It appears that AMD is trying to capitalize on its GCN architecture and the fact that it’s more future proof than what NVIDIA is currently offering. Not only that, but according to the Head of Global Technical Marketing at AMD, Robert Hallock, the vast majority of DX12 titles in the next two years will be partnering with the red team.
As Robert wrote on a Reddit thread:
“You will find that the vast majority of DX12 titles in 2015/2016 are partnering with AMD. Mantle taught the development world how to work with a low-level API, the consoles use AMD and low-level APIs, and now those seeds are bearing fruit.”
Is this a checkmate? Our guess is that AMD caught NVIDIA off guard. Whether this situation will be reversed once Pascal releases remains to be seen. However, one thing is certain; AMD is fighting back and that’s definitely good news for all consumers. After all, competition is a good thing for all of us.
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I´m going to stop reading this, because i´m alergic to bullshit.
nuff said!
I am stealing that line!!! lol
You need to see ‘I Robot’
Well said, this DX12 mess is making me allergic to AAA gaming.
Speak for yourself. It gave me cancer.
Yeah you should stop. Even correct spelling of allergic you messed up. Scratch your allergy to make you fell fine rather than bullshitting here.
I didn’t know you could “fall” fine rather than bullshit one self….. When you do grammer trolling, make sure you check yours so you don’t look like a jackass.
Irony within irony, huh?
The level of stupid that imbecile is polluting out into the Universe is directly responsible for Syria. And maybe cancer.
Hmmm.. I’m scratching my head when i did type. You messed up again its grammar and not “grammer”.
You really should hurry and rewrite all you just said there. There are..eh.. I don’t know how to tell you this, but, nothing but errors there.
I was scratching my head as I wrote. You can write this a few ways, but the way you did, is.. not acceptable.
First line you wrote is just.. all wrong. The second one, is just completely f’ed up.
Even giving you flexibility here.
Not really, GCN was primarily made for paralel very low level access (as all consoles always have that), nvidia on the other hand made their architecture for high abstract serial access (as PC always has that).
How convenient…
in the 2nd Q AMD was way behind nVidia, facing extinction. Now this. Come on, isn’t anyone paying attention?
Agree!
I will be again with AMD
Don’t sell out bro. It’s just a mild concussion.
I am already using and will continue
You’ll go back to nVidia, you’ll see 🙂
Personally, I never tried AMD in my entire life. I knew they were weak on their tech from the beginning.
hahaha no thanks bro
LOL, what a arrogant. Guess you are the life and the soul of the party of any lan party.
It’s an* if the next word begins with a vowel sound, learn some english. And yes, I am the soul of the party or whatever, wherever I go. Here’s some arrogance for you; google me, at least I’m someone that celebrities know.
Once upon a time, AMD Radeon was ATI Radeon & ATI had the superior product. Its why AMD acquired them in the first place. Learn some history, noob.
He is just ignorant kid. Read what he post above.
“Personally, I never tried AMD in my entire life. I knew they were weak on their tech from the beginning.”
Your ignorance is your weakness
You see how Casandao has no problem with me? Think about that the next time you open your mouth. I just stated a fact, I wasn’t ignorant.
For the above posting i didnt use my mouth. And your statment my friend was way off. Amd and nvidia have good technology’s. My wallet prefers to support AMD.
You want cheap stuff? Be my guest. You get what you pay for that’s all I’m saying.
Ignorance…..
Ignorance is a bliss, when you don’t listen to your elders, you brat.
You didn’t your head either lol
nvidia mind almost all the time, deceiving consumers.
Lol… Are you taking dilusional pills? You haven’t tried it but you said its weak?
No I’m not old man, I read the reports & benchmarks, and so should you.
AMD will go strong for DX12 this year
Nvidia will come back slowly
I have only one question. Where is Sean?????
who is that?
I’ve been designing Linux themes mate, not using Windows so much.
🙂
Ubuntu KDE FtW!
Cant you do some evolvere like KDE theme?
Pretty sure the guy already has ,there is a plasma and icon theme. I’m currently doing Plasma 5 themes. http://half-left.deviantart.com/
“Our guess is that AMD caught NVIDIA off guard.” Probably not… nVidia has been working with M$ / DX12 for a while, and has a new architecture coming. Not counting the bonkers budget they have on R&D and devs PR… I’m the first to say I’m all up for a big AMD return to good old success, and a way more balanced market, but we have to recognize nVidia had the adequate card design and drivers for what we’ve been using (DX11)… AMD had the extra new features and techs implemented on GCN but they weren’t being taken advantage of (therefore the big push w/ Mantle). Now that low-level APIs (DX12/Vulkan) and VR, DO require new stuff/techniques, nVidia will certainly add it to Pascal one way or the other… and “surprise, surprise”, they’ll actually sell loads of them because current GTX owners will inevitably feel like they need to upgrade them (even if only due nV marketing)… so actually this will be a major profit for the green team. And since there’s so many market share for them, most of their GTX plebs will continue to buy nVidia anyway. On AMD side, some current owners (me included) won’t feel the need to upgrade “asap”, which is great for them and their wallets… but not so great for AMD, that will have to mostly aim to convince some neutral peeps currently using “DX11 greens”, when the R9 4xx series arrives. Hope they succeed, market needs a lot more balance.
What’s a GTX pleb? Not up on the lingo, gringo.
GTX servant. :p
Consider them that portion of nVidia buyers that never had anything but greens, either because they’re recent PC noobs that don’t even know AMD, or because they’re so close minded that have a shrine of Jen-Hsun next to their beds. That’s why the current market needs to return to a few years back and have both brands fighting more closely, to make people really struggle to decide what to buy, and have neutral buyers more spread between the two brands. The kind of buy that makes a pleb feel the need to ask and inform himself about the specs & features, by going into forums and gather opinions around… making him actually learn something, instead of blindly following the indication of another GTX pleb friend that simply says he needs to “buy that one”. Experience and knowledge over time is what makes a noob turn into an enthusiast.
Yeah, still not making any sense, but thanks anyways.
I smell bullcrap, why would game developers want to release games that run better on amd hardware that only have <20% market share and potentially pissing of the huge majority of potential customers?
Nvidia have 0% of CPU Desktop market share. That CPUS they manufacture for their nvidia shield devices doesnt count. You talk like if those games would not work on Nvidia Gpus, their partnership doesnt go beyong a stupid logo when you start the game and implementing some features for their cards. Any Nvidia gameworks game so far works with AMD gpus with some features left.
Which are 100% different than pc hardware, last time I checked, sony dominate console and they are using their own exclusive API which have little affiliation with microsoft or directx, so dx12 mean nothing in the console market too and does not make playstation optimized games are guaranteed to be ported smoothly to pc based amd hardware
Sony’s APi is very similar to DX12 and Vulkan.
Games developers will optimize for GCN by default and now whit DX12 PC will be able to benefit from all those optimizations.
LoL, the vast majority of gamers have GCN GPUs.
Desktop GCNs are probably around 34-38% of the marker and on console AMD has 100% market share.
They won’t necessarily run better on AMD cards, their DX11 games didn’t, NVIDIA destroyed them in games like Bioshock Infinite.
Bioshock Infinite was based on UE3 which is just more nvidia friendly and ran anyway at high fps even on 4k.
Stop cherry picking your reasons, that was just one game, it’s not about the engine.
Well please contradict me if I’m wrong.
Shots fired!!!!! Anyways, cant wait for all this games in my AMD card.
I have a pair of games with AMD partnership on my steam library and they worked like sh ! t with my last AMD GPU.
Every AMD title I can think of that I have run on my AMD system has been smooth as butter.
Your fanboyism wont be tolerated.
Examples?
I hope this is true .. so the gameworks will ends.. we will back to Raw Power battle instead of supports battle.
Everyone who thinks raw power is better is an idiot.
By the rate global pollution is increasing, AMD hardware will be outlawed in the future.
yes it is idiot… but no more monopoly … and avoid exclusive things … like all capitalist said “its not about hardwork its about dominating”.
Why would you need raw power when you have nothing to take advantage of it? We need Gameworks, what we need even more is AMD countering it, pushing Nvidia futher, which pushes AMD further. AMD and Nvidia is the only once that will come up with new graphical features for PC, nobody else. You can just forget looking towards developers, they are so busy with their awesome console money machines that can’t take advantage of sh*t, so good luck with them.
This is on AMD and Nvidia, unfortunately, AMD is too busy playing the victim instead of playing the competitor. So it’s up to Nvidia, alone, which we all know won’t end good.But sure, go for that raw power, which won’t be used by sh*t. It’ll be great, one 1 in 200 games might come up with somehting
Seems like an article from WCCFtech…
I hate that website. I feel so old when I used to read their ‘articles’. Oh and the comments, lot of bile being thrown about.
4 out of 5 people call this article bulls%$t.
I think the bulls%$t. is you.
4 out of 5 people consider personal attacks a good way to defend their video card allegiance.
That is a better and clearer post than the above. Nvidia grimlins are crawling thus “4 out of 5 people consider personal attacks a good way to defend their video card allegiance.”
Hey at least you can warm your house in winter, just fire up furmark baby and uncheck vsync!
Yes i did it “scratchy” prior to your advise. It actually save me $30/month of money running my heater in my room.
AMD did not catch NVIDIA off guard, its just Nvidia being Nvidia as always. Nvidia design their cards in such a way that they will last you only 1-1.5 years before you are kind off forced to upgrade to the latest series of cards, they exploit the feeling of inferiority in their users, similar to what Apple has been doing to its iPhone customers since its debut. Kepler users should know this fact very well by now and next year Maxwell users will come to this realization as well when DX12 games start coming out and Pascal will conveniently arrive just in time to save the day.
Yup and this is why nvidia is all green with money and AMD is all red with hardly any money.Nvidia business model is near perfect.
?? Nvidia card can last much longer. When i got 560 ti in 2011 it took 3 years until 2014 for the first game Dead Rsiing 3 to be released that wasnt playble even on low settings. Now to play evrything maxed you will need to upgrade evry 1,5 years but i always keep my cards 3+ years each.
I think you missed FTL´s point.
FTL’s point = AMD lover!
AMD have cheaper priced video card’s and you don’t need to upgrade every 1,5 year to a new card.I had Nvidia since fx5700(2004) 128 DDR 128 bit till 280GTX(2011)( then i switched to AMD HD 7870 OC(2013) and i still have it and i can play most of games with good graphics.
years are for time I bought them.and yes in 2013 i played Tomb Raider 2010 at MAX settings including tress Fx.i know is a 2012 card but NOW is 2015 and i still can push some graphics to run games at HIGH settings.well in 1080p not 4K.don’t have money for 4K screen.
Upgrade every 1,5 year?
Goddman who is that patient…im cursing NVIDIA of not shipping yet no GTX 1070…
kid: “I want a new my card” buahhh
GTX 670 dayONE
GTX 770 dayONE
GTX 970 dayONE
GTX 1070 dayONE
Well i had 2 560 ti’s which lasted me till…..now when one of em burned out. Instead i got a 980ti and ill upgrade again in 4-5 years.
exactly but lucky for you,you have money for a 980ti I HAVE TO borrow money from bank for a card like that. even for a amd 390x still need money. only 50 $ i have avaiable for spending per month on personal stuff, so yeah not everybody afford LAST SH*T ON MARKET. I know if i have like 980ti on my sistem for 4 or 5 years NO PRB. but…. reality is different here in my country.
Unlike Kepler, Maxwell has plenty of Compute power to keep it going for years to come.
Lol i still remember when Amd claimed they had over 20 Mantle games coming out yeah how was GTA5 using mantle again?
AMD = booooom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=113&v=u5YJsMaT_AE
Another bullshit by AMD again!
How can this bullshit, this is their own partners for game development.
If I am correct, AMD used to say the same thing with Mantle and see what happen? And now this, that’s why I call this a bullshit.
Mantle wasn’t a standard, DX12 will be.
You can just replace Mantle whit DX12, that is what their partners did, it’s basically the same thing.
AMD has not need for Mantle now.
Mantle did what it did very well, shame it was just used as a pawn to make DIrectX better.
This means games will run properly on all cards, unlike the crippling Nvidia partnership causes.
No, NVIDIA’s bad selecting of poorly optimized games in the first place.
You were saying?
techspot . com/articles-info/546/bench/Showdown_02.png
I actually mean the Gameworks titles, they run worse than rubbish on AMD 99% of the time.
AMD = No Additional effects at all. So of course its “well” optimized.
AMD = 2016 FAIL
Some people are so ignorant and its a pity. So Mr Metro what about the bellow
Alien Isolation(a very dx11 game): Real-Time Radiosity(Direct Compute), HDAO trough Direct Compute, BC7 Texture compresion,
Contact Hardening Shadows (Direct Compute), GPU Accelerated Particles (Direct Compute) Silouette enchancing Tesselation.
Dragon age, Battlefield 3 and 4 and also the new Star Wars game, Star Citizen, Tomb Raider, Hitman…… etc.
Just to let you know. AMD has more games than NVIDIA.
so you list ~4 games utilizing AMD effects
mantle doesn’t count as effect. actually the frostbite games are using customized HBAO (nvidia + dice).
then you say “AMD has more games than NVIDIA”.
so mr. connos, lets count them shall we?
Geforce site lists 402 games. AMD site lists 34 games.
surely not all of these are necessarily utilizing amd/nvidia effects,
but you get the big picture…
yeah, 402 games are using gameworks effects, right…
actually I said they aren’t necessarily utilizing nvidia effects, which is also true for the amd sponsored games. I primarily mentioned numbers against the “AMD has more games than NVIDIA” claim, while also hinting at the probability of it reflecting the quantities of added effects.
anyway games have been visually enhanced by (or in cooperation with) nvidia long before “gameworks” showed up, which is mostly a name referring to all of this kind of work.
Still the claim “4 vs 402” is just a complete bullshit and bit of a proof you should get back at school to learn a math.
AMD collaborate with 2 big publishing houses (EA and Square Enix) and other smalled developers. HINT: 4is definitely not the right number^^.
Radeon SDK has been here since ATI 8000 series i think. With TrueForm (first HW accelerated tessellation) and many other techniques that havent been always HW based.
The only difference between nvidia and AMD in this enhacements was in an approach. AMD almost always used standartized techniques with open access to source code (only TrueForm and MANTLE were actual HW dependant!). Nvidia does the right oposite.
oh dear, you are the only one who should get back at school, starting with reading comprehension !
I was simply making fun of the fact ‘connos’ only hit 4 out of 8 in his own list. I then clearly compared 402 vs 34 as listed in the official sites, regardless of added effects.
btw, you can also add TrueAudio to that HW dependent vaporware list of yours. Havok & Bullet acceleration could almost fit there as well haha. listen kid, I’ve been hardcore in the gaming ‘scene’ way before the GPU was invented. I’ve seen it all, I know my sh*t too well to be impressed by AMD innovations or open source BS.
oh dear, you are the only one who should get back at school, starting with reading comprehension !
I was simply making fun of the fact ‘connos’ only hit 4 out of 8 in his own list. I then clearly compared 402 vs 34 as listed in the official sites, regardless of added effects.
btw, you can also add TrueAudio to that HW dependent vaporware list of yours. Havok & Bullet acceleration could almost fit there as well haha.
if by weak you mean supporting developers instead of replacing shader path which nvidia does for almost every game, then AMD is very weak indeed in that regard.
Ok, you simply made fun by telling bullshit, nothing new really.
Number 402 is highly exaggerated. The only way how we could get to this number would be to count every single game nvidia made custom shader path profile inside their drivers, which cannot be in any way considered the help to developers. Or we would have to simply count every game using CPU PhysX, which almost every game with UE have, and again it would have anothing to do with direct support to developers.
Still its comparing apples to pears.
No, I made fun of someone else’s bullshit, but whatever.
how about surfing to geforce website’s games browser, multiply 34 pages by 12 games per page, minus 5… hey what do you know they just added 1, totaling at 403.
if I wanted to specifically count games using CPU PhysX, I’d visit PhysXInfo. that would be 594 games right there.
anyway I don’t wish to hang around this particular comment section forever. I’m mostly here for the news…
btw thanks mantle you can have more additional effects in the game as it highly increase number of draw calls, simillar with forward+ etc.
Quality > Quantitity
PS: Alien, Hitman & Star Citizen > Dragon age, Battlefield 3 and 4 .
Barf, please don’t mention Dragon Age in polite conversation. How can the studio that made Kotor and Mass Effect make such an uninspired game?
I imagining exactly that…where and when DICE lost it?
AMD Radeon SDK contains effects include:
TressFX
MLAA
Tiled Lighting (Defered)
Separable Filters
HDAO
DOF Filter
Silhouette Tessellation
SSAA
GPU Particles
Forward+
and list could go on…
You mean the titles that runs equally sh*t on both hardware manufactures gpu’s? Yea.. don’t think that’s really upto Nvidia, you can blame them for picking terrible partners, nothing else really.
Maybe we should do some more testing on games, before the drivers for AMD is out? so we can have some really bad numbers and have some clickbait articles to write? Yea, that’s always a good idea Forbes!
Same story from AMD, “OMG MANTLE IS GONNA CHANGE EVERYTHING!”, directX 12 replaced it before it was relevant. “OMG HBM IS THE FUTUREEEE!” Benchmarks are not impressive at all… Just show me tangible results AMD.
(this comes from an AMD card owner)
DX11 vs DX12 benchmarks are impressive for AMD GPUs. They removed the gap with Nvidia cards, sometime even passing them. I think there were a bunch in Ars Technica.
Mantle did change everything. Got M$FT off their a$$es to make a new DirectX and it gave Khronos Group Vulkan.
Mantle did change everything. Both Khronos Group & Microsoft ditched their earlier API structure with Mantle’s core.
BTW HBM will take time for making any impact in market, Just like it took with GDDR5.
Guess Who introduced GDDR5 in Discrete GPU market.
you know what… it means those who shape the future is the market leader and that’s what AMD is trying to say but maybe at a very wrong time………… so ! At the end of the day again…. the last man standing be the winner… so ! BARKING early without solid ground as yet is not always a good idea, AMD will never take up this lesson ! sorry AMD
Which titles?
Pascal isn’t going to change the scenario. All we know that the design has been finalised way back in February. At this point, there’s a little scope for making any kind of changes in the architecture .
But I can be wrong in a massive way, But that’s my take on this whole scenario.
AMD always claimed they are superior in some ways in the very beginning of stage and at the end of the day…. found themselves ditch in deep hole when things work the other way round… agreed with those saying this article a bullCrap… this crap rings in my ear when AMD launched Mantle at some time during PS4 launched at a very similar time and they claimed almost ALL (the then so-called next-gen) games would be developed base on “console crap” because of AMD-based hardware and that nearly 80% of those games would cripple Nvidia hardware… and SNAP! saw who was the one suffering during that past 1 year AMD was silent for nearly a decade (feels like) until 970 fiasco’s “4GB means 4GB” crap… the only noise I heard during that 1 miserable year was AMD blaming gameworks program miserably blah blah blah…. let’s wait and see how these seeds get rotten then… sorry AMD…
nVidia will kick their a*s with Pascal in all liklyhood, but its possible that nVidia has made some big mistakes with it too.
That being said, we NEED competition and its good to see AMD kick nVidia’s a*s a little bit, it will keep them honest. nVidia has become greedy lately.
Disclaimer: I just bought a 980 Ti.
Cool.. Will wait for the games. This will be a big advantage for AMD.
I believe Pascal will sell well but not have all the features that is what Volta is for. It’s going to be an interesting two years for both sides.
It will be only 3 next year which are AMD sponsored for DX!2.
This year AMD has no DX12 game that is why their marketing guy is an idiot.
Nvidia DX12 2015 games are Fable legend and Ark Survival which is confirmed to release in 2015.
Looks like Fatality to me.
No one cares as NVIDIA = 84% of GPU market!
PS: Intel 12%
I hope so, because I root for AMD because I like Nvidia… just not as a monopoly. I don’t know if we’ll ever go back to the days where we’ll have 3 or more competitors, because even S3’s not really making GPU’s anymore (at least not for gaming) but I’d like to see AMD erode some of Nvidia near-monopoly on dGPU’s.
I find this topic very tiring.
Errr. what? Wow you should be a teacher in grade school. Congrats you can go to sleep now.
ohhhh thansk!
time of amd to shine. and hopefully nvidia gmaeworks goes away. some people will always say intel and nvidia for life. if you want to pay hundreds more for a few fps you go right ahead. i have always used amd. i got a fx 6350 right now. fac is intel i5 and i7 and skylake is still JUST a quad core cpu’s. their 6 and 8 core are way to expensive. $600-$1000
dx12 supports multicores better. so who has more 6 and a core cpu’s out amd and they are way cheaper. thats why amd is seeing the biggest boost in performance amd. gamers have a cheaper and just as good option now. $330 for a in quad core when an amd 8 core is around $200. as i said its time for amd to shine.