Epic Games and Deep Silver announced today their partnership to launch digitally on PC the highly anticipated Metro Exodus via the Epic Games store. According to the the game’s official Steam store page, this is an exclusive deal, meaning that the game will not be available on Steam at all (those who have pre-ordered the game on Steam will still get it).
Tim Sweeney, founder and CEO of Epic, said:
“Metro Exodus is amazing and is rightly one of the most anticipated PC titles of 2019. We are partnering with Deep Silver to launch Metro Exodus, with Epic’s marketing support, and its commitment to offering a break-even distribution. 88% revenue, allowing game creators to reinvest more in creating great products and improving the economics of gaming stores.”
Dr. Klemens Kundratitz, CEO of Deep Silver, added:
“We are excited to partner with Epic to bring the digital version of Metro Exodus to market. The generous terms and conditions of Epic will allow publishers to invest more in creating content or benefiting players. By teaming up with Epic, we will be able to invest more in Metro’s future and in our ongoing partnership with the developer of the series, 4A Games, for the benefit of fans of the game. “
As the game’s official Steam store page reads:
“Later today, sales of Metro Exodus will be discontinued on Steam due to a publisher decision to make the game exclusive to another PC store.
The developer and publisher have assured us that all prior sales of the game on Steam will be fulfilled on Steam, and Steam owners will be able to access the game and any future updates or DLC through Steam.
We think the decision to remove the game is unfair to Steam customers, especially after a long pre-sale period. We apologize to Steam customers that were expecting it to be available for sale through the February 15th release date, but we were only recently informed of the decision and given limited time to let everyone know.”
As always, this is a time-limited exclusive and according to Deep Silver, Metro Exodus will come to Steam on February 14th, 2020.
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everything that comes out these days…..epic games exclusive. Say why dont you put it on gog instead? Or any other digital distribution site, why exclusive on epic? Its clear that epic is paying devs to put their games on epic store.
They’re using Denuvo, which goes against GOG’s DRM free policy. So we have what probably will be a great game marred by DRM and exclusive to a pain in the a*s store. Gotta love “AAA” publishers.
thats exactly the point i was making, denuvo so no gog.
The way Epic is poaching publishers without offering anything to the end consumer makes me very suspicious.
Ofcourse Epic is paying devs. 9 years old’s made Epic rich.
9 yos and the chinese. Tencent owns 40% of Epic
It’s right in the article. Companies keep 88% of revenue vs 70% on Steam. If your game makes $100M, that’s $18M extra profit.
F-ING WOW this came out of nowhere but you know what i have a solution to this problem https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/78f2586fa6e5eb9e229aae7b109ee2ed4888e2b54825127691ea5bce5a5fa4e5.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/90175316cba86209e4b8121e2e6d22a2596b416064b6be767632a8378d3b9a49.jpg
The developers deserve the money. Their games are amazing. It’s just the publishers that keep screwing them over.
HA HA if they wanted my money then they know were to find me it’s called steam. NO STEAM NO F_ING BUY i haven’t pirated a game in about 10 or so years and let me say that this will be the first in a long time https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/90175316cba86209e4b8121e2e6d22a2596b416064b6be767632a8378d3b9a49.jpg
“amazing’ metro 2033 was a mess, last light fixed performance and awful combat and had its atmospheric moments but not amazing this is the first metro game that looks decent.
not sure if you played original metro 2033. it was and still is the most atmospheric and immersive games ever. everything from weapon feel to weapon sounds, hell even reloading sounds, the physics, the destruction, bullet wounds and and small details like blood coming out of wounds was/is perfection in the original metro 2033. redux versions are dog shet, especially metro 2033 redux.
last light isn’t bad either. graphically, it’s improved but the original 2033 is far better.
my own reshade makes this game look photorealistic at times. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/12b33725f3d00fb67553e25f58b9b85f0c418131f896ede9d7568b1637af0b31.png
To each their own. I loved 2033 in its original form and liked 2033 Redux even more.
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you should share some of that salt with EPIC and 4A games https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5e7460b145109d0070f589d2d22dfb4d3714237143551f6c58699f49611db9ad.png
Steam nuub, just get several platforms, it’s not that hard lol. Cry me a f*cking river!
:sigh:
Publisher shenanigans with Last Light.
Publisher shenanigans with Exodus.
4A Games cannot catch a break.
I get that publishers want to keep a bigger cut, but how does this help customers at all? Taking away choice from consumers is never a good thing.
lol
Steam connect when? GOG lets you add Steam games you own into your GOG library
Not going to buy if game is not on Steam or GoG.
Specially I don’t buy games from Kid Stores.
This is how they cover the Denuvo costs lol.
LOL, I posted something very similar.
We think similarly then!
They actively want this game to fail don’t they.
For that they’d have signed an exclusivity deal with Windows 10 Store.
HAha, Damn straight.
welcome to flop
Definitely not a fan of this move, but it’s worth noting they lowered the price on Epic Store. Not sure if this is a pre-order price only though.
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In EU still the same.
That’s probably worse TBH. This deal is already extremely divisive, and it only benefiting some customers is going to piss off the community even more.
I’ll never pay $60 for a damn digital release.
that’s the same pricing Steam has for me, just in CDN dollars so $66.49 (which is $50USD)
Good thing it’s also coming out on CPY and CODEX.
This is just sad. Lord Gaben save us !!!
WTF ?!??? They seems to makes all efforts possible to fail with this game !!!! I can’t believe it!!!
HAHAHAHA. This keeps getting better and better. Deep Silver couldn’t shoot itself in the foot more if they were trying to. What a shitshow of a launch.
They sure are running out of feet to shoot at.
Epic has too much Fortnite money it seems.
Don’t forget the anti-consumer price increase in all regions outside the US some months ago.
didn’t know this, too many red flags for 4a at this point.
i told you guys steam is in big trouble wait till Rockstar drops the bomb for Red dead redemption! Its about damn time someone stood up to the greedy bully thats takes 30% of developers money.Steam days are numbered!
Valve should return to invest in games (not the crappy f2p) so they store can still be number 1. They have the means and the money
I can’t argue the fact that Valve has gotten far too cocky, and lax in any sense of quality. However, “exclusivity”, is most certainly not the answer.
What do you think will happen if Epic’s store ever reaches Valve’s success? The cycle will simply start anew. Then people will have their libraries splintered over multiple stores, launchers, and logins, etc. Even more so than they do already. This is exactly what people do “not” want.
Well, if you gonna put it on a shtstore might as well sell it yourself on your site, after all this is what rockstar did with gta v, you dont have to buy it from steam, but guess where the majority of sales are not on retail pc or buying it form their site, its on steam.
Greedy @ 30%. You’re ignorant. Can’t wait until you find out that sites like dmm and getchu have a cut as high as 60%.
My only real complaint against Steam is that once I buy a game there, it should be bought, not rented and accessible only as Steam allows.
Time for steam to return in the same coin, maybe they should release an exclusive sequel about some long dormant franchise…
Artifact 2 :))
lel didn’t this game bombed?
the last reason for me to buy this one, the publishers just took that away from me, hello crack my old friend.
Thanks Epic, for bringing the console exclusive cancer to our platform.
if the epic store doesnt consider other payment methods then creditcard, i have no other way to pirate the games, im sorry but you want it so….
I wouldnt care if they also sold on Epic store, but exclusive to Epic? Nope I hate this kind of exclusivity, I stopped buying EA games because of Origin and I am not buying this game. Good luck selling it.
Looking for excuses to steal
Only EA’s published titles are exclusive to Origin.
Retards
Epic and Steam stores have the same refund policy, 2 hours and 2 weeks
Not sure the actual devs would have had any say in the matter.
yeah but each game got consolized more and more. even redux versions shat on the original atmosphere and features.
100% in agreement there.
So i wait to 2020 ):
no need, wait a couple of months at max for a crack.
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All good points.
oh god i will save this one
save your hdd space. you dont understand whats in that picture.
why would i save it if i didnt understand it ?
you said you would download that and i said dont download it to save hdd space 😛
I don’t care about any of those, only possibly cloud saves but barely.
I never gave much thought to the whole thing but seeing now this comparison list, I suddenly feel like the whole Steam vs Epic debacle is like asking gamers:
Would you drink a full glass of 3 days overdue milk, or a spoon of fresh dog vomit…
I know most will go with the overdue milk…and the brave souls who took the spoon will somehow feel entitled to flex their bravery to the other party…
Only things I care about on that list are Account Sharing and User Reviews.
Wait it doesn`t have Cloud Saves?!?!
For metro exodus you dont need anything from that list so you failed 😉 Announce me when you wake up and you read what you posted.
I don’t need anything from that list ? Who are you to know what i need ? Maybe YOU dont need anything from that list. I use pretty much everything on that list, with the exception of broadcasting and streaming, so please speak for yourself.
Because you are a man with who you can talk in compraration with Scourge and im a man of word : if you use while you play Metro Exodus everything from that list except broadcasting and streaming ill buy you a copy of metro exodus and one to give to Scourge so he can learn to install steam client.
What ? Who is Scourge ?
just a influencer who copied your picture to get upvotes
Oh, i see. Now honestly, outside of a few features that may change from game to game and those who i mentioned before. I do use all the features Steam provide, the convinience of having your saves back-up automatically when you close your games, checking user reviews before buying a game specially indie titles that usually fly under the radar, a quick Shift-Tab while in game and you open Guides and the game forums so you can clear any doubts, mod-distribution if supported by the game without the need of any 3rd party software, Etc etc. These things for me make the diference, specially since the game cost a lot more on the Epic Store for me due to the lack of regional pricing.
i understand why you are saying but if you start a game from day 1/ on release day , forum will not be of much help because everyone will play the game and wont check the forum, wont find guides in advance except is a mmorpg. Reviews are overrated, if you are a gamer you just know if a game is good or not, for those games you know they are good reviews are 90 % good, for those you are uncertain they are 50-50 % and for those you know they are not good they are 90 % bad reviews. Its not science, you just waste time reading reviews for gta 5, witcher 3 and so on. Lack of regional prices is as well on steam and not because of the publisher and just because of the steam, steam takes the big cut and tells the publisher to cancel the regional price to balance from what they lose, but with regional price steam gets more money so …
Forums are helpful on day one, if a game is buged for you the forums can help you see if the problem is only for you or widespread. MHW was a perfectly example people used the forums to tell others that the game was bugged, not just the connection issues that you could indentefy in the first few hours but particles bugs that could only be encoutered in the end game and how to fix it before official patch came.
You using examples of reviews for AAA titles, i’m use reviews for indie titles, titles that will not likely get much support from the Devs. Just to clarify i’m not using the reviews to see if the game is good or not, if i’m already looking trough reviews i’m already interested, i’m just being sure there are no techinical problems with the game something that i might miss before the 2 hour mark for refunds (witch already happend with me).
Don’t know where you live but regional pricing for me works incredebly well for most titles, and i don’t know where you heard of this but the lack of regional pricing is due to the publisher.
Valve acutally suggest regional pricing Publishers that refuse it, i’m mean sure i get why they are refusing it’s less money for them but you can be sure that i will not pay the full price of AAA game in USD. A 60USD game here equals to 1/4 of my monthly wage there is no way i will pay that much on a game. Also steam takes 30% max, 25% or 20% depending of how much your games sells, and just to clarify again 30% is the industry standard across the board.
Cancelling my preorder right now! This is a huge disgrace to the community
What are you canceling your pre-order for? You already have it on Steam, lol.
The principle of the thing. Why encourage other publishers to follow suit when you can at least demonstrate your stance by not giving them your money.
That’s what we need. Console timed exclusives on the PC platform.
oh no you have to install a 100mb installer and create a username and password!!!
oh the HUMANITY XD
The only idiots here is the one complaining about that, so what if its only on epic game store?!
Is it that hard to use another launcher?
How can this be an exclusive if its also on pc?!?
Why nobody cried when starcraft 1 and 2,diablo 3 and overwatch being only on blizzard launcher?
There is no exclusivity here just another launcher big effing deal.
This site became the haven of crybabies and frustrated morons.
You need to have a read up about the Epic store. Then get back to me. Dolt.
Ive read enough about it.
And yet i give them the benefit of the doubt.
Why?
Because i remember how people hated steam when it first launched.
This store is already better than uplay and the horrid microsoft windows store.
The people that preordered it on steam did not lose the game they will have it anyway, and besides who the hell preorder a digital game?!?
And im the one that is not thinking.
Done with the negativity around here.
Give me one valid reason how it hurts pc gaming in general.
Competition is always a good thing.
and here i was expecting a smart argument.
well you were the one that started with insults why bother with people like you.
people like you are useless.
Still not installing Epic’s trashware.
Bloat/Spyware
anything that’s on steam i buy, anything that’s on gog, i buy. rest will be 100 percent pirated.
Ouch. Deep Silver trying to kill themselves or what? This game isn’t exactly a smash hit that’s going to push Epic’s store.
I’ll have no problem ignoring it until it inevitably comes to Steam, and I’m sure I’m not alone.
Wth were you thinking DS?
Who’s idea was this?
havent seen you posting for years
I remember you lol
I don’t need Metro Exodus. Thanks for sparing me any semblance of temptation, Deep Silver.
88% revenue to a much, much more limited consumer base. Wicked smaht.
This is why happens when steam can’t justify a 30% revenue split with it’s developers.
If steam wants to keep the best devs, they need to stop leeching off of their work. There is literally nothing about steam that makes it so good that it’s worth a 30% cut of dev profits
compared to the console competition? Brick and mortar stores charge a cut, and lets not forget the console licensing fee just to have the privilege to be able to release a game on their platform, yeah Steam looks pretty good.
I don’t really know why you brought up consoles. I was talking specifically amongst PC stores
The new policy was created to combat competition, it was 30% for nearly all of Steam’s history.
Besides, 24% is still DOUBLE the Epic store cut of 12%. It’s not hard to see why devs don’t wanna use steam.
Tencent (China) strikes again.
how much is good enough?
The Epic client is garbage. Time to start pirating again.
well this sucks… but Steam only has themselves to blame for this. Either up there game up so the %30 is worth it to the dev/pub or lower the cost.
I know everyones mad, but competition is healthy for business, steam has been ruling for too long they need a kick in there butts to wake up and grow and change to get even better than they are now.
Epic store is garbage, can’t support any store that seeks to restrict consumer choice.
LOL! are they stupid? do they really think this would result in more digital sales? this is going to be a disaster for 4A Games.
Wanted to grab the game when it would come out on mid february. Upon reading this i got it asap on steam. Let’s hope it’s not a uber fail.
Just think of the profits they would have made and the money they would have saved had they not implemented a DRM thats very controversial and hated. I know this was on my list to buy, but not now and not since the announcement of the DRM. Not to thrilled about the movement from Steam either.
You can read all Kotaku and Polygon comments on this matter, what a lot of mainstream corporate kids with lot of money. They only mumble about “dev cuts, devs revenue”, “more revenue to devs”, yeah, more money to triple AAA scam devs that leaves their games not optimized with ton of bugs.
But when you ask what makes Epic more friendly to customers over Steam, they just stay silence, except for some kid screaming “Gabe is not getting my money”.
Epic Store is not customer friendly, is Corporate friendly, that refund system is like, “yeah fill this form by triplicate and we will analyze your case”…
I would like that some decent Youtuber or any on the media related to the PC gaming industry could talk us about what makes a store customer friendly, but Tencent/Fortnite money is everywhere.
Thief
“meaning that the game will not be available on Steam at all (those who have pre-ordered the game on Steam will still get it).”
“As always, this is a time-limited exclusive and according to Deep Silver, Metro Exodus will come to Steam on February 14th, 2020.”
WHAT?
Well that just prompted my pre-order on Steam. FU to the the epic store!
I’ll wait for a FitGirls-Repack instead of donating my hard earned money to the garbage Epic Games store.
“CEO of Deep Silver, added: “We are excited to…”
…be increasing profit margins on this product so to please our parent company THQ Nordic, formerly Koch Media. I’m also playing the PR game of spinning news of this development in the hope and expectation that,
– outwardly anti-capitalist soyboys in the shill media will give us an easy ride
– blindly loyal Metro fanboys will feel empowered to defend us
– dimwitted internet edgelords who trashtalk Steam will be mobilised in our defence
>anti-capitalist
You mean Chinese Communists.
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Will it still have Denuvo?
Thank god you’re a debating master.
is it listed on gog?
they need it now, look at all the entitled babies saying they are going to pirate this now, like its their birthright to play this game.
Considering this is another client and Epic is directly paying them I was hoping that there was a chance that that wouldn’t be the case
They can f*k off
I’m all for the freedom of choosing which store to be buy your games from but Epic’s poaching exclusives seems to be in contradiction to that idea. I’ll be branded as a Steam shill for not supporting “healthy competition” but why my only choice is Epic and I have to wait a whole year to be actually given a choice?
I’m suspicious with the 88% revenue redistribution Epic is offering. Can other stores offer a much lower number to counter this? This reminded me of the go to tactic that China uses to muscle in into new markets by lowering the prices of their products far too low for competitors to follow suit.
“This reminded me of the go to tactic that China uses to muscle in into new markets by lowering the prices of their products far too low for competitors to follow suit.” _ Oh man you cracked me up. This is what capitalism, free market and unrestricted competition stand for, don’t they? Something the so called civilised countries are trying to enforce to the whole world on the wings of their stretegic bombers.
Absolutely disgusting. I already pre-ordered so I will be playing on Steam but this BS by Epic Games will not work and is going to kill every game that releases exclusively on it. I suggest everyone interested to buy it right now on Steam as there is still time till today.
no dont buy it on steam becuase they are trying to use mind tricks on us the consumers by saying if you want the game now buy it on steam before it’s exclusive to the epic store. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a0f68ac54d65543a923aea0ae2a4b91f9ba6f2198c1bf9a2348a2fd9a902e030.png
I recommend you to cancel the pre-order.
Its the only thing they are reading. Numbers of pre orders. Talk with your wallet. Just my 2 cents
God, at least choose GoG. This is just blatant sellout.
More of this please, not that i buy games, but at least it will make Gabe get his fat**s to maybe invest in some sweet games to make his platform still be relevant. Competition is always good for creativity.
How much f*ing money are they shoving down their throats for these exclusive deals, it’s getting a bit re**rded.
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Yep, the only ‘exodus’ with Metro Exodus will be the exodus of people to torrent sites so to pirate the game as a one-fingered salute to the publisher.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Another reason to ignore this turd. Farewell 4A games and deep silver.
am i the only one that this does not bother?
i have on my pc steam,origin,uplay,gog and this.
besides steam need a worthwhile competition maybe this will push valve into finally making back games(half life 3 exclusive to steam :P)
nope,but one can hope
This is heresy… no matter what, but i remember steam was the savior of pc gamers AND publishers.
If you remove the game from the store is not competition…. its playing dirty.
My preorder is cancelled. Not supporting this
Come on guys, buy it so Xi Jinping can build new and bigger missiles so they can bully the rest of the world with ease.
China bullying the rest of the world sounds laughable when US military budget is bigger than all of the runner-ups combined. But you go on living in a fairy land.
2017 data
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“President Donald J. Trump signed a $1.3 trillion spending bill on March 23, 2018 that includes a $160 billion boost in defense spending over two years, reversing years of decline and unpredictable funding.”
https://dod.defense.gov/News/SpecialReports/Budget2019.aspx
So they have bigger budget, ok, then what ? guess your country didn’t bullied by the likes of china and russia huh ? fairy land ? they made most of fishermen here lose their jobs (in the past few months) because they came in persian gulf and and some in iranian waters with force and govs permission and start fishing, fairy land ? shut the f**k up when you don’t know s**t.
Care to provide any proof of China making fishermen in whatever country you’re from lose their jobs instead of throwing profanities left and right?
My point was that US foreign policy has left way more homes devastated and kids fatherless than China did (just look at the amount of wars they’v started in the 20th century alone and all the state coups funded, one like that is jsut starting in Venezuela at the moment). Though China is not blameless either since they’re not spreading communism to the world but focusing on themselves solely.
Also I wonder what wrong Russia has done to you.
Care to provide any proof of China making fishermen in whatever country you’re from lose their jobs instead of throwing profanities left and right?
My point was that US foreign policy has left way more homes devastated and kids fatherless than China did (just look at the amount of wars they’v started in the 20th century alone and all the state coups funded, one like that is jsut starting in Venezuela at the moment). Though China is not blameless either since they’re not spreading communism to the world but focusing on themselves solely.
Also I wonder what wrong Russia has done to you.
Don’t be deranged; fighting tyrannies does not make one a tyrant.
Communism is evil.
I guess communism is evil just because you say so. Congrats. P.S. The notion of US fighting tyrannies is hilarious. Tell it to Native Americans, tell that to Koreans, tell that to Japanese, tell that to Cubans and millions other peoples around the world. For you it’s gotta be nice to reap the rewards of your government subjugating, raping and stealing from other countries.
The problem with your ideology is just that so much of it isn’t actually true.
Communism is evil because — contrary to the promises its leaders make — it enslaves, starves, and tyrannizes the people it’s supposed to help.
And the United States has (generally) fought against tyranny. George III, the Confederacy, the National Socialists, Communists, jihad.
There were legitimate reasons to fight certain American Indian nations on certain occasions, but the Indian Removal Act, the Trail of Tears, Manifest Destiny, etc. are not American crimes; they’re Democrat atrocities, just like slavery, the Civil War, Segregation, Japanese-American Internment, and Abortion.
Japan was as depraved as the Nazis. Tens of thousands of Americans fought, bled, and died in defense of the people of Korea and Vietnam. You’re arguing for butchers like Mao, Pol Pot, and the Kim family.
Blanket statements unsupported by documented proof are just that statements.
Man you are literally the by-product of the US brainwashing. According to you killing and basically eradicating Indians was justified, slavery and segregation is not an American crime (that’s effing rich), dropping two atomic bombs and turning two hundred thousand people to radioactive dust and God knows how many more to anguish, suffering and consecutive death was also justified.
Congratulations, Hitler and Mussolini would have been proud.
Nice, throwing mass murderer, Pol Pot in with people who actually fought for liberation of their peoples.
blanket statements […] eradicating Indians was justified […] two atomic bombs […] fought for liberation
An insubstantial dismissal, outright libel, utter ignorance of World War II, and defending the worst mass murderers of the last century — even worse than Hitler — as “liberators.”
You’re eviscerated. Flayed. Staked to the earth. Worm’s meat. Discredited forever.
When’s your menstrual cycle ending?
On a more serious note I wouldn’t expect any explanation supported by documented proof by someone who quotes one of the biggest slave-owners of the USA. But bear in mind that when the next World War happens you or your kids (if they are indoctrinated just like yourself) would bleed and die not for some dangerous freedom you painted in your head with fancy Latin phrases but for the interests of the capital, the wealth owners.
Your nescience is obliterated, and the best that you can come up with is a reference to female biology? Perfect.
Thomas Jefferson helped deal slavery its deathblow in America and articulated the single greatest political statement on human freedom in history. Your Mao and Stalin were the two biggest mass murderers of the last century.
You are qualified only to remain silent.
The guyyou adolate so much owned over 600 African-American slaves throughout his adult life and freed only seven. Next you’ll say that Slavery abolishion act by Lincoln wasn’t a political move to gain the edge in the Civil war by the Republicans and Lincoln’s sole intention was to free slaves. That’s rich.
All the while not giving any documented proof of mass murders by Mao and Stalin as well justifying eradication of the Native Americans and dropping nuclear bombs on 200 thousand Japanese civilians. Keep on living in your pink bubble, princess.
adolate […] eradication […] nuclear
So, clumsy and inapt tu quoques and outright lies are the best that you’ve got. Thanks for admitting that you have no dignity.
Thomas Jefferson recognized slavery’s depravity and worked to end it, yet you lie about statism’s depravity and work to impose it. How does it feel to be exponentially more evil than Mr. J.?
Though Lincoln recognized correctly that the Constitution gave him no authority to impose his view of slavery on the country, he always opposed it, and everyone knew that he did. Lincoln and his fellow Republicans — the Republican Party was created to end slavery — abolished the practice, not your fellow statists.
American Indians were wiped out by disease, not Americans. American Indians were dispossessed and treated unjustly by Democrats, not Americans. (And Americans of Japanese descent had their property stolen and their freedoms denied by another Democrat.)
Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have happened to Nazi Germany if the bomb would have been ready on-time. You’re such a historian: How many German civilians were slaughtered by Allied forces, Churchill?
You whine about slavery and genocide while you advocate for your own version of it. You’re such a craven and vile fiend.
adolate […] eradication […] nuclear
So, clumsy and inapt tu quoques and outright lies are the best that you’ve got. Thanks for admitting that you have no dignity.
Thomas Jefferson recognized slavery’s depravity and worked to end it, yet you lie about statism’s depravity and work to impose it. How does it feel to be exponentially more evil than Mr. J.?
Though Lincoln recognized correctly that the Constitution gave him no authority to impose his view of slavery on the country, he always opposed it, and everyone knew that he did. Lincoln and his fellow Republicans — the Republican Party was created to end slavery — abolished the practice, not your fellow statists.
American Indians were wiped out by disease, not Americans. American Indians were dispossessed and treated unjustly by Democrats, not Americans. (And Americans of Japanese descent had their property stolen and their freedoms denied by another Democrat.)
Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have happened to Germany if the bomb would have been ready on-time. You’re such a historian: How many German civilians were slaughtered by Allied forces, Churchill?
You whine about slavery and genocide while you advocate for your own versions of them. You’re such a craven and vile fiend.
Dude, you should really start proofreading your notes as you’re clearly confused by your false information cluttering up your head.
Just Google “How many slaves did Thomas Jefferson have” and the very first result you get is what I copy-pasted from the Wikipedia page – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery
You’re so cute in your denial.
American Democrats were not Americans? Now I’ve seen everything.
Again with justifying nuking the civilians. Nice to meet you, Hitler Jr.
It is indeed right when they say give an idiot a forum to express his views and he’ll show his true colors.
give an idiot […] he’ll show his true colors
You certainly have.
Speaking of “cluttered,” Jefferson and the other Founders were born into a world in which slavery was the norm. (Even you must know that every ancient civilization on Earth practiced some form of slavery.) To their credit, Jefferson and (most of) the other Founders recognized slavery’s depravity and worked to end it. It was the Democrats of the Confederacy who warred to save it.
Offer a link for all the mass executions of American Indians, Ken Burns. The Indian Removal Act, Trail of Tears, Manifest Destiny, the Mexican-American War, the Internment of Americans, etc., all belong to the Democrats, not to Americans in general.
And look at how you run from facts! How many European civilians did the Allies kill during the course of the War? And what did the president say about his willingness to use atomic weapons against Germany if they were ready in time?
Show some dignity, Irregular.
en . radiofarda . com/a/iran-chinese-fishing-persian-gulf/29443642.html
Again, you never lived under the influence of these two countries, i did, many in syria are living miserably and dying because of it, ever heard of ukraine ? china spread it’s corrupt influence all the time, either by buying lands in other countries and controlling prices or military or pushing itself on other’s businesses like the one above.
>state coups funded, one like that is jsut starting in Venezuela at the moment.
They did, they also did one here, your problem is that you want to say USA is bad or not better but that have nothing to do with what i said. but at the same time go watch whos supporting the corrupt gov of venezuela (having 1m% inflation rate is not what USA did but the other two is supporting), china and russia.people fiighting and losing their lives because of their support not USA’s coup there.
Venezuela is starving because of socialism. Irregular is a communist; I don’t know that he can be reasoned with.
He can’t, Maduro have to go.
And you two are brainwashed to the point of no return. You think swapping one person for another somehow magically will change things. Talk about absent reason.
You think
Please address my words.
There is no socialism in Venezuela, dumbbot. There is private property for capital goods. There is a multiparty political system which is why the opposition can oust Maduro so easy. Do you even know what characteristics the socio-economic system must have to be considered socialism? Evidently not.
There is no socialism in Venezuela, d—
How ironic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/opinion/venezuela-maduro-socialism-government.html
Just because some NY Times writer says there is socialism in Venezuela dosen’t make it so. But I guess expecting the likes of you to think for yourself is too much.
That’s ironic, Mr. Mao-was-a-liberator.
Funny how you choose to not notice 43 million living in poverty in the examplar capitalist state that is US as if socialism is the cause of starvation, pauperism and joblessness.
43 million living in poverty
Freedom means freedom to fail. Speaking of “failing,” you fail to mention that many of America’s “poor” have a standard of living that people in other nations and other eras would kill for. You fail to mention that America is the most generous nation on Earth; who actually starves to death within her borders? And you’re positively fleeing from the fact that Communists and Socialists slaughtered hundreds of millions of innocent human beings in the last century, and that doesn’t begin to account for the many millions more denied even basic liberties.
You’re either too obscenely ignorant or too fiendishly mendacious to mention any of that. Please, tell the truth.
Again liberal free market advocates who led USSR to ruin would make to feel right at home.
So it’s a fact just because you said so? How old are you?
So generous that it leaves desctruction and death in its wake. How come with your generosity Africa is still suffering from hunger? How come when US gets involved countries get dissolved in several many territories (USSR, Yugoslavia) using that old Roman “divide and conquer” mantra, playing the nationalist strings of the different peoples that populate these countries? How come US indaved Iraq without UN sanction and under the pretense of Hussein producing weapons of mass destruction that were never found but there is oil there so it’s not like US would pull out after all that trouble?
Talk about obscenely ignorant. Take you head out of your a*s.
Speaking of the need for an extraction, how credulous can you be?
Communism led the USSR to ruin, just as Socialism is destroying Venezuela. Africa starves because of its secular despots and jihadists and despite American blood and treasure spent there. Yugoslavia was defending itself against jihad, but Socialism-friendly Bill Clinton bombed Christians to aid Muslims. The New York Times lamented ISIS’s taking control of Saddam’s WMD after Obama pulled our forces out; how did ISIS take control of something that was “never found”?
Think for yourself, and do your homework.
Oh man. This is a fine example of cluttered mess that’s in your head.
ISIS was formed of the former Saddam generals after Iraq was destroyed by your peace-loving USA.
Speaking of “cluttered messes,” jihad is from Muhammad, Herodotus.
How’s the egg on your face doing?
How sad.
You are indeed.
That’s even sadder.
I am living under the huge influence of US that durectly contributed to my country’s collapse in the early 90s. Most natural resources are under direct control of foreign (US included) multinational corporations. Our president on the order of the ruling class has been selling off our territories people lost lives fighting for to foreign countries. I know what I’m talking about. Care to provide links to Russia fighting leading to lost lives in Iran? I wonder who closed (or made Iran suspend its nuclear program). Also please do enlighten me on Ukraine (I’m sure it’ll be gold).
>Most natural resources are under direct control of foreign (US included) multinational corporations.
Again, thats sad (unlike you i didn’t asked for your proof, that’s because i’m not trying to push my agenda and undermine your point), but when did i said USA is good or anything USA related ? you have problem with USA justified or not, i’m talking about China. can’t i talk s**t about China without condemning others ?
>Care to provide links to Russia fighting leading to lost lives in Iran?
No ? because i never said they took lives in Iran. i guess you don’t read do ya ? they are accusation about Russian snipers killing protesters in tehran 10 years ago but again i never said that but they have a military base over here.
>I wonder who closed or made Iran suspend its nuclear program.
Revolution 40 years ago. Iran had a nuclear program back then and no one had any problem with it, then revolution/hostage taking/airplane shut down etc… happened and led to USA vs Iran.
>Also please do enlighten me on Ukraine.
People protest led to fall of the Ukrainian president, then russia annexed Crimea. simple as that, they attacked and take their land. since then they are at war, sort of.
>I’m sure it’ll be gold.
Of course it is. don’t know why i should provide you stuff while you just throw some random words at me but if this shuts you up for another day, so be it.
Just like I said comedy gold. Next you’ll tell me that Ukraine had a revolution. When in reality it swapped one corrupt president for even more corrupt one with no change of social-econimic basis. It is still run by the oligarchy just a different group of oligarchs. People’s resentment towards the governement was used by the US to lead US-backed oligarchs to power instead of previously Russian backed oligarchs.
>Just like I said comedy gold.
Talking about your re*rded response ? yeah it’s pure comedy.
>swapped one corrupt president for even more corrupt one.
Sure, and that justified the russian attack and stealing their land, yes ? and at the same time when worst happened in Venezuela and USA take sides, it’s an evil capitalists doing coup because Maduro said so, right ?
Funny how you ignore 90% of what i said to push your agenda.
You just can’t help it with the namecalling, can you? And you know what ad hominem attacks speak about you as a person but I’ll leave it on your conscience.
It does not justify Russian low-tier imperialist policy. But joining Crimea which has always been a part of Russia as a result of the people voting for it on the referendum is not “attacking and stealing”. After that people from Donbass (Donetsk and Lugansk regions) were hopeful that they’ll be joining Russia as well and were hoping for some sort of socialist revolution but they soon came to realize that Putin’s promises are just that, promises and that Russian government at its core is as corrupt, anti-social, profit-bent as their former Kiev government.
Incidentally Ukranian government resorts to and glorifies nazis and Hitler collaborators like Stepan Bandera as well as overthrowing and destroying Lenin monuments. Well they are not alone in that anti-sovietism as Russian governement does exactly that but more on the down low glorifying Solzhenytsin’s insane fiction, opening whole centers devoted to Yeltzin, keeping those responsible for millions of starved and dead as a result of their ‘shock therapy” reforms in power where money flows right in their pockets. All the while most of the population get poorer and poorer while oligarchs net worth gets bigger and bigger.
Crimea today as they say has felt the brunt of the heavy Russian taxes and people have done away with the illusion that Russia is some sort of USSR offspring that still has the most of socialist benefits intact. When in fact since 1991 the US-controlled governments have been destroying and deconstructing everything that working people of the 20th Century USSR were spilling their blood for.
So much so that young generations feel truly lost in that soulless bloodsucking machine that just squishes any dreams they might have had what with the dead-end specialties in the Universities due to which young University graduates can not find work because the market does not require so many economists or lawyers and there’s no work distribution which took place in USSR where upon graduation the state found you the work albeit in a different part of the country but still you were guaranteed a job in your specialty. Now these economists and lawyers are scanning bar codes in food stores. The education and healthcare became paid services and the joke that is Russian constitution written American consultants is not even good for wiping your behind with as the government officials do not honor it in the slightest making laws that directly contradict it.
>But joining Crimea which has always been a part of Russia.
Half of middle east was part of Persia, so that gives them right to take it back ?
>on the referendum.
It’s not referendum when you occupy it by force then say ok vote for it. if thats the case then Maduro and Assad and tons of other dictators are choose by people in the most democratic way possible which they are not. it’s called a Show.
>still has the most of socialist benefits intact.
Starvation ?
So, you said all that to just protest my comment about China’s president ? in your eye everyone is an imperialist, what was the need to defend China or attack USA in the first place ?
When the people of Crimea saw fascism rising in mainland Ukraine they didn’t want it to come to them which is why they asked for Russian help. The end result though was far from their dreams about social changes.
So they hated fascists then they chose Socialists and thought that would be a solution ?
Come on, don’t beat around the bush. Next you’ll claim that communism is as bad as nazism or better yet it’s even worse.
It’s the same, really.
Thought as much. Fascist detected. The likes of you would be just fine with one group of the opressors replacing another one as long as it’s the one that you support or are a part of.
It’s still better than your chinese model tho.
For tiny minority of those in power – probably.
No, it’s better than chinese communism for everyone but by 1%, as i said earlier, they are the same.
There is no communism in China though, not even the first phase of communism that is socialism. There is private property for capital goods in China, free trade and all that.
Nope, it’s pure communism for chinese people, one section of the land dedicated to free market aka big companies doing whatever they want and they are already don’t like it and want to take over and control it.
It’s not the size of your budget but what you do with it that matters. Communist China is a tyrannous regime, and the stronger they get, the worse they’re going to be.
Oh man, you’re one naive snowflake, aren’t you?
“Despite recently closing hundreds of bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States still maintains nearly 800 (!) military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad—from giant “Little Americas” to small radar facilities. Britain, France and Russia, by contrast, have about 30 foreign bases combined.”
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321
And whom have we enslaved, Stalin?
It’d be easier to count those who you have not enslaved.
https://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
Judging by your name I assume you’re not one of the poor and the have-nots but probably one of those that benefit from all these crimes. But don’t lie to yourself at least.
Judging by my name? You’re such a bigot. (But we already knew that, didn’t we?)
You’re such a depraved coward, defending the worst mass murderers of the last century as “liberators.” You’re right, if you count genocide as “liberating” people from this world, theft as “liberating” property from its owners, and the brutal suppression of human rights as “liberating” tyrants from all moral restraint.
You’ve certainly liberated yourself from actual fact.
There are two of you in your head? When’s the last time you’ve stayed at the psychiatric ward?
P.S. What I meant by your Spanish sounding name that you were not one of the millions of poor Mexicans but probably one of the wealthy ones who just don’t share the opinions and struggles of the opressed people. In your world “all animals are equal but some are more equal than the others”.
Got documented proof for any of your accusations?
FFVII Remake and Kindom Hearts 3 will be here too i presume.
Trash. To reproduce my comments from PCG here, I will not be buying this anymore. Epic is doing the things that MS and Sony did to try to force people into their ecosystem, doing things their way and having no other choice – throwing money at third party publishers for exclusivity. This is supremely anti-consumer.
Man f*k that noise. This is the first Metro I won’t be buying. Epic Digital Store is anti-consumers and I refuse to support that.
Exactly. The only way 🙂
I was about to pre-order it because it is as simple as having all my games on Steam and such with its cloud saves…now I have to buy games in another places that I don’t want and also without cloud-saves service.
These f*ckers at Epic closed the doors to Paragon players (me included), copied the PUBG formula in a game that was a god awful base defend zombie uninspired cr*p thing, and now that they made the money with Fortnite, they are trying to take out games from a store that we used for a decade or more so they can keep making more money.
If it was at GoG with its cloud saves and no DRM bullcrap I’ll buy it there because at least it is fair and their launcher works fine. But Epic has not a single service to provide to the consumer…so they cr*p on us literally. All the money for them. Okay…well you know what…not going to buy a single cr*p at their store.
This is what happens, when you are 15 years late to the party. Here is “Epic” (the irony of that name), trying to make up a decade and a half of a late start, against an entrenched, and deeply developed store front, with a hilariously shallow, feature-less store front of their own.
Why? Obviously, because they had no faith in, or the vision of, entering the store front for PC games when the competition did. Their answer? Throw money from their hilariously enigmatic success of “Fortnite”, at the problem,
When their store caves (and it will), the losses for them, and any shit-for-brains customers they snagged along the way, will be staggering. The fallout should be of great comedic value.
The success is not enigmatic, it’s obviously what kids want to pump dollars of their parents to these days.
I think it is more than that, EPIC is not alone in this adventure, this seems to be backed by MS and Nvidia, MS wants to downplay steam at any cost, it tryed with MS store and created some strange bugs on some older windows 10 updates, but failed miserably to compete, even more now that steam has been intensively approaching Linux, this is a war.
EPIC has a less “fragmented” brand name people don’t see it with the same negativity as MS.
Nvidia is looking really hard to compete with the console space for the prevalence of the direction it wants the next hardware and software to follow, it’s really important for Nvidia to command it because it can better balance the arcthecture or push it to their side, to have more control of performance on the next generations.
You can spot that Ray tracing, was really rushed to the market, because they need to look like their are the “path tracers” of the industry, although you can spot how much consoles are influencing all variables, without consoles pushing higher core count and acctually lower clock speeds, we probably would never see intel launch neither a 6c/12t or even a 8c/16t so quicly, and Ryzen would not be successfull without this push for higher core utilization, both in games and creative softwares, but mainly in games.
We see CGN arch surviving so long, outlasting two to 3 generations while kepler is dead, maxwell is almost dead, and pascall will have the same fait, just look at RE2 results, is not only a matter of memory size or speed, my 590 is on par with 980ti, take a look at the latest hardware unboxed benchmark.
Obviously EPIC has been a Nvidia friendly, most likely it only exists because nvidia, but it probably can’t be called Nvidia engine, for multiple reasons, maybe even legal ones.
Steam has power enough to remains neutral, but nvidia needs games to be substancially cheaper to capture more console player to PC. The lead platform is the one who will be adopted by Devs.
Oh no they pushed back the release date to: 14th Feb 2020
denuvo, now this, lol, way to tank your own game release
Yeah they lost me at Denuvo. But i must say this new move is quite Ballsy.
That was monkey move to pull it off Steam without warning. Even the lower price there at 49e instead of Steam’s 59e, not gonna happen to use Epic’s pile of crap. FYI: If anyone buy pre-order from any reseller sites, it gonna activates on Steam.
What’s next.. You will need specific GPU’s / CPU’s to play games off specific clients… Might as well truly turn PC gaming into console gaming…
Well the vr headset does that but you are going too far this will never happen
You’re cool.
CPY is an awesome “publisher”! Long live CPY and all of its kind!