While the PS4 version of NieR Automata is currently scheduled for a March 7th release, there is still no word for the release date of the game’s PC version. And from the looks of it, NieR Automata may be slightly delayed on the PC.
In a recent stream, NieR Automata’s producer, Yosuke Saito, claimed that the Steam version of the game may be slightly delayed. While PlatinumGames is currently working on it, Yosuke Saito claimed that they (PlatinumGames and Square Enix) will have to do something about the piracy that plagues the PC platform.
Furthermore, Yosuke Saito stated that some ‘recent certain games‘ were broken on the PC during their launch period, and that’s something that PlatinumGames is not comfortable with.
Yosuke Saito claimed that it won’t take long to release NieR Automata on Steam, however it’s almost certain at this point that the game won’t be released alongside its PS4 brother.
We do know that Square Enix implements the Denuvo anti-tamper tech in its titles, so it will be interesting to see whether NieR Automata will be powered by Denuvo or not.
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“Yosuke Saito some recent certain games were broken on the PC, and that’s something that PlatinumGames is not comfortable with.” isnt Saito producer from Square Enix side and not PG???
Also Square had denuvo so far only in their Eidos titles… japanese ones was always steamworks only
Fine with this. Delayed is better than not getting it at all.
Delayed to polish the PC ver? Super fine!
Now I want FF15 and Kingdom Hearts games on Steam.
too bad this delay seems to be “to implement DRM” instead of “to polish PC version”
Not to mention while delaying for polish is better than releasing a bad port, it is not needed. it is not rocket science. other companies already proved it with even bigger projects.
Good job twisting my words.
It would be excellent if you would provide some proof about that “Known to screw the game” I am waiting. I do not support DRM, but stop with this BS.
In short, Sony said me first and here is the check.
That what happend sony paid thm to delay the pc version. Just like microsoft paid capcom and square enix to dealy dead rising 4 and rise of the tomb raider ps4 versions.
Yeah, both are s***ty practices.
In dead rising and tomb raider case it was a good thing because ps4 is eenmy of pc gaming so microsoft by making then pc and xbox for 1 year hurted sony a lot. I hope ms do it for most if not all of the games in the future so ps can die and then those console gamers come to pc.
Yeah, because the best thing that can happen to console gaming at this point in time isn’t even a Microsoft monopolised-market, it’s a Microsoft-exclusive market!
Definitely.
Yeap.
Totally.
Absolutely.
/eyeroll.
Sony is bad, MS is worst.
Got any proof on that Sony paid them?.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa7d1878669556fa32930e41cedc332082c93886bb4e4342cd9b4923ca33e8ee.jpg
Baha! lol
I forgot about this! *(instant smile)*
xD
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Anyway I think anyone with a brain knows that PS4 is lead platform for a Japanese dev it’s not rocket science. Sony never has to pay for Japanese games to come to their system.
No, but they happily pay to delay them on other platforms. Recently they even felt compelled to buy a 3 months exclu for UMvC3, a 2011 fg re-release.
I wanna see the receipts.
It is all marketing, there is no one that pays for promote the game on PC, where as in the console market, there is. Simple.
I posted some sort of receipt for Nier, but it’s a youtube video and
apparently this site doesn’t like that, my comment is hidden.
Anyway, it’s youtube so fill the url yourself and add “watch?v=” then “iJgzJZiys-c&t=3229” (without the “)
“Exclusive”. That’s a moneyhat, either monetarily or through promotion. Steam logo is gone from ALL marketing, site everything, the game does not exist on PC atm. Only reason they can’t outright deny its existence is because they already announced it months back, too late for that now and they already gave interviews where they basically admitted PC was the lead platform during development.
I know about that, I’m just saying that everyone likes to thrown “moneyhatting” around like it is some sort of shady deal with two people in suits exchanging cases with money under the table. xD
Exclusivity sucks, but we have to understand the f*cked up market we live in right now. Marketing dominates everything, development costs are pocket change compared to what some companies spend with promotion.
And what is even more f*cked up is that the whole industry moves towards that, as in, if you don’t spend a huge amount of money on marketing you’re in for a royal knobbing.
That’s mostly what happens with this sorts of things, on consoles the money return in relation with the marketing+dev costs is higher, since the public is more alienated and captive, where as on PC the difference in public/audience is huuuuuuuge, so spending that much money in marketing is a high risk.
It sucks, but, if we choose PC, we have to learn do deal with these sucky things.
This f*cking industry. ¬_¬
“I’m just saying that everyone likes to thrown “moneyhatting” around like it is some sort of shady deal with two people in suits exchanging cases with money under the table. xD”
It’s not?
Damn. THE MOVIES LIED!
Those bastards.
Like System of a Down once sang, “You should’ve/never trusted Hollywooooood”
xP
Depends on which specific company we’re on about, I think. I mean, yeah, they’re generally in the sh*tter as a whole, but certain divisions are doing better than others, to be fair.
You are Alive 😀 where were you ?
My ISP broke the neighbourhood’s [technical thingy], & since they’re morons, it took them ages to fix….. I figured I’d take advantage of the vacation to watch some backlogged bullsh*t, but then I ran out of stuff to watch, so I ended up switching ISP’s ^^
😀
lol, dealing with any sort of tech support is a nightmare.
Well ofcourse they’re doing well with all the cheap amd tech the sold for extortionate prices.
Outraaaaaaaage!
At least they are being slightly honest about it. xD
No one cares. The game will be cracked in 19 days just like Tales Of Berseria. ;p
i thought everyone knew that already.
Great… this will force PC pirates to actually fork out money to play games. PCMasterBeggar
Hey look yet another console fanboy that does nothing but troll this site. Don’t you have anything better to do with your pathetic life?
It’s a shame that mods let them roll about this site to cause trouble. Dtoid usually shuts down those types of people within the day.
Oh because consoles never get hacked right?
But I’ve been buying my games https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aeda9711fd52506dd07e4c39fba61b14a6e5484b92d500f210d7fce8e783af24.png
Nice list 😀
I will buy the new Senran Kagura game that comes next month.
Not many games you have played
Funnily enough this is the closest news we’ve had on a PC release window up until this point.
I think, from the wording, it’s clear they are thinking of getting it rolled out within a matter of weeks, rather than like 6-12 months later, as some might have initially thought.
Also: Pirates can’t break your Denuvo protection if you don’t use Denuvo protection 😀
…slightly delayed from when? We didn’t even know when it was supposed to come out to begin with, LOL.
Actually, the release date was already announced. Guess you’re living under a rock, sorry 🙁
Actually it never was for PC.
Guess you been living under a rock as well, Square Enix confirmed the game would come to PC (Steam) on Gamescom (2016).
Uhm, please read my post again.
The PC release date was never announced. Only the Console release date.
Release date for Steam was a mistake.
Reading comprehension: F
Release date for Steam was a mistake…
The PC version got a release date? I know that the PS4 version is out soon.
Delusional PCgamers thinking that the Javs cares about them ( ?° ?? ?°)
They seem to care now. Remeber when about 6 years ago the only Japan developer who was releasing their games on pc was Capcom and even them they were delaying them? Now all Japan developers are releasing their games on pc and most of them at the same time. I can understand however that they might be worried due ot how Dishonored 2 Batman Arkham Knight Mafia 3 were released on pc and want to avoid it by delaying the pc verion. We dont kant another Arkham Knight or another mafiia do we?
I understand that. Of couse it is not due to piracy becausse they know that with denuvo they can delay piracy enough(from weeks to months) for the game to sell well.
Hope they don’t implement Denuvo.
yes…piracy hurt PC gaming *_*
Hope someday,we never see piracy in this infinite sea (PC) and companies released their games without any worries…
I think they delayed because of new version of Denuvo
Has piracy in general been stopped completely?, not talking digital PC piracy but the general act of piracy itself, if the answer is no then you have your general answer.
“I think they delayed because of new version of Denuvo”
Probably.
oh hell no .. i’ve been saving up to buy this game. you can implement denuvo for all I care just release it alongside the PS4 version ;_;
then release it on windows store only if not comfortable with piracy
OR make a game people want to pay money for instead of making a game you think people might possibly pay money for but if they dont we’ll put some archaic DRM in to make sure they don’t for at least a week .
That and make a game that actually runs well on our systems, rather than it being a borked console port that is further bogged down with DRM.
Someone tell Saito and Platinum team about CD Projekt Red’s DRM stance, and how they won their customers
I’m lost. What’s up with GOG & DRM?
Oh, f*ck.
and another developer i will no longer support…. sad as i liked platinum and always bought there console games day 1… heck i even bought the original nier within a week of launch because i heard it was so amazing.
#NoDenuvo
So, now SE japanese are in dark side? Using Denuvo because “piracy hurt the industry”? What idiots, never listen the community, publishing a game without DRM attracts players, a game well polished and optimized too, worth to buy.
“B-But it will be pirated!!”, pirated copy doesn’t equals one buy, idiots!!
?
Thieves are idiots or developers who want to protect their hard work?
Protect their project from who? From phantasms that will never buy the game? Hurting customers with a disgusting DRM? Learn from CD Projekt, you and SE/PlatinumGames.
cd projekt sold 2/3 of their copies on consoles.
And? That’s standard. Each individual platform generally accounts for 1 in 3 sales, unless the game in question originated on one specific system or another, &/or was until recently exclusive to one or more systems.
consoles are 1 platform not 2. its not like you divide up pc between amd and nvidia.
1/3 of the sales for such an pc centric developer is underperforming.
What.
“Consoles” are two (sometimes more, especially historically) distinct platforms. What, you think when publishers report sales figures they group them as “PC” & “Console”? Hell no, that’s something websites do.
Sales reports list the numbers on a per-platform basis, i.e. PC, PS3/PS4, X360/XONE. Then, the Platform Warriors group them together into “PC” & “console” categories in order to over-inflate their pathetic, tiny butthurt ego’s.
“CDPR” is “PC-centric”? What’s “PC-centric” about them these days, exactly? Witcher 2 was a consolised joke, & Witcher 3 doesn’t even have good mod tools. They’re barely any more PC-centric than DICE is, anymore.
Try again.
>”CDPR” is “PC-centric”? What’s “PC-centric” about them these days, exactly? Witcher 2 was a consolised joke, & Witcher 3 doesn’t even have good mod tools.
And the reason is? Cause consoles are a DRMed platform with no piracy thus higher sales figures.
>Sales reports list the numbers on a per-platform basis, i.e. PC, PS3/PS4, X360/XONE. Then, the Platform Warriors group them together into “PC” & “console” categories in order to over-inflate their pathetic, tiny butthurt ego’s.
cause it makes sense when comparing consoles to a vastly different PC, in particular when talking about Piracy and DRM. Consoles are artificially divided up in vendors but actually very similar to each other
“Consoles” “no piracy”. A myth, spread by idiots & sycophants, much like the “consoles have no hackers” myth. Check any torrent website, if you don’t want to take my word for it.
Yes, & no. It’s important to know “console” vs. PC numbers, sure, but they shouldn’t be taken as The Holy Grail, especially considering how different the PC & console playerbases are in terms of size, focus, etc.
there is not even a hack out for consoles. But okay somehow people are pirating unpalatable games
Like I said, if you don’t want to take my word for it, just check the torrent sites.
Oh, & google “console hacks”, of course.
older firmwares of the ps4 are cracked and you can play pirated games on them, nobody in the piracy scene has cared about xbox for ages since 99% of xbox exclusives are on pc at some point, i have a n3dsxl, psvita, ps3, ps2, and ps1 all of which are hacked to let me play pirated copies, my vita even emulates psp games with 100% accuracy, there’s ps3 a emulator on pc which is really close to running AAA games at 100% speed, not to mention that the ps3 and xbox360 were riddled with hackers.
as for the the nintendo consoles, the wii and the gamecube have a 100% accurate emulator in dolphin, hardware wii’s have bootmii for playing pirated games on them, the wiiu is cracked to played pirated games, the 3ds is cracked to such a degree that even if nintendo released a new version of the 3ds it would be cracked in days.
and sony’s newest handheld the vita just a few days ago got cracked wide open, full lv0 access which means piracy on any firmware, and before that people with 3.6 vitas could pirate games as well, and run pirated psp games also.
I don’t get how people still believe that outdated myth still. I guess it depends on where you live. Even back in the 16 bit and 32 bit era living in the US I would think that counterfit pirated console games where non existant, but down in other countries like much of South America (due to ridiculous taxes) there was ton’s of counter fitting and piracy even back then.
Now days there is even more, thanks to internet, the increasing speed which emulators are brought online too. I freaking have a wiiU emulator and 3ds emulator, these are consoles that are still out on the market!
There is no 3ds emulator, or a wiiu emulator, theres a Wii emulator and DS emulator though.
Citra is a 3D emulator runs many games.
Cemu is a WiiU emulator and runs most games if not all.
Wrong.
There is a 3DS emulator
it’s called Citra and it works with multiple games. Just no 3D.
There is a WiiU emulator it is called Cemu and it works with even more games. Cemu works so well infact you can now play a game like Super Mario 3D World at 4K off of a single GTX 980 so that it looks way better than the original 720p version
Both are free, both require only a bit of effort to get up, Cemu is much more far along but Citra is making strides.
I know a guy that knows this one idiot, he’s such a sycophant for Microsoft, no matter what you say to him, or how much evidence you provide him with, he thinks it’s all fake, “because Microsoft can do no wrong!”
/eyeroll
Like, seriously, you remember AmigaBot? Well, imagine a worse version of him, IRL, that doesn’t even get paid to thoroughly defend Microsoft’s bullsh*t, & yet is as ardently dedicated to their defence as a die-hard religious extremist……
>.>
o right there are no pc centric devs cause pc gamers are pirating the games anyways. What is only left is the pandering to the pc crowd with muh drm free.
Nowadays singleplayer wise is a console port
There are no PC-centric developers left because they all chose to wh*re themselves out to console manufacturers in return for bribes, instead.
That, &/or just generally degrading their games for easier multi-platform development, “because greed.”
Nobody needs to go multi-platform, like some developers have claimed in the past – people go multi-platform because they want to, & as a result, they get lazy, & instead of making a separate PC & console version, they make a single, unified, degraded version that runs on conslows first, & PC’s second, because conslows are the standing weakest link.
Are you mentally challenged?
There’s XBOX and Playstation. Those are two different platforms.
1 platform just different brands
You’re wrong. PC’s can be a console, BY DEFINITION.
“Also called game(s) console, gaming console, video-game console. a computer system specially made for playing video games by connecting it to a television or other display for video and sound.”
If you build your PC to game, or buy a pre-built gaming PC, then it is by definition a console. So I guess PC is a console too, and by your logic, Witcher 3 only sold on consoles.
Also, the definition of a gaming platform is: “a computer system specially made for playing video games; a console”.
Notice that it doesn’t say “a group of consoles”. But a “console”. Each console is a gaming platform. Steam, Origin and uPlay are also different platforms within the PC platform.
Damn!
They are 2 platforms because you cannot play software from one in the other. If you wanted a PC version of that analogy it would be like the difference between PC and Mac. They day you can pop a PS4 game into an XBone and an XBone game into a PS4 and they run fine I will conceed they are one platform. Till then they are 2.
Okay, I’m going offtopic in this thread, but holy $hit, Zat is back! The comment section in DSOG felt a bit empty without you…
How’s it been and, because I’ve been worried that your personal stalker got to you. :))
Na, my ISP crashed the neighbourhood’s [insert technical name here] for a couple of weeks, so I decided to take a vacation, then after running out of backlogged sh*t to watch, I got bored & switched ISP’s entirely instead, so…..
I’M BACK, B*TCHES!
😀
I’m good, but I do have to wonder if I missed anything fun? ^^
Not necessarily. I mean, apart from the article about Microsoft promising more beautiful lies about more exclusive PC games. That was something to behold in the comments. 🙂
Oh, I caught the tail end of that one!
Glorious. Truly, just glorious.
No, you need to seriously think this over. Witcher 3 is by far more well known on PC. Millions of people know the game, the torrent alone breaks records in downloads.
Yet, if it did not exist on console 2/3rds of their profit would be gone. Witcher 3 made lots of profit not because it didn’t use DRM on PC, but the fact that it was on a console.
And let’s talk about margins here. You have to pay the console manufacturer, the physical product, cuts from retailers themselves. A single PC purchase is *significantly* more profitable than a single game sale on console (hense why it’s discounted so much). So even if a few people bought the game legally, it still would make a huge impact to profit.
But yet it did not.
Why? Because people stole the game.
Absurd. For one, you’re assuming that if Witcher 3 was a PC-exclusive, quite a few of those console sales (I’m assuming you meant sales, not profits per-se) wouldn’t have been transferred over to PC sales, instead, which is ridiculous.
For another, Witcher is a very well known IP, period, which as of Witcher 3 has been multi-platform for two entries. If we were discussing Witcher 2, I’d agree that PC-dominant sales figures would be in order, absolutely, but for Witcher 3? With all that hype, marketing, word of mouth, & platform precedents in the form of Witcher 2? Yeah, no. Not to mention the launch of a new console generation.
There’s a mirror situation to this one in the form of Mass Effect to look at, if you want another example; Mass Effect started as an Xbox-exclusive, then got a PC port, then Mass Effect 2 was multi-platform (PC/X360, with the PS3 coming in a year later), until finally Mass Effect 3 was the platform trinity, all launched together, yet the Xbox version never massively outsold the other two, regardless of its Xbox origins.
Yes, each individual PC sales makes for more money than each individual console sale, so what? Nobody’s ever mentioned platform-based profit margins in regards to Witcher 3, so I’m not sure what you’re going on about. We’re discussing sales figures, not profit margins, the two are completely different things. The official Witcher 3 platform sales state that the PC is responsible for 1-in-3 (if not more, since we last got word before the Game of the Year re-release) sales, not 1/3rd of the total profits.
But you do remind me of a good point; considering the PC’s higher profit margins per-sale, a 1-in-3 sales margin for the PC means the PC is actually the single, highest grossing platform in the trinity, even though that’s not exactly news to anyone.
Edit: Article on DSOG summarises this up quite well, actually, even though it is from almost a year ago;
CD Projekt RED’s Marcin Iwinski: “Most of The Witcher sales are for the PC”
MARCH 2, 2016
But don’t forget that there’s no second hand market on the pc. Buying used games is actually worse than pirating the game.
There are second hand markets on PC, CD key reseller. And yes, those are worse than pirating the game itself. But at least with used games, while it is considered piracy in a sense at least the developers didn’t have to pay the fees of charge backs from banks from it.
Kind of a given when the game released on three platforms…
“From phantasms” :)) lol
Total War: Warhammer is the fastest-selling Total War game ever”google it”
it is just phantasms :))
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steamspy*com/app/391040
it is just phantasms :))
Pirates are Sweets :))
“Hurting customers with a disgusting DRM?”
I buy 70% games that use denuvo,I don’t see any hurt from Denuvo,ops I forget only thieves can see the hurting :))
Yes I learn from CD Projeckt :))you know,what is it?
I never buy games that got cracked :))
I don’t care about someone who don’t care about himself.
why I should pay 60$ for games while I do not have any difference with the Pirate?hum?
yes piracy hurt the industry 😉
what the heck are you talking about? Nonsense, that what I read.
It’s ok. He’s an idiot……
Apparently he thinks you meant all PC users are “Phantasms”
He didn’t seem to understand your very clear point that people that don’t pay for games ever, are the only ones that this really effects, sales wise. Long term wise, he doesn’t realize that once denuvo is outmoded, he’s gonna lose access to 70% of the games that he claims to purchase 🙂
Yones? = Please get a vasectomy or your tubes tied, whichever. We don’t need you accidentally procreating…..
“he’s gonna lose access to 70% of the games that he claims to purchase :-)”
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here I don’t see any lose access…every time I want,I can play my games!
Thieves must wait to steal the games 😉
Denuvo has an online check portion, which require internet-connected servers to clear. As long as that check isn’t disabled, once Denuvo’s servers inevitably, eventually go down, so too will your access to;
– Batman: Arkham Knight
– Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
– Dishonored 2
– For Honour
– Hitman
– Homefront: The Revolution
– Just Cause 3
– Lords of the Fallen
– Mad Max
– Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
– Resident Evil 7 Biohazard
– Rise of the Turd Raider
– Sniper Elite 4
– Watch_Dogs 2
Damn, that’s like, 90% of your library! :O
Well, unless, of course, you download the pirate cracks………..
Nice of them to so thoroughly assrape legitimate owners, isn’t it?
A baseless talk of a pirate,nice one
“Denuvo has an online check portion, which, by definition, requires internet-connected servers to clear”
Every steam games need this request,wtf are you talking about?
“Denuvo’s servers inevitably, eventually go down”
what will happen if steam server go down?wtf are you talking about?
“you download the pirate cracks” Never download cracks for Denuvo games,because I respect the decision of Developers to protect their hard work,But I love to download crack for games they don’t use Denuvo and don’t care about their hard work,like Witcher 3 😉
Steam has an offline mode, Denuvo doesn’t, try again.
Valve can at least be trusted to implement a permanent offline solution if/when they choose to shut down the Steam Store. Other such companies, on the other hand, for example, die-hard anti-piracy companies like Denuvo, not so much.
You don’t even need a crack for the Witcher 3, since it’s available DRM-free, but nice try, kiddo.
Try again, though.
“Steam has an offline mode, Denuvo doesn’t, try again.”
????????
Denuvo isn’t DRM to have offline mode,genius =))
“You don’t even need a crack for the Witcher 3”
Crack=Free
I’m starting to wonder if you even understand English, especially considering how poorly you seem to write it.
Wow Zatara if i were you i would just ignore him at this point. He clearly has trouble with speaking and understanding English.
Yeah, but it’s been a while, & I always like a good, long, overly-drawn out argument, anyway ^^
;D
Well i just had my daily dose of Internet “specialists” so i’m gonna let you handle this :P.
Denuvo is a DRM measure. It is by definition.
“Steam has an offline mode, Denuvo doesn’t, try again.”
That’s not true.
See above.
I don’t need to. Although previous iterations of Denuvo do need constant checking (which is atrocious), new iterations seem to only need the initial check, like Steam does through the game’s installation.
Oh? Interesting.
It definitely is. And I hope it is true. I also hope that Denuvo puts some kind of “self-destruct” code in their own software. Meaning that it would render itself useless after 3-4 years. This would prevent older games from being “virtual paperweights” if Denuvo as a company goes bankrupt. I say 3-4 years because I would say that if Denuvo goes bankrupt 3 years after X game is released, that the publisher/developer would be kind enough to release a patch for that, since 3 years is still relatively close to the game’s post-launch updates/content.
A timed release self-destruct sequence would be amazing, & I hope that would be the case, but considering these are the same people who made SecuROM – The DRM That Doesn’t Uninstall, No Matter How Hard You Try! back in the day, I’m not holding my breath over it, sadly.
Not to mention, even if they themselves changed tune, I’m not sure how publishers would feel about such things, especially now that they’ve stopped focusing solely & exclusively on just the launch window profits, & started looking at games as a longer-returning investment (somewhat, at least – overwhelming focus is still on the first week/fiscal quarter, to be fair).
I’d also have to wonder if such coding wouldn’t be a security risk, though, considering how arguably easy it would be for crackers to subvert the timer & speed it up a “little” in order to trigger the timed release years ahead of schedule, even with safeguards.
Although, there could be a contractual clause that indicates they’re required to remove the product after a fixed period, or if they stop paying that overly-bloated subscription fee. Either way, time will tell, I suppose.
“Damn, that’s like, 90% of your library! :O”
100% not 90%
WB games give me all batman games for s..t port Arkham Knight
Pre order Dishonored 2 got Dishonored RHPC
Pre order Rise of tomb rider 2016 got Tomb Rider 2013
– DOOM doesn’t have Denuvo anymore,
– INSIDE doesn’t have Denuvo anymore,
– Tomb Raider (2013) never had Denuvo.
So, yeah, not 100%.
Try again.
100%,because when steam server down i can’t play INSIDE,DOOM and Tomb Raider
Yeah, okay, great English comprehension there, mate.
Is there actually any proof that Devuno checks periodically? Because all I’ve read is otherwise. I’ve read that it checks on installation/first run and that you can then play those games offline.
There’s reports of a periodical online check that some people seem to have come across, mainly as a result of them being offline too long, of course.
It’s most likely safe to say, even if there is one, it’s not a 24-hour check, but even if it’s a weekly check or some such, the moment those servers go down, it’s only a matter of time.
Also, don’t forget that Denuvo is seemingly a long-term subscription-based service, rather than a one-time “buy & install” type deal, which would indicate ongoing support through the use of a periodic “server ping” style online check, of sorts, at the very least – arguably.
True.
But, like I said on a different reply to you, that seems to be an older version of Denuvo. I checked DOOM (a game that I haven’t played in 3 months or so, and a game that has had updates within those 3 months), and I was able to play it offline. I completely turned off my internet as well (I don’t know if Steam removes the game’s internet connection or not, so I just turned it off) and I was able to play the game. It was also pointed out to me that both Total War: WARHAMMER’s and Deux Ex: Mankind Divided’s Denuvo version works similarly, as in they don’t seem to need multiple checks to continuously play it offline.
Makes me wonder what in the f*ck companies are paying all those subscription fees for, then.
Especially considering cracking rates on Denuvo, these days.
The cracking rates haven’t been that great. There’s was a wave of cracks recently because CPY finally cracked through Denuvo’s latest public iteration. With that accomplishment, they were able to crack pretty much any game with that iteration (which included every 2016 game, as far as I know). But I’m sure that Denuvo is (almost) ready to release a new iteration of their DRM.
Oh definitely, but even so, without major reforms to the coding-base, I doubt even the “2017” iteration will hold out for very long. It’s harder to code good than it is to crack that coding, after all, especially when you’ve already become accustomed to the coding style & with that 90-days refund window, they bled out a lot of their 2016 business, so how long they can hold out in 2017 before the cracking spree resumes will probably be an indicator of how much money they’re actually going to make, thus indicating how much longer they’ll actually be able to remain afloat, as a viable business.
I mean, sure, there’ll always be die-hards willing to pay for even just a few days of security, but not most publishers, especially not at the premium rates they’re probably still charging.
I honestly don’t know, since I don’t know how much money they have. But I believe that they get enough money from EA to keep in business. Every single EA game has Denuvo (they probably have a deal), even games where it really doesn’t matter, like Battlefield 1. From what I know Denuvo is one studio, situated in Austria. You don’t really need a lot of money to run one studio. Now I don’t know how many people work for them, but evenso.
They probably get at least close to 1 million dollars (700K and up) from EA every year (EA has multiple games coming out throughout the year). But that’s just an assumption of mine. I assume that because they sell millions of copies on PC alone with every game they launch. Battlefield, Titanfall, Mass Effect, FIFA, STAR WARS, The Sims, Need for Speed and so on.
EA half-funded Denuvo’s development, alongside Sony, so I’m not sure if they get their licenses at an extremely reduced rate, or entirely free. Either way, sure, EA, Square Enix, U-BE-SOFT & a couple of other sociopaths might be enough to keep Denuvo in business, but that would still be one hell of a money sink for just a few days’ worth of protection, at this point.
Well i had this problem with both RotTR and DAI (every 72hours) and some others without changing hardware or updating any drivers etc… didn’t have this problem with BAK
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Ye. It seems to be older versions of Denuvo that are constantly being a virus (figuratively speaking, obviously)… Newer versions seem to not have to check after the initial installation.
Well BAK was older than the most of them and it was fine.
Might BAK doesn’t have Denuvo anymore. But I also had no problems. But I really don’t know…
It have Denuvo but who knows what publishers are doing. it’s a mess every way you look at it.
Yeah, because the industry has such a great track record when it comes to consumer’s rights in regards to DRM, right?
At best we can hope for a DRM-free re-release on GOG in about half a decade, if not more, which, of course, we’ll have to pay for. If Denuvo itself goes down, public outcry won’t matter for sh*t, since the company’ll be dissolving.
If it takes effort to remove it, then the publishers would probably do it on a case-by-case basis. If it’s easy, then they might do an en-masse removal, but that’s still on a per-publisher basis, rather than a global, guaranteed removal.
^This
There is NO REASON legitimate paying costumers should be punished by pirates who don’t give a sh*t about buying their games anyway! Pirates don’t care they hack their games eventually, yet legitimate costumers run the big possibility of loosing their games and also mod support. Why then should I give my money to companies that screw over their own paying costumers??
>Not having Tales of Berseria https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b20fcaead29d74b16120cfdf4851df5cecb36c057f42fded47e5e50c73ab349f.png
Berseria is cracked, if for some reason I don’t have Internet for a long time o Denuvo servers is down, I can play it cracked. Meanwhile there are others game that I can play without crack because doesn’t have sh**ty DRMs like Denuvo… Steam is like a DRM but I can play in offline mode for a long time, unlike Denuvo…
“I don’t have Internet for a long time o Denuvo servers is down”
Okey,SecuROM was dead,can you told me why I can play SecuROM Games?
SecuROM didn’t/doesn’t have an online check portion.
Try again.
Wow, you need to see therapist lol
“Total War: Warhammer is the fastest-selling Total War game ever”
And?
“I buy 70% games that use denuvo,I don’t see any hurt from Denuvo,ops I forget only thieves can see the hurting :))”
Give it some time……
“I never buy games that got cracked :))”
What the f*ck?
“why I should pay 60$ for games while I do not have any difference with the Pirate?hum?”
What.
Total War: Warhammer is the fastest-selling Total War game ever because of Denuvo.
it’s F1 2015VS F1 2016
steamspy*com/app/286570
steamspy*com/app/391040
F1 2016 use Denuvo and Of course sold more than F1 2015 Because of Denuvo…
Deal with it ?
Nitpicking serves to create the most absurd of arguments, for the record, since such ridiculous arguments can be oh-so-easily countered.
For example;
– Just Cause 3 sold like sh*t compared to its predecessors, regardless of the presence of Denuvo.
– Watch_Dogs 2 used Denuvo, it also sold extremely poorly.
– Rise of the Turd Raider didn’t seem magic unicorn numbers compared to Tomb Raider “because Denuvo” either.
I can keep going, if you’d like?
“Just Cause 3 sold like sh*t ”
because for most players game is s..t
Watch_Dogs 2 have poor sold in console too
Rise of the Tomb Raider PC sales almost triple that of Xbox One
“Watch_Dogs 2 have poor sold in console too
Rise of the Tomb Raider PC sales almost triple that of Xbox One”
And?
“because for most players game is s..t”
The game is great, it just runs like sh*t. Besides, that’s extremely subjective. I, for one, could say the new Total War is sh*t, but hey, again, opinion, not fact.
“The game is great”
store*steampowered*com/app/225540/#app_reviews_hash
And I repeat, due to your horrifyingly bad English comprehension;
THE GAME is great, BUT, it RUNS LIKE SH*T.
If you really want to talk about mixed reviews, Total War: Warhammer’s Steam rating is at 57%, compared to Just Cause 3’s 67%, so……. yeah.
Sorry this is…
www*metacritic*com/game/playstation-4/just-cause-3
A. Metacritic.
B. “I had constant crashes while playing this on PS4 but it is still a fun game.”
Try again, maybe? Or you could just give up & declare defeat, already.
for some players game is s..t ,not Great!
you can’t accept Just Cause 3 sold as Witcher 3!
I played Just Cause 3 about 61h,game did not crash even once.
You should give up about defend the thieves.
“For some players” could you be any more vague? For that matter, everything is sh*t to “some players”, since that’s stating an opinion, not a fact, & opinions are as fickle as the wind on the high seas.
Also,since you insist on talking about user reviews; if you actually took the time to go through a few of them, you’d find that side from the non-platform specific standing performance issues, most people are quite satisfied with Just Cause 3 – for the most part.
Congratulations! Hey everyone, stop whining about Just Cause 3’s performance issues, because this random guy said he didn’t get any, so, obviously, there must be nothing wrong, right?! Right! >.>
Sure, right after you stop trolling.
The reviews says,Game not great to sold more than you accept.
For performance,I personally have not seen anything accept some lag during the game and benchmark say performance is good!
“trolling”
for you everything is trolling 😉
My english is bad can’t say all that I want to say.for this you can say something and call it troll….Good night mate
TWW has been cracked for like 2 months now.
and TWW has a lot of MP features that make the game really enjoyable.
not to mention i have such a large pirated games backlog i can wait the 2 weeks it takes cpy to crack denuvo games.
“TWW has been cracked”
What nice jock.
“i have such a large pirated games backlog”
I did not see anyone proud to stealing…
“i can wait the 2 weeks it takes cpy to crack denuvo games.”
I’d like to see your face when CPY be destroyed,lol
They did not break Denuvo…
Yes, & no. Denuvo will obviously respond to their “2016” iteration being cracked with an upgraded version for the 2017 AAA lineup that chooses to use it, but even so, unless they do major code-base reforms, it’ll still only be a matter of time before CPY cracks this upcoming version, as well.
It’s easier to crack code than it is to make it secure, after all, especially when the core remains the same, which it has to, considering how much it would cost to rebuild the internal systems from scratch.
NO + sell on PC
As Marcin Iwinski said at one point:
“Consoles began for real with PS2 from Sony, and then with X360. PS wasn’t available for everyone. It was an expensive toy with expensive games. I was already distributing games at that time and I remember what was the expenditure for video games. PS was available for more affluent people and PS2 was available for the masses and started to develop this market. However, the PC still holds strong. Most of The Witcher sales are for the PC, though consoles started selling very well. “
Sure. Denuvo doesn’t hurt anyone other than actual pirates. You can still play those games offline (if you can’t, it is the game’s fault and not actually Denuvo’s). Do you support Steam? If so, why? Because it is actually worse than Denuvo, because it is required to be running in the background in order to play games that are on their platform, while Denuvo’s already built-in, meaning you only need said game.
“From phantasms that will never buy the game?”
Not entirely true since there are people, albeit a (possibly) minuscule amount, that would pirate it otherwise. Which would obviously increase the sales of said game. Does the fact that hear about Denuvo make people not want to buy it? Maybe, but there’s no evidence suggesting that is a factor.
Except for the fact that any hardware change requires a 24 hour reactivation with denuvo games, which includes unplugging usb devices, changings bios settings, new graphics card, new cpu, new ram, new hard drives, not to mention that there is a performance impact with denuvo just because it is using virtualization. we just dont know how much it is because all of the denvuo cracks just emulate the stuff that denuvo’s looking for and not removing it, once someone like CPY removes denvuo from a game at some point well be able to compare.
Also about the admittedly small amount of sales from pirates who cant pirate instantly, denuvo is rather expensive to use, so much so that it probably costs more then that small number would not make up for.
I have changed both my RAM and my motherboard and it didn’t require another verification. You can compare Conan Exiles, for example. What the devs released was an internal version. One without Denuvo. And there haven’t been any reports of that Denuvo-free version having a performance increase. I myself downloaded that version to try the game out and I was having the reported framerate for my rig.
From thieves like you.Do you live in a place with unlocked doors?Do you have a car with open doors and keys inside?DRM is necessary to protect your property
yones azarniya You’re right these developers are theives charging £50 for a game? minimum wage in uk that would be about 7-8 hours of work, so thats 7-8 hours of someones life wasted on purchasing a severly overpriced game. What in honest to gods f’ makes you people think this is alright? Why do so many humans bend over and ask to get rammed more and more?
No a good reason for steal game!
if you think developers are theives ,don’t buy games and give up about game not steal it.
This is just an excuse for what you do.
Japanese are paranoid about these kind of things. They hate stuff like piracy and reverse importing
(I pay for my niche weebshit but I have no problems with pirates, everyone should have fun).
Try getting decent English-language anime imports outside of the US.
You’re lucky if they haven’t assraped the so-called masters they’re working off of, is all I’m going to say, & f*cking Funimation has regional blocking up the *ss.
Thankfully the UK’s got one half-decent company which exports EU-wide, but even so, most of the time their masters are re-rips of the Funimation masters, which are more often than not, b-grade masters in the first place, so…… Yeah.
The Japanese do some amazing things, no argument there, but the one thing they’re nearly unrivalled in is pissing away free money for no good reason.
You have no problems because it’s not your work that is being infringed upon.
And Denuvo stops this how exactly? Games are pirated anyway and even if you stopped the pirates, what makes you think that they will get off their a*s and buy the game immediately? People pirate because **NEWS FLASH** They have NO money! yet paying consumers are getting f’ed up the a*s by 3rd party DRM that denies modding and has a big possibility of making your game useless 10 years down the road.
Oh but you know who’s games will be working perfectly?? The pirates with their offline patches!!
Where did I mention Denuvo? I suggest you read the comment I was responding to first.
And then the Japanese wonder why they’ve been in a recession for 30+ years…
Inability to adapt
yes it does,youre just a thief and an idiot
Cool, now I’m definitely not buying either version. Way to beat piracy.
hope you guys pirate the hell out of it and use cd keys or g2a..
CDkeys is legit. Stay on your XBONE.
sure $35 for a AAA is legit…lmao
“Yosuke Saito claimed that they (PlatinumGames and Square Enix) will have to do something about the piracy that plagues the PC platform.”
Oh f*ck off… Seriously it is 2017, this whole “piracy costs us tons of sales” is a joke.
It is. Especially after Witcher 3 broke sales records for CD Projekt Red, and they used no DRM at all. It even outsold the console versions…despite the fact you could just google a GoG version of it and download and install it, no effort required.
Where’s your source?
Are you new here john dont post for click bait article if you don’t trust him search yourself
I want him to provide a link to the stream or proof that the stream happened. It makes for better journalism.
Journalism? Erm… wrong site. :v
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If you like the game BUY IT !
How is it worth a buy when we don’t even know how it runs on PC?. I find that to be flawed more so than the great dislike and evidence that goes against DRM. No one really wants DRM, so I find that to be fair and just point than a flawed one.
Simple really. Lack of trust from the publishers/devs to their consumers and possibly even confidence in their own product. I mean, even if the game itself is good and worth its price of admission (and I have confidence Nier Automata will turn out great on PC, or at least I hope so), everyone is treated like a potential criminal.
Plus, why bother with Denuvo DRM in the first place. Adding it just to prevent some people from pirating it (who wouldn’t even bought it in the first place, or at least not at full price), doesn’t equate in lost sales. It just feels… wrong and condescending. If you want to combat piracy, make buying games be better and worth it than pirated ones, not worse.
DRm matters to a lot of people, myself included. There are some games out there that I’d love to play, but dislike more and more layers of DRM being attached to them.
That’s you though, see just because you don’t see it as a problem,, does not inf act overwrite us all and make it a non issue for everyone else, that kind of logic actually has holes as well as being rather shrewd and narrow minded. I for example am well aware that poverty and famine are still issues that are very much alive and true around parts of the world to this day, but just because I don’t suffer those issues, does not mean I call them a non issue for others let alone denying that said issues exist.
DRm onto itself is put in place to control how you buy and play those games, not for the sake of your own safety, but for the company that employs said measure’s safety. Most companies out there so desperately want those first few weeks to couple month sales, DRM is their most sought after method of trying to obtain those sales.
I know you were going to disagree because it “conflicts” with your line of thinking.
You are free to disagree but you are with your own set of flaws yourself, those should not be ignored though.
You see something as a non issues, again does not make it a non issue for others like it or not. You can attach “emotions” it in order to disable said non issue all you want, but it won’t stop others from seeing and having issues of their own.
You forget why DRM even exists in the first place, so I’m going to assume this is where the conversation stops, because to you, it’s not an issue, but again it’s not going to stop others like myself from citing it as an issue, nor will attempts to disable said issue come about either. You see it as a non issue regardless and likely always will, so you basically have zero stake in any DRM related argument because you suffer no such issues.
I cannot agree to disagree, I don’t function like that, you might but I do not, as further proof that you and I think and act differently. You see DRM as a non issue, I sere your logic as being flawed and close minded, you disagree and it gets us nowhere.
Again the issues to you are judged entirely differently to others like myself. To you it’s not “clear cut”, thus it’s a non issue for you and you make up for that by trying to explain why other’s issues as well as my own don’t add up.
No, the one being close minded here is you because, You are unwilling to see the issue that people like myself have against DRM. You aren’t actually showing an inkling of wanting to know why let alone come to an understanding or even acknowledgement. Again to you it’s a non issue, so why does this conversation even matter if you have zero stake in the issue at all?.
Why talk if you aren’t interested?.
You don’t have to conform, you just have to acknowledge that others have different issues that aren’t relative to yours. I’m well aware of other people’s issues, doesn’t mean I’m going to say “they aren’t an issue because I’m not having said issue myself.
Then by not replying, you have forfeited your end of the debate.
You at the end of the day are the close minded one for not acknowledging that others can have issues even if you think they aren’t issues to you.
Piracy? Give us a break and say Sony is paying for 3-6 month exclusivity.
How can it be delayed on pc because of PIRACY when it is not even out ? That does not make much sense. Anyway it s.ucks.
It’s a given though that DRM like Denuvo hurts performance versus an untainted version of the game.
Whether or not the performance gimp is significant is the question. Splitting hairs lol.
What I’m concerned about is the SSD longevity issue with Denuvo. I didn’t put any stock into it until the creators of Denuvo denied it; like Stalin supposedly said “never believe anything until it has been officially denied.”
“Are they assuming that software pirates aren’t going to use a free OS?”
Probably. They’re definitely dumb enough to.
why release this information? why not release something about the pc port? Like how it runs or system requirements ? some real information on the title I could care less about what sh**ty drm they plan to use.
This delay, is more a Denuvo get your house in order! deal than anything else as far as the publisher is concerned. CPY has increased the speed with which Denuvo games are getting cracked to the point where it’s lost it’s potency as a “sales protector” in the eyes of the Publisher. Tales of Beseria and RE7 where like 1 week tops before Denuvo was destroyed.
I would love to see one of these bigger traditional game companies take a more progressive stance and put thier game up on GoG day 1 and roll out an agressive free dlc and update campaign that gets People to want to buy in on a value add basis.
Like maybe take all the money they where going to spend on Copy Protection and put it towards free updates/ content since they wouldn’t have to give it all to Denuvo
CPY FTW!
There are sure a lot of whiny pirates on this site. The best way to fight Denuvo is to not pirate. If piracy wasn’t rampant then there will be no need for publishers to use Denuvo.
“Ok, now in the final paragraph of the article I’ll mention Denuvo. That will surely attract a lot of comments and traffic”
For such a “plagued” system in PC, it sure has been going strong as a games device for what…. 40 years now?
Maybe the fossils that are running SE should retire, and let people who didn’t grow up with nothing but candlelight, run the company.
Oh, and thanks for ruining Deus Ex too SE. You guys are brilliant.
Can’t wait to pirate this.
While at it – how about you do something about your DLC & Pricing policies that plague every platform? Maybe then people can actually afford games again.
Well, most of Denuvo protected games aren’t that great to begin with.
I’ve heard Nier is pretty terrible, so it won’t be a exception.
They need to follow CDProjekt Reds lead when it comes to DRM.
If a game is good people will buy it to support the developers (and hopefully sequels). Again, CDPR is the perfect example of that.
The Witcher 3 had no drm but sold amazingly well.
This is BS why are Japanese companies so antiquated? The biggest games in history haven’t had Denuvo and they sold BILLIONS. This is just an excuse they tell their share holders about PC gaming because Japan is ruled by the console market with an Iron fist.
I was extremely happy that Nier was coming to PC, I was even more happy to see it would support Japanese language and Interface. I was ready to buy this game day one despite that this is something I NEVER do, but if they want to treat me like a thief I won’t buy their game, simple.
I will stop supporting Square Enix because pirates don’t give a crap about Denuvo and only their paying costumers are affected.