Pirate scene group 3DM, best known for cracking earlier versions of Denuvo, has announced that it will stop releasing cracks for single-player games this year. According to 3DM’s leader, Bird Sister, this is done in order to measure the impact of cracks on PC sales, however we are certain that Denuvo played a huge part in this decision as well.
As Bird Sister claimed:
“We just had an internal meeting. Starting at the Chinese New Year, 3DM will not crack any single-player games.”
Bird Sister concluded that the group will take a look at the situation in a year’s time to see if genuine sales have grown.
Back in January, 3DM stated that the latest version of the Denuvo anti-tamper tech was making things really difficult for them. In fact, it was/is so difficult to crack this latest version of Denuvo that the group’s cracking guy almost gave up his attempts.
We are pretty sure that the latest version of Denuvo played a big part in 3DM’s decision to suspend its attempts at cracking single-player games.
All in all, the latest version of Denuvo seems to be doing a great job as it has not been cracked yet. And due to its success, we expect more and more developers implementing it in their games.
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well let’s hope they get more games on PC!
Console peasants just lost another argument in the endless layers of their stupidity. I am overjoyed.
wait today the pc gaming It is in crisis,….the console have more games and they make more money…
we must wait some years for the Renaissance….
I hope this is sarcasm and not just another layer..
It’s not sarcasm, just plain stupidity.
pc gaming is making more money than all consoles combined google it.
console pesants dont need pirated games and grey market cd keys sites like pc gamers do…lol
lol sure they dont.. all of those bargain bin sales ect ect ect..
lol lol
“need”
This is not an argument really.
“cant” is an argument like you “cant” rent games on pc.
Dont need or just dont have? Game rentals and used sales are infinitely more damaging than the so called grey market CD key websites…
no they are physical copies..when you sell you honda or what ever you drive do you give honda their cut?..nope.if you buy a ps4 from a pawn shop do you give sony its cut?..see what im say its completely different.
Well you answered your own stupidity. Where do you think those CD keys on CD key websites initially come from?
Sony it’s your moment Now to release The last of us on PC just joking guys 😀
Ha! Corporate greed never changes.
well my grandma said 2016 gonna be a bad year 🙂
No more pirated games, let’s see their excuses for the crappy ports now..
“Bloody Pirates!”
;D
Implying 3DM are the only group that cracks games.
The only that cracked denuvo. CPY just found an exploit which is long patched now.
But not all games are going to use Denuvo so there for they’ll still be pirated games. DraculaTheImpaler is saying there won’t be
>All in all, the latest version of Denuvo seems to be doing a great job
as it has not been cracked yet. And due to its success, we expect more
and more developers implementing it in their games.
You are Denuvo’s manager?
He’s just stating what is going on ffs.
Sorry, i don’t get this nicety.
What’s there not to get? The article is simply stating that Denuvo is seemingly successful and pirates are losing their sh*t, which in turn is good news for anyone but the freeloaders.
why you so angry, some of pirates stole your girlfriend?
Lol, no… sorry if I sounded angry, I’m really not. Apologies if I came across that way.
Yeah good news for no demos, good news for higher prices and milking, good news for crappy ports. Because batman arkham knight sold so well with denuvo and the crappy port.
hmm lets see, make a proper pc port or spend hundrends of thousands of drm and redirect the development team to make dlc before the game is even out?
Piracy never helped anything in the first place. Consumers can regulate prices through the most effective weapon… “wallet votes”. Anyway, I look forward to greater co-operation from developers now. No more excuses for console-first.
“Piracy never helped anything in the first place”
well it helped me for H&MM6, i bought them complete edition, it didn’t work for weeks, used a crack and baam. even now on DAI, i can play the game that i already own but due to greed and forcing me to activate in every 72 hours, with a crack i can play it whenever i want.
Did you try mailing customer support? I’m not discouraging you from using cracks to play a game you legitimately bought, but since you were a paying customer, you had the right to demand support for this issue.
And does Inquisition really ask you to activate the game every 72 hours? I don’t have the game myself so don’t know much about it. But I’m unable to find anything on this yet. Can you please explain this in more detail?
yeah, i have 4 unanswered tickets from Origin, it’s like they just ignored me.
it started from april of 2015. i ran DAI (offline) it said you have to go online to activate you game (because it won’t work after 72hours being offline, all of denuvo titles from 72hours to 10day and GTAIV) i connected to origin it activated, then i went offline and tried to run it, it said you have to update your game and you can’t play the game until you update first. tried updating it, it took me hours (EA servers issues over here), then it worked, 3 days later same thing happened but didn’t even start updating at all, waited months but no answer and an unplayable 60$ game. at the end of the year i saw a crack + latest patch then i applied it and it ran offline.
yeah, GTAV/DAI these two game treat you like a thief, you are a thief unless we check you every 72hours. in BAK it’s 10days. their DRMs create a token on your PC and that has a countdown timer, depends on the publisher i guess. you download the game, you activate it first, it’s ok, but being offline for three days, they won’t work anymore. that’s how it hurts legit buyers like me. imagine if in a few years they stop supporting those games. i even started a thread on GTA’s official forums about this so i can mod and play my games offline but the result ? fanboys who said i’m entitled and it’s Rockstar’s right to protect their games even if it’s not in thier EULA.
Can you please link me to that thread you made? I like to see if I can find any leads from it. My Google searches are not throwing up anything unfortunately, so I can’t tell if it’s something with the game itself, or whether it’s some sort of bug.
which thread ? the one i made in GTA forums ?
support…rockstargames…com/hc/communities/public/questions/206951018–DRM-Dear-Rockstar-can-you-please-treat-your-customers-a-little-bit-better-
they were more but i don’t have the links
Thanks, I’ll take a look at it soon and reply here if I find anything useful.
😉 thanks
first pic is DAI and not being playable untill i update the game. don’t have a pic for it’s activation. second pic is for GTAV’s activation screen for being offline for 3 days. it needs to go online to activate the game every 3days of being offline.
activating GTA = removing your mods or it says your game is corrupted. (manualy should be removed and after activation and update you have to download the new version)
Okay it seems your internet is not being detected, right? Have you tried running Origin with Admin privileges? I came across a few posts like this. It was suggested to to run Origin as Admin in order to fix it.
Edit: Hold on I’m typing the rest.
well yeah, i am the admin of my PC. well for gta i tested it with both win7 and 10 on my pc, same happens for both after 3days. it’s related to DRM, those people having problem with activation even when they are online, it’s not the case for me, it just needs a 2second internet connection to activate itself after being offline for three days.
You know that 3DM is not the only pirate Scene exist?!!. Wait and see.
3DM is not in SCENE group.
We have 2h demo in all games on steam.
nope you will get banned from refunds if you abuse the system
3DM members have to walk the plank now.
Spoiler alert: It won’t change a sodding thing, games that don’t sell will continue to not sell, people that won’t buy day one will continue to not buying day one.
It’s not like all of a sudden “Oh well, that game isn’t available as a free download now, guess I’ll have to come with $60 bucks and download on steam” and the game industry goes “Oh boy, look at all those sales we’re getting, we should totally launch and support our games on PC!”
Things probably won’t change (much) in developed countries, but it will indeed increase sales in developing economies, since most people there are so used to pirated games that most of them don’t even realize it’s illegal, or that Steam offers proper legit games for cheap.
Wait and see.
No thanks, I’m not interested in the activities of thieves.
And why are you here?!!
Not sure I understand you, but you’re asking why I’m here? I’m here because I’m a PC gamer and this news interests me. Hope that helped.
“No thanks, I’m not interested in the activities of thieves”
But this news is about thieves activities.
Yes, about thieves not being able to steal. In other words thieves not indulging in activities of theft, get it?
I get it. You are an idiot. Stop posting.
It was a half-serious retort and more importantly wasn’t intended for you. Therefore I suggest you either get a sense of humor or better yet, follow your own advice about not posting and bugger off, idiot.
Brazil here, so from my perspective, it won’t change, all of a sudden no one I know would start buying because it isn’t “available for free” anymore.
When I was a pirate I didn’t, if a crack wasn’t available I moved on to another game that was, simple as that.
Well, Brazil is definitely catching up and is well on its way to being developed, so I suppose things are comparatively better there as far as “buying” games is concerned. Either way it’s good to hear your perspective and I wish your country and your people great success.
HAH thanks I guess, but the economy in this country is a mess atm, so yeah, I got some more motives to think that this isn’t going to change soon, lol.
Yeah, they are catching up with destroying the rain forest, one football field/second, let’s give them some big applause….
I was commending Brazil’s improving economy and working middle class. I’m not too familiar with Brazilian environmental policies or any other governmental policies for that matter, and hence won’t comment on them. But if it’s something that harms the well-being of the people, then obviously that’s not something I support.
I never had that perspective because for a long time I didn’t have a decent PC, I just wanted to play that game at that time
and “What? 15% to 25% of a monthly wage on a single game? F that!”
Things got better with Steam sales and regional prices (and work, and my patience in waiting to play a game lol) but still I hardly (not to say never) buy day one, still a lot of money.
$1 “Obama buck” is around R$ 4 (Brazilian Real) today.
Our minimum monthly wage today is around $224 (R$880).
$60 will sit around R$ 234.
So roughly 25% of a monthly gain on a single game (day one).
On Steam, sometimes we get deals that brings it to 20% or 15% (around $45~$50 bucks day one) and that still pricey for a single game.
So yeah, I know you guys feel like getting shafted but so does us around here. In fact I think everybody is getting shafted all around the world, but some places get more lube.
That’s why you have Nuuvem, and Steam regional pricing. Tomb Raider costs 130 R$ on Steam.
Yup 🙂
sad part is, there is no regional pricing over here, even on sales we buy games with US dollars. and minimum wage is around 240$. even with that i still manage to buy all my PC games (i make a little more than that a month), but i like to have an ability to own what i bought forever. that means the s**tier the DRM, less likely i buy the game unless there is a crack so i can play the game lets say 5 years from now without problems.
Thankfully, with Iran’s sanctions lifted, I believe it’s about time they introduced regional pricing for Iranians.
i hope so (steam supports it but they are waiting for official words, i can select our currency but it wont work yet), but still nvidia/intel/adobe/google/apple/EA sanctions are there, i can not download nvidia drivers without vpn or nvidia’s site without it, lol.
There are enough sites where you can buy games with a huge discount. If it’s that expensive, don’t buy anything on release, play what you have, and buy them with 50%+ discount. Games are getting cheap very quickly these days.
I’m saying this because regional pricing bring its own problems, trust me. Some games will be blocked, some you will be unable to gift to your friends, and pretty much everything will be regionally restricted so you will be unable to launch them from other countries.
yeah, even rise of tomb raider was region locked, it wasn’t avaliable in here lol.
The answer to that would be because the local purchasing power of developing nations is roughly ten times that of developing ones. And even then developing nations pay more overall when you consider other products due to import taxes and no local manufacturing.
Local purchasing power means the ability of an individual to afford a commodity or product. This is directly influenced by income. So in effect, the games are priced according what what the consumer can actually afford. 60$ is still affordable in developed nations, but absolutely out of scope of those in developing nations where 60$ is more than half of someone’s monthly salary. Therefore, consumers in developed nations are already getting the cheapest price as per their own economic standards.
And some well-known products are manufactured in developing nations, but only as part of OEM agreements. That’s why, for example, Apple products in China are still expensive, even though a large part of them are manufactured and assembled locally.
There was a small error in my previous comment where I typed “developing” instead of “developed”. I’ve edited it. Sorry for the confusion.
Also, I’m using “affordability” in a very loose sense to give you the gist of matters. Affordability itself is subjective in strict economic terms, but nevertheless is sufficient to get the idea across in a casual discussion.
Usually you can buy a PC game from a “first world” country for a 40-50$ on release, if you have a brain. The gap is less than you think. considering how quickly games become cheap these days.
Without regional pricing publishers and developers will see the middle finger from these countries and regions. After introducing regional prices in CIS and Brazil they became the fastest growing regions on Steam.
No one is selling games for 9$ that costs 60$. Not sure where you got that from. The absolute lowest is 15-20$, and this price is usually for a small amount of regions. Most of the regions have a price between 30 and 60.
As I said, this is the lesser evil, because otherwise these regions will give 0 profit, and people will simply pirate games due to their price. Before regional pricing I did exactly that (mostly), but now my Steam account costs around 4500$.
That was most likely a mistake or something like an exception. RotTR costs 30$ on Steam for CIS regions.
You know the answer. They can’t sell games with lowest price in every region. They sell them with reduced prices for specific countries, because it’s the only option to gain profit from them. I hope you understand that getting some profit is better than getting none.
same thing goes for people who use g2a,kinguin and gmg.those grey market cd keys sites.just as dirty to me.
You guys buy sega genesis i heard because consoles are too expensive.
Man, that console will never die here, TecToy (the partner here) still launch selling that thing like water in the desert. It is mind boggling.
But is more for the kids though, I find it kind of cool that some parents still can teach their children about the games of yore lol.
I, myself, was a pirate too some years ago. But playing an original game on Steam (or on XBL, because I have an Xbox One beside my PC, love gaming, don’t care the platform, gaming is gaming on every platform!) is so much more fun.
Literally can’t go back to pirating games, it’s just feel wrong – tried last year with The Witcher 3, it was an awful feeling to playing an illegitimate copy.
Thank you so much, people like you remind me why I fell in love with PC gaming in the first place!
Its not only PC gamers that have to support it. Game devs also have to do a good job. In the recent years.. its been kind of bad.
Broken/buggy games.
Boring games
Short games
Bad ports
Horrible prices and DLC
The list can go on and on.. If they want to make more money, they should start making good games. Its always been this simple.
I agree. It’s a two-way street. Developers have to hold up their end of the deal as long as gamers hold up theirs. Poor products won’t translate into good sales figures.
Not always. I’m in India and have many friends who have stable jobs and can easily afford to buy multiple games. Yet when they hear I buy games, they ask me, “Are you serious? You could’ve just asked me and I’d burn it on disc for you”. So it’s not always a cost problem but a mentality problem as well.
This proves that you are the exception not the rule.
I know. And that’s what worries me because I’m the one who’s actually going “by” the rules, not “against” them.
I dont think that way, most people who pirated games were never potential customers anyway.
We speaking of people who can afford games, in that case, most of those buy them.
Well that’s exactly what I said, but yeah I guess it depends on how much they actually “want” to play a certain game assuming they can afford it in the first place.
No, not everyone. But there is a prevailing majority who are just not aware that torrenting something isn’t legal. They believe games are actually “meant” to be obtained that way, which is pretty dangerous if you ask me.
But I think I should add something… a lot of these people who eventually become aware, STILL wouldn’t be willing to pay for a game, because they’ve been used to free stuff for so long. These people would simply resist their temptation to cave in and pay up. And that’s exactly where I think you’ve hit the nail on the head in your previous comment.
yep they will go to the next xheapest thing grey market cd key sites like g2a.
But the games are priced (unethically) at rock-bottom prices there to counter that, as we saw with Rise of the Tomb Raider being a mere 9 US dollars when purchased via the Windows Store with the region set to Ukraine, or $13 when the region was set to India.
I live in Costa Rica and I buy games, and a lot of people buy consoles and games on Steam.
That’s assuming they’re even available in their country in the first place, though, & if they are, assuming they’re not hilariously disgracefully overpriced for some moronic reason, the way Australia keeps getting hit.
Well Australia recently introduced their R18 rating, I believe? Previously some games couldn’t be sold there because the Australian government decided the content was too quote-unquote sensitive to be sold in the country. Syndicate is one which I can think of as an example of a game which didn’t make it to Australia due to this.
no im sure you will use g2a right and get it for $35/if you can get it free why pay full price right?
I don’t use G2A, GMG or what have you, since I don’t have a international CC or paypal account, so if you can, tone down your stupidity and try to be more smart next time.
Right, why pay full price? That additional cash would go to the distributor.
Exactly, but i want to see with what excuse they will come up now. Just cause 3 Received massive promotion with youtubers, cant say the sales are that great.
No piracy to argue, so what is left?
Some MORONS actually thing that pc has less exlusives or pc games are expensive due to piracy. No it is Greed. This will prove it. After all wasteland 2 got a console release.
they will (are) atacking steam sales.
Speaking of steam it might have some good sales/deals but overall it is more expensive than retail.
if you buy in day 1, yes. but we like steam for its sales, not for day 1.
That’s a good point.
That is all fine and dandy, but unfortunately I have to burst your bubble. I am a member of an Iranian forum, and I can show you many examples of people buying the new Tomb Raider after they found out it can not be cracked. I cant say how many extra copies they sold, but you cant deny that it lead to SOME sales at least.
yeap but those copies are not sold at 60bucks, most of the people like this will just scam nvidia promo codes or key resellers and buy it for 10 bucks
That was just an example, and what you say is just stipulation. I have see the same for other games, such as Fifa 16 and Dragon Age as well.
Oh I know some sales will be happening (I’m making a deliberate use of hyperbole here) because if you read the other comments, this is a minority, a tiny tiny exception, on the “grand scheme of things” this would mean nothing (just like piracy numbers).
Of course it does, just not the 40% they claim on Denuvo website, because it just doesn’t make any sense. I can’t understand how they came up with those projections. But yeah, naturally sales will increase, even if only slightly.
Couldn’t agree more.
I partially agree. There won’t be an hypothetical increase of 40%, like they claim on the Denuvo website, but it’s safe to assume the sales will be somewhat higher than if the game was cracked from day 1.
Seems like someone paid a hefty sum to these 3DM guys, so they would stop making cracks and start spreading misleading rumors about Denuvo’s capabilities. The only reason why it so hard to crack is because 64bit debugging tools aren’t as advanced as 32bit, not because it’s a good “DRM”.
I wouldnt doubt it.
What if all games use Denuvo in the future, will you stop gaming all together?
Good news and good riddance to freeloaders. Now its time for developers to step up their PC commitment in full earnest.
Yeah man time for even more multiplats, nothing holding bad ports bad, no more excuses,higher prices, microtransactions and dlc.
Pirates are free loaders for a reason, publishers are because people are stupid enough to pay 60 bucks plus more for dlc.
I wrote another comment regarding “wallet votes”. I think that’s the best weapon like I stated. And publishers are getting more weary these days, thanks to Steam reviews being plastered on a game’s store page.
It’s going to change… Free AAA games is going to be more complete… after some mounts or a year We are going to see Just Cause 3 and another new crap with all DLC’s and patched to the latest version free on torrents website.
You stupid f*ckrs, that think this crap will make games sell more. I say it will do the opposite, I will never support this DRM crap never. And im sure many says the same. For the devs that uses it should not have a penny. It will be cracked and I will download those games for free then.
Soon the PS4 are totaly hacked, team Cobra are hard at work releasing a USB dongle. So thats what I will get and enjoy PIRATED games for free, as I allways says, console games should be free 😉
Pc is the only plattform worth supporting with your hard earned cash!
I have still yet to see a cracked version of “Rise of the Tomb Raider” for PC 🙂
Both Just Cause 3 and Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Saving PC gaming from itself, one single-player title at a time. This is GREAT!!
Scene groups will never quit. So its going to be business as usual as far as they are concerned.
i guess your g2a will sky rocket in sales.if i couldnt get it for free thats where id go next right?
When will you realize that these third party retailers get those keys from the the Publishers themselves. A sale is a sale whether its sold from Steam directly or from a third party retailer. Still much more profitable than used games on consoles or a pirated copy.
i dont know about that reloaded and skidrow seem to have made less of a impact the last few years.
its good to be pirate if games are bad optimized just crack them lock them to 30 FPS plug a controller and play them as they are!
good optimized games get it on Steam with full price or why not steam sales and enjoy a good PC content 60+ FPS ofc!
Romanian 1GB RDS detected !
yes i do have crazy internet speed!
Ce viteza ai ?
lmao…couldnt deal with anti-piracy techs…
#GoVegan
#Steam
#battlefield cracked
#lords of the fallen cracked
#dragon inq cracked
all Denuvo games already cracked.
That isn’t all of the games which have Denuvo Anti-Tamper.
no clue and no one else probably know.there is more then just one crack group.
lords of the fallen cracked
battlefield hardline cracked
dragon age inq cracked
and many more the point is is has been cracked.
there is also more then one crack group in the world.
The point is a old version of it has been cracked. Repeating your stupid comment would help
so it was cracked soon jc3 drm will be old and cracked.the point is Denuvo has been cracked. and will continue to be.did you think this is the only crack group in the world?
3DM is the only group in the world who has cracked it and even then they didn’t technically crack it all they did was a processor based emulation to bypass the DRM and THEN this “crack” didn’t work with every CPU.
those are all old based on an exploit.
#DontCare
#SteamFtW
Your comments always make me laugh out loud. Thanks for being so awesome!
#Thanks
Someone from china said that they are doing this to go legal since 3DM is more of a game forum with localization rather a straight out crackign group.
That’s what I thought, they are not in the list of warez grp in wiki.
because they are not scene and by the looks of it, they paid to say or do things they are. like making news about piracy. part of denuvo’s marketing campaign.
it’s about time that PC gaming shouldn’t be ruined becaused of piracy. it’s more than a decade piracy has ruined PC gaming.
i fail to see how that happened, dont worry now that excuse will fade and the morons like you wont be able to say “hur dur it is because of piracy that the prices are so high and we dont get exlusive”
Nope its greed, just like wasteland 2 console version, just wait and see this wont change squat.
As been said,people doing too much of drama of Denuvo,3DM wasn’t that good group in the first place,I bet some groups waiting for proper 64 debugging and then Denuvo games will be cracked day one.
meh, 64 debugging isnt the problem. The problem is no one has any idea what the VM does, securom was cracked because someone leaked source code files.
The VM’s protection already done 10 years ago…. there is similar protection called VMprotect,it was even used for newest AC game and Tale Of Symponia… but cracked day one…. because it’s supporting 32 bit also which is easier to break.
yep there are a lot more crack groups out there then 3dm.every one is like no more cracked games for a year.lol.the real crack groups dont say crap and stay quite.
Steam’s prices are adjusted based on country. Not in all, but quite a few, especially since Steam’s introduction of a bunch of new local currencies, hence driving prices down considerably.
That is so much crap. I want you to show me this big price difference you see between countries because I don’t see it, well maybe it’s there but in the opposite way. Games that cost 60$ in us cost 60€ here. 1€>1$. Salary here is around 200$/month. It’s stupid to think there is a price difference in between steam regions that benefits the buyer. The prices are the same, higher in other countries than in the US because where in most they use some sort of exchange rate to make the price in that countries currency, while in the EU they just transform dollars into Euro and that’s not ok or fair
I’m not in the EU so I cannot comment about European price discrepancies. However I can give you the South Asian perspective. Here (in India) the average wage is roughly 100$ per month. Before Steam’s regional currency introduction, Steam itself was effectively off limits since gamers had to fork out money in US currency, leading to games being priced at 60$ for AAA titles, which as you can see happened to be more than half of the monthly national average wage. So the only recourse was to have either a friend abroad gift the games, or to purchase games at retail, which by the way would still be much cheaper than on Steam.
However, with Steam’s regional pricing introduction, games are being effectively priced along the lines of retail. And if you factor in Steam sales, prices get drastically reduced on most games except for the latest releases. Therefore the local currency introduction has indeed helped developing economies get into legitimate gaming.
Having said that, I do not support 1$ =1 euro stance at all. Thankfully, since you are in Romania (I think?) it’s much easier (compared to India) to just get an international debit or credit card in order to purchase games from third-party resellers like Kinguin or G2A at discount prices.
what this means is just that they went way too public and actual copyright laws were implemented in china recently …. iirc they even got sued by Tekmo or something
other than that Denuvo marketing at full force???
3DM are just Drama queens like they were ever before… and every game jurnous loves clickbait pirate articles even if they are about nothing .
Scene ??? ROFL
3DM is a poor P2P group without any tallent for Cracking, only use Loader/Emulators.
yep its sad people think that this is the only crack group in the world…lol
It’s a good thing they gave up. Nowadays piracy harms PC gaming industry more than anything else.
lol nop
lol yep
its funny how you think this is the only crack group in the world…lol.these guys arnt good enough to crack Denuvo.the real good crack groups stay quiet and continue cracking.
No one will ever crack DENUVO, previous exploits allowed them to emulate Steam and Origin thus making Denuvo think it was running on a real license.
do a little googling before you post this kind of stuff and you will see you are wrong.
And in your infantile mind you think that’s a good thing, right?
And I don’t believe you anyway. Those supposed “amazing real good groups” also had their time to crack Just Cause 3, and they didn’t (if they did they’d have made sure everybody knew by now). So I assume either that they aren’t that good, or that they just don’t exist.
so does grey market sites like g2a,kinguin and gmg.i guess not paying full price at release helps it right?on steam AAA titles are $60 at launch.anything else is grey market.
What an id!0t you are. If they’re legit business, then that means that they must have some sort of deal with the game companies, or do you think that they just leave them to freely operate out of the kindness of their hearts?
And the “oh, they’re so expensive!” argument is just as infantile as it gets. First of all, grown men usually don’t have to worry about paying that miserable amount of money for a game. Second of all, game prices have barely increased since the times I used to buy them for a Sega MegaDrive, so 60 bucks is actually pretty standart.
And third of all, that’s not the way of changing sales prices anyway. Not buying them is the way (or at least not buying them until there’s a sale). Pirating them only gives company an excuse not to release games on PC, which in turn harms the whole PC community. If you’re so infantile and selfish not to see that, then you’re not even worthy of belonging to that community.
wow way to long response to my post.i didnt bother to read it good day.
Like I care. I’m writing this as much as for anyone else to read it as for you to do it. Perhaps somebody more mature than you will find sense in my words.
As a final addentum, I’m too old not to know that when anyone says that, it’s mostly because they have no arguments left. Soooo..(snip).
not that i didnt find sense in it i didnt care to read such a long post to my short one which means you were trying to troll in that post which is why it was so long.i just didnt bother to read it.
Yeah, because reading gives cancer.
Grow up already.
lol
georgia here in my country we are 3 .400 000 and only working 650 000 in company and official others like me Self-employed in month have like 100 or maybe 250 dollars Pensions is 50 $ for curent state now thanks for dollar 🙂 national Currency in now very bad situation dollar going crazy 🙂 how can i spend 60 dolars for one game when i spend for Utilities 100 $ ? not every one live good In developed countries like you friends
well i am dealing with the same thing but i am saving money for PChardware primary and games on Steam sales etc.
i saving money for my rig next 4 month with GTX 970 or better games are to expensive 60$ ?some time 100$ season pass ?DLC this is Capitalism pc piracy is not like we think remember xbox 360 was hacked and PS3 to you can download ISO disk and burn them with DVD for xbox 360 beacause not every one had BD rooms for sony ps3 disks pc lov sales thanks for SONY and microsoft 🙁 with their exclusives without it no one bay their consoles
Aren’t games priced more reasonable in the CIS region to accommodate for a weak currency?
Well some of them do, my country is a bit to the west from the CIS region still, a game costs 60 euro, 25% of a monthly wage.
Sure why? There are several studies out there that invalidate that idea, more DRM decreases consumer trust and drives down sales.
I have mixed feelings towards Denuvo. On one hand, it might stop certain publishers from going for always online-DRM which is infinitely worse. On the other hand, DRM is poison and I would like to see legislation in the western world (North America, EU etc) that prohibits DRM that blocks customers ownership of the games they purchase.
I buy games I like and I will continue to do so, regardless of Denuvo.
Denuvo can be potentially used for good but it can also be a double edge blade. do you trust publishers enough to give them the edge with Denuvo? right now they can continue with lazy ports and have a “take it or leave it” attitude easier than ever among other things.
either way as long as PC doesn’t beat PS4 sales on every turn, publishers are probably gonna favor consoles more anyway because Micorosft and Sony make different deals with them to keep them happy.
i am not denying the positive effects of Denuvo, but it’s negative effects also worries me.
I think the PC outsold xbox360 xbox 1 or were very close for EA/UBIsoft even went last gen was still relevant.
In Steam you can ask for a refund, probably others will implement such measures down the line. GoG has 30 days or so refund no questions asked for early access, EA has some policy the same way plus it’s offer with around 4-5 euros as a subscription monthly for games and so on.
The problem with PC gaming wasn’t piracy per se, but rather poor optimizations that forced people to upgrade more often creating the image of PC gaming is expensive – although if you buy a lot of games, console gaming is far more expensive.
Using the same ol’ recipe for games didn’t help as well. People went down the line of buying a simple system that could play games easily and perhaps even sell them later.
In the end I don’t care that much. There is always sales period(s) where you can pick up games cheap – that don’t worth full price. For 1-2 games annually it should be an issue to put some money aside for a day one purchase.
Hope every game to be protected with Denuvo!
I feel like I’m in a loop of deja vu, StarForce was thought to be uncrackable too, and it took over a year to see some games protected with it cracked. Then of course there was the Ubisoft always online DRM…. Remember this is a challenge to hackers n crackers, the harder it is, the more brownie points they get in the scene.
To measure PC sales? LMAO, they actually thought people would believe that??
It’s obvious Denuvo paid them a huge sum to stop cracking.
Half of those titles doesn’t even work for everyone. I know because I tried. And I read the comments.
Also, Denuvo also gets updated as well. With that group gone, we’ll see how much pirates keep up the pace.
yea “half those games dont even work for everyone” nice vague and avoiding answers.try again.
Look at the comments regarding your beloved “pirated” games. I’m not being vague. It’s just that I don’t have anything else to say.
yea i figured you didnt have anything else to say.its all good and those arnt my beloved “pirated” games they are just games that have been cracked with Denuvo it took me 5 sec to google.
I said my reasons, yet you continue to draw your own conclusions, living in the happy little private universe you live. Oh, well, your problem.
if people werent going to buy the game then they probably didnt care to begin with… the pc gamers will just wait like console gamers for the game to go cheap.
“the group’s cracking guy”
Guy? Singular? What kind of group are they if only one of them can actually do what they are known for? lol
This isnt exactly the end of piracy, you know. People is talking like there are no someone else to pirate games.
i dunno, i see plenty of denovo games on my torrent trackers
3DM isn’t a scene group.
Denuvo is not something positive. Oxidized, posted a link below from an Ubisoft dev and his disgusting post.. Something like this is the real problem! What I see as unfair is when I pay 2000 euros and I play a game which is just better from the same game running on a 300 euro console. I think it should be fair for the game to be outstandingly better. It should be fair to push the limits of every PC system, low and elite without considering of how bad consoles would look! What you pay is what you get! I think that is fair! We all know that most games we play could look and RUN far more better from what they are. What we are debating and what they are trying to prove about this anti-piracy Denuvo protection is just misleading at best!
Tomb Raider “2” is kind of boring (its a 7-8 kind of game),Dragon Age I,JC3 and Mad Max were kind of meh aswell.. Reviews seem to support my claim more or less.
If Denuvo protects the boring games, so be it? Hah, not like anyone needs them. At least that way we know for sure why they aint selling 😉 😉 😉
Make good games people, and we will buy your crap.
Mad max and Rise of tomb raider were great action adventure games not boring. I finished tomb raider 3 days ao. A amazing game. Mad max i also bought it on September another great game. If you like action adventure games you wil like it. I have uploaded some youtube videos of tomb raider from my gameplay come and see them.
one pirate group isnt going to make much of a difference imo.
It’s a simple matter of logic. Lower game prices dramatically and just watch how everyone including people in third-world countries start buying and forget about cracked games. Sales would multiply immensely. Same thing goes for movies. We have data that proves this method increases sales tremendously. After all, it isn’t like selling something that requires manufacturing, tangible distribution and storage. We’re talking digital media, reproducible to infinity.
~ DRM’s are known to cause trouble anyway… Release our games! Charge less, get rich and make everyone happy. Then maybe Batman will run also!
Damn, if PC games become uncrackable i wonder if developer would thing about investing more into a game since they know that it wont be cracked so they have no reason to delay the PC release. And i also wonder how much does it cost for developer to use denuvo on their games.
well new need for speed was delayed on pc for 6 7 months, it’s always online but still they delayed the pc version. new far cry also comes to pc 1 week later.
Far cry wil be single player so if denvuo didnt exist piracy would had hurted it sales. But for need for speed that is online only i realy dont understand why they delay it.
FC is not a single player only game and piracy doesn’t hurt it’s sales, repetitive nature of the game, bad optimizations and price tag would hurt it sales.
I am talking about Far Cry primal, Rise of tomb raider Hitman Mafia 3 e.t.c you know games like these that are single player only
far cry is not single player only, hitman might be a single player game but half of it’s missions will be released online only
Repetitive nature will not hurt it if the gameplay is good . Price tag is the same as for evry new AAAA game. But i agree with optimization that something that can hurt sales if it is not well done.
and the gameplay isn’t even good, it’s FC4 which was FC3 with no guns.
As long as Microsoft and Sony have something to say, they’ll do their best to hamper the other platforms.
3DM is not a scene group and also what happened to you DSOG ? 2013 2014 you were independent and a good site, now you are just another clickbait site filled with trolls and paid and or flaming articles.
I brought Dragon age inquisition the day of release. I wanted to install and use mods, but had a problem. A lot of mods and save games wouldn’t work as I hadn’t bought the deluxe edition. Therefore I had to pirate a game I already bloody brought, just to use mods…
About Batman it was the first Batman version the one that they released on summer that got cracked. The new version that got released on October has not been cracked .
thats because there was the old version.you think pirates care about versions or just the games it self is cracked.
The current version of Batman is much more otimzied and runs better. So the pirates are stucj with a broken game while those who buy it can play the latest version that still receives patches.
doesnt matter all they care about is its cracked.
Great. Now developers will continue to use this piece of sh*t DRM in their games, which absolutely tanks performance and takes up enormous CPU, RAM, and VRAM resources and has a curious connection to lack of SLI support in titles that use it. This is a huge step back, not a step forward.
Literally none of those things are true.
Thank you for your well reasoned and supported retort.
People need to realize that this isn’t going to change a damn thing for all we know all these post from 3dm are just some popularity stunts because we all know the scene never goes public about their activity and yeah i know that 3dm is a p2p group ! and now for some real facts as why this so called ending of piracy protection drm or as they would like to phrase it anti-tamper hasn’t been cracked yet ! but first i just want all these douche bags and all the other sites who have been doing a damn good job at promoting denuvo know that the only reason this protection is so hard to crack is because of the lack of a proper x64 debugger and as we all know that it has been only a few years since development on the x64 platform. We have tons of x86 debuggers and all the source codes that are needed to crack any kind of drm developed on the x86 platform and in the past few years a lot of warez groups have disappeared there is no real competition ! Cracking is about notoriety! its about which group makes it to the top before the other and claim the throne ! and as for denuvo it hasn’t achieved anything new these are the same people who brought us securom and starforce and all this talk about denuvo not being drm seem like a load of horse manure to me ! why you ask ? because the word “DRM” itself brings some real horrid memories into everyone’s mind as in the past we all know what drm has done for the paying customers. Denuvo uses VMprotect which is a software which makes it hard to reverse engineer program and all we need is a dedicated group and 3 to 4 months of hard work i know it isn’t going to be easy creating a new x64 debugger but as it known its never about the “IF” but “WHEN”. The scene these days had it to easy for years now hence the reason they have gotten sloppy. In the end this is the dawn of a new era for crackers there is going to be an uprising if 3dm won’t do it there will be hundred others and this is the calling for the beast to crawl out of its cave !
You are welcome sir! 🙂
Damn, a 60% premium on top of 60 USD? That sounds pretty screwed up. How come no one has initiated some sort of public interest litigation yet? I know prices vary across regions, but a 60% markup is a huge margin in and of itself; and on top of that why they’d charge it on digital games as well…. it doesn’t add up at all. I doubt even the Euro Zone has policies such as this.
P.S. I just read up about this a bit on Kotaku AU. So it goes like this:
“One of the main reasons things like books, software, and DVDs cost more in Australia than overseas is something called ‘parallel import restrictions’,” claims Mark. “These rules stop someone buying the product cheaply – but legitimately – overseas and importing it themselves to sell locally at a higher price, but still less than what current suppliers charge.”
This may not directly affect the price of games, but when retailers aren’t been given the opportunity to undercut prices via imports, publishers suddenly don’t have the motivation to price competitively. It’s the nature of business – if there’s nothing to stop you from selling a product at a higher price, why sell the product for less?”
One of the Government Agencies initiated one of those “appease the public” investigations a few years ago that of course resulted in a giant expose & absolutely no change at all, last I heard.
Otherwise, Capitalism, basically. They like it that way, because it suits them, & the Government’s nuts, so yeah.
sellouts.
it;s simple..every denuvo game need pirate dedicated server for syncronization.