Now here is something interesting. At Denuvo’s official website, there are three companies congratulating it. These three companies are: id Software, Crytek and Square Enix. And while id Software’s and Crytek’s comments are kind of neutral (after all, id Software has removed the Denuvo anti-tamper tech from DOOM), Square Enix’s comment is a bit more… salty?
Square Enix congratulated Denuvo, claiming that thanks to this anti-tamper tech, people now have to buy their games. Ouch.
Here is Square Enix’s full quote:
“Thanks to you for the incredible service your team provide – it’s great to partner with you! It’s thanks to you guys that people have to buy the game.”
Ironically, and as we’ve already stated, even the latest version of the Denuvo anti-tamper tech has been cracked. Still, Square Enix’s quote implies that PC gamers are pirates and that they wouldn’t buy games otherwise.
Guess CD Projekt RED and other triple-A companies don’t share Square Enix’s beliefs, otherwise they’d be out of business right now. Oh the irony!
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I hope SE fking closes
Out of the 7 games Square Enix has used denuvo on 6 of them have been cracked.
How’s that “people have to buy the game.” working out for you? Bloody tossers.
Those devs only care about launch window sales. Pre-orders and like the first 2-4 weeks post launch. After that the people that buy games do it at an extreme discount. These console devs ignore games selling overtime.
Except Square’s game are some of the less discounted.
Nier Automata is still being sold 60€. Rise of the Tomb Raider, 50€. Tomb Raider, a game from early 2013 is still being sold 20€ !
Even during sales, you have to wait around 18 months to have a discount around 50%.
Just Cause 3, over a year later, is still being sold at full price, even though it’s still a broken mess for many people…….
I bought the first tr reboot 6 weeks after release for 7.50 on steam.
Historically speaking, Square Enix’s games have often been very quickly discounted on PC. In fact, Tomb Raider saw a ~45% discount within TWO MONTHS of its release on Steam (as of the time of this comment, it’s also being sold for $4.99 on sale in the United States… and Nier is on sale for $41.99). It could probably be found for even cheaper at places like Green Man Gaming. Nier has been selling very well on Steam and I’m not surprised that they haven’t lowered the price much, but it’s also only been 3 months. So you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
I dont follow prices but last year Tomb Raider PS4 version was 4.99$ on PSN, i skipped because I have the PC version
Right now Deus Ex season pass goes for 7$ instead 29.99 on steam, I got it to complete the game.
Nier is expensive, 42$ right now on steam
Nothing like Activision tho…..still $20 for CoD1 and 2.
your $2 six years later and moral bluster are sure to keep the lights on.
Exactly. The first two weeks are incredibly important when launching this kind of game. If this protection can help secure the game launching it’s already highly precious!
Imho Denuvo is not bad, but it should be removed from title after month since relase or once game is cracked.
Why remove something that is not bad?
Maybe because… its bad.
Rime was having a sh*tload of performance problems, they removed denuvo aaaaand…. the problem was gone.
What a coincidence.
Arkham Knight’s remaining problems are apparently fixed if you apply the Denuvo crack to it……
*weeps*
Lul nooooo 4 real?
Apparently so 🙁
I literally found out days after I was finished with it……..
*weeps*
Damn… didn’t you get the refund ? I remember buying the game not knowing the shyte it was performance wise (story was fun as usual) and after like 50-60hours i had beaten the game like 99% and was tired of it but then something beautiful happened. Even though i had played the game 50-60hours i could refund it because of WB acceptings refunds.
I just took my money back out of principle. They deserve to lose money with this port.
Huh……
Tempting, but then again; I’m a cheevos wh*re……..
Hm >.<
:X then go for the 100% 🙂
Medals…. Challenges…… Thumbs…. Blood……
Repeated sound of head-to-desk smashing…..
*Insane Joker laugh*
That’s hilarious. Did they ever add the missing effects like the rain stuff missing that’s in the console versions?
Yeah, that was part of the relaunch, wasn’t it?
????? Seriously?
That is how I hear it, yeah.
That indie RPG game that was released a month ago, it seems the pirate version works without stuttering while denuvo version just lags.
It just doesn’t end……
doom had same performance issues oh wait… it didn’t
what a coincidence
another excuse from pc pirates
rime performance was patched simultaneously when they removed denuvo
Patched by NoDRM .exe 😉 aka Denuvo removed
Syberia 3 with Denuvo, fk menu screen was laggy
That’s it? That’s your entire argument? “DOOM didn’t have problems”?
Well, gee, wow, 1/00. I guess everyone needs a break, huh?
“How’s that “people have to buy the game.” working out for you? ”
Probably pretty well. There are definitely people who will buy it because they can’t get it at launch.
Sure, but does the amount of people who bought the game at launch “because Denuvo” outmatch the amount of people who didn’t buy the game “because Denuvo”?
I’d wager yes. Most people I know who say “I’m not buying because of Denuvo” weren’t going to buy the game in the first place. They were just using it as a petty excuse to justify pirating the game. On the other hand, I actually know people who grudgingly bought the game because they knew Denuvo would keep them from playing the game for at least a few weeks if not months.
But they were going to buy it anyway, then & most likely sooner, rather than later, as they could actually both afford it & purchase it legally, unlike the overwhelming majority of people that pirate.
Well I did say Denuvo was keeping them from playing meaning they were going to pirate the game if not for Denuvo. Some of them did/do kind of “repent” for their piracy and buy the game years later when the game goes on sale. I’m in the small camp where if the game doesn’t have Denuvo at launch, I wouldn’t buy.
EDIT: not because I would pirate because it doesn’t have Denuvo. I just wouldn’t play the game period until maybe years later when it goes for steep sale.
I know people that know people that know other people who does stuff… Claiming you know people on internet.
It’s your choice on whether or not to believe another person’s experience. It’s oh so so hard to questions the legitimacy of other people’s claim on the internet. Oh wait, my niece can do that and she is only 10. emmmm.
BTW, I probably personally know more pirates than you do since I hung out on 3DM for more time than I should’ve when I was in college translating some of the pirated game. Of course you probably think that’s made up as well.
To your other point, most Pirates are less patient and less grateful than you think. They would whine and cry when 3DM team didn’t give them the game the week after launch and they scream bloody murder at Denuvo all the time in the forum. They are just a whole bunch of brats who expect things handed to them, which is the reason I quit the translation team.
We can check steamdb, steamspy and the same companies twitters when they actually never release sales numbers, we know how they like to show us how the game is good because its sales. Also news like Square Enix selling IO interactive because Hitman didnt sell well.
That shows how a game sell well because its quality but no its DRM.
Bringing personal experiences doesnt add too much to the topic, I learned that in the hard way.
Torrents of old games are still there despite being cheap on Steam, so because that I think pirates are patient, what you describe are leechers. Im glad piracy exists you know, tell me how I can get a legit copy of Blur or many other games that were removed of stores because stupid license fees?
I didnt mean to offend you but when people starts to speak of their personal experiences and they pretend for we to use them as facts, you have to take it with a grain of salt.
Sure, but impatience doesn’t necessarily translate into a desire &/or the willpower to actually buy the damn game.
I mean, for one thing you need to have the legal power to buy it, then you need the financial means to buy it, then you need the actual willpower to spend the money on the game, in order to actually buy it, vs. just waiting a few more days (& whining on forums) for the crack, instead.
As such, I’d argue that even if Denuvo does have an effect in the end, that effect has to inevitably be minimal, regardless of how long it actually takes 3DM or BALDMAN or anyone else to crack the game in question, really.
Pirates really have patient. Your argument doesnt work.
Back when there were day zero crack or hell when the cracks came before the official release even then these companies used DRMs.
It’s just in their nature.
Sad!
Meanwhile, Denuvo is being demolished: Total War Warhammer, Sniper Elite 4, Dishonored 2, Bulletstorm Full Clip Edition, WRC 6, and many more have fallen. Can’t really tell if Square is being sarcastic or serious at this point.
steampunks must be robots, they got no life at all.
because pc gamer’s are stupid….thanks to denuvo tekken,ace combat and code vein is coming to pc for example….don’t crack the game and red dead redemption 1 and 2,final fantasy xv,injustice 2 and kingdom hearts 3 they will come to pc 😉
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a8e138686398b8e4cbe5e944cb6dbf7a8ab7e6b7b036fabf8ae618f364e40372.jpg
Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that, nutty.
Still, every western games hasn’t sold as much as Square Enix was expecting. Hitman, Deus Ex, Just Cause, Thief, Tomb Raider…al of them were a flop or didn’t reach the expectations.
Other games, such as Nier Automata sold very well, but that’s not thanks to Denuvo, but to the game itself
Square Morons & their ridiculous expectations. Uff.
Definitely.
Sadly now that we know they have no intentions of fixing the game with a Director’s Cut relaunch or some such, all I can say is wait until it’s at 75-90% off & then get it for what it’s basically worth, all things considered, as it’s definitely worth playing through if you’re a Deus Ex fan.
Unfortunately.
It’s not a masterpiece, but it was the right game at the right moment, and so a lot of people bough it.
Anyway, it’s all about SE expectations. They thought western games to sell millions and millions copies, while they weren’t expecting nothing from Nier.
In the end, Hitman and Deus Ex sold around 6-700.000 copies, Just Cause little more than a million, Tomb Raider 1.5, and they all failed in the eyes of SE
Nier sold 300.000 copies, and it is “a great success, thank you Denuvo”. WTF
I think it’s because they have different sales expectations for Western games vs. Japanese games, in which case that would really explain this….. for whatever f*cked up reason.
No, Nier is definitely great. Sure, much like andry said it’s not an all-time masterpiece, but it’s definitely worth playing through – after purchasing at a discounted rate, because f*ck Square Turds.
What makes you think thanks Denuvo, devs/publishers bring games to PC, some base for that statement? All Denuvo fans (why hell a DRM has fans wtf) said the same thing.
Nothing, he’s just trolling. He’s a known troll, ignore him & his bullsh*t.
These games as many other games that were console exclusives came to pc not because some drm, but because pc gaming growth and will be growing over years. Even FFXIII which is hated by hardcore FF fans sold over 750k copies, and consider that pc port is quite crappy. You cannot ignore pc market anymore.
Walikor is an admitted troll. I blocked him months ago and so should you. Don’t feed him.
RDR 2 will definitely be on PC. RDR 1, yeah…… Unless they remaster it at some point, that does seem rather impossible, now.
Well, remaster, remake, whatever. RD Redemption 1 is basically a classic, so there’s definitely plenty of interest in seeing it on the PS4/XONE/PC natively, rather than through emulation or whatnot.
However, I’m not entirely sure about that. How can that be, if GTA IV came out on PC using the RAGE Engine in 2008, whereas Red Dead Redemption came out in 2010? I mean, yeah, it uses a modified RAGE, but even so, unless they rewrote the entire thing from the ground up, it stands to reason it should be PC-compatible, even if only in part.
Good point on Revolver, though I think everyone automatically skips over that by default, really 😛
Probably, yeah.
“.thanks to denuvo tekken,ace combat and code vein is coming to pc for example..”
How do you know that? You pulled that out of your butt.
I’m gonna prove to you that console players are actually bigger pirates than PC gamers. Almost every single console has been hacked: PS1, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox360, Xbox One, Dreamcast, Ninetndo DS, PSP…and once you’ve hacked the console you’re able to play every single game on it. Who’s the pirate now, you ding-a-ling?
You can’t pirate xbox one,and the piracy on console is very very low
“and the piracy on console is very very low”
Right! So is the hacking!
Not.
Also, very very low is the quality&quantity of the Xbone’s library…
Modding is what your looking for Moleculez
:the 360 you could get chipped (Modded) to play burnt games (Pirated or otherwise)but it was not cheap AND you could not play on on xbl or the console and account would get banned.
Hacks were all save based on the 360. they removed our access to the saves on xbox one ,so removed access to the hacks. you should brush up ion the modding world before you act like you know what going on.
wow you guys here are well informed about what games are cracked and what games aren’t, i wonder why…
Because we love to mock the sh*t out of DRM shills like you with actual proper, factually correct arguments, maybe?
Or you don’t buy games, moybu?
its because we get them for free
Yeah, no.
he and many others do buy games but only when they’re on 90 percent discount and they beat those games 5 times by the time
Problem with that? It seems you enjoy being a rich kid buying all AAA games on launch? LOL. an you see Black Friday in first world countries being actual holiday. You have never go to a sale, right bro? You dont need it because you send your employees to buy you stuff at full price while you play on you 8k TV in your house on Beverly hills.
Why you play on PC? Just for being a anti-console hipster?
I do play because I want to know if I still can play the game in ten years. With Denuvo there, If I want to play the game offline I have to crack it despite I got it legally. I do inform myself of denuvo games because I dont buy it unless they remove it, as it affects legit players more than pirates. Then contrary to rich richy aka Dagoat I wait for a sale because I have to maintain a family, I cant rely on my father credit card.
i’m not a shill, take it back
Nou.
i’ll tell my mom
Good for you!
Because there is google.
i know about google but why would you be interested in what specific games get cracked? i know why, everyone else knows why and you yourself know that we know why, no point in pretending
Nyet.
so i can pwn clowns like you.
no you pirate games and buy $0.2 games, if you’re wondering about my 100 percent accurate prediction, i’m not a godlike person, you’re just way too simple to guess
Lacking arguments? Lets call these guys pirates or poor.
there is no argument here, are you living in your fantasy or just copy pasting liked quotes on the internet to act like a cool guy?
anyways i’m not calling this person and many others pirates or poor, i’m saying they actually are pirates, if this person proves he’s not a pirate by sharing his steam account here and proving it’s his, i will post my steam password, log out of this website and never return, give 10 steam wallet each worth 100 dollars, post my picture here to get recognized in real life as a douche
Stop asking, we got the message, we are peasants while you are the true 60$ dollar games king.
babaca
Hmmmm, mad max got cracked fast, people bought that one instead of just cause 3, just cause 3 sales are pretty good but considering the agressive youtube advertizing you would expect them to be more. Hitman had denuvo, didnt help, the game flopped. Cant blame piracy on this one. Mankind divided got cracked pretty fast. Rise of the tomb raider sales were good because sony fanboys didnt want to buy a xbone to play the game on console so they settled for pc.
Overall good but not great.
Just Cause 3 had those hilarious launch problems, some of which persist to this very day.
Plus, Square Turds is still selling it at $60, over a year post-launch, so there’s that, too.
Well Japanese devs and publishers really do fear piracy. This is one of the main reasons quite a large percentage of them stay console/handheld only.
I’m my opinion if you release a good game, that runs well, that supports features that PC gamers like people will buy your game.
“This is one of the main reasons quite a large percentage of them stay console/handheld only.”
Eh, not really, they’re just made that way; they’re PlayStation &/or Nintendo fanboys who grew up to be PlayStation &/or Nintendo developers. Hell, until a few years ago most of them didn’t even do Xbox ports, so you can imagine how big of a leap it must be for them to be slowly moving into the PC market.
Though, yeah, some of them will just never, as they’re die-hard Sony exclusives, or Nintendo-exclusives, or whatever-the-f*ck & that won’t change any time soon, but you really have to look at it through the Xbox lens, which truly indicates how far we’ve come in recent years with Japan’s Video Game Market.
Well, the pricing of games for some countries are ridiculous. The piracy is high as it can be in Lithuania because of low salary and post-sovietic parents belief that games are waste of time and evil thing, so kids have no other choice but to pirate. Most of the people have to work for 2-3 days to buy only one game, no food, no nothing… meanwhile in countries like Russia or Ukraine prices of games sometimes are 9x cheaper. WTF market? Sometimes even if game is good, peeps can’t afford it because of low salary or post-soviet rotten parents. For me one AAA game is one day work so I can afford games at least once a month. But if peeps get salary like 2000€ and still pirating, they are rotten inside and I can’t excuse them.
Yup, for example 60 Euro game in Poland is more or less 12% of minimal wage. To give you comparsion how ridiculous it is, i pay for m internet connection(80/20Mbps) around 15Euro.
Yes neighbor 🙂 It’s the same situation in Lithuania, but minimal wage is even smaller 380€ 😀 And prices like example of food is much bigger, so we travel to Poland just to buy food and stuff 😀
You always welcome here mate 🙂
You seriously pay 15 Euros for 80 Mbps? And you get the full speed? From what, a state-owned ISP? Private company?
No, seriously, 15 Euros?
Yup, from Orange(they few years ago bought biggest telecomunication vendor in Poland). As for speed, i have between 60-70 at peak hours(between 12-17) and over 70 at evenings. Contract i signed give me as high speed, that i could get. 10, 20 up to 80 Mbps for same price.
I would say that in Poland internet is quite cheap, in capital you can get 1Gbps for 150PLN(around 35 Euro) or LTE with 10GB transfer limit for 20PLN(around 5 Euro).
…….
Well, f*ck.
Mostly, yeah. They do have that completely /eyeroll anti-Russia thing going against them (IMO), but they do have a great anti-EU stance building up, too. Hell, they might even end up beating the French to an exit referendum at this rate.
Unless the Hungarians end up beating them all, instead, though that’s less likely.
Piracy is normal in Venezuela because Maduro destroyed the economy. It’s rare seen a guy buying games from Steam.
can your theory explain why a game like styx shards of darkness failed so bad?
Because no one wanted a sequel.
Says who? I’m loving it.
the sales.
It’s a niche game with near-zero marketing, no sh*t it sold badly. It’ll perk up with time as people realise it exists, as it’s a great sequel to Styx: Master of Shadows.
Especially since stealth fans are basically starved for good stealth games these days, even if they’re not of the most hardcore variety.
stealth fans are not starved, dishonored 2 was a masterpiece
Dishonored 2 was also last year. Regardless, it’s a different type of stealth game to Styx.
no it’s not, you can play it without using your abilities, if you’re a thirsty stealth fan, this will be your drug
It’s a different type of stealth game to Styx, regardless of how you play it.
we’re talking about stealth games as a whole, you have no points here
“we’re talking about stealth games as a whole”
There’s a difference between “we” & “you.” As usual, “we” are not on the same page as “you.”
it’s my thread, i’m the original poster you’re just interrupting my discussion but i let you share your opinions, do not change what we’re talking about here, you’re an outsider here and don’t have any rights to what we’re discussing
Yeah……. Not really.
it’s reality embrace it
Nope, that’s your delusions kiddo.
Might want to get back on your medications, nutty.
also i realized i need to explain that i’m not defending any genre or any particular game, video games are boring hobbies overall
Good thing you feel the need to put in the effort to post on a video game website, then, don’t you think?
i can’t comment anywhere else to be honest, i don’t really feel like troubling myself with signing up on trash websites like IGN, gamespot and…, i’m banned on PCgamer because i trash talked xbox one, can’t do these stuff on social media accounts because that’s real life and at the end the only thing left is youtube which i’m utterly a cancer on youtube, i see no limit for myself to insult anyone in any way i can
Dishonored 2 marketed heavily
no
what i like about arkane is their brilliant creativity and the fact that they let you choose your play style, you can play dishonored without using any of your abilities
Good point, I’d forgotten about the reviews ^^
But yeah, you know review sites, if they think something is too hard or too complicated or too something, they think it’s bad. Also, if it’s not AAA, it basically gives them the leeway they need to slam things as hard as they want, so they take extra effort on these smaller titles wherein nobody’s breathing down their necks threatening retribution if they don’t give it a 9/10.
But yeah, most importantly, I question how many of those reviewers were real stealth fans, instead of just casuals who like to sneak around, if anything. I mean, for example, how many of them reviewed Hitman & what did they give that, if they did?
On the steam forums there was actually a group of people hating it for being a stealth game. wtf is the world coming to
that’s just a group of people who aren’t interested in stealth games and they complain about being stealthy in a stealth game, that’s weird but they’re not the reason why shards of darkness failed
people don’t pay attention to big critics like IGN and gamespot anymore or if they do, they don’t take it seriously, fair and popular critics on youtube all praised that game yet it failed
Man more and more japanesse devs put their games on steam. You cant get every single one of them but every year more and more put them on steam. This propably has to do with the growth of pc gaming in japan.
There seems to be a disconnect with reality with Square Enix.
“Still, Square Enix’s quote implies that PC gamers are pirates and that they wouldn’t buy games otherwise.”
I buy all of my games as do millions of other PC gamers or they wouldn’t
have the millions of dollars in revenue from PC gamers before Denuvo was
used. So, screw you Square Enix.
Yes, whilst the pc gamer userbase isn’t massive, there’s still a lot of money being made on it.
3 million paid and playing on player’s unknown battlegrounds.
That game isn’t even finished yet.
Try making games people want to play i suggest
The PC gaming userbase is bigger than the userbase for all the consoles combined. Difference is that the library of games available on PC is also MUCH BIGGER than the library of all games available on all consoles combined.
When you have a pizza sliced up into orders of magnitude more slices, each slice will be smaller. More choice separates big selling games as outliers unlike on console where most games sell closer to the median since there’s significantly fewer of them to choose from. You have outliers but fewer of them.
Watch Dogs 2 may sell less on PC but Battlegrounds will sell massively well even though one is AAA and one is indie: traditional marketing doesn’t target PC gamers; word-of-mouth does. Ubi can push all they want, but PC gamers buy what’s good, not what’s successfully marketed.
The only userbase bigger than PC is mobile, but mobile is its own market with unique variables and types of revenue streams.
Exactly why I hate when people here talk sh** about a game when it only has 2k players online. The MAJORITY of pc games don’t have that many players everyday, simply because there is so many freaking games that the userbase is spread thin.
Honestly PC players will buy sh*t as often as a console peasant, it’s just that we buy different types of sh*t.
In our case, we mostly focus around unfinished Early Access jokes that get passed off as “quality games” because of word-of-mouth, before they inevitably shrivel up & die soon after, once the developers stop updating them & interest inevitably wanes.
Watch_Dogs 2 was mainly because of the controversy surrounding the first one’s graphics & how mediocre the game was, irregardless of how it looked.
In reality the number of uses with ps4 level of hardware and above is quite low. Way below ps4/ps4 pro sales even if number of pc gamers out there is much larger. My brother played LOL on an old mac book for years before i built him a PC with gtx 1060 and i5 4560….. which he still only really uses for LOL.
Like you said, they play larger array of games as whole and the user base for AAA games isn’t anywhere near as large, although popular games will still do OK on PC.
But there are vast number of pc gamers playing games like LOL and that’s where vast majority of revenue for pc gaming is spent
There were 70mil active LOL players 3.5 years ago. That’s one game. Console/PC gaming are vastly different. Console gamers buy whatever is traditionally advertised, at most they buy a few million copies of a game and play it for a few weeks. And there’s much fewer of those traditional AAA games. Ever so often they’ll hit a home run with GTA V or COD but most games are 1-3mil sellers.
Like you said, the PC player base for AAA GAMES may be lower than on console, but that’s kind of an arbitrary statistic. PC gaming as a whole is much, much healthier than consoles and that divide continues to grow. Console sales rely on major AAA titles to promote their hardware as much as themselves, but PCs don’t rely on certain kinds of games because people will own desktop/laptop computers regardless of the existence of gaming.
PCs actually have utility beyond gaming. This is why during the gaming crash in the early 80s didn’t affect PC gaming at all. It was underground already, and healthy, and remained so. Therefore, traditional PC games won’t be as shiny and mainstream, but the user bases for popular PC games is massive and will likely always outperform any singular console game support.
Console gaming will likely always have some place in the market until streaming systems become robust enough to supplant local hardware. Once every smart TV can facilitate subscribership of Netflix-style gaming services then no one will have need to buy a dedicated gaming console.
I looked on steam spy at the numbers and i don’t see any difference between games with and without denuvo. There are also a lot of games with denuvo that had dreadful sales figures. Just cause 3 hasn’t had good sales eighter coming from a studio that has some 250 employees and only 1.1 mil sales. I think they just feel protected. I don’t think this is beneficial in any way. Did skyrim have any kind of protection? I feel that those that pirate can barely afford a PC, eastern europe and other zones. This will most likely destroy gaming there. Since it’s imposible to play games without pirating them. 60 dollars out of 2000 usd is 3%(ok country). 60 dollars out of 300usd is 20%(EE)(rent in my city is like 300 usd, even if you’re better off, there is no chance you are getting games). But they might buy a 5 usd game in a sale, or buy online games after raising money for a period. But taking piracy away gets people out of gaming for good. Cause it’s not worth it. Raising money for years in order to afford a computer is no longer an option, cause there are no games to be played.
Don’t forget to compare the sales numbers to previous entries in the series, like Just Cause 2 vs. Just Cause 3.
Yeah, JC3 used Denuvo, but it was also sh*t.
No just cause 3 was better than 2, 2 has horrible combat mechanics and missions. Not to mention the dialogues and the whole collect every collectable to capture the base. Or the dreadfull vehicle controls. Or the wanted system.
Forget the gameplay, the technical side of it was sh*t at launch & it’s still sh*t now, with memory leaks comparable to Arkham Knight’s.
The worst part was the online connection, no i dont care if pussyslayer2008 has gotten more explosions than me…..CONNECTION FAILED, RECONECTING…no go away. this is a sp game.
You are late i have been pointing that out for years.
You can’t make any assumptions like that as you really cant have a straight comparison of the same game with and without denuvo. It’s just guessing, but I think we can all agree that at least the game will not sell less with denuvo. A game sells 1mil copies without denuvo, how much would it have sold with it? 1.05mil? We can’t now but it doesn’t really matter, what matters for the company is that there is no possibility of piracy(until cracked much later) and it will more likely to sell some copies more.
Games usually cost less in poorer countries for that exact reason. Also, sales are a thing especially for games that people wouldn’t necessarily get for that 60 dollars. And ”But taking piracy away gets people out of gaming for good” is simply ridiculous. All those tens(if not hundreds) of millions of people who play cheap/free games are enough proof.
“at least the game will not sell less with denuvo.”
Extremely debatable, as that basically comes down to how many people have actually not bought a Denuvo “protected” game exactly because of Denuvo vs. those who have actually wound up buying one only because it’s “protected” by Denuvo.
That amounts to 3 nerds in total. The vast majority doesn’t even know what denuvo is, and from the ones that know only a handful will care enough to not buy a game they want for protest.
“That amounts to 3 nerds in total.”
LOL. It definitely amounts to far more than that. As for not buying it out of protest, why not? After all, if they’re using Denuvo, today, then it means they know it’ll get cracked sooner or later, so as a consumer you’ve the trade-off of either buy it immediately, or wait a while & get it as a download.
Why would you buy 60 € game for full price anyway despite your budget is my question if you can get it for half a price.
Hmm, strange, i always thought that in the USA life is much cheaper and you can find all the electronic products that i never can get here in Europe. Plus many things you can freely buy at USA drugstores are illegal here in Germany.
I guess there are trade-offs everywhere.
We’re really not that different, aside from Universal Healthcare, better retirement benefits & anti-gun legislation. Oh & political strife, since we’re not a two-party system….. mostly.
Aside from that, most things then become a case-by-case basis thing. Like, Germany has this ridiculous “no extreme violence” thing that’s caused them to ban several ultra-violent video games etc. which makes your ratings board far more accepting than some of ours, whereas your PG-13 rating is basically either a joke, or not strict enough depending on which country you ask, etc.
Though, you really do need to figure out how to either let up on that sh*t, or institute a PG-15 rating, ffs, because R just has way too much of a stigma surrounding it in Hollywood right now.
Otherwise, yeah, like Johann said it’s easier to get drugs in the USA because of the looser laws & oversight (read: corruption in the FDA), your electronic products are in a whole different league (though that also depends on each individual country, as well), etc.
Like, if Japan is The Technology King alongside South Korea, you then follow up with the USA in second place & the “primary” EU markets – Germany, the UK, France, The Netherlands & Belgium – coming in at a semi-distant third place, followed by the rest of Europe, at some point afterwards.
On the other hand, our ISPs can’t screw us over as hard as yours can, bla bla bla, bla bla bla, bla bla bla 😛 Though that’s basically part of our greater government oversight into corporate affairs, compared to you.
Why are people so offended ? lol. It’s a known fact that CD Projekt Red was forced to make a console port of Witcher 2 only because there were more people pirating the game on PC than actually buying it. People don’t really buy AAA games on PC in general. At least not until they are discounted. Of course there are exceptions but that’s how it is in general. Why do you think some developers don’t even take the PC port seriously and release a terribly optimized game ? They don’t want to bother because they know half won’t spend full price on their game and the other half will pirate it.
Why are you butthurt ?
Hey you are a pedo, why are you so butthurt Its the truth man.
No one is butthurt but you. When people see idiocy(in this instance, you being the idiot) they feel compelled to point it out. That’s being perceptive. Stop being butthurt for being criticized.
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Obvious troll is obvious.
“CD Projekt Red was forced to make a console port of Witcher 2 only because there were more people pirating the game on PC than actually buying it.”
LOL. Yeah, right, just like Crytek was “forced” to multi-platform Crysis 2, right? Oh & they were also “forced” to make the sequel into Call of Duty: Crysis, because otherwise it would “only” have sold a few million copies, right?
“People don’t really buy AAA games on PC in general.”
Patently false. Link proof or f*ck off.
“At least not until they are discounted.”
Yeah, a lot of people wait for a Steam Sale these days, so what? How many people buy a console game second-hand, by comparison? At least on a Steam Sale the developers get something, whereas from a second-hand, they get nothing.
Also, there’s the problem of a lot of consumers becoming aware of how much publishers routinely try to f*ck them over with broken launches, so, yeah, declining sales window numbers are an obvious side-effect of the “F*CK YOU” treatment publishers like to give their fanbases.
“Of course there are exceptions but that’s how it is in general.”
Link proof or f*ck off.
“Why do you think some developers don’t even take the PC port seriously and release a terribly optimized game ? They don’t want to bother because they know half won’t spend full price on their game and the other half will pirate it.”
LOL. What next, are you going to make a list of console exclusive IPs & try to argue how much more of them there are by comparison to PC exclusives or some such bullsh*t?
Yeah, obvious troll is obvious.
Go away, troll, because I promise you; you can’t handle me.
lmao the butt has been hurt.
More like the butt is rolling around on the floor laughing at the bullsh*t that’s coming out of this sad, pathetic, completely unoriginal troll’s mind.
Seriously, you could at least try to be original, ffs, otherwise there’s just no fun in finding you out & subsequently thrashing you back to WCCFTech, or whatever other sh*thole you crawled out of.
Pretty hard to type out a wall of text if you’re rolling around laughing. Truth stung in this case
Ever tried typing between fits of laughter?
I guess not.
You didnt made any good points.
i agree,pc gaming is only mmorpg,free to play and multiplayer title look payday 2 and playerunkown’s battleground sales!
you mean those games that have sold less than gta v and fallout 4 which dont have denuvo?
Again????
Gta v on pc is 7 milion
On ps3 is 28 milion lol
AGAIN?
SERIOUSLY?
again, no ps4 version for a game for years, xbone and pc have sold more, therefore ps4 is dying.
Someone’s been taking leafs out of Hvd’s book, I see.
Implying they are not all the same person.
Good point.
he’s not, he’s telling the truth about cd projekt
Not.
Cd project themselves dissagree. Stop the orwelian bs.
cd projekt, truthful heroes of our time, they do not and cannot lie.
they did EXACTLY what sean murray did except at the end their game wasn’t utter garbage (which in my opinion was), so they got away with it and no one talked about it
LOL.
Nutter.
explain
“hey did EXACTLY what sean murray did except at the end their game”
NO
“except at the end their game wasn’t utter garbage”
Then they did not do what sean murray did you moron
” utter garbage (which in my opinion was), so they got away with it and no one talked about it
your opinion is irelevant on this site and any site for that matter because you are either braindamaged or a troll.
you brain damaged imbecile of a teen, cd projekt red lied exactly like infamous no man’s sky developer, you’re just happy with them because you got to easily pirate their drm free game, i bet my whole family’s life that you pirated witcher 3
downgrades console expansion season passes cd pr are bunch of pathetic liars
” People don’t really buy AAA games on PC in general.”
Pc sales keep increasing every year.
Witcher 2 console sales were meh.
“:Why do you think some developers don’t even take the PC port seriously and release a terribly optimized game”
Becuase they suck and by the way those devs get less and less ever year. Now even indie japanesse games port games on pc.
>People don’t really buy AAA games on PC in general.
PC gamers don’t buy heavily-marketed, overhyped AAA games in general; gullible console kids do. “AAA” does not equal quality; AAA equals big budget and that’s all.
Especially bad console port jobs sold at higher prices for gimped versions, why the hell should anyone ever buy into bad practices like that?.
There is no sane answer to that at all,
yes, pc virgins only play free to play
How come the steam charts prove you wrong then?
Actually, console gamers skew much younger so if anyone was going to be a virgin, it’d be console gamers. Anyone’s grandma can get them a PS4 at Walmart. A 10yo isn’t likely to build a $1000 PC.
Nice try, though.
CD Projekt RED nearly went bust because of the abysmal sales of Witcher 2 on Xbox.
The same happened with Crytek with Ryse when they released it just on Xbox.
The grass is not always greener on the other side as both these companies found out to their detriment.
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pc gaming need denuvo for survive !
Didnt you get banned 4 times? Why are the highest selling games not using denuvo ten?
Denuvo + UWP + always online
How come those games dont sell then?
it’s true pc gamers are pirates.
*Corsairs!
Arr!
Sales dissagree.
torrents agree
I know that many PC gamers pirate, but don’t pretend that piracy wasn’t huge on consoles. PS1, PS2, PSP, Nintendo’s handhelds, Wii and Xbox 360… piracy was huge on them.
Absolutely, First thing my friends did when they got a PS1 all those years ago was add a mod chip.
Mod chip allowed playing of copied games, Piracy was worse than on PC when PS1 came out.
Go to Sunday market and you would see stalls of pirated PS1 games for $5.
Greed is the biggest factor, Make games affordable regardless of platform and they will sell!
It’s not rocket science.
I am a pc gamer, Haven’t pirated in over 12 years. No need as there are legal and legit ways to get good deals now, Wait for Steam sales, GoG sales etc etc
I just wait instead of paying full price at launch, Have huge backlog of legally bought games to play, so if anything new comes out there is no rush i can wait till its on sale. 😉
Stop being impatient pr!cks and save money so you can buy more in the long run.
1,00,000 downloads =/= 1,000,000 sales lost, however, no matter how much Hollywood & co try to pretend otherwise.
HE TALKED ABOUT IT ON YOUTUBE! *COPYRIGHT CLAIM FILED!*
Actually, Nintendo has actually reduced themselves to doing just that, you know. They’ve DMCA’d videos that give their games positive coverage, because the “F*CK YOU” is strong with these people.
What about torrents? Do you even know how the methodology works? They multiply possible lost sales….lol it even sound stupid, by the number of copy pasted torrents and then increase the possible lost sales numbers by a factor of how many people download that torrent.
AKA BS!!
You mean the torrents full of PS1, PS2, GC, N64, Wii, WiiU, PS3, X360 games, etc. etc. etc. etc.? Those torrents? Yes, they do agree, consoles are the best and easiest place to pirate.
Lol
Gta v on pc is 7 milion
On ps3 28 milion
Im sorry but today you can ignore the pc market 😉
Again? I’m getting really tired of repeating myself;
GTA V on SteamSpy doesn’t factor in physical sales that don’t go through Steam.
Also, VGChartz isn’t a reliable source, so stop acting like it is.
F*ck’s sake, I’m getting really tired of repeating myself on this……
You shouldn’t have to, mods should have perma’d this troll by now. He’s going well out of his way to express his disdain for the users and the site itself as well as the platform, that should be well more than enough. to eject him.
They have 4 times he keeps making new accounts.
They delayed GTA 5 on PC for several years. I’m surprised it sold that well.
Btw it sold 7.3 million just on steam but the main place to get GTA 5 like I did was Rockstar Launcher not steam.
Please come back with the real sales figures not just half the picture, troll.
That game was not available on pc you freaking idiot how can it sell more if it was not available you moron. If you can ignore the pc market why is it that even yakuza is coming to pc? Face it pc is the future consoles are dying.
what sales?
torrents agrees
Oh you know steamspy proving that sales increase over time
For good measure, a repeat:
You mean the torrents full of PS1, PS2, GC, N64, Wii, WiiU, PS3, X360 games, etc. etc. etc. etc.? Those torrents? Yes, they do agree, consoles are the best and easiest place to pirate.
That’s funny, considering I pirated the entire PS1 and most of the PS2 lifetime through highschool and college. Funny indeed.
Who knew? Consoles can be pirated too. *gasp*
You know what else? PS3 / X360 pirates got all features of their pirated games. Full updates, online play, achievements. Do PC get that? I didn’t think so.
Maybe you should change your statement to, “it’s true console gamers are pirates” ? It’s far, far more beneficial to pirate on consoles than PC’s.
Why I buyed Life is Strange? Because they gave me to play first episode for free, and game were good, so I bought all episodes. And yes there was a cracked version on torrents, but I chosen to buy. Square Enix thanks for not believing in us.
Somebody, hold me, I may end up dying of laughter XDDD
What a stupid bunch of corporate suits.I own more pc games that i ever owned on any consoles combined and i buy all my games but still refuse to buy one with denuvo.Everytime a dev remove the denuvo crap and the game seems good i buy it.They seems to not understand that pc gamers are more difficult to please than console players.We will not settle for a half broken game on pc.Make a good pc port and ill buy it,if not i will not even pirate it i will not care at all.
The industry sell more games than they ever did before and often the pc version sell almost as much or more as the consoles one.They are just hypocrites.Pirating is a very small part in the balance they still thinking like in the 80’s.Please its time to put in charge younger peoples who understand how its works,exit the old farts that struggle to understand a market they hate.
Not to mention the consoles second-hand sales market, which is always conveniently forgotten when such arguments come up with publishers & developers, since they know there’s very little they’re legally permitted to do about it, unlike digital downloading which has two decades of MPAA & RIAA b*tching & moaning behind it to stand on.
It’s funny how they have balls to call us pirates, to drag that old mentality from the 90’s every few eyars, yet the second hand market still exists, it died on PC a long time ago and won’t ever be coming back, yet consoles somehow manage to support it with each gen and they even support retailers all the way.
What blows my mind is they have the gall to whine when their digital game prices are insane, no digital game should cost more than the physical, the labor, the plastic, the sending out millions of copies gig doesn’t exist in the digital space, it’s upload, hit send, done. Are we paying 50% more towards those people pressing the enter key from the head office?.
“Are we paying 50% more towards those people pressing the enter key from the head office?”
Yup 😀
I mean, come on, don’t you know how much effort it takes for a dinosaur to press down a key on a keyboard? Sheesh, come on mate, think about it from their point of view; they have to actually find the right key, curl up their extra fingers, move their arthritis-infested limbs into position & then move that aforementioned limb downwards into a keystroke motion…….
;D
Exactly my thoughts.Piracy on console exist too plus the second hand market is like 50 % and more of stores like ebgames etc. and instead of targeting the real problems they still blaming pc gamers every chance they get.Steam and alike alone make them hundreds of millions every years and it still not enough.
I said it a thousand times,you want your game to sell well ? Put out a quality game at a reasonnable price,give a good support after and dont plague him with DLC and your will have a hit.Put this bullshit on pc gamers tough and your game will fall into oblivion and sell like crap.
SE was obviously sarcastic
+1, dude…… ^^
For legend of chusen 3, mydramalist com already has it : http://mydramalist.com/24223-noble-aspirations-iii
Lol “a friend of mine” played a little bit of human divided for free before buying it in steam so in that case thanks to the cracker teams “he” bought a square enix game. The only antipiracy vaccine should be constant patches or great online content (like Hitmans) that make the consumers actually want to pay for the game.
” or great online content (like Hitmans)”
If you consider weapon unlocks to be great online content that is.
Pretty sure he’s talking about contracts
good because if he was talking about elusive targets id be mad.
I not consider that precisely, but further playable content and missions and a creative community
More like “Thanks to you, people hate to play our games”.
*people hate to buy & play our games.”
Fixed ;P
And here I was foolishly hoping for NieR Automata to have Denuvo removed… Hahaha… I need a drink.
This is the type of moronic disconnect i expect from Square Enix anyways.
Denuvo dont mean sh*t. Those that want to pirate will pirate and those that want to buy will buy.
Only a company as completely idiotic as SE, would praise this pile of trash DRM that puts expiration dates on games. It’s not stupid enough that old CDROM DRM has made some games unusable today, now digital games will share in the joy of non functionality in the near future. Get f**ked SE.
Protip too, as you’re too stupid to realize it seems. No, people don’t have to buy the game. They are cracked in hilariously short time frames these days.
Makes you wonder how PC gaming survived for…. oh………. what, 35 YEARS before Denuvo came along? Those dirty PC pirates. FINALLY PC gaming can make money.
Thanks to all those companies that made PC games with ZERO profit for the last 35 years. Right?
When will the stupidity stop?
It barely survived. It was teetering for a good ten years except for the normal big games.
What.
I have a idea of what you are talking about but then you add 10 years and big games and i no longer have that idea anymore. Soooooo WTF you talking about exactly?
I own 428 games on steam that don’t use denuvo and i still pirated Hitman and DeuxEx even tough they use denuvo. Special thanks to cpy for the incredible service your team provide.
Oh look a game not coming to pc…..PETITON !1!!!1!1!1
Omg get a life seriously have you got no life at all you got banned 4 times.
oh and de de blob 2 got released on steam, if pc gaming is so bad why they keep putting so many games on it?
Funny, i don’t buy games until denuvo gets removed.
“Sleeping Dogs is an awesome game and it sold well but we won’t invest in the second one”
Whats that? Legacy of Kain game? It is made like the sucessfull shadow of mordor? Nah cancel that.
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver.
/Respect.
Yeah it has its flaws, sadly.
😛
Square is sinking to Konami levels of low
“gamers are pirates and that they wouldn’t buy games otherwise”
i guess they really want us to pirate their games
biting the hand that feeds them…
They havent finished the sentence correctly.
Heres the complete sentence.
”Thanks to you, people have to buy our games TOO SEE THE PIECE OF SH*T THEY ARE”
technicaly the Denuvo itself its a pirated product.
Asswipe nier automata still not patched and even with the 30% off i wont buy it
SE treats PC like crap anyway, between their shoddy older FF mobile ports, Nier still remaining unpatched and no FFXV, they really show that they don’t care that much for PC. They definitely 100% care for Sony because it’s their favorite nippon ally in the console war.
I remember when PS3 was failing early last gen and how they actually (god forbid SE, god forbid) had to make deals with other platforms and actually cater to them as well, then Sony turned things around near the end of the gen and ruled the roost this gen, SE came crawling back and joined their Japanese comrade in their continued partnership.
SE can claim they love the west till the cows come home, but it’s obvious they will always cater to their smaller japanese market first then the west later, and on their terms, not ours.
They’ve already screwed over their expectations over the years as well as studios like I/O, they honestly don’t deserve the popularity and praise they receive per title release. They are praised for FF all the way despite only a few of them being decent, others now dated and outdated.
I bet they will ham and hype up the super late console port of FFXV, then turn around and offer it as some free update or version for PS5 owners by 2020.
if you steal games you are a thief and a pos: FACT!
stop pointing the finger at the visitor of this site
I will NEVER pay for a game from these A-Holes. They can go to hell!
as long as that specific company deserves it like EA , that or the fact that they’re not fair on their regional pricing
So from the thousands in existence a grand total of two devs and one publisher were willing to publicly support Denuvo. Embarrassing!
Funny, Denuvo is why I still haven’t bought Nier Automata.
I spend over $2000 a year on games and I refuse to buy games with DRM so all they have done is make me take my business elsewhere to those who value me more.
Sounds like you spend a lot more than you can finish
I certainly do. My backlog is in the hundreds and growing every week. Some developers work hard to earn my money though by providing demos, DRM free versions and Linux versions. If I have the disposable money to throw them some coin for their efforts then I do.
I love how some people have a need to be Jesus. Some do it by blowing money like they are in da club every week, others do it by wasting all their free time doing something they don’t have to, and then complaing how they have no free time.
Yeah I spend about $40 a week on games, that’s club money alright haha. I’m even better than Jesus my child, i’m actually real.
I certainly do. My backlog is in the hundreds and growing. Many developers work hard to earn my money by providing demos, DRM free versions and Linux versions. I throw them coin when I can. It’s why when some publisher wants to piss on me by using crap like Denuvo I just laugh because I have so many other games to choose from.
S/E is such a joke they can’t even make a proper Final Fantasy PC port. S/E gets rid of all their good PC developers. After the whole deal with united front. I say f = k S/E.
Square Enix are a bunch of salty clowns lol, they always have been against PC gamers. They will probably just get targeted even more now.
GOG rules !
yes for pirates
AUCH
They’re kinda right. I tend to get them on that great store that has awesome sales though.
What’s it called again…… CPY? Baldman? Steam…….? STEAMPUNKS!
Ya, those stores have the best deals. Be sure to look for sales from them. Unbelievably good prices!
They only think about short-term profit and didn’t care about quality of their games, I mean not its graphic but its contents (even FF15 that currently on console f***ed up on its storytelling). Not all Denuvo protected games from SE are good, only a few, a little.
If they think about quality of their games, maybe even without using Denuvo, their games will be as popular as CD Projekt’s The Witcher 3 and of course it’ll sell well like theirs.
such a trash movie this film was
to bad Denuvo has been cracked already.i guess they didnt get the memo?…lmao
I didn’t buy Just Cause 3, because it was broken on launch and it has denuvo. Denuvo will not stop pirates, but it will stop modders from fixing any broken performance.
At least 5 games of my steam library uses some kind of performance fix. With Denuvo any of these fixes will be detected as a cracking attempt, despite the game being there on my Steam Library.
my god 263 comments, John bro if you feel like your site isn’t getting enough views, just chew out a Denuvo article okay fam ^_^?
Just more reasons to love CD PROJECT RED
no definitely not but lying so hard about it is pathetic
Ignorance is bliss.
“thanks to you guys that people have to buy the game”
DRAGON QUEST HEROES II
Hitman
Deus Ex MKD
all 3 were protected and failed. even RotTR sold less than it’s prequel. yeah NO.
I didn’t get the memo. Didn’t buy the game, whichever one they’re talking about. I haven’t bought anything from Square since DEHR.
Square ruined a lot of its games by mutilating them and shoving microtransactions and ultimately they have themselves to blame for poor sales.
Make a good game, appreciate customers business, and people will buy it. That is what CD Project Red and GOG demonstrate.
Dumb PR move
June 25th is also the SAME day neir automata was cracked. Ironic anyone? Haha
“Thanks to you I’m not buying the game.” snafets
I bought Rime as soon as it dropped it and I’ll buy Mass Effect when i’m sure it was no “accident” and stays out. I’m pro DRM as long as it do no harm to the customers and developer should start make it a habit to remove DRM after they got what the DRM was for. In Denuvos case boost the sales in the first months.
Denuvo is RIP find better secure