Project CARS has just been released, and a lot of AMD owners have reported performance issues, even when using red team’s high-end GPUs. Naturally, some may have thought that this is may be caused by NVIDIA, however Ian Bell, head of Slightly Mad Studios, claimed that NVIDIA has not paid Slightly Mad Studios a penny in order to intentionally cripple the game’s performance on AMD’s graphics cards. In short, this underwhelming performance is not due to NVIDIA’s “grand scheme.”
As Ian Bell wrote on the WMD forum when a fan asked him about the performance issues that AMD owners currently face:
“We’ve provided AMD with 20 keys for game testing as they work on the driver side. But you only have to look at the lesser hardware in the consoles to see how optimised we are on AMD based chips.
We’re reaching out to AMD with all of our efforts. We’ve provided them 20 keys as I say. They were invited to work with us for years, looking through company mails the last I can see they (AMD) talked to us was October of last year.
Categorically, Nvidia have not paid us a penny. They have though been very forthcoming with support and co-marketing work at their instigation. We’ve had emails back and forth with them yesterday also. I reiterate that this is mainly a driver issue but we’ll obviously do anything we can from our side.”
AMD’s Corporate Vice President IPG, Roy Taylor, afterwards revealed that AMD is currently working with Slightly Mad Studios in order to fix these performance issues.
https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/596361439016685569
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It doesn’t run that great for me and I’m using SLI 770’s. I can be running at 60 fps, then suddenly drop to the 30’s for seemingly no reason.
This happens with almost all big game releases these days, at launch, game runs great on Nvidia cards and poorly on AMD cards. After AMD releases their driver, the game run equally if not better than Nvidia cards. People should accept this reality and learn to be more patient if they own an AMD card. Nvidia likes money more than AMD so they are more proactive with their drivers and that is why they have managed to secure the hearts and minds of the majority of PC Gamers.
TWIMTBP games running like crap on AMD is long term issue.
AMD’s gaming evolved games running fine basically on anything is also long term fact.
It is actually very disturbing we got into age when studio have to confirm they did not intentionally cripple performance for certain HW. One could see the point there!
NVIDIA highly involved & investing in PC gaming is a long term fact.
AMD not doing enough and missing opportunities is a long term issue.
we only got into an age when a studio cares enough to get you guys off its back by pointing out the real issue at hand. if anything, its disturbing that you keep on blaming the wrong people.
AMD have very same program, they cooperating with most of big publishers houses and supports actually more games than nvidia. What you just didn’t understand at all is – we are not complaining about who invest what. AMD and nvidia both invest pretty as much as they can. Problem is that AMD uses open standards based SDK with accessible source code and nvidia doesn’t. which makes this unfair practice. Same as they de-optimizing practices for non-nvidia HW became so well known in years that company now have to confirm they DO NOT use it! Its actually very disturbing.
But you didnt understand that at all, didnt presented any facts, just faul blames and stupid coments, really
no, AMD/ATI does not support more titles and never have. I’m closely watching this stuff since GPU was invented, so don’t BS me. representative modern lists can be found in geforce website (393 games) vs amd website (29 games), where some are supported by both. this should only give you a clue.
thing is, NVIDIA is fast to optimize driver for most games before release regardless of collaboration, while AMD mostly do that for their own program, but are late to the party otherwise, as in the case of pCARS, and countless others.
by your comments its obvious you blame NVIDIA for anything, while buying this open source BS AMD keeps feeding you as an excuse for their incompetence. they just expect others to do their job. we’ve seen how that goes alright.
now please provide facts for de-optimizing practices for non-nvidia HW or GTFO.
Did you read the article? AMD got 20 keys for testing and preparing drivers. They didn’t do their job. And they didn’t care (last communication with developers in last year?). So as I see it, NVIDIA is cooperating with all developers in time, no after release (of course there are few exceptions). That’s why all games (gaming evolved or TWIMTBP) run good on their GPUs. AMD is carying mainly only about their titles (Gaming evolved) and preparing drivers for others (like TWIMTBP) mainly after release (there are exceptions too). That is difference approach. And it’s AMD’s fault. You should start live in reality instead of making up absurd conspiracy theories where NVIDIA is responsible for all evil in the world. Developers are not crippling intentionally performance for money. Only stupid people could do that on their product and only naive people can believe in something like this. Would you intentionally damage your own product because somebody paid you for that and risk your name and sales on future products?
“One could see the point there!”
Only big AMD fans.
You didnt understand my comment nor probably even read it, because you just simply not responding to it.
It’s the sad truth. I have a 7850 and driver release is slow. Remember I had to wait 4 months between 14.12 Omega driver and the 15.3 beta driver. Within those 4 months Dying Light, Resident Evil Revelations 2 were released and the performance of AMD gpus could have been better if they update drivers sooner.
Meanwhile Nvidia releases a new driver every month or at least before a major games gets released they will make sure to release a driver so it will run decently
Had lots of AMD cards in the past and was not pleased. They have to improve their drivers because even if you have a superior hardware compared to your competitor without drivers its inferior.
I think I was one of the first guys who Roy read on 6th may when I tweeted @AMDRadeon and he asked me to provide links or data regarding the poor performance on high-end AMD cards. Good to know they’re working on it. Better late than never.
One of the reasons Mantle(+Vulkan/DX12) was pushed so early by AMD. When it becomes closer to the metal, the Dev will be the one debugging, optimizing and fixing their own stuff. Both vendors spend a bucket load of money to either provide pre- support/staff during development or debugging after release in order to fix all the junk, courtesy of M$’s retarded DX/Win that stayed drooling in the corner for so many years without proper improvements. But hey, as long as Xbox kept selling… all good, bro.
“Dev will be the one debugging, optimizing and fixing their own stuff”
That’s true but they will still need cooperate with AMD and NVIDIA. If AMD approach wouldn’t change, all will be the same as now.
There was that interesting video that showed that even without proper DX12 intergration. PCARS running on Win 10 had a framerate advantage up to 20FPS.
Still, shame on both AMD and SMS not getting their house in order on this game.
good point. AFAICR, I have not seen any AMD logos in the game
Because AMD didn’t care about any cooperation? They got 20 keys for testing and preparing drivers and they didn’t do their job. Last communication between AMD and developers was in October 2014. So why should they put their logo in game?
wink wink!
Game runs perfect on a single GTX 680 2 GB Ultra 60+ FPS
Don’t lie idiot.You cant hold 60fps plus when its raining. lying internet trolls everywhere.Its only during bright sunny weather fps is good.Then again it doesn’t look good at all when its not raining.
Different tracks give different fps.Also time of the day also changes your fps.
the only issue I have when its raining on ultra is the fact that FPS goes down to 57 instead of 60, so… he’s not lying…
I always make a prove of it and record with shadowplay-> Silviu Iulian YT channel 🙂
and yes i can always keep over 60 FPS using Ultra(max out) settings and as AA SMAA OR FXAA !
with higher AA MSAA and DS it will drop to 55 or something with 30 PLAYERS!!!!
yeah show me.I already said holding 60 fps ultra under sunny condition is nothing.I want you to see holding 60fps under thunderstorm.Lying idiot.
I saw your video.Ofc yo u can hold 60fps while under sun.Now try thunderstorm.See your fps die.
Game looks average under sun.It only looks next gen when it rains.
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Somebody with AMD GPU its on period!
I have gtx 970 idiot.I get over 100fps during bright sunny condition.But during rain it dips to 50.
Great game. Good graphics, good mechanic and an almost perfect set of menus. Good AI and the best announcer ever (that woman has a loving voice).
But man… i don´t know if another racing games spoiled me, because the learning curve is almost inexistent here. In carreer mode, after placing at 3rd in my first track, the second track is just impossible to finish at the podium, since it aways start to rain AFTER i go out of the boxes. And only MY CAR is with slick tires. And i keep trying and trying and trying…
So, in medium dificult you start at hardcore races even while you are a complete rookie in this game.
The challenge there is a little bit excessive, don´t you think?
I hate when games do that – they make NPC’s governed by a different set of rules, as if they’re in another dimension that doesn’t react to physics the same as you.
Case in point – when you try to PIT maneuver another car and you bounce off of them and spit out, as if the other car was perfectly stuck to the road. But if they so much as touch your paint you go spinning off into the sunset.
I want a realistic car game where I can kill or destroy any other car on the track! Sometimes you need to make “accidents” happen in order to win 😉
Jay, this point you wrote occurred in other games, but not this one.
I remember that once i bounced off a rival at last lap and took his place. Another time, i kept a rival at second place and only in the last moment, when i did a curve too wide that he took my place. I was really happy until then.
The problem was really about that the level of difficult we see when starting career mode is expected at top TIERs (using supercars, after a loooong progress with slow cars), and not at the beginning. There are no unfair rivals, only there’s no gap for you to get familiar with the game at this specific mode. Before you start career mode, you must MASTER every single aspect of PCars. And this is frustrating.
Ok, ok.
After some hours playing, i have to admit. I WAS lazy and i WAS spoiled. Great, great game. Worth every penny spent 🙂
Duh, because they must have paid Slightly Mad Studios for that.
What the article is saying, is that Nvidia didn’t pay SMS to intentionally cripple the game for AMD cards.
I wouldn’t put it past Nvidia to scheme idiotic things like that against AMD. I’ve seen their tactics before and they can be as dirty, childish and obnoxious as possible just to to ‘win’ or get back at a competitor in spite. One might say “that’s just a part of business” but as that is true, to the lengths Nvidia goes? Not so much.
This game uses same engine as shift2.Shift 2 also run like absolute crap on amd hardware until they patched it.Anyways only thing good in this game is the rain effect.And as expected it kills fps like a boss.
they had three years to fix issues with AMD cards even in beta but they didn’t.
“look at the lesser hardware in the consoles to see how optimised we are”
it runs terrible on consoles with lower settings, how optimised really ? also dosen’t run that well on nvidia cards, game runs like crap on anything
The point is AMD did not make proper drivers yet for the game. Dev’s can only do so much. Expect AMD drivers on the 18th/19th of this month to make the game run better if not a sooner hotfix.
but it’s not good on nvidia either, performance is the same as build 700
I don’t know since I don’t own the game. Besides it seems like both camps are more focused on Witcher 3
i wanted to buy it but i pass. here is a benchmark, it’s on High, and performance is just bad even on 980. imagine it on ultra with more than 30 cars + with AA and stormy weather, it’s just rain. but yay witcher 3 is coming 😀 , i guess 12th may they start the preload
Well I just watched a club4ghz’s youtube his title is ”
Project CARS PC?4K DSR ?ULTRA ?50 CARS?i7 4770K GTX 780Ti” And his Avg is 50 fps it looks like. But I notice it drops down to 40fps…
Turn OFF the Grass 😉 I have 50-98FPS in Ultra/High/ and Med shadows, no AA in game but with SMAA in Reshade+SweetFX 2.0
Game runs OK but need further optimisation, it can run better.
And another screens -> Look on my Blog how to optimise Games by Yourself 😀 It really help lots of People. PhenomII x6 1100BE 3.86GHz + XFX 280X Black 1050/1550 1.175v 58 deg.cels
i don’t own the game and don’t have any plan to buy such a mess, it looks awful under the sun
Wait for Patches and New Drivers. Im on Modded CAT 15.200.1018 with VSR (last Win10 build working Great under 8.1 )
Here comparison Game with Radeon on Win10 and Win8.1 (30FPS more on Win10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzFe5OOHZko&feature=youtu.be
I’m glad I went with the 670 OC’d instead of the 680. I saved a lot of money for that mere 3fps difference in most games.
IF it would be from any other web I would take it but not this hilarious website.
Lol what? I’m playing the game at 5K downsampled with two 980s, all maxed out, runs like a dream, 60fps+ all the time.
lol, ok. try california highway maxed out with 26cars in thunderstorm
They mean Nvidia did not pay them to make the game only run good on Nvidia hardware. AMD just did not put in the time to make drivers for the game. Or put in the time for anything to do with performance for the game before it’s release.
Most probably because they make a marketing deal. NVIDIA advertise Project cars and then developers advertise them. It could be without any money.
AMD sucks…NVIDIA FTW
It’s another downgraded fiasco, it the game doesn’t even seem to have ambient occlusion, in 2015? wtf? It doesn’t look too bad at night or with heavy bad weather, but during day time… it really doesn’t seem to have AO, or any decent post processing and fx. But maybe I’m missing something.
yes.It looks really bland during day. Grid 2 looked much better than this during day time. Screenshot p*rn man. People get spoiled by it. Wait for massive surprises when witcher 3 comes out. Another game spoiled by screenshots p*rn.
Indeed… even need for speed hot pursuit(3 year old?) has better graphics fx and lighting, I sh*t you not…
yes.It looks really bland during day.Grid 2 looked much better than this during day time.Screenshots man.People get spoiled by it.Wait for massive surprises when witcher 3 comes out.Another game spoiled by screenshots.
Nvidia’s driver has an HBAO+ profile for Project CARS, turn it on in control panel.
Sorry how to I do that? my nvidia control panel only has 3 options for AO, deactivated, performance or quality. How do I turn on an HBAO+ profile?
the AO option in nvidia control panel IS HBAO+ . if you turn it on globally (performance/quality) it only affects enabled / supported games, which pCARS is one of them. you can also go to the pCARS profile via “program settings” tab and enable it there. also there are many unsupported games which their profiles can be manually tweaked to successfully enable HBAO+, see here: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=387114
Yea and im Santa Claus. We know AMD are a bunch of incompetent fktards (drivers wise) with that Roy guy being the fktard king, but saying Nvidia didnt paid you a penny is hilarious really lol!
The AMD cards out now have been out for years. It’s bull to expect them to fix your broken game on the driver side when you knew exactly what you were working with and had years to sort out your own issues.
Dumb on both sides. SMS should have been at AMD about the drivers and AMD should have been ready instead of spending all their time on the GTA V drivers.
If this Sh*tshow repeats itself for The Witcher 3 I’m switching to Team Green no matter how good the price/power the R390X is.
Grid Autosport is awesome.
Mortal Kombat and GTA V run AMAZINGLY well. Every game w/Nvidia logos run like garbage. That’s why I get those games for free. Not paying for shady practices.
Tell AMD to get off their a*s then and FIX THEIR DRIVERS
these problems were existed since a year after first beta, so i’m not sure they fix them with patches
Read here -> http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2430693
Game is filled up with nvidia logos and they dont even ask money for it, What an idiots. LOL
The Nvidia logo everywhere is one of the first things we notice in PCars XD
About performance, i can say i´m playing butter smooth in my Phenom 1090T, GTX580 DCU OCed to the limit that can be reached with air cool solution.
Textures at max, car and reflexions at Ultra, Aniso 4X,MSAA, no FXAA, no SMAA. Everything else on medium. So yes, i´m proud of my 3 years old rig. And enjoying an incredibly good game. And surely, an as great or even better experience will come to ATI users at the next driver update, so what´s the point here?
Thanks for the info mate, I already put the quality AO option, but during the day, the game still looks bad to me with everything on ultra, I guess its just the lighting and the fx.
The beta release run better on AMD, the final release get Nvidia announce and run trash on AMD. For sure is the drive.