Things are about to get really interesting this year. We all know that AMD is about to its release its new Ryzen CPUs. And while most gamers are looking forward to it, it appears that Intel will not stand still and lose the fight. During its Investor Day event last week, Intel revealed that its eighth-generation Coffee Lake CPUs will be released in the second of half of 2017.
The new Coffee Lake CPUs will be based on a 14nm process, and are reported to be offering a 15% performance boost over the Kaby Lake CPUs.
Intel has not revealed yet the full Coffee Lake lineup, though we are almost certain that it will include all sorts of models; from the regular dual-core models to the high-end eight-core and even ten-core models for enthusiasts.
It will be interesting to see how much these new chips will cost, especially if AMD decides to release its Ryzen CPUs at the reported/rumoured challenging prices.
All in all, things are – finally – getting interesting, so we are really looking forward to both Intel’s and AMD’s brand new CPUs!
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I honestly think they have done nothing but increase clock speed and TDP similarly like with that they did for Kaby Lake.
There is also suppose to be a hexa-core Coffee Lake APU model.
All Intel CPUs are APUs with the exception of server processors and the 2011 socket.
No sh*t o_O
Then why specify? Why not just say a six core cpu?
b/c a CPU has no iGPU and an APU has an iGPU. There is a difference.
Semantics and you know it.
“reported to be offering a 15% performance boost over the Kaby Lake CPUs.”
More like 5% and still charging 170$ for 2 cores.
Well, they make good implements for delidding processors.
…Yes, I went there.
I was thinking:
Reported to be offering a 15% performance boost over the Kaby Lake CPUs? They managed to increase Skylake clock speeds by another 15%? 😉
You know what i didn’t notice that so maybe a clock speed improvement with 5-7% more IPC ha ha so amazing
It’s the same core as Skylake still. There will be 0% IPC improvements. They can only up the clocks.
so your saying i don’t have to upgrade my i72600? nice
As long as you keep a GTX 9xx/Rx 3xx or older card you can keep it, but don’t expect it to perform fine with current/new cards
So if i get a 1180 or 1170 that are coming in a few months my 2500k will bottlecked them? I have GTX 970 G1 GAMING now. What cpu will these cards need to not be bottleneced?
Definitely, that 2500k is already past its limit with your 970, a 11xx card would be crazy on that.
But if i buy a Ryzen X1700 it will be more then enough right?
That i don’t know, nobody knows the real performance of ryzen, but it’ll probably have less ipc per core than intel
How does that have any bearing on how newer GPU’s should perform? Because a Core i7 2600 is just as fast if not a bit faster than a Core i5 7400 in games. Unless he’s going for really high end GPU’s (above GTX 1070), he’s fine.
I fail to see the logic in here. -.-
Oh well the logic is pretty simple: raw speed isn’t the only thing that matters here. Sandy bridge is a pretty old arch, also whoever buys a high-end/enthusiast video card with a i5 7400 is a complete idiot.
Who wants to build a new system now must get rid of old cpus such as SB in order to make te whole system like it should. Keep in mind that we’re not talking of years ago, the situation changed, video cards are much faster than once compared to cpus, and plus nowaday games aren’t really optimized and don’t really get the maximum out of every piece of hardware.
Well, if you’re going with a high end GPU, of course you’re going ti need a high end CPU, duh.
Still, old arch or not, Sandy Bridge is still alive and kicking, especially since Intel have been offering next to no reason to buy their new CPU’s, since performance gains are still rather small. I mean, you can get a used i7 2600 for the price of, if not less than a Core i3 6100 and the former destroys the latter. The only Kaby lake CPU worth buying now, if you’re a money conscious buyer at least… is the G4560. Not anyone is willing to shell out top dollar for the latest and greatest and enthusiasts always go with the smart buy.
Hope Ryzen will give Intel a whoopin and force Intel to lower their stupid prices.
Sandy bridge isn’t kicking sht anymore, i have a 2600k @ 4.5ghz and the only reason i haven’t changed it is because the gpu i have now is even older, a gtx 580 and there’s not even a hint of bottleneck or similar, both high-end cpu and gpu, no problems. I agree if we talk about swapping from a 4xxx to kabylake, but from SB to Haswell there’s already a difference, from SB to kabylake there’s much more than just a difference. Buying that g4560 everyone is talking about and sticking it with a high end gpu is also very stupid, considering such cpu isn’t surely a proof of future i wouldn’t buy it except i’d have to build a budget system
Well, I thought it was implied I was talking more about budget builds…
True, if you want something more futureproof, might as well go with what’s available now, or wait for Ryzen… but for budget builds, Sandy and Ivy Bridge (and even Haswell to a certain extent) offer stupidly great value… espscially the i7’s… Hell, Xeons are probably better, like the E3 1230 v1 2 and 3.
I feel bad for people that already bought kaby lake, lol.
I like coffee. But.. . . a lake of coffee is too much.
So when there’s no real competition Intel dripfeed us with circa 5% improvements from one CPU generation to the next but when meaningful competition is now on the horizon they’re able to magic up an improvement of circa 15%.
THIS is why we need AMD (or whomever else) to be providing meaningful competition!
See what competition does? GPUS are becoming about 100% more powerful each year and the same thing must start happening in gpu too.
even with fierce competition we will not going to see bigger performance leap with gpu. first it has to do with even more difficult die shrink. and as much we want bigger leap each year it seems both AMD and nvidia kind of agree to slow that down for us.
nvidia still coming out with new gpu each year but the performance increase is more like side step instead of bigger leap. if you already own 980ti you have no reason to get 1080 unless you strictly want fastest performance (OCed 980ti is still quite remarkable). now a few years back if you have GTX285 you definitely have a good reason to get GTX480 (despite the power hog) because 480 is almost twice as fast as GTX285.
on AMD side it seems they are comfortable to only coming out with new flagship for every 2 years or so since 7970?
7970 –> 2011
290X –> 2013
Fury X –> 2015
Vega –> 2017
Years ago xx80GTX series was using their top GPU, while today Nv use their top GPU only in titan series. TitanXP is almost 2x as fast compared to 980ti so performance difference in their new generation is still nice
but those 8800 ultra are not cheap 😛
anyway that’s why i said side step. instead of offering titan xp performance for $600-700 they gave us 1080 instead. nvidia are saving that titan xp performance for 2017 in form of 1080ti. unless you willing to pay that massive $1200 in 2016.
to be honest i was not expecting nvidia to release pascal based titan in 2016. but it seems nvidia have different motive for titan XP. remember the card have unlocked INT 8 performance. i think nvidia wants to entice deep learning developer to use their platform. so they try to lure them in with that “cheap” titan instead of getting their super expensive tesla from the get go. they need as many developer to be on board on their platform at this early stages of deep learning boom because other deep learning player also not sitting still.
Yes but it seems that from now we will start seeing big improvements in cpu perfomance too and not just gpu. The next big leap in gpu perfomance will happen in 2018 with the release of pci 4.0 GDDR6/HBM2 gpus. This year we will get just a pascal refesh but as iam GTX 970 owner on 1440p monitor even the GTX 1080 will be huge upgrade(for 1440p 60 fps max settings since my 970 already runs almost evrything maxed 1440p with more than 30 fps). But should i get GTX 1180 or should i wait for PCI 4.0 GDDR6 in 2018?
AFAIK not even PCI-E 3.0 pose any bottleneck with current GPU. personally i don’t really mind about things like GDDR6 or HBM. as long as the gpu is fast enough then it’s good to me. right now i’m using 970 with 1080p monitors. most likely i will skip this gen altogether and wait what AMD/nvidia will have in 2018. 2018 will be nvidia volta time. for AMD i’m not too sure but if they still following that 2 year cadence at that time but if they did we might not going to see anything faster than Vega from AMD until 2019 time frame.
personally i was hoping to replace my 970 with something like 1070/980ti performance but at RX480/GTX1060 pricing.
Tbh I was hoping more for 25-30% perf gains, baby steps I guess.
But will they be faster and cheaper than Ryzen or will they have the same perfomance but cost 600 euros more than them?
They’ll be faster (15% faster than anything now whereas Ryzen is on par, not faster than existing Intel tech), but significantly more expensive.
But if they are not faster than ryzen x1700 and 1800 and have a chepaer prince than them then no one will buy them.
Intel brand loyal people will buy them as long as they are faster, period. Same as nvidia. Price doesn’t matter if you’re top in performance, “high end” cultists will pay any price, and then again a year later.
Of couse they are in panic mode because as we see in this benchmark ryzen 320 euros 8 core beats 6900k that costs 1100 euros.
They should be in panic. I love intel, but they brought nothing ground breaking for the past 2 architectures, performance wise that is.
But the question is now how can amd sell for 390 a cpu that intel sells for 1100 euros? There is a 700 euro difference here that huge! Why dosent intel sell 6900k for 390 euros too? But the biggest question will be how much faster than 6950k is X1800. If X1800 beats 6950k that is currently the fatest intel cpu…. and costs only 500 euros then intel will be in a LOT of trouble. They will have to make 7900k and 7950k canoon lake 30%+ faster and sell them at 390 and 500 euros too in order to compete with amd.
Easy answer. Market dominance. Just like nvidia, intel is shoving high prices down our throats. I’ll probably never buy amd but i’m FREAKING glad they’re back with a bang because man, as consumers we’re getting raped.
Not so simple. Intel has been hemorrhaging money to get the architecture changed and they want to recuperate that investment. They are working in getting it to 10nm but they’re running into complications and they are getting diminished returns. It is not as simple as selling it for less. That is why they’re cutting now 11% of their work force. From a business practice it makes sense, but apparently at Intel, there is a bad work environment.
Oh well.
Looks like Intel is in panic mode, being forced in blowing its Coffee prematurely. Wonder if Ryzen has anything to do with it?
KEK what’s next? Baby Lake?
i3: Cappuccino Lake
i5: Latte Lake
i7: Mocha Lake
Extreme: Expresso Lake
Q2 so April-June. But will they be faster tnan ryzen and less expensive? if yes if mght be worth waiting until their release.
15% of a pitiable boost, yet they will no doubt cost a ton more, because it’s Intel.
If they want to sell that extra 15% to beat out Ryzen, then they will have to sell it at a cheaper price.
But the question is now how can amd sell for 390 a cpu that intel sells
for 1100 euros? There is a 700 euro difference here that huge! Why
dosent intel sell 6900k for 390 euros too? But the biggest question will
be how much faster than 6950k is X1800. If X1800 beats 6950k that is
currently the fatest intel cpu…. and costs only 500 euros then intel
will be in a LOT of trouble. They will have to make 7900k and 7950k
canoon lake 30%+ faster and sell them at 390 and 500 euros too in order
to compete with amd!
I think the question is, how can AMD sell $1000+ CPU for a third of Intels price? How much money is AMD losing on each CPU, sure Intel has inflated prices and have been charging top RnD dollar but the 6900K most likely costs more than $300 to manufacture.
DAMN IT! I ordered tea lake, not coffee lake.
That site is down.
Here is an alternative link to that story -> http://www.pcgamer.com/amd-confirms-there-will-be-no-ryzen-drivers-for-windows-7/
well in the nut shell they said while AMD will be doing testing for windows 7 they will not going to release drivers for win 7 for actual production.
Then why do testing?
you need to ask AMD for that.
The answer is no. Get off of Windows 7 already.