for 60 FPS+ on campaign map and in a 1v1, 20 units vs 20 units battle, and default graphics preset set to “Ultra”.
It will be interesting to see how much the game will benefit from this new API. A strategy game like Total War: Warhammer is ideal for showcasing Microsoft’s latest API, so we can’t wait to see the performance differences between DX11 and DX12.
UPDATE:
We’ve added a video showing the HITMAN DX12 demo. The demo starts at 7:08
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1440p? I was hoping for 4K….. A Titan X or even a 980Ti can already handle 1440p @ 60fps pretty handily. Here’s to hoping PASCAL can bring the heat.
It depends on price range of the chip they were testing.
They showcased FPS over Resolution, it makes sense;
No matter if it’s green or red, a 2016 single-GPU setup that “only” costs -$999 won’t be running 4K at 60 FPS, anyway – not unless Nvidia decides to stop their ridiculously inflated price ranges, which I highly doubt.
Besides, DX12 seems to be a performance hit, rather than a performance gain, so far, so there’s that too.
Well I normally go SLI whenever I buy new GPU’s and I am hoping with PASCAL that 1 card will be enough. So spending $1000 is still cheaper then $600×2 like I normally spend.
Nvidia’s next “Titan” (Titan 2?) MIGHT be enough for 4K at 60 FPS, but that card’s likely at least most of a year out still, if not more, & the price’ll definitely be as bad as Titan, if not worse.
Unfortunately.
We will see. I highly doubt that the GP100 is going to wait to 2017 to launch. More like Fall 2016 at the longest. And what are you basing #1. your timeline and #2. your price guess??? Otherwise it means nothing.
Oh and this… “AMD Radeon Pro Duo Video Card Coming For $1499”!!! As long as the GP100 isn’t more then this (and I’m sure it will be cheaper) then I’ll wait. Considering GP100 should also be more powerful AND not rely on SLI or Crossfire.
nVidia could be sitting on a new Titan Z, and price it in similar range, but that is a long shot.
I think games have to be made with DX12 in mind from scratch in order to yield those “magic” results we’ve been waiting for.
there is no magic with DX12. even if they made it from the scratch for DX12. with console it is easy to deal with low level API because they only have one architecture and one hardware config (for each platform). but on PC? forget about exceeding even matching DX11 performance can be hard for the gpu side with DX12. this is what quantum break dev mention in their presentation.
http://wccftech.com/remedy-dx12-matching-dx11-gpu-performance-trivial-architectures-driver/
So you think we will rarely see those advantages coming from DX12?
And that, for example, indie devs won’t even have the budget to make games use DX12 fully?
I was just informed that the first Pascal cards will be released in May, and that it wont be the top-of-the-line cards, it will be the GP104 which wont run the HBM2 memories, its memory bandwidth will be limited to just 448 GB/s. My guess is that they are waiting for AMD Polaris to launch, so they can top them out with the fully feathered Pascal card.
that is rumor/leak and it was debunked
Source?
the story was a rumor/leak from a Chinese website
Yeah but I asked for a source for this “debunk” you’re talking about. It’s known to take rumors with a grain of salt, but sometimes these rumors are true. And the rumor actually makes sense this time, which further strengthens its accuracy.
You have nothing to back up your sh*t with, so you’re statement is still invalid.
Regardless, whenever the full (GP100) PASCAL is launched I would hope AND expect that 4K will be the target and NOT 1440p….
Me too bro! It’s a sad thing 980ti can’t keep the framerates up in 4K in todays top games.
That’s exactly what I said.
I have a titan x and a good system and i can achieve 60fps @1440p most of the time but not 100%. No doubt pascal or polaris will run it.
Well the “proposed”specs of big PASCAL (GP100) is twice the Shader count of TITAN X and twice the memory bandwidth. So theoretically performance should be twice as good as TITAN X (at least as good as running TITAN X in SLI but with MORE memory bandwidth on PASCAL). So I guess we’ll see. Regardless I think it will be a good upgrade to my GTX980 SLI setup (especially considering that many new titles don’t seem to support SLI. Let alone the extra memory bandwidth and memory amount over the GTX980).
Yea, SLi support went so down the drain that i think buying the best card (titanx “gm200” or the gp100) will be the best bet for nvidia that it. I do not know which one will be the best for AMD but i think my guess stands. The best gpu from AMD will mostly be better than any crossfire setup overall.
Polaris is not high end.
Well that sounds like a step in the wrong direction for AMD as their Fury X does the same thing but in DX11 at over 70 fps: cdn.sweclockers .com/artikel/diagram/11068?key=cbfd3aeecc78ec51458da15f0d0c89d8
not if the price of the thing is 350 bucks
Where does it say it’s 350 bucks?
I typed not IF the price is 350.. if you have a card that is on the fury x lvl for half the price then damn that is a big win
Well it’s still your speculations, since we don’t know for sure if it’s the top card or not. I understand why they are using Hitman to showcase their Polaris, since AMD cards runs it better than Nvidias.
If it’s the 390X’s replacement, it won’t be over $400, they want to keep it in the same price range & severely undercut Nvidia for extremely similar performance, as they’ve been doing so far. If it’s anything below the 390X, then…. yeah.
If it was the new Fury, they’d be bragging about it to no end, though I doubt it is, considering the specifications they’re running Hitman at. It’s most likely a mid-end card, 480, 480X or so, not the 490/490X.
yeah this is the 980 for 329.. perhaps
You do realise that is unlikely that they were using a high end GPU right?
It might be the case, but they also don’t state that.
They would have made a bigger announcement if it were, like with the Fury X.
Well there were lies baked in the Fury X announcement, So I’m not trusting AMD like I used to. With this announcement, could lead people to think it’s their top card, since they don’t state anything about it, and that could be both good or bad. If it is in fact their entry level card, then 60 FPS in Hitman Ultra/1440p is impressive. If its their Top card, it will only raise doubts of their flagship. Guess time will tell.
Why is it unlikely?
Because it would be a ludicrous result for a new high-end GPU, given that Fury X ran the same HITMAN at 1440p and over 70 FPS (look at the benchmark Oscar linked).
Ah and of course, what Diego Fernando Salazar Proaño said. This is obvious, nobody releases their flagship products with so little hype.
Because every time a high end GPU is announced is with a bombast, like what happened with the Titan X and Fury X.
I can see your point but for the record neither Nvidia nor AMD had a “bombast” for either of those cards. The Titan X was quietly revealed the day after Nvidia’s bombast for the Shield set top and streaming service and the Fury X took back seat at the PCGamer show for E3. Not to mention that the only card actually announced was another dual Fiji card.
For the record I think you’re wrong but it’s all guesswork at this point.
Oscar, Hitman was demoed on Polaris 10 GPU, not 11. That’s the mid-range, if you will. So, to compare…
Polaris 10:
Price: <$350 (targeted price)
TDP: ~100W
Fury X:
Price: $600+
TDP: 275W
Does that sound like the step in the wrong direction?
Yeah, it sounded quite much like a big step in the wrong direction at the time when I posted that comment. John didn’t include the video of the presentation stating it was the Polaris 10 until later. Sorry but you’re late to the party.
Well let’s say it’s the Radeon 480, it still preforms worse than the R9 390, which doesn’t justify a step in the right direction if you take into account it’s an architecture shrink. Let’s compare it to the 970, it was considerably faster than the 780, and they were even on the same 28nm manufacture process.
So to sum it all up for ya: It’s a step in the wrong direction, which is unfortunate, because we need AMD to produce stronger cards so they can take back market shares from nVidia.
No need to be sorry because I was right on time for the party since I posted my comment way before John updated the article. There are other sources, you know.
As for the GPUs themselves, you just sit tight and wait for the release dates. You might just be pleasantly surprised. By the way, no need to be sassy like that. Just…take it easy. Cheers.
You are surprisingly calm and collected, that’s a rarity on this board when responding under this kind of circumstances, thank you for that.
Yeah I know there are plenty of other sources, I’m just too lazy to keep in check with plenty others than DSOG. So the fault lies with me, sorry!
I’m just concerned about AMD, if this is their 480 lineup then the performance is disappointing. We will just have to wait and see as you said.
Cheers!
We’re of the same opinion when it comes to DSOG’s comment section. I’ll say no more. 😉
And I also share your concerns about AMD. They’re in a bad spot and they need Polaris to be a success. I want the good ol’ competition back.
I’d rather see Vulkan being featured a bit more as DX 12 is only good if you’re sporting only one MS OS, while Vulkan will support multiple systems and OS’s.
It’s weird how we went from being more or less somewhat open with 7, to getting to be more closed and anti competitive with 10, Steam OS and Vulkan are looking to support more with Steam in general already supporting way more OS’s than say the specific Windows 10 store which only works for one OS and doesn’t for anyone else.
The closed walled garden eco-system shouldn’t really win out and those that want it to clearly don’t care for competition and only want MS to win, PC is all about being open but Windows 10 definitely isn’t let alone DX 12.
If this is the midrange card then 1440p @ 60fps is awesome, If this is the high end card then that is somewhat disappointing, Current high end cards can already do this.
You can buy a midrange 970 now that can even handle 1440p with options turned down.
Polaris 10 is not high end and it will be affordable, yet great performance for VR etc.
If it’s not high end then the performance for VR will hardly be any different than current high end cards on sale now. Might just match a high end card for less power and price, Nothing wrong with that at all but it isn’t really a game changer that the hype train has had us all believe from both sides.
die shrink, new architecture, new memory interface, That’s three new things that should give a us a huge jump from last gen not some crappy 10-20% increase.
If this demo is any indication, Polaris 10 will be faster than FuryX/980ti.
That Hitman demo was done with locked 60 FPS… meaning, we don’t know the full extent of Polaris 10 capabilities.
There is no hype train involved.
The high-end of the previous generation is moved to the middle ground for this new generation (with obviously more improvements resulting in greater performance) at a much lower price tag.
Besides, the 1080 is not going to be that much faster, considering it will offer about 20% more performance than 980ti/TitanX at about $600 (which would be double the price tag of Polaris 10).
I think people are getting way ahead of themselves and saying a lot of things without understanding the context.
Polaris is not the high-end. That will be reserved for Vega with HBM2.
But, considering Polaris performance, it can easily come close to 1070/1080 (or between them) in terms to performance and still offer a much lower price tag.
At any rate… I wouldn’t say with any definitive resolve that ‘Nvidia’ will top out AMD (for either Polaris, or in the high end segment)… we simply don’t know at this point.
All we have are some numbers which paint an interesting prognosis, but we will have more info later this month
Yeah but maybe that game is super demanding? I mean ROme 2 was kind of hard on the hardware too, especially during HUGE battles.
I only wonder if that 60 fps is from zoomed in or out kind of camera.. I can get 60 with my 770 too, but once i zoom in? Boom. 10 fps.
It’s Polaris 10 (Mid) ~300-349USD Price Point.
Polaris 11 will have Larges Die + 8/16GB HBM (450-550USD maby $650 for Top Model WC)
http://gamegpu(dot)com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Hitman_Beta/Hitman_%D0%B2_DirectX_12_/test/hit_2560_12.jpg
Makes you wonder how many options do you have to turn down in that particular game on a GTX 970 to reach 60 fps on DX12 at 1440p 😉
I got to admit that their filter made me use bad words way less often :).
But yeah, sometimes it’s too restrictive, I don’t get why every comment with a link has to be accepted by admins in order to be publicly visible.
Also, some words, like “r.etarded”, aren’t even really strong, and they seem to be treated similarly to racism.
Yes but anyone with half a brain knows after the titan comes a faster Ti, I just don’t know why people complain when AMD have been throwing out same GPUs for years. Polaris will just be like Maxwell but 2 years late.
Because it used to be less insane, it used to be; “GTX X00-X80.” Period. Then we got the what-was-it-Ti, & since it was so popular, they expanded the Ti line, then we got the Titan, & suddenly Gamers wanted a Titan of their own, so we got a Titan, then we got another, & next thing you know, the GTX 900 line alone has 2-f*cking-Titans, & there’s nobody that can definitively say whether or not we’ll get a 3rd before the Pascal Titan, because it’s become impossible to predict.
AMD’s been lagging behind & they’ve been paying for it in market share, but they’re making a return, especially if they keep to those price ranges.
AMD’s master plan, monopolise the consoles with their hardware ,create a new API that’s biased to your hardware and open source it, give it away for free so the other APIs use it’s code base and ideas, make the major API’s use it, Mantle is dead, we’ve made the other APIs go our way. Mantle was just a pawn in a bigger game to f*ck over NVIDIA because AMD couldn’t do it any other way, just selling cheaper GPUs and CPU, undercutting Intel and NVIDIA was not working.
Polaris is just doing what Maxwell did on 28nm 2 years ago, but AMD are doing it on 14nm.
Finally!!! It’s been a long time coming. Game like Total War Warhammer can really benefit from DX12.
Indeed! With thousands of units the previous versions were always CPU drawcall limited in DX11, especially when zoomed in.
Funny the people hating on 12 remind me of the vista days ha ha to bad to sad 12 is here to stay.
The first polaris GPU’s should launch in june and its rumoured nvidia is launching pascal in May but wont know for sure until GTC next month
Depends on what they launch. I think AMD will launch sooner. Nvidia has been completely silent on launch dates.
#teamamd
So whatt? MY 970 G1 GAMING overclocked +100 core clcok +450 mhz memory will run HITMAN 1440P DSR in DX12 60 fps too. AMD can not compete with Nividia. Nvidia is and will always be the best!
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-03/hitman-benchmarks-directx-12/2/#diagramm-hitman-mit-directx-12-2560-1440
35.7 hitman dx 12 1440p..
maybe he meant minimum details and no AA?
35.7 dx 12 1440p in hitman.. you should be slapped just for that huge lie
For those of you wanting a Vulkan demo remember that DX12 was finalized a lot earlier than Vulkan was.