A lot of PC players have been experiencing traversal stutters in numerous games. And finally, we have a solution for all the traversal stutters that plague the latest PC games. However, there is a catch.
Before continuing, I want to make it crystal clear that this isn’t a magic trick or a placebo effect. The solution is quite simple and we’ll explain later why it works. But before that, here are Star Wars Jedi: Survivor and Redfall without any traversal stutters.
Now if you looked at the framerate, you may have noticed a 30fps lock. And, that’s basically the trick you need to do in order to completely eliminate the traversal stutters in the latest PC games. By using Rivatunner, you can lock your framerate at 30fps. And no, don’t use any in-game frame limiter. Rivatunner’s frame limiter in most cases, and that’s the one we recommend using.
As showcased, Star Wars Jedi: Survivor runs with a flat frametime at 33.3ms, without any stutters while exploring the city of Koboh.
But what are exactly the traversal stutters? Simply put, these stutters can occur whenever the game loads new data during exploration. Most of the times, games divide their huge maps into smaller areas/zones. So, whenever a player visits or returns to different “areas“, the game will load their data. That’s the reason why traversal stutters can be reproduced so easily.
The reason the 30fps lock eliminates these traversal stutters is simple. At 30fps, the time it takes for the GPU to generate a frame is 33.3ms. So, in most current-gen games, SATA SSDs and NVMe SSDs can transfer the data a game needs during that timeframe without issues. Since it doesn’t take more time to transfer the data the game needs for its new/next zone, the game does not drop frames and runs consistently at 33.3ms. By increasing your framerate to even 60fps, you immediately lower the time it takes to generate a frame to 16.6ms. So, if a game needs, let’s say, 25ms to load the data of its next zone from your storage to your RAM, the GPU will halt and you’ll get a stutter. Pretty simple, right?
What you need to understand is that this is mainly a “storage -> RAM” issue. In other words, increasing your CPU power will not result in any improvements. And that’s because the bottleneck is not in the CPU. This is also why you’ll notice longer traversal stutters if you install the game on an HDD. Now if you decrease your CPU power then yes, you’ll get traversal stutters as the CPU may not be powerful enough to handle the amount of data that the game streams. Right now, high-end CPUs can handle the aforementioned games at 30fps without any stutters.
During our tests, we didn’t notice any difference between a SATA SSD and an NVMe SSD. This basically means that PC games can’t currently take advantage of the ridiculously high bandwidth of both the SATA SSD and the NVMe SSD. In theory, DirectStorage may be able to solve this issue, though we’ll have to wait and see.
So, what now? For games that are already out and have traversal stutters, you can experiment with lower framerates. In most cases, a 30fps lock will guarantee you a stutter-free experience. However, in really old games, you may get away with a 60fps lock. Understand that older games needed less data to transfer than current-gen games. Thus, you may be able to get a locked 60fps experience. If not, you can lock the framerate at a lower value until you get a flat frametime graph.
Now I know that 30fps sucks. And, IMO, a 60fps lock with some minor traversal stutters is a better experience than a 30fps locked game. However, this is THE ONLY way you can completely eliminate traversal stutters. In order to fully eliminate traversal stutters at 60fps in the latest games, like Star Wars Jedi: Survivor, there is nothing you can do. Nothing. There is no solution to that. Thankfully, a G-Sync monitor may reduce the side-effect of stuttering. It won’t completely fix it. However, it can make games feel a bit less stuttery.
Lastly, in this article, we are solely talking about traversal stutters. This 30fps lock will NOT resolve the shader compilation stutters. These stutters can only be fixed when a game compiles its shaders at launch.
So, does this mean that all current-gen games will always have traversal stutters? Not at all. But, this comes down to the developers, and whether they can properly optimize their game code. And trust us, there are ways to do this. And no, DirectStorage won’t be necessary for a stutter-free experience. After all, we’ve seen open-world games that can run smoothly on PC, without any stutters, on high framerates. So, it all comes down to the developers themselves, and whether they are capable of optimizing their games for high framerates.
In conclusion, if you want a stutter-free 60fps experience in the games that are already out, like Jedi Survivor or Redfall, you’ll have to wait – and hope – for a major optimization update. However, if you want, here and now, a stutter-free experience, you can get one by locking your framerate at 30fps!
John is the founder and Editor in Chief at DSOGaming. He is a PC gaming fan and highly supports the modding and indie communities. Before creating DSOGaming, John worked on numerous gaming websites. While he is a die-hard PC gamer, his gaming roots can be found on consoles. John loved – and still does – the 16-bit consoles, and considers SNES to be one of the best consoles. Still, the PC platform won him over consoles. That was mainly due to 3DFX and its iconic dedicated 3D accelerator graphics card, Voodoo 2. John has also written a higher degree thesis on the “The Evolution of PC graphics cards.”
Contact: Email
Hehe, im already playing with a 10FPS limit.
You can no longer see any stutters, because it’s stuttering all the time.
Checkmate high FPS peasants.
modern framerate problems require modern solutions.
Try powerful 1Fps limit. Next-gen PowerPoint experience.
??? you won the internet. “Fortify all defenses and get this man a shield”. ??
Traversal stutters is such a huge problem in open-world games. I think it has to do with the game engine that tries to render more objects/textures/models as you move from 1 point to another.
And yet the speed of SSDs and VRAM should be able to eliminate perceptible streaming all together.
Thank you! I hear so many excuses since this title can’t out. People are even blaming fake frames FSR. “If only amd would update their fsr the game could’ve run much better”. Yes, that is the ultimate excuse going around. All of a sudden Fake Frames can fix games and that’s a solution. I’ve heard so many blame game excuse and I don’t know what happened to people. “oh get it in console and it’s because you’re running it in 4k” that’s another excuse I heard.
People have lost their minds about that star wars game. It haven’t occured to them that the game is JUST GARBAGE! just stop buying games at day one, how hard is that. Let the companies bleed. Then they’ll stop doing this. For some reason that concept is a hard one to grasp. Sad part is, a lot of nonsense excuses I’ve seen are from commentors in this site that I respected because you know they know better.
People love defending companies so much. They’ll still do it when they lost their jobs 20 years from now due to robots and AI… Bu bu bu my megacorp :'(
Oh God, that’s a juicy topic that I can’t FUQIN WAIT for. Because these people ACT like robots. Therefore, I can’t tell the difference these days. I have a story for you, gather around the camp fire kids. About 4 years ago I was in Toronto, Canada at a Home Depot. Canada & Toronto will get their own story one day because those people don’t care about liberty & freedom. They are the biggest drones I’ve ever seen. There is a reason why Trudeau is in charge of that county, they love him.
So any ways, ready to make my purchase and walked up to the cashier. I suddenly noticed that they replaced 90% of them with Robots. The lady said, “this way please, it’s quick and easy”. I said, “no, I don’t use self checkout and I never will. I’m here to be dealt with by and support a human”. She said, “oh I understand your concern because a lot of people feel the same way, that we will replaced. But I can assure that we still have work to do in the store, like mopping the floors and cleaning. So we should be ok”. I nearly lost it on that woman. I said, “I’m fighting for you and you won’t even fight for your damn self”. Then I remembered, oh I’m in Canada; the most Bootlicking/passive aggressive capital of the world. I believe that’s the day I stopped caring and I started hoping for the worse for these people.
yes, its a asset overflow issue.
Here is how you can completely eliminate traversal stutters in PC games, including Star Wars Jedi: Survivor and Redfall – Right Click, Uninstall. There, corrected it for ya.
well said man.lMAO.
well said man.lMAO.
Yep brother, sadly the Only sane way, to do it!
Haaahahahaaa. That’s the perfect solution. Guaranteed
Stop giving sh**ty companies your money, there, easy solution.
At least till they fix their sht. We still wanna try this game in 2023, just not in the current horrible state it’s in.
Have my upvote
Their joke but worse.
Did you cut your fingernail too short and want to get rid of the stinging pain? Just cut your arm off!
Work got you down? Just bring an M16 to work and start blasting, you’ll feel better in no time.
Does anyone have a step by step guid how to use rivatuner and lock games to 33.3ms frame delivery?
Open Rivatunner and then set the “Framerate Limit” setting at “30”. And that’s it.
Does it work on jedi fallen order? I’m sure it doesn’t. Because it’s an issue the way texture and assets are streaming. Just like arkham knight but 10x worse. Can only be fixed with modifying streaming management
Got a download link? My anti virus is acting up and Google loves sending me to strange places 😐
Go to guru3d dot com, then check out the downloads page. If you scroll down a bit (or do a keyword search using “RTSS”) you’ll find it. Once you’ve downloaded it just follow what John said.
Alternatively, if you’re running an Nvidia GPU, you can set the FPS lock in your driver settings for whatever game you’re trying to set the lock to, and I think it’s basically the same as RTSS.
If you have nvidia drivers, just use its built-in fps limiter. Amd cards with current driver have equivalent as well (iirc there are two options there, be mindful which one you are using).
Unreal Garbage 4
and i bet you still play games made using Unreal Engine. Your fake outrage is just sad.
It’s impossible to avoid them as the industry has become the most lazy and uninspired POS out there. Instead of creating new engines for their games, these moronic Millenials and Zoomies just rent out the same engine all day.
Just because it has a monopoly doesn’t make the engine any good , you tard.
lol, you’re an unreal fanboy. just admit it and stop living in denial, you ‘tard’
“Fixing” stutter with 30 FPS limit is like fixing arm pain by chopping it off.
The problem here is with the lazy developers and of cource the UE4.
The Gears 4,5 also uses Unreal Engine 4, but these games are stutter free, because the devs (The Coalition) can handle it.
The 30 fps limit is a joke on a modern pc, but unfortunately there is no other option yet. Or a refund if possible…
stop posting idiot, gears is a linear game there is not much to stream like an open world game.
And the Callisto? Isn’t it linear??? Still a stutterfest.
The Redfall may be open world, but it still looks like a circa 15 year old game. There is no excuse for it…
gears doesnt have denuvo
It has Arxan DRM which is essentially the same thing and works the same way as Denuvo …. Rockstar also uses Arxam for their games like RDR2 and GTA5
who knew unreal engine is not made for open world games.
i legit cant believe there are tards who payed 70 bucks for one of those two games.
Hahaha, damn right, there are 7 games that lunch in this state, broken : Forspoken, Wild Hearts, Hogwarts, Wo Long, The last of us, Jedi, Redfall and Starfield is next :)))) And people still preorder games no worries, i got an expression for them. When you are stupid as a child, when you grow up, for you, stupid is just a game.
Stutter vs Slideshow. Sorry, but I don’t spend money on my pc to play at 30fps. Just don’t buy until you know the game works properly.
Stutter vs Slideshow. Sorry, but I don’t spend money on my pc to play at 30fps. Just don’t buy until you know the game works properly.
That’s why inhouse proprietary engines are great. Devs can manipulate it and optimize the way they like. Not like some lazy developers that just slaps unreal engine and made some clunky nonsense and call it a day.
Unfortunately the solution we have today to play recent games without stuttering is to limit the framerate to have the same crappy experience that PS5 and Xbox SX players have playing their games limited to 30 fps on their consoles!!!?
Actually it’s worse because of PC overhead ….. you need to run 40-45 FPS on a PC to get the same responsiveness as 30 FPS on a console because the controllers don’t have to go through a HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) like on a PC …. Basically Nvidia Reflex tries to fix that by bypassing the HAL
Unreal engine 4 has un issue with traversal stutters and the items it can manage. This was never fixed and it became more obvious as the engine is pushed to its limit. This was a promised fixed in Unreal Engine 5. UE 4 is not a good engine at all. Its not meant for open world games. Its for corridor linear shooter games.
THIS^^. See the industry where Men leads vs when women or identifiers lead. The world we see now it’s because of powerful Men leaders that made it possible. Women are good leaders too but very vulnerable to emotional manipulation and taking weak decisions. It’s a simple natural instinct made by Nature itself to make balance.
It’s bizarre that one of the most powerful countries in the world is leading and promoting these non-gender identifiers ruining everything in the process. Its unbelievable and extremely tragic for society and next generation
“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
its bizzare, you have articles complaining that hikers are too white and they need to be more inclusive, mofos low key advocate for been taken by the hand, given tons of money and appointed a position in hiking without actually doing the hiking, they want to be picked up and carried all the way on top of the mountain. This is “affirmative action” and “inclusion” in a nutshell and this is the result.
There is a spiritual war happening and we have lost that war. Every country has joined in on the nonsense because they’ve gotta pay their dues to their master. I knew the world was doomed the moment they started messing with children and no one got up and chop the heads off these people. If they can interfere with children and get away with it. You know it’s over. The humans of today are soft & spineless.
There is over 40 million slaves world wide and more than half of it is in Sexxx. Most are children and nothing is being done about it. And everytime the topic comes to the public, some dumb bimbo in Hollywood talks about how her boss made advances on her, 40 years ago. It’s all to cover up what’s really happening. Then a man gets thrown in prison on trumped up R.I.C.O charges, because they have no proof of this so called sexual advances, HERESAY.
So even the law is corrupt because a RICO charge is a made up law which is a license to throw anyone in jail. Because if you look up the word Racketeering is basically undefined. “Racketeering, The criminal action of being involved in a racket”. It’s like saying, spell the word “Caucasian”. Use it in a sentence please, “I’m using the word Caucasian in a sentence”. Yes, good luck with that Spelling BEE. My point is, we expect justice in a system of injustice.
Everything that makes America Great is what’s aiding to it’s downfall. Just look at the recent Bud light situation. Why would multibillion dollar corporatiom commit suicide? They are doing what their master requires of them. “Show us that you’re committed by tanking billions”.
But do you have the balls to name (((who))) is actually in charge?
Obviously. See my avatar.
Anyways enjoy the bots and astroturfing (like dagoat who is really Dr. Jester). Israel has their kids astroturf forums per the BBC and USA Today. They REALLY come out when there is a vote to censor all comments on DSO. Scroll over the votes and you will see their white supremacist avatars, that they argue with to try to start race wars. Same thing they did with Frank Collin (real name Cohn) and Lauren Southern (real name Simonsen). Ezra Levant (Rebel Media), Shapiro (Matt Walsh’s owner), Milo are all from Breitbart who admitted they were Mossad with the article “Breitbart News Network: Born In The USA, Conceived In Israel.”
Haha, you’re asking the wrong guy that because I don’t know why would anyone be afraid to say who is in charge. There is many answers to that question and it’s not who you think and always wanna blame. Let’s start with one thing, The small hat people are not in charge, they are beneficiaries/bootlickers just like any other devil whorshiper. In this realm Satan is in charge, this is his realm. Everyone on earth is Satans bxtch. In a more physical sense, that everyone can point a finger at something solid, it’s the Swiss Beast a.k.a Knights of Teutonic Order, simply put, The Templars. All based out of Switzerland.
Every world leader is put into power by them. None of these self proclaimed leaders are voted on. But I’m curious as to why you’d think I’d be afraid to name names. Because it really doesn’t matter, no one is going to listen to some guy in a comment section. Therefore nothing will ever change. Besides they already won. Most of y’all are over here blaming/hating each other and worship world leaders that doesn’t give a damn about you. The Swiss Beast have been here a long time and they are responsible for the failed experiment which is America (successful for them).
Well I wrote you this long novel of names and it got deleted. So that should tell you where we stand on this platform. I tried
Time for a tin foil beanie adjustment Bro, yours is obviously way too tight
Every major studio and publisher is headed by a 50+ year old White Guy …. Every …. Last … One
“White”. Epstein, Weinstein, Iger, Bobby Kotick who leads Activision/Blizzard and who was in Epstein’s little black book.
All these companies are really owned by banker fronts like Vanguard and Blackrock as well. The bankers are the same “white” people as the Hollywood CEO’s.
like clockwork, rocksteady should have stayed steady instead of sperging out on leftism….and now they suck.
Good luck finding a female partner with an attitude such as this. Best of luck from a married man with children. Plonker.
do you have this HQ pic??…. seems like very low resolution when i open in new tab
John playing with Motion Blur. Good grief my boy, do you need glasses to see how shtty that looks?
This is not a solution. This is a work around. Click bait title.
Sorry to say but Rivatunner fps limiter sucks. It’s really bad.
Just test it against GPU configuration limiter. It’s so much better.
I was looking about it, limiting my fps from RIVA and the frame time was totally strange. When I remove it and start lock the fps by my GPU configuration I got all the frames at same time no instabillity at all!!!
People need to test it and see a huge difference. Rivatunner is really bad. Try it, see the difference.
What software are you using. What is GPU configuration limiter?
You can limit framerates in the Nvidia Control Panel or AMD Adrenaline without the need for any 3rd party software running in the background and eating up memory and CPU cycles …. Ditto with V-sync, in many games enabling V-sync in the Nvidia Control Panel on a per game basis is better than the in-game V-sync which was often broken especially in games before 2014. However with G-sync/VRR the in-game setting is usually OK and preferred
What really works well is Nvidia Fast V-sync on a 60 Hz monitor because it will allow the FPS to go above 60 for better responsiveness but still send only 60 FPS to the monitor so there is no tearing. It works well on modern games but some older games have problems with it
The big problem with Fast Sync is that it is not supported in DirectX12 games, only DX11 can take advantage of this tech.
How annoying is this traversal stutter aniways? Is it like one second of stutter every 30 minutes or so?
it’s annoying and noticeable. if I look at the holomap the game drops to 5 fps!
So you’re telling us to transform our PCs into a console?
F off John! If I want to play in 30 fps I buy a fvcking peasant machine, not a PC. And if I need to make this change to a game, then I would never buy such game in first place. I won’t be a bootlicker and give shltty devs my money. Sorry, but that’s just stupidity at this point.
Awesome! Its genuinely remarkable post, I have got much clear idea regarding from this post
So to keep the game from ocasionally dropping to 30 FPS, you force it to stay at 30 FPS all the time.
If Windows could implement DirectStorage in a generic way so that all applications can use it then maybe it would solve this mess but this is just speculation.
DirectStorage is no magic wand, to take advantage of it games will need to be coded for it ….. Ditto with Resizable BAR, the reason it doesn’t work that well in many games is they are just not coded for it
With both DirectStorage and ReBAR you have to code a game like a console which have been using both since 2014 which is why they could get decent performance out of such low powered hardware like the AMD Jaguar APUs which were originally designed for netbooks and to compete against Intel Atom but flopped
nv drivers have built-in driver-level limiter, no need for rivatuner these days (if that’s the only thing you need); also in most cases (no idea about jedi in particular) in-game limiter is almost always superior. Also – are there people who play games without VRR monitor these days ? Like wtf.
That aside – suggesting to fix stutters by frame lock to 30fps is ludicrous. Uninstall and require refund is the solution (aka stop giving sh**ty companies your money).
2023 and having to lock a game at 30fps…. better give them all your money
This “fix” of locking at 30 fps (for a PC game), is about as useful as simply installing the whole game on a 128 GB RAM disk.
32 Gb of DDR5 STILL not enough for Unreal Engine and devs that do not bother to tweak some settings for it.
Just imagine the glorious disasters that UE 5 will create.
30fps is not an option. F that!
Did this fa**ot just tell me to play at 30 fps…?
Ah, yes, the Syndrome technique, when every frame is a stutter, none of them are.
Here is what works for me
1) Installing the game to Optane drive, i have 480gb, you can buy 960GB model on sale for like 400$ [mine was 600$ i think when it came out if not higher]
You can get a 120Gb Optane M.2 stick for less money, but only enough for one/two games, great solution for most people, it doesnt need Gen 4.0 slot.
2) Also i have the new 4TB WD 850X NVME that I installed into CPU PCIe lane to minimize latency and this SSD has “Gaming Mode 2.0” toggle to help with loading game data and it works.
3] Optional, if you have 64 or new 96GB RAM [2 sticks] or more, you can use PrimoCache, if you have 64GB and dont run background stuff, use 32Gb to cache your game SSD/HDD and you have 32Gb left for RAM.
Load the game once, play a little, exit.
Load again, it will see that you use it and cache the nececery parts, the parts it see streaming, into RAM cache.
If you wont disable RAM cache and play same game, each time you play it will be smoother and more optimized when it learns which parts it needs to cache and which part it doesn’t. [It has option to save cache to SSD as file on reboot/shutdown, usually its for OS cache but if you play one game until your done, can be use for this]
Going with WD 850x will cost you less than Optane [I managed to grab 4TB from amazon for like 330USD] but maybe not be as good as Optane [Optane just works, it has near 300Mb/s 4K Random reads while the best NVMe today has 90Mb/s and most have 70Mb/s both sata and nvme, thats why they show similar results with games]
Either way i dont have any stutter on both drives, maybe minimal
I tried RedFail for 4 hours on gamepass, 100hz/97fps, tv with VRR, didn’t feel ANY stutter [running from WD drive with game mode on]
I had Frame drops on the counter but never felt them, the combination of VRR and good SSD
Oh try to not run games with 100% GPU load, it makes stutters worse, try to be like 90% load max.
If you have 12/13th gen, use Process lasso to set you games permanently to P-Cores, the soft will save this and keep the game on P cores every time.
If you have 8 P cores, most games can be set to disable HT mode [a feature of PL], what it does it disables everything expect 8 hardware P cores, no HT, no E-Cores
It works for 90% of games, but some new ones prefer HT and to get 16 threads
I noticed load on all 16 Threads in many games, but thats probably the shader compile, after its done you can go to 8 P cores
BTW talking about process lasso, i permanently set all the non game stuff like web browsers, media and other soft to just use the 16 E-Cores.
So P cores are only left for windows and gaming
Are you trying to play the game or create a fusion reactor?
Its a hobby, im computer enthusiast first and gamer second.
Honestly thou my tips are not extraordinary complicated or expensive [except Optane]
I do it for fun
Haha I know right. ??? Because hand t engines do not utilize those NVme speed. Trust me I know & we all know this. The only reason to use NVme for gaming is because it’s the same price as standard SSDs, so why use SATA tech when you can use pcie tech. But that fusion reactor comment has me in stitches. Thanks man… But I ain’t no better, I have NVme Quad card running in RAID 0. That’s as fast as you can get and it don’t mean a damn because once again lazy a$$ engines. Gaming use to set the precedent for tech, not it’s holding everyone beck.
WTF?!!
Lemme build a $3K gaming rig (with a ~$1600 video card), and then lock my games to 30fps for “smooth” experience! GTFO!
We are to blame those who give their money to these incompetent imbeciles. DON’T BUY THIS GARBAGE, PERIOD!
Haha, you & I have been ranting and raving on here for years and nothing has changed. It’s the blind leading the blind man. Nothing will ever change, I for the same thing you type countlessly. Only this time they’ve really crossed the line with all this foolishness, they still want to play it. John is telling people to play at 30 FPS. I think the rumors about him being an Unreal/epic schill is true. I like the guy and didn’t want to believe it but this is just wrong.
It haunts pcgaming more than it does to console
Unreal 4 asset streaming simply sucks and it’s always been this way. 60 locked still has the traversal stutter but it’s not as bad as high fps. 75 seems to be a nice middle ground cus it feels stupidly better than 60 but still has about the same stutter.
75 frame gen mod with NVCP integer sharpening to solve frame gen softening is probably the holy grail for Jedi Survivor. I don’t care about Star Wars anymore though. Let someone else test it.
Also any Unreal game that ships without framegen is basically robbing someone of a good experience if they have a 4000 series GPU. AMD is working on frame gen for a reason. They also bribed EA with cash to keep framegen off Jedi Survivor for a reason. They know what the next few years is gonna be like as almost all big games in dev are Unreal.
30 fps in 2023…what kind of sick joke is that?
Hard to by what you are selling when you look at a path traced like cyberpunk 2077 over drive that is throwing around 4k ray traced textures all over the place. This is just really bad programming if they are loading more data than transfer rates can handle unnecessarily on PC titles. It shows a blatant disregard for PC ports and shouldn’t be supported in turn, but I do hope they work out their issues with Jedi survivor by the time it hits gamepass, because that is when I intend to check it out. ^__^
As long as you intend on checking it out, they have no reason to stop the rubbish that they do. It will sell regardless. Until people stop buying from software games these devs will always do this because from software games release on the same fashion and they are they highest selling games of all time. My advice to those that still love gaming, find a new hobby because your love for this thing is the reason why they treat you the way they do.
How to improve fps: Play at 720p
Clickbait, I did this years ago to make some games more smooth on a GTX 770, locked the fps to 30 in riva, I was surprised someone make an entire article about the fps lock