Assassin’s Creed Odyssey was supposed to be exclusively led by the female protagonist Kassandra, but Ubisoft’s Chief Creative Officer ‘Serge Hascoet’ forced Alexios to be the main character in the game, along with Kassandra. According to Bloomberg’s Jason Schreier, both Assassin’s Creed Origins and Assassin’s Creed Odyssey were supposed to be two totally different titles, having strong female protagonists.
Bayek’s wife, Aya, was supposed to be the main hero of Assassin’s Creed Origins before the former Chief Creative Officer ‘Serge Hascoët’, forced the team at Ubisoft Montreal to significantly shrink and limit her role in the game. Serge Hascoet forced the team to add in a playable male character because “females don’t sell well in video games”, according to his notion.
Ubisoft Montreal studio was not the only victim of Hascoët’s narrow minded thinking, as Ubisoft Quebec team has also tried to give more emphasis on a female hero. More recently, Ubi Quebec wanted Kassandra to be the sole playable character in Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, with her brother, Alexios, as a side role, but the studio finally settled on giving players the freedom to choose their own gender of the main character in this game.
Hascoet simply said that playable men characters sell video games, and not female. According to one Destructoid article, 2/3 of players chose Alexios instead of Kassandra. The upcoming Assassin’s Creed Valhalla game will also follow in the same footsteps of Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, giving gamers a chance to play as either a male or female character, Eivor. Finally, it appears that ‘Assassin’s Creed III: Liberation’s’ Aveline de Grandpré remains the only sole definitive female protagonist in this long-running AC franchise.
According to one previous Ubisoft employee, Marie Jasmin à la maison, UBI executives told her that ‘women don’t sell every single time’ in video games, when she was in Montréal studio. To quote her twitter post, “I was in the Montréal studio on AC 2 to 10 (origins) and Ubi execs said “women don’t sell” EVERY SINGLE TIME. I am in awe of the Ubi Québec staff who fought teeth and claws to get Evie, and later Kassandra, to even exist. Know that, before them, many battles were lost.”
It appears that Hascoet had the freedom to alter every single game Ubisoft made. The Guillemot brothers who founded Ubisoft trusted Hascoet’s advice in the end, but now things are totally different in UBI, after his resignation from the post.
Jason Schreier posted this on Twitter, “This is a *huge* deal for Ubisoft. Serge Hascoet was the man in charge of ALL of their games. With one word he could greenlight or cancel a project. Many Ubisoft employees believed he was too powerful and close to the CEO to ever be ousted, no matter how many allegations emerged.”
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Not a big deal. Business decision was made. I usually choose the male protagonist when given a choice mostly because the female characters either feel out of place or are given lackluster character models (see the Mass Effect series). However, I did choose Kassandra for AC:O as it was pretty obvious she was the character they put the most effort behind.
Yeah I don’t get what the big deal is. It’s not like he completely removed the female character. If anything it just gave people a choice and was a better business move since the market numbers show the majority of people pick Male.
PROVING THEIR POINT.
Its so funny those people dont realize how out of touch they are with their audience, i remember an article that the devs were surprised most chose the male character because inside the studio it was 50/50. LOL apparently the real world isnt like progressive canada.
I’d give you 10 upvotes if I could.
Male-dominated area (video games), male-dominated theme (warriors in Ancient Greece), and they create a sh**ale as the main character… Facepalm.
Lefties are so out of touch that it hurts my brain.
“50% of gamers are women”
….if you factor free to play mobile games like candy crash. Most of the games women play is mobile games like candycrash sims and games like harvest moon and animal crossing. Yet for some freaking reason they try to get them to play battlefield and cod and assasin creed, by…get this, creating ugly androgenous female characters…in a get this…REALISTIC SETTING, that they kick the crap out of everyone.
The creator of yakuza was surprised there are so many women playing his game and the dude looks and behaves like a pimp. They asked him why they think that is and his response was “i dont know probably because they like real men because they are so many betas around” Which is probably the same reason women liked ezio from ac2.
Yup, I hate it when SJWs quote misleading statistics on purpose.
The default female design in ME1 and arguably even 2 was lakcluster. But she was really good in ME3.
I kind of want them to go full ideological so people who buys these POZ games have to bear all the bullsh!t throw at them for contributing to this crap.
most effort is the story not making sense from a female perspective and having the female actor coming in late while the male actor was working on the game for a significant longer time and all the advertisment in the game being done with the male character.
They (Ubisoft) are just hypocrites, not much of a shock.
I loved both Evie and Kassandra.
Girls do not play videogames. And guys do not want to play as female characters.
This is something a 9 year old would say.. It isn’t true at all. I picked Kassandra and it just seemed she was the better choice, especially if you pick all the negative responses.
My best male friend picks chicks in games when given the option. He’s Texan, Married, active Army duty, Come and Take it flag in garage along with the Confederate flag. You’re thinking as if there’s only one kind of person and it’s a dangerous thing to live your life thinking.
he’s talking about majority of people and he’s right.
Majority isn’t important.
it is when you’re doing a business.
And the small percentage of male gamers they get upset about this kind of thing isn’t a majority. If the game is good it’ll sell well.
I don’t have an opinion on this, I’ve seen people complain about these sort of things a lot but i only visit dsog and pcgamer.
“If the game is good it’ll sell well.”
False, bad games sell well too, or even more.
That doesn’t mean a hill of beans to anything related to a game with a female lead and falls deeper into opinion and speculation than necessary.
It matters when they are doing the decisions before kickstarting a new game.
so because people dont whine enough it doesnt matter and if they whine they are manbabies?
Apply this logic to microtransactions and suck that corporate boot harder.
Depends on the occasion. Take democracy for example, majority is important for elections, not so much when they are writing policy, which for the most part goes against the wishes of voters.
Total separate discussion, unrelated.
So when you say majority is not important, why don’t you specify what you mean?
“Majority isn’t important” Wtf loool
When you’re trying to sell something ofcourse it is.
the majority of your people buying your game isnt important?
wow such a winning move dude.
So he says while living under a democracy.
Ahem… that’s government, not a private business. Know your facts.
Private businesses abide by the laws of said democratic states, when not trying to avoid or subvert said laws of course.
I don’t think you have enough self awareness to make anyone else aware of facts.
Even if it’s just 1/3 of Odyssey players who played Kassandra (me being one), that’s not a statistically insignificant number or players. It doesn’t make sense to shoot yourself in the foot by turning off that many potential customers by walking back from that.
Similarly, by percentage the number of core gamers who are women might be a minority, but gaming is so big these days that I bet it’s still well into the millions. You don’t want to leave that money on the table.
That said, “representation” is obviously BS and we don’t need to see ourselves in a protagonist, or any other character for that matter, to identify with them. It’s just about giving players more ways to engage with the media, and I’m always into that. The stupid part is when those choices make zero difference to the game. That was one thing I hated about Odyssey, actually.
not even 1/3 but my question is why cater to 1/3 and not 2/3 ?
most people play as males so to force players to play as a female is just baffling to me.
Well, there is the obvious follow up question that isn’t being considered here. While it may be true that given the choice only 1/3 of the players will choose to play the female option, that’s not the same as asking how many people would choose to not play a game at all if that’s the only option.
How many of those people who chose to play as Alexios would have skipped the game if the only choice was Kassandra? Also, how many of the people who chose to play as Alexios were women? We just don’t have this data.
are you an idiot you proved the ubi suits point?
“I picked Kassandra and it just seemed she was the better choice, especially if you pick all the negative responses.”
Imagine that, if you pick the choice the writers and designers put more effort on, then it is the better choice, shocking.
“My best male friend picks chicks in games when given the option. He’s Texan, Married, active Army duty, Come and Take it flag in garage along with the Confederate flag.”
Surely seems fitting for a Mercenary serving Israeli interests and LGBTQ USA doctrine, i wonder how your friend is coping now that the army banned confederate flags and will change the names of bases named about confederate personalities…
What do I know about what the game designers and how much they put into the male vs the female within a minute of starting the game? You failed.
Mercenary? Wtf are you talking about, son? You’re just stringing together a bunch of random words and forming stupid sentences. Let’s hope your school can reopen soon.
“What do I know about what the game designers and how much they put into the male vs the female within a minute of starting the game?”
So you didn’t played the game or played very little to form a coherent opinion, ok, maybe you can disclose that next time you sh!tpost.
” You’re just stringing together a bunch of random words and forming stupid sentences.”
Says the guy who thinks his soldier boyfriend is an example of masculinity, lmao.
“So you didn’t played the game or played very little to form a coherent opinion, ok, maybe you can disclose that next time you sh!tpost.”
I beat the game.. but I pick the character at the very beginning. Do you understand now?
I see, i never gave an opinion about female shepard other than “i don’t care” because i never played as female shepard in the Mass Effect games (i did see some minor footage tho’).
And I played male Shepard there. I’m just saying.. it’s not a big deal.
Right… say that to the executives and ideological activists.
Both wrong
statistics wise it checks out.
Girls do play games, And nude mods fix the second part for some guys.
I bet most people have played at least one Tomb Raider game and liked it, Even without said mods!
I remember when WoW came out and all us guys at work started playing together, We all made our characters and they were male, Except one guy who made a female character, We all laughed and said why? He replied,Well if I have to stare at my characters backside for several hours it may as well be something I like.
We were all impressed and said that is a very good point and shut up. lol
“He replied,Well if I have to stare at my characters backside for several hours it may as well be something I like.”
What an original response, lmao, never heard of it before. s/
Yeah but very few of them plays games like those.
Tomb Raider, yeah, The Sims, yeah, but most other titles are dominated by a male player base.
Also, why people can’t get over the fact that the playable character doesnt’ have to be like them? And female warriors are out of place most of the time.
Girls should just accept that warriors are male and get over it.
It’s not girls pushing these things, don’t be silly.
Yes, not normal girls. Feminists and those who are gullible enough to buy the whole victim narrative.
And probably the worst of them: men who try to guess what offends women by using their warped judgement…
feminists are an ideological arm, they create “legitimacy” as a cover for the real subversives behind the curtain, you know these people share an particular ethnicity right?
there is a nude mode for kassandra…my eyes
i dont buy this chief, there was a interview that the male voice actor accidentaly let it slip that he worked on the game for longer than the female voice actress.
“Bayek’s wife, Aya, was supposed to be the main hero of Assassin’s Creed Origins before the former Chief Creative Officer ‘Serge Hascoët’, forced the team at Ubisoft Montreal to significantly shrink and limit her role in the game. Serge Hascoet forced the team to add in a playable male character because “females don’t sell well in video games”, according to his notion.”
I also dont buy that part because thats like going so far back during development that you essentially saying that the game was imagined different than what it actually came out and was effectively a different game that never happened. Suppose thats true, that means that they were always going to make it a open world ubisoft game tm and the microtransactions were there by design…..but muh female main character…this, right there kills any good faith on the devs and washes the sins of the corporate suits. As for games with women not selling, thing this logically, would they advertise the game with the male character and put the male character in the box art if they thought other wise? Not really ken levine says the reason bioshock infinite has a guy with a gun in its box is because alot of people were turned off form the box art of the original game so they didnt buy it.
So they know what they are doing.
I started as the male but he sounded like an idiot, Kassandra was a far better character
Kassandra definitely got the better VA.
But thats the fault of the developers. Besides, having the choice there i feel was a good decision in the end.
I made the same mistake too. Started as Alexios, couldn’t stand the smug/quippy-Joss-Whedon tone, it worked way better as Kassandra.
I made the right choice by skipping this POS game althogether.
Nope.
The point is to play as Alexios.
Dialogues and story are written for stupid brute muscle man.
For Kassandra the whole thing is one big cringe.
That’s because woman doing male centered things feels unnatural, hence the term “man with t!ts”.
Sounds to me the writers deliberately sabotaged the male character.
No he sounds alright. And you get used to it very quickly.
It’s a crappy take. Women can sell in games, just don’t make it radical leftist agitprop.
For context, I like games with female protagonists. Give me character creator with decent customization options (like Saints Row, for example) and I’ll likely wind up with a female character for at least my first playthrough.
All this stuff about female leads is the same self-fulfilling prophecy we used to have with superhero movies and how they never made money, so nobody really but the money into making them really good. It’s about quality, meaning the writing, the story and the characters (and the fun factor). Horizon Zero Dawn sold really well. It seems like anime RPGs with female leads do well. How can I not mention Lara Croft…no one would have cared about that first Tomb Raider in the 90s if the game wasn’t good! And since we’re talking Ubi here, how about Jade from Beyond Good and Evil? We’ve been clamoring for a sequel for years!
I buy some head up their butt executive might say something like that, but screw this overall idiotic politicization of identity by this Marie chick. That’s the real problem here, that we’ve been getting that rammed down our throats so much the last few years that we can’t just enjoy a game with a female MC without having to wonder if she’s a she because the devs thought it would be cool for the story they want to tell, or if they are trying to make a political statement.
I just want to play good games.
>Woman can sell in games
>”Give me character creator with decent customization options”
That’s not it chief.
” How can I not mention Lara Croft…no one would have cared about that first Tomb Raider in the 90s if the game wasn’t good!”
30plus years of video game history and Lara Croft is the only female centric franchise you can mention, proving the point of the Ubisoft guy.
“And since we’re talking Ubi here, how about Jade from Beyond Good and Evil? We’ve been clamoring for a sequel for years!”
Would be easier to make a sequel if people bought the game in the first place lmao.
that beyond good and evil 2 has been in development hell for years.
You know that development hell means “side project we don’t put much effort on” right?
No, the point I’m trying to make is that they make a sh*t product and it doesn’t sell, then they say pin the lack of sales on the media having a female lead. Then some other asshat uses that as a reason to not have a female lead at all, and voila, a lack of GOOD media with female leads.
It’s just like Charlie’s Angels or Terminator: Dark Fate. Following along now?
“No, the point I’m trying to make is that they make a sh*t product and it doesn’t sell”
Ok, so games like Beyond Good and Evil, Mirror’s Edge and it’s sequel and Heavenly Sword didn’t sell because they are she!tty products and nothing to do with femal leads right?
“Then some other asshat uses that as a reason to not have a female lead at all, and voila, a lack of GOOD media with female leads.”
Are you living on a rock my dude? It’s 2020, there is no such thing as a lack of media with female leads, there is too much media with female leads.
No, it’s not that “there is too much media with female leads”, it’s that there’s a lack of media with female leads that isn’t woke propaganda. None of those can be good because propaganda and good story are incompatible. Would you have a problem with female leads if they were still doing things like Alien and Terminator 2, or the OG Tomb Raider or more Nier: Automata?
If we want to cherry pick, there are still examples like HZD that have sold really well, and Hellblade seems to have done quite well, especially with Xbox Game Pass. But I’m trying to point out the cyclical trend, and part of that meant that in the past good media with female leads would get overlooked because no one expects media with a female lead to be good, or they think “good” is relative to the bar set by other (crappy) media that have a female lead.
“Would you have a problem with female leads if they were still doing things like Alien and Terminator 2, or the OG Tomb Raider or more Nier: Automata?”
From the “woke propaganda” perspective, Alien and Terminator 2 fits the mold pretty well, and it is often mentioned by woke people as movies that was “ahead of the times”. People need to drop this perception that if a movie/game have “woke propaganda” it is of bad quality, then they turn around and talk about the good ones lol. I think this is a case of suspension of disbelief towards propaganda, if the media is good, they ignore the harmful propaganda (not subconciously off course).
“If we want to cherry pick, there are still examples like HZD that have sold really well, and Hellblade seems to have done quite well, especially with Xbox Game Pass.”
I cherry picked your claim that if a game don’t sell it is because it sucks or it is woke propaganda. The games you mentioned probably suck but sold well enough despite being woke propaganda, (don’t know about HZD but Hellblade was really boring and woke trash about a crazy ugly girl, but hey, it sold well just like other woke trash like Life is Strange.)
Something isn’t woke just because it has a female lead, or anything else for that matter. It takes intent to make agitprop instead of just ordinary fiction.
Propaganda and story are mutually exclusive. This is because when you try to build message first the way propaganda does you’re starting with the conclusion, and because your message is the most important thing, you can’t stray from that. Anything that doesn’t fit into that tiny little box has to go. It’s a kind of inflexibility, because if all your ‘story’ ever has to do is just be this one thing, then it never has to change, characters never (or even can’t be allowed to) grow. This is why Mary Sue characters are so big in SJW media.
Now, you can tell a story with a message, but when this is done well, you never start there, and you lead the reader/viewer/player through the journey, and usually you wouldn’t explicitly tell them what the message is. Even when a story has a message there should be a sense of discovery. HZD actually fits this mold very well; it does get a little unnecessarily “Rah! Rah! GRRRLPOWA!” in places when it didn’t need to, but it’s a solid twist on a cautionary environmental tale and Aloy (I do think it’s dumb that they didn’t make her prettier) goes on a proper heroic journey.
This is why I saw that anything truly woke is going to be bad as a foregone conclusion. It’s possible to be a bit woke, like that Witcher series on Netflix with it’s lame casting (though the chick that plays Yennefer is beautiful and a really great actress), but then something kind of fun can be ruined because it had to insert gender politics, like that latest Charlie’s Angels. Even if someone has never studied up on story structure or whatever they can usually spot these things. Several thousand years of telling basically the same stories (see The Monomyth) and it’s just part of all of us. It’ll feel “off” somehow, thus “Get Woke, Go Broke”. If those two examples aren’t enough, just as Disney how the last couple of Star Wars movies did.
Basically what you say is “if i like this media, it’s not propaganda” or “if i like this media, i can tolerate some of the propaganda” which is what the people making this games are going for, so long as you buy their games. Either way, it is an interesting way into the predictive programming mindset, you focus on some movie failures as if this is somehow “new”, while giving a pass to their sucessful propaganda.
No, that’s not what I’m saying. While there is a subjective measure to whether you like something or not, whether or not it is GOOD can often be quantified objectively. These are not mutually exclusive concepts, either; ie, I love b-movies. “So bad it’s good.” you know?
An example of something objective is whether or not a character has growth: Luke v. Rey.
What I’m saying is exactly what I said. Exactly those words. Even if you don’t have an English or Lit degree you will likely sense something off if what you’re looking at is propaganda disguised as entertainment.The reason for examples is to try and show you exactly what I’m talking about, why some things succeed and other things fail.
If you see propaganda everywhere you look, it’s probably because you’re looking for it. Just like how SJWs see racism/sexism/homophobia everywhere. This is called the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.
What i don’t like about people that are only focused on quality/writing is that they will accept any degenerate media so long as the “quality is good”, no wonder movie makers are emboldened to make movies about bes**ality (even winning awards) and pedophilia.
“An example of something objective is whether or not a character has growth: Luke v. Rey.”
Ok, so the new Star Wars is more feminist, but a movie like Alien or Terminator 2 having “character growth” doesn’t make those movies less feminist or less propaganda, quite the opposite actually.
“If you see propaganda everywhere you look, it’s probably because you’re looking for it. Just like how SJWs see racism/sexism/homophobia everywhere.”
It’s simple, that’s because propaganda is everywhere and most people turn a blind eye to it, specially on an industry as old as hollywood. Even the sjw’s have a point to see race and s*x everywhere(a simple fact of life), it’s just their prescription that are bad. Propaganda by no means mean bad quality, i would say these new movies would qualify as bad propaganda for being more overt and pandering to a specific group.
see this is what they mean, THEY DONT WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO PICK
First it started as “here is character creator”
then it was “you choose”
now its “you get only female character”
every game will be like control, horizon and last of us 2, you get some androgenous lesbian bulldyke and thats it.
They are NOT gonna make characters like that thigh gap anime game or b2 fckdoll from neir or the old lara. Just men pretending to be women.
I will always favour the ability to create my own character, but what’s wrong with having only a female lead if the game is really good?
Think of any game you want that you loved. I don’t know you, so maybe you would love it less if it had to play as a woman, but ask yourself if that’s true. All other things being essentially same, would Doom suddenly be bad game if they pulled a Metroid reveal at the end?
Issue isn’t female characters, it’s how they’re handled, they’re turning women into men and inserting them in unfitting roles or downright censoring their bodies in an effort to “send a positive message and creative a positive image”, which is codeword for:
” We no longer care about entertainment but only to push our retarded ideals”
The other issue is that it’s not about elevating women it’s about demeaning men, and that’s what’s happening here.
But take a step back and try to see how batsh*t insane this is and how badly you’re being played and subverted:
They’re critizing the fact that you can pick to play as a man in a game about Greek Spartan warriors, in a game that markets istelf as being “historically authentic”
Can you not see this insanity?
dude check the real actor who plays dina in last of us 2, she has nice big t*ts, they nerfed her t*ts, they made them flat
Who the fck does that?
Some idiot who believes male gaze or some sh*t like that, tiddies are bad because men would stare at it.
That’s actually exactly what I’ve been trying to say: the problem isn’t so much that there are female leads in games, or even that that’s the only option in a game, it’s the politicization of it, which always leads to it being qualitatively bad.
there is a game called venetica, it has a nice female character, her to be husband was murdered and she goes to temples that let her talk to him once again, she is pretty strong and a nice person.
Compare that with modern female characters and how cinematic games are.
Venetica was cool, yeah. I totally agree we need more stuff like that, not the agitprop crap being pushed on us these days. What I’d trying to say is that if we had more games like that, with female characters like that, we wouldn’t be mad about it. We’re mad about the wokeness pandering and the lecturing, I think, more so than that the protagonist of a game is a woman. At least I am.
and what kind of games you think they gonna make now?
Games industry moves slow, what with the time it takes to make games and all that, so it’s hard to make predictions. I’m betting we’ve got at least a couple more years of too much crap and even more of having to scrutinize everything no matter based it looks at first.
I’m hopeful that the success of Ghost of Tsushima and the recent thing where CD Prokejt Red guy said Cyberpunk isn’t going to be a political statement will be things other devs and publishers will take note of.
ubisoft is in the process of being converted, they kick out the veterans and feel them with sjws, they gonna make their games more progressive. Cdprojekt we know from inside sources its filled with foreigners and this is gonna be the last good game they will make. I agree that at the very least we got 2 years of this if sjws were defeated, because games take many years to make, but now they have almost completely taken over , so we got at least 5 years of this and so far next gen games are utter trash, i dont care about this industry anymore, i dont see any reason of buying a next gen consoles.
Well, Ubi is crumbling under the weight of all these sexual misconduct claims right now, so we’ll just have to see how that goes.
I’m going to push back on the foreigners at CDPR, though. That doesn’t mean everything the make from here on out is going to be SJW, if what they’ve done is actually just look for the best of the best. That interview that’s been getting all that attention has a nice “diversity of thought” message at the end, which you know SJWs are violently (literally) opposed to. Time will tell, maybe you’re right and I’m wrong on them, but we can only wait and see.
“That doesn’t mean everything the make from here on out is going to be SJW”
inside sources say this will be that last good game.
i will explain this by telling you to compare the old tomb raider games with the new ones.
old tomb raider games had an attractive lara in order to sell the game and the gameplay was complex and solid, new tomb raider games have a unimpressive lara and gameplay is a dumbed down action fest.
Now take a look at resident evil 3, the old one is pretty good nonlinear kill is cute, the new one jill is kinda manly and the gameplay is scripted to death making it very linear and inferior.
Now take a look at rebel galaxy outlaw, basically a crappy freelancer but the character is a woman who looks like a man like a female hans solo, you would think it wouldnt matter but she wont shut up she talks all the time even in space battles and is an awful character.
Now take a look at last of us 2 and how the female characters look there, now take a look at the outer worlds, now take a look at the new assasin creed. All the female characters are androgenous bulldykes, awful unlike characters that are put front and center and the game focuses more on them than the gameplay.
So now ubisoft jumps in and says “ok you had your fun, now we gonna remove the male characters as well as character customization and force this ugly unlikeable character on you.
That is the problem, the problem is we dont live in a era that games with female characters were like tomb raider and resident evil and metroid or bayonnetta or neir automatra. We live in a era that every female character is like the last of us 2 and the game focuses 90% on this awful character with barely any gameplay.
Am i paying 60 bucks…70 now in the new gen, to interact with a cinematic bully d*ke feminist cnt propaganda?
The golden age of gaming is dead. All devs do now is pick a semi realistic setting, that is generic, make as scripted to death “cinematic” game or worse looter shooter and push unlikable ugly irredeemable characters on you that 90% of the game revolves around them…that would be 70 bucks sir.
If all recent/future female character in AC games is just like Aya or Evie,i don’t mind if there’s one character only. But if its like Cassandra or any strong wahmen that Ubisoft create recently,no thanks bro!!!
Aya is a strong ugly woman too.
Evie and Kassandra were written the same way.
Well Ofcourse now every garbage movie or a game must have female lead, even in the ps5 games trailers 90% female lead LOL. I have no problem with female lead at all sometimes I even prefer it, but you have to make it balance.
” I have no problem with female lead at all sometimes I even prefer it, but you have to make it balance.”
Power is a zero sum game, now they made this acessible and pallatable to the masses so from now on male characters will end up being the exception like woman where in the past.
Exactly. Many older games have women as main characters in them but they aren’t written for brownie points. Rampant SJWs, when they say that people opposing such blatant propaganda hate women miss the point so much that it hurts my brain. It seems they’re extremely gullible (they believe whatever a blue checkmark spits out on Twitter). They know nothing about games, are massive trolls, or just ultra dumb.
As I said before industry needs to crash in order to remove trash companies and the people who run them with their blue hair.
ubi is a bunch of hypocrites, does it really matter that your imaginary video game have imaginary female of male character?
“women don’t sell”, yea right because isn’t like Tomb Raider the most iconic female in video games making games since the 90s.
but women who look like men and behave like men and are borderline transgender don’t sell, kassandra looked like somewhat tranny, moved like a man
your upcoming valhala female character looks like a man, ubi trying to redefine what a woman is, and it is fuucckking disgusting
nah samus aran is more iconic then laura.
Lara croft is an exception, not a rule.
Male charachters sell better then female so he is right.
when it come to lara tomb raider 2013 started as the fastest selling tomb raider but then they were sad at the low sales which picked up when they re-released the game. I think the reason the old tomb raiders sold was the big tittied sexualized character and then the gameplay after they played it and found it what the game was like, the new tomb raiders did not sell well.
In origins as much as i liked Bayek(best assassins since Ezio imo) his wife Aya aka Amunet was more badass and charismatic.
Best since Ezio was obviously Edward.
Edward was such an awesome character
Your username fits so well in a AC discussion, i could hardly bother finishing the very first game so now i won’t touch a single game from this series.
It applies to all modern Ubi games. Copy paste open world design with a touch of sci-fi or fantasy. Climb xy buildings/towers, collect xy crap and kill xy bad guys. All in pretty but dull environments and story that isn’t really there.
I remember Ubi from the start and they were one of the most creative in the business. Not gonna happen in modern corporate environment.
Last game from Ubisoft i played recently was Driver San Francisco, that game is good not gonna lie.
Yeah, that was a good one. Released 2011.
So you are telling me Ubisoft writers made the female character more charismatic? Wow, it happens so naturally s/
Nobody cares other than SJW’s and Jason Schreier is a weasel who feeds on stirring up industry drama.
Don’t give these bottom feeders attention, dsogaming is a good PC site free from this nonsense.
Sounds like vapid virtue signalling to me
“They added a man because of this guy we outed from the company”
And then Twitter drones clap without knowing a hint of Greek history
Honestly, with Serge gone, I hope they go full tranny and women on everything just so more people wake up to this cancer.
Ubisoft is not a company worth giving money to, same company surviving on Canadian handouts.
“Honestly, with Serge gone, I hope they go full tranny and women on everything just so more people wake up to this cancer.”
Luckily for people who can’t wait for the ever-evolving clown show, they’re on the right track. Have you seen the main character in AC: Valhalla?
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/62377badd72d1fcec25457e287a35036d2da31d628b21ab37c5f3e3cb2e6c894.png
Hahahahaa….. “GOD DAM YOU, I’m not a SIR, I’m a MA’AM!!!”
Then proceeds to thrash the hell of out of the once extant Gamestop store….
Lmao screw ubisoft and the guy who made this article Metal False Messiah.
HUH? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eabcb42f6e40e2bd65d1678c86b865651f201de806c5d17caf4510ff6bf9c96a.jpg
she is cute, unlike this dude in valhala
That’s the character from Valhalla. Meaning it would seem that there’s something suspicious about this person’s side by side.
i saw the leaked gameplay dude, he doesnt look nothing like the picture you posted.
It’s from Ubisoft so.. whatever. I looked at the leak too and it the video quality wasn’t great. When I’ve frozen the frame on a face close up, it’s not a hottie, but it doesn’t look quite like that side by side pic.
I will laugh if the female choice does look like the side by side. Yikes. But I’m skeptical that it will.
Barring the fact that this is obviously promo material, is this supposed to look good?
She looks like a San Francisco D&D LARPER with a manjaw
The attire critique goes for both sexes, it looks f*king awful, even worse than the garbage designs in the History Channel series it completely rips off, but the combination of that and the female character looking like sh*t is just something else entirely.
How low are your standards?
Are you trying to f*ck her? Are you trying to f*ck a make believe video game character? It’s a 900 AD made up character.. get a life. I bet you look like sh*t. I’m a handsome f*ck and the promo material looks fine to me.
I’m trying to say that she looks like sh*t and that AAA art designers are absolute bottom of the barrel trash.
ah now Elise was f*king sexy. who’s that dude next her though.
It’s Eivor, an attack helicopter. Don’t judge, for xis gender is neither male or female, lol.
so not human…gross.
at this point we are all accelarationist with this industry. For those who dont get it, how many great games you played in the ps4/xbone generation? Not many new ips or exclusives. Well next gen its gonna be even worse, far less game far less new stuff, more sequels less exclusives to own a console.
So who cares? Just play old games you never played with emulators, they are better anyway.
Ofc she was
Every Corporation should do what RedBull did
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/red-bull-fires-woke-diversity-directors-who-tried-push-blm-support
so much better 😀
If this guy was in charge of everything, his greatest sin was far from picking the wrong gender for the protagonist, but the direction he took the series, mechanically.
https://youtu.be/aF2br0HUU94
assassin’s creed became shet when it changed into an rpg.
It was sh*t the moment they were finished with the first one which is the only Assassins Creed worth playing if you actually value aesthetics, good gameplay design and cohesive narratives and game titles.
What pisses me off is how good 4 could have been if it had been it’s own title instead of the same sh**ty schlock, I can’t even replay it because I have to replay the hand holding boring a*s stealth missions and the absolutely retarded plot and I get PTSD just by being reminded of them.
Yes. And while the whole Assassin’s Creed formula got kinda tiresome, this was because simply too many games were released in a short span of time.
Mind you, I’m not tempted to play any AC titles right now, but if anything, I would choose the ones with classic gameplay (like Unity or Syndicate) over this new “Dark Soulz successful so we do da same” style.
not only that but they fired the dude who made the series, bought the studio he went into and fired him again.
Game is a mediocre copy paste slog regardless, I doubt that would’ve changed.
She was by far the most interesting of the two. Not surprised at all that whoever the male character was turned out to be an aftertought.
What made her more interesting? They’re essentially the same character with the same dialogue.
And now he gets flak? Lol. The game is still clown world agenda, but he improved it a bit.
Contrary to what brainwashed normies think, forcing artificial equality is detrimental of the atmosphere of games set in more or less historical times. It isn’t believable and it looks more like LARPing done by highschoolers.
You disgust me you ni**er hating fa**ot. Hope covid 19 kills you ans your family gets raped by a blackman. Diagusting your way of thinking.
lmao
haaahahhahah
Found the racist
Lol you are claiming that they hate blacks while simultaneously calling blacks the ‘n’ word? Lmfao
And a man cannot fight like Alexios.
Lol, you want reality in video games? You want to play a game that is scientifically & biologically correct? Than you should try Dark Souls or Monster Hunter. Or The Witcher 3.
By the way, you know that the Cyclops really existed?
None of the games you mentioned are realistic. There is a thing called “suspension of disbelief” which is more easily achieved by male characters doing male centric things like war, combat, etc. People nowadays don’t have so much of those thanks to the feminization of males due to dropping Testosterone levels in western males among other things.
It’s about AC Odyssey, right? Is Odyssey with its combat and mythical creatures realistic? Very far from it.
And actually no game is really realistic, shooting and melee combat in any game is very far from reality. Games are games, no matter how realistic they try to be.
“Suspension of disbelief, sometimes called willing suspension of disbelief, is an intentional avoidance of critical thinking or logic in examining something surreal, such as a work of speculative fiction, in order to believe it for the sake of enjoyment.”
So take for example mythical creatures, they don’t exist (or they went extinct, same difference) a woman fighting mythical creatures have less suspension of disbelief than her male counterpart, because males are associated with warlike activities while females are associated with childbearing activities. Hell, even in terms of old tales and mythologies in general we have males doing the combat, so to claim that men or woman are basically the same in a male centric scenario (realistic or not)speaks of a feminized mind in a liberal order.
There are plenty of female warriors and hunters in the Greek mythology. I usually choose to play a female character, if the game has such an option.
No offence intended, but some of you people on these forums come across as misogynistic, insecure, frustrated incels.
“No offence intended, but some of you people on these forums come across as misogynistic, insecure, frustrated incels.”
No offense given, tho’ you come across as an h0m0sexual, no offense intended.
“There are plenty of female warriors and hunters in the Greek mythology. I usually choose to play a female character, if the game has such an option.”
Where the ratio of female to male in combat 50/50 like we see in today games? Hell 50/50 is being a positive estimate, nowadays games are more like 70/30 in favor of females (and even old games getting patched up to put more females lmao).
Lol, no offence taken.
he i a troll i blocked him and i never block people.
“There are plenty of female warriors and hunters in the Greek mythology”
MYTHOLOGY, same with “female viking warriors”
the reason i am focussing on this is because at this point “assasin creed” isnt about assasinating people but its a fantasy rpg, so MIGHT AS WELL go all the way and add more nonhuman enemies in those games.
It’s pretty sad how people get manipulated so easily. Just wrap a massive turd in a rainbow-colored wrapper and they will gobble it up.
They’re so stupid that it’s possible to basically call a movement “Morally Right People”, constantly say “We are morally right! All who oppose us are immoral!”, and then do some vile/manipulative things to others for personal gains. Their brains can’t comprehend that something named by using words with positive connotations may be a ruse. They simply take everything at face value and thus make for excellent puppets which are then used by manipulative big fish who own the richest companies to attain their goals motivated by egoistic ulterior motives.
I guess that explains why the player was forced to play as Aya in the important missions of AC Origins while Bayek gets pushed in the background. As for AC Odyssey, playing as Kassandra or Alexios makes no difference although I don’t know if the protagonist is considered as a Spartan soldier because that would be revisionism (like what they’re doing on AC Valhalla).
As for “women don’t sell”, well it wasn’t true a long time ago but it is now. Just see the awful Tomb Raider reboot or Mirror’s Edge.
Also let’s not forget that 2/3 of the players chose Alexios. The same thing happened on Mass Effect, where people played as male Shepard and very few played as femShep.
“As for “women don’t sell”, well it wasn’t true a long time ago but it is now. Just see the awful Tomb Raider reboot or Mirror’s Edge.”
I don’t know what you are saying, Tomb Raider reboot sold well, but MIrror’s Edgue failed both times.
IMPORTANT
– AYA – There were more details revealed about the original role of Aya. I read that they wanted to kill Bayek pretty early and suddenly make Aya main hero of Origins as REPLACEMENT ! That would be clearly stupid decision that would upset many many players. so I understand why Hascoet or whoever else didnt want to do that.
I usually dont agree and dont like these stupid marketing guys but unfortunatelly It seems that what Hascoet probably did in the past.. when he was awful to some people.. it happens now AGAIN, just vice-versa – now the others are awful against those who just had/has different opinion.
Loved playing as Eveline, Evie. I’m indiferent to Aya given we barely controlled her.
Currently playing through Odyssey with Kassandra.
SJW Shyte
yup i saw that, wtf you think the whole metoo accusations at ubisoft are? A way of getting rid people they are not like them, eg look at how they kicked out chris avelone from dying light 2 and vampire masquarade bloodlines 2, which will have both pronouns and trigger warnings and it will “punch up”
full sjw infiltration.
Like i said in my previous post the male voice actor in ac was working in the game for longer, so the argument that it was initially Cassandra is a lie. Another good example is ghost recon breakingpoint if you watch crowbat’s video at some point one of the npcs says to the player “such a man as yourself” but the character is female, they didnt intend to have female characters those choices were literally done at the end of development.
It’s ironic how it’s the feminists who hate the peak female form and try to steer away from it as far away as they can.
what do you expect those crazy b*ches wish they were men.
this is where i am going to disagree, these look good compared to the trash we are usually served. Look at last of us 2, or control, or the new ac character.
“Kassandra is already a male. She walks, Fights, Talks like a man. A woman cannot fight like her. Its scientifically & biologically impossible. Ubicucked staff want to make a Karen and they did it.”
With the current dehumanization of “karen” (white women) going on in the USA, we are about to see more “shaniquas” (black woman or foreign woman in general) as video game protagonists.
Fortunately we won’t, because that sells even less and these POS corporations only care about money.
All of them thought that going woke will bring in the big bucks, and now they are starting to realize they fked up.
“because that sells even less and these POS corporations only care about money.”
Wrong, they care about shaping people tastes as well.
“All of them thought that going woke will bring in the big bucks, and now they are starting to realize they fked up.”
Also wrong, they know there is a risk involved by alienating part of their audience, so they try to play it safe and strike a balance between sales and pushing their agenda.
ok, so more nude mods them?
thanks Ubisoft for Alexios. from now, all both s*x choice please.
1) Games should represent everyone who might play.
2) Everyone should enjoy playing as a girl in games.
Those points oppose each other, yet are used everyday by those pushing the leftist agenda. So which is it, folks?
Further proof that SJWs don’t want equality, equality is what ended up happening (and makes them so pissed off), they want to intefere with everything, shove their politics into it as some sort of revenge.
Ubisoft is absolutely right. I wouldnt NOT buy Odyssey if it was Kassandra only.