As we had already predicted, more and more publishers are starting using the Denuvo anti-tamper solution. Ubisoft has revealed – via the game’s EULA – that Far Cry: Primal will be protected by the Denuvo anti-tamper tech, while Rise of the Tomb Raider was also spotted on Denuvo’s website.
Going into more details, Far Cry: Primal’s EULA clearly states that the game uses Denuvo:
“THE PRODUCT IS PROTECTED BY DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE (“DRM SOFTWARE”) AND DENUVO ANTI-TAMPER PROTECTION TECHNOLOGY”
What’s really interesting here is that according to this EULA, some files of the Denuvo anti-tamper tech may remain on the PC even after the game’s uninstalled.
“CERTAIN FILES OF THE ANTI-TAMPER TECHNOLOGY MAY REMAIN EVEN AFTER THE PRODUCT IS UNINSTALLED FROM YOUR COMPUTER. “
Regarding Rise of the Tomb Raider, its header image was spotted on Codefusion’s tech support site. This domain is registered to Denuvo’s, Reinhard Blaukovitsch , in Salzburg, where Denuvo has its headquarters. Given also the fact that Square Enix’s latest title, Just Cause 3, used Denuvo, it’s safe to say that Rise of the Tomb Raider will also use it.
Rumour also has it that The Division will be also using the Denuvo anti-tamper tech, however its EULA does not reveal such a thing at this point.
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Denuvo or Always Online, pick your preferred poison. I would go with Denuvo.
poison is still a poison and i just don’t trust trust in fishy renamed companies (who created one of the worst DRMs of its time before rename to denuvo) and strange protections with non-transparent creepy methods (hw-locking, unknown prtoection files remaining after uninstall, or even licence offline expirations….i wouldn’t be even surprised if there was
key-logger or some shit like this) ….
i would rather buy game on gog for 60bucks than a single denuvo game for 5bucks
Also “uncrackable” protection with market monooly is bad for everyone
get used to it.Every AAA game coming in 2016 will be using denuvo.
[citation needed]
are you one of their employees?lol
Well, then I guess I’ll finally catch up with my backlog, there’s no way I’m supporting those companies.
If you want to play the games I bet you will, people can talk the talk but not walk the walk as they say.
I talk the talk and I walk the walk as well. I wish other consumers/gamers would see things more clear and stop supporting every bullshit greedy corporations throw in our faces instead of worrying if they can play games. I game since 1989, am a collector as well but I stopped supporting many companies and collecting because the industry is falling deeper and deeper into oblivion by those clowns and we keep supporting it. Nice job we are doing.
The way things are going in the future we will all end up with an OS on our PCs always online giving you access by reading your social security number or whatever only if you don’t owe money to individuals or the state and video games with time access. Play as long as you pay! Your 60 minutes ended pay more if you want to continue!
that’s exactly what microsoft is dreaming of! lol
hahaha I bet they are!! 😛
Says you supporting Intel ,Windows, they’re not greedy corps right? LOL
You replied just for the heck of it eh? How exactly are you comparing Intel for example which I own a brilliant CPU i7 4790k that has proven a beast until now and every time I buy an Intel CPU to tell you the truth with companies like Ubisoft or EA that milk us and play us for fools laughing right in our faces with broken games, microtransactions, always online, DRM, DLCs and the list goes on. Are you serious now man? I have Win 7 installed and its really hard for me because I do not plan to upgrade on Win 10 at least for now. Going to see how things turn up till July.. Microsoft is a company that I do not favor at all but Win 7 they’ve been respectful.. Every corporation wants to make as much earnings as the can that is called capitalism or greed, pretty much the same, but even capitalism and their corporate greed should have some boundaries. All these companies can go and make their money but the owe in return to care and respect for the individuals that pay them in order to live their fancy lives. Simple as that.
You completely missed the point, it’s not about how good the product is, it’s about the monopoly that the company hold ,you’re supporting that, it’s not even about capitalism.
Hmm are you sure I miss the point? You complain about a monopoly that delivers to the customer! It IS about how good the product is. And its not a monopoly there is AMD to the PC realm as well. Then there is Samsung.. So why should I complain? Maybe you should focus on issues that demand action. I already replied in my previous comment about what demands action!
Some of us acually have principles, I’m sorry you don’t.
I use Linux so yes I do, if Microsoft disappeared tomorrow I’d be happy using Linux and I have been for over 13 years, at points for years exclusively when there was no Steam on Linux.
The point was that people say they won’t buy these games for “moral” reasons but they do. The whole COD back in the day when people said they would boycott it on PC didn’t work ,loads of people who claimed to brought it on Steam.
I’m glad it’s not our case.
Popular talk but can’t do it practise, you say you won’t support such companies but support other just as bad companies in the mean time, because you have to game on Windows. Where are you morals now?
Why do you say I’ll support other “just as bad companies”?”
Microsoft are vastly worse and they actually have a monopoly and been convicted of being anti-consumer by the U.S government and the EU.
So far I’ve only given 15€ to Microsoft for W8 back in the day, and most people don’t even pay that for Windows, how am I supporting them?
You’re not taking the moral ground by saying that.
Fallout 4 didnt so lets see if doom and dishonored joins in.
At this point I must have well over ten games with this DRM and all have ran flawlessly at launch except Batman so I am used to it as I like supporting PC gaming…although I bought Batman AK for peanuts and it also came with the £32 season pass LOL
Agreed but drm is still poison.
+1. it is!
not on consoles!
Consoles are physical DRM themselves already.
And that particular choice comes with the additional poisons of significantly worse performance, lower resolutions, inability to play with any input device you desire… I doubt anyone here would choose for that instead.
36 million sold son
You must be dreaming if you believe consoles don’t have DRM, why do you think every publisher has to pay Sony , Microsoft and Nintendo expensive license fees?. Answer, because those 3 companies made and sold a DRM box which is a platform to sell games that are hard to pirate.
Console gamers always get the worst of it, so what if Securo ROM games no longer work, we are talking about a few old games that are at least a decade old and even then Microsoft ensured there was a way to still play games before killing securom DRM. So how many decade ++ old games work well on consoles?.
I have no idea why you keep typing “Not on consoles” when consoles are closed up tighter than a lesbian Nun’s….cu*t, can you play 30 years worth of gaming history for free on consoles?. What about mods?.
I am a paying customer and have had no bad issues with this DRM at all, I LOVE gaming on PC and have bought over 700 games on Steam, but when DRM becomes an issue for ME I will give actual evidence instead of conspiracy theories….
Too be fair, consoles can’t play older games because of different architectures and backward compatibility not because of DRM issues.
It’s also because of DRM issues, the reason why consoles cannot play any of the 100’s of emulators is because they are a controlled box
Well they’re emulating older games now, PS4 can play PS2 games, XB1 can play XB360 games, you simply can’t just play older games made for a different architecture without emulation.
That’s not my point, both platforms are locked boxes full of DRM. They only allow what’s in their best interests and not the gamer. It’s a locked box that is unable to do hundreds of things that an APU and AMD GPU could do in a PC.
For example you can only use their online store, you can’t choose other rival online stores, Sony didn’t even allow EA’s game rental platform on PS4 because they want to force their own overpriced rental service.
People who cry about Denuvo DRM are nuts in my opinion as it hasn’t impaired any game that I own and I wouldn’t be giving them an easy time if I felt they had wasted my money. I can prove I own many Denuvo games by showing my library, they all work fine and if it stops piracy which means higher PC sales then that’s a good thing for PC gaming really/
what has to do the fact that devs are paying sony to publish games on THEIR platform with DRM? do you even know what DRM is? as far as i’m concerned far cry primal is $60 on steam and $60 on pc, so what did you just say earlier? get out of here mentally challenged kid
tomb raider one is just rumour
oh really?
You are up for a shock then.
not really never seen a proper confirmation of it using it – and dont really care about the game at this point (would have waited for content complete version anyway)
well yeah, but why would they place its image on their denuvo site for no reason, so it’s pretty solid as far as rumors go 😀
well there is denuvo support page for Anno 2205 which doesnt use denuvo in normal build , and this wasnt even support page , just random picture on random part of website which is hosted on Cloud providers site – so anyone could do that to troll pirate forums and reddit
F for pirates
😀
Pirates will get what they want eventually. This is far worse for legitimate players.
Pirates are going to have on later date the final version of the game with all updates and DLC’s… this is what is going to happen they are going to have a fully functional product with 0 DRM. And things only becomes worse for day one legitimate Gamers and collectors.
looks like john is watching the crackstatus reddit.ahhaha
I was the first guy who posted there about the EULA of farcry primal.
this is nonsense why do you have to waste more money and time on useless DRMs when you can use these money and time to improve your product for PC?If you treated pc gamers like human beigns and not calling the 90% of pc gamers are pirates then maybe they will buy your reskinned products
ubisoft truly believes piracy is the reason their games dont sell, now we will now for certain.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I hope you are totally kidding…..! HAHAHAHAH…..
I have read your posts quite often and i cant get if you are trolling, if you are serious or stupid. You never actually state your views with longer than one line posts. So i dont know what you mean by that, but ubisoft does believe the reason their game dont sell is piracy, now we will know for certain since the cant use that argument.
regardless of what the company thinks the root word find believe is lie. But to answer your question, yeah, I do believe who Ubisoft is full of crap.
now are you just on here attempting to do damage control for this company? Because as a consumer you should know better that it’s a flat out lie.
And, please, it’s not nice to call names over the Internet. I didn’t insult anyone….
And to be honest I say most things in response to the article and or someone. Trolling good sir just goes along with your name…, but keep on keepin’ on with whatever it is you do.
This type of DRM likely won’t last long. It’s very expensive. Based on the Steam sales of Just Cause 3, which has yet to be cracked, it isn’t selling any better than when piracy was real.
The likely reality of piracy is, yes some people would not pay for the game, but a near equal number of gamers would not buy until they pirate the game. For some people it’s finding out how the game runs on their machine, for others it may be more about making sure the game is worth their money.
Personally I don’t mind any DRM as long as I can play a game I purchased without the need for a server authentication. I do think that their money is better spent ensuring they make a quality product.
THE DRM iwill last as long as it keeps protecting the games. JC3 would had sold way less than it sold now if it was cracked at day one. Many people who planned to pirate it bought it from what i read on some pirate forums.
“JC3 would had sold way less than it sold now if it was cracked at day one.” Bullsh*t. That’s the same propaganda bullsh*t the Industry’s been screaming about for a decade now, & it’s ridiculous.
Just Cause 3 would have sold much the same without Denuvo. All Denuvo did is “offset” (or at least, try to) the “This Sh*t’s Broken? F*ck That” lost sales with an at best a minor sales spike from the “I Usually Download Before I Buy” crowd skipping the “Free Demo” phase because they were dumb enough to place even an ounce of faith in Avalanche/Square Enix to make a good Launch product.
The simple fact that Just Cause 3 launched in an unplayable state automatically ensures Sales would be lower than otherwise (regardless of Pirate Download availability) since a lot of people (for example, me!) decided they’d rather go buy Mad Max instead once the first reviews revealing how badly Avalanche royally violated their Cash Cow got out. Same with Arkham Knight PC. Denuvo did jack sh*t for BAK PC sales-wise.
TL;DR – Day 1 Pirate Download availability becomes irrelevant when the Game itself launches completely broken.
JC3 got hacked already but wont release it now
man, define expensive, a few hundrend bucks is nothing compared to 50 milion average development cost. Let me remind you city interactive was the first to use it. I agree piracy barelly makes a dent.
This is actually good! A Far Cry game named Primal set in the stoneage? Almost like a Rambo film! without machineguns! So who cares about this boring game? And NOBODY and I mean NOBODY should never play RISE OF EVIL! Crazy humorless British woman that wants to kill all men on earth, nope I dont think so and neither did the XBOX1 gamers think that way!
I want to play it.
Which one? Far Cry without guns? or Feminazi killing machine?
Both, especially Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Quit trolling, dont push the sjw narrative bs.
Trolling huh? So RISE of EVIL is NOT the ultimate trolling game? Where you from kid and how young and inmature are you?
You are hopeless…
No, Im fair.
Sure.. You and Judge Dredd..
I hope john bans you again.
I want to play Tomb Raider, enjoyed the last one.
Why? She only killed men.
I mentioned why in my previous reply. I dont care if she only kills men.
Sexist pig.
Sexist how? She could be shooting all men or all women and it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference to me.
Maybe it should have zombies to kill in it too so that I am not labelled a zombist pig, of course there would have to be female zombies too so im not labelled a sexist-zombist pig …oh and a zombie of every ethnicity so im not a racist-sexist-zombist pig… You see how stupid this can get?
Sorry but I wont dislike a game just because you think it hasnt got enough girls in it, especially one where the main protagonist is female and one of the main villains (Ana) is also female.
Exactly. Nothing better than a game where a woman kills men. What’s not to like?
😉
On a slightly more reasonable note: what I love about Tomb Raider games is not the killing, but the exploring and tomb raiding.
Oh, and Lara killed a lot more besides men in the last Tomb Raider: on the top of my head: deer, rabbits, birds and living statues.
Woman is crazy. Stay away from these insane women.
I wish the last one had some kind of tomb raiding, but puzzles were made for 5 years old girls, and most of the time you were shooting bad crazy russians.
Underworld was so much better. Shame it didn’t sell well (the reason why they rebooted the franchise).
TR reboot is as generic as you can get now, that’s why it sells well, but you see even Square Enix wanted 8 million sales, that’s how dumb down you need to make a game for it to sell well.
if you had watched more carefully, you would’ve seen the penis all these animals and statues were carrying.
& she wants more including you 😉
She only killed polygons.
Do we see much more female looking polygons soon you think?
At it again I see.
*sigh*
no one cares. You’re making an issue out of a non-issue.
The VAST MAJORITY of violent games always have you killing mostly men. Since when was that ever a problem ? It’s just a result of the fact that it makes sense for most groups of armed forces to be made up predominantly of men.
EDIT: Yeah, you’re just trolling aren’t you. Well, you successfully wasted my time, I’ll give you that.
it doesn’t effect me , i’m not a pirate
oh yeah ? that’s what exactly happened to the legit buyers. and fyi, you can’t run games with any of these drms “below” anymore unless you crack them first.
en….wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM#Controversies
en….wikipedia.org/wiki/StarForce#Controversy
talking about 10 years old games ?? oh you make so much sense mr.pirate
It means you won’t be able to play these current games 5-10 years from now. Only a shill or console peasant would pretend that that’s not a problem.
yeah i wouldn’t wanna play a 10 year old game again
i still play many of those, age of empires 2 or red alert etc… a good game don’t have an expiration date, 10 years is nothing.
Translation: Ten years ago you didn’t play games, or you played only on console.
those 10 years old games cost 60$ each for the consumer and of course you don’t get it cuz you are a console gamer. this is not how it’s work on PC, there is something that called backward compatibility which is one of the best features of PC Gaming, but with these s**ty DRMs it’s useless. btw, not a pirate but being a pirate is way way better than being Denuvo’s b*tch.
Your SecuROM games won’t work with Windows 10 so yes it does affect legit gamers.
Oh give over , Microsoft ensured there was a way to transfer your decades old SecuROM games before banning the DRM from W10. I mean your excuse that the paying customer is screwed all because some decades old PC games required you to do something before Securom was banned is a bit far fetched really.
I mean console gamers have this issue with ALL games eventually, not only that but they pay hundreds of pounds for racing wheels and fight sticks that only last one console generation.
It’s hardly the end of the world. The newest most interesting game that fell victim of the dreaded SecuROM scandal was Crysis , not only was it old and I was done with it but I ensured I got it fixed. All you people acting like upgrading to newer versions of Windows haven’t taken out more games in one go than this
You have clearly missed the point, it’s what ‘can’ happen and has happened. Not saying it’s the end of the world, but you seem to be under the illusion that DRM can’t bite you.
No I understand that it can bite you , it’s just that the chances that this DRM somehow becomes illegal to Microsoft in the near future and we lose all our games is very unlikely to happen. I mean I am sure all the world’s big and small publishers have done their homework on Denuvo before using it which means they will have spoken with Microsoft as I am sure Denuvo has as well.
SecuROM hadn’t been used for years before Microsoft banned it and they did let us transfer our games. Now that we buy ALL our games via an online portal either Steam , Uplay , Origin etc we are much safer from DRM company going out of business and stopping our games from working as it’s not much easier to patch.
Put it this way, I buy all my games and now own many games Denuvo enforces yet I don’t have a single complaint as of yet despite spending money and demanding 60fps from my titles which is why I am groaning a little at all the complaints in here
The point is it shows what can happen and potential problems.
Yes but it’s very unlikely to happen for the reasons I said above, you will more than likely have more games lost when upgrading from Windows 10 to 11 or 12 than anything lost by Denuvo in distant future. Also just over a decade ago when SecuROM was kicking about there was no online gaming portals like Steam , Uplay , Origin etc so no way to easily identify if a customer has bought a game with DRM that now needs removed so.
Because it happens on consoles it’s okay if it also happens on PC? You’re walking on shill ice there, buddy.
You do have a point that previous Windows versions have made old games unplayable but that’s not an excuse either, that’s bad enough.
I am not walking on shill ice here at all, I am simply saying that most of the complaints here are going way overboard because when we update to future versions of Windows there will be more decade old games with issues than the amount of issues this Denuvo will cause yet people accept that because it’s all part of progress yet here are some people crying their eyes out over what “could” happen a decade or so from now. Also usually when old games become useless on modern operating systems we have free emulators to fix the issue. The fact of the matter is the console guys get screwed all over the place yet none of them are in threads crying their eyes out because they cannot pirate games. So no shilling, just pointing out the reason why there’s so many tears and it’s not because of issues that “could” happen decades from now…
“they cannot pirate games”
Yes, they can. There is piracy on consoles and for big hit games it’s sometimes bigger on consoles than on PC.
The piracy narrative isn’t necessary on consoles because unlike PC consoles come with DRM pre-installed.
Wake up
It’s exactly the other way. It only affects legit buyers, not pirates.
played lots of games with this protection and they ran 100% fine
I have played lots of games with this as well and they all have ran flawlessly and if anyone thinks I am lying then I can show them my Steam Page. I am a cynical person so I believe the “pirates” are out in full force trying to scare legitimate buyers away from these DRM games so they won’t sell well either hoping to spite the publishers or turn them away from the DRM which won’t work as many people who buy games will already have at least 2 in their library that use the DRM and work flawlessly.
Remember when the conspiracy theories went up about how this DRM killed hard drives only for many sites to test it and confirm it was bullspit?
someone should start catching those pirates and execute them , they are the reason many devs went out of business
There has always been pirates, however in the 90’s before the internet grew so much and allowed us to torrent games the PC was always the lead platform for many big titles . There was millions of PC only titles and if the consoles got ports it was years later once the console hardware had caught up a little and even then said ports were far, far inferior to the original PC versions with many things including whole levels or maps gutted from the console versions. With so many PC’s on the market developers should be making PC the lead platform for everything but of course that doesn’t happen and it’s all because of pirates.
PC is not the lead platform in multiplatform development because
1) PC is always stronger than console. Any PC from 2012 and many from before are stronger than the current consoles. You have to target the weakest link, you can’t implement features like physics / high number of enemies that won’t work on consoles as a multiplat dev, so you’re mostly worrying about the console version from a technical standpoint. PC exclusive features must necessarily be kept superficial.
2) Playing on a controller is harder so the gameplay has to be balanced around analog stick aiming and few buttons. This is why devs often play their own games with a controller. They know console is the limiting factor so that’s what they are concerned with.
PC has always had more capable hardware than consoles, back in the early to mid 90’s when you could,’t pirate games via high bandwidth internet the PC was always the lead platform, even when consoles had controller that didn’t even use analog sticks, so you are wrong there.
The PC was the lead platform for many, many games and usually the consoles had lots of things or even entire levels gutted because their hardware couldn’t handle it.
That no longer happens and it’s because the two consoles combined have similar capabilities and more units of the console versions are sold.
There’s no two ways about it, look at games like Doom and how the console versions up were all a complete insult, until PS1 version. Nowadays if a developer wanted to make an ambitious game like that then they would hold off until a new console gen launched. Look what happened with Witcher3. There’s no two ways about it, if all the people who pirated games week in and week out were forced to buy them even at a heavily reduced price then PC would be the lead platform and we would have got physically based rendering in all those Directx11 games on PC in the last 3 to 4 years of last console gen when the consoles were stuck on DX9.
I don’t know why anyone would even attempt to argue PC gaming wouldn’t be even better if all the people who can afford their games bought them instead of pirating
“when you could,’t pirate games via high bandwidth internet”
Games were <700 MB back then to fit on a CD. Plenty of people were able to download games in a reasonable timeframe in the late 90s and they did.
"PC was always the lead platform, even when consoles had controller that didn't even use analog sticks"
Then why were the Tomb Raider games designed around a digipad?
"look at games like Doom and how the console versions up were all a complete insult, until PS1 version"
Any exceptions you might try to name, such as Doom and Half Life, will be games that were made for PC first and ported to consoles later. These games are not multiplats. Multiplat is when a game is made for several platforms at once.
"if a developer wanted to make an ambitious game like that then they would hold off until a new console gen launched. Look what happened with Witcher3."
Witcher 3 would have been possible on last-gen consoles, compare it to GTA 5. They didn't wait, game development just takes a long time.
"if all the people who pirated games … were forced to buy them"
This is the biggest lie, the monomyth of the anti-piracy narrative. You can't force people to spend money by denying them something free. You can't equate a willingness to download something for free with a willingness to spend money. A fifth grader should see through this lie.
Publishers want to gather as much information on their paying customers (not pirates!) as possible and they use the fallacy that pirated copies equal "lost sales" as an excuse to install ridiculous spyware on your computer. "DRM" is not about piracy or pirates, it's about spying on YOU, the paying customer.
"…then PC would be the lead platform"
No, a thousand times no. It wouldn't change a thing. The lead platform is always the lowest common denominator. It's about hardware limitations, both in terms of performance and of input. It's hard to port down, easy to port up. That's the whole formula.
If consoles were a smaller fraction of the market we would simply see fewer multiplats as fewer devs would bother with consoles. And that's what we had in the 90s, most games were only on PC. Multiplats were rare.
Exactly, you can see the bútthurt pirates right here. I hope Denuvo will continue to improve to the “uncrackable” point.
I would be the first person in here complaining and listing all the issues I have had while using games that are protected by Denuvo as I have spent money on them yet not only do I not have a single complaint but likely own games protected by Denuvo and not even realised.
I buy games for PC because I want to support PC gaming and to be honest if we didn’t buy games then we wouldn’t have any reason to buy nice PC hardware, all the pirates and people with no money should be reminded that a console cycle lasts 8 years and in that time even a £60 GPU will run circles around both consoles combined, however if we do not buy games then even the future entry level GPU’s won’t be worth buying as developers won’t go out of their way to enhance games for PC.
Who cares? Nobody would never pirate these two lacklusters anyway!
it will be as Batman,mad max,dragon age,Metal gear solid V,Battlefield Hardline(this one was a TRAP)….because these games are AAA titles like Assassin Creed,call of duty,Need for speed,Prince of persia,Dirt,etc.AAA titles,not every title mentioned FUN,GOOD,PERFECT…but you understand the category,GAMES with a little history in their back(so yeah Far Cry and Rise of Tomb Raider)remember FAR CRY 1 in 2003 and Tomb raider in 1996 for Sega,PocketPC etc.It will be cracked….later maybe best case scenario after 2 months.anyway its time for games to be buyed on PC aswell(pirates).now let’s see what is more affordable price of an PS4+games or an PC+GAMES+UPGRADES every 2 years(REQUIREMENTS higher and higher,in 2014 a 2GB video card was TOP NOTCH,2015 3GB is at least for some games requirement,2016 nvidia 970 has 4 GB and that video card is on REQUIREMENTS for 1080p 60fps….)imagine the requirements with new CPU and PASCAL videocards….DX12,Windows 10,forced by Microsoft in couple of years.
STEAM is WORST place to buy a key, over priced! CDKEYS dot com for 20-40 euros new AAA games. Sucks to be an African when you read about salaries in Africa.
so the game will be unplayable when microsoft decides to ban danuvo files from windows? NICE! MORE TIME-LIMITED GAMES!
not on consoles
Oh yes, consoles are home of free and open source software…just try to install on your Xbox anything that doesn’t come through Microsoft’s approval process.
FCK these two lackluster games! One is about a feminazi killer and the other is set in the stone age!
get r@kt m8 :)))
Yup looking forward to both of them. Your pathetic propaganda isn’t going to change anyone’s mind from playing these video games but good luck trying to 😛
Knock yourself the FCK out! I aint trying to stop you fool!
feminazi killer? jeez man, you’re seeing feminists in every corner, the world isn’t your problem, YOU are.
you’ve got issues if you immediately assume tumblr is going to get you
Then don’t play them, The choice is yours.
Not sure how you got that special invitation to play those “unreleased” games, To call them lacklustre when they are not even out.
When they come out and you play them then by all means, Go for it and blast the crap out of them if they are poor games.
Um RotTR came out in Nov of last year
Not on PC it isn’t! Jan 29th is release date
Why would they ban them? They provide no security issue
And if there is a security issue like SecuROM with Windows 10 you’re screwed.
Securom either, until they found it. like flash. or java. or Lenovo laptops. or sony rootkits, or anything that tampers with the OS.
Why would Microsoft ban Danuvo files?
because it happened in the past, like StarForce and SecuROM
it caused security risk in the OS
Basically Microsoft banned really old , decrepit DRM software because they were tied to an operating system that was no longer being supported with security updates from Microsoft. You know how everyone will tell you that an operating system that’s so old that four new operating systems have been launched in since then aren’t safe as Microsoft no longer supports it?. Well that’s what happened to the old DRM. I had one boxed game that used SecuROM and that was Crysis but I got it sorted out before upgrading to Windows 10.
Also in years gone by we never had Steam, Uplay , Origin etc so it was more of a hassle confirming you bought a game when the DRM was killed, however now that we all buy our games digitally via an online portal we shouldn’t need to do anything even if an old DRM software is kiiled, you know, like when Games for Windows Live was killed yet everyone carried on playing those games on Steam regardless.
Because he’s a moronic MORON like you.
Great. F*cking great. I won’t be able to play it when microsoft decides that? wtf
like its going to be the best game ever lol repetitive and boring
I bet I easily could get a Steam key for this feminazi killing game for free if I asked for it in exchange for an epic youtube letsplay!
i have game that uses denuvo and it didn’t cause me any problems. kind of great moves. tired of d!ck pirate friend and brag about how bad games were when he didnt even pay for the games.
As far as i’m concern the gaming industri is dishones,countless times did they show a trailer and the game quality wasn’t the same as in the trailer,they released broken games ,games that work awful with the recomended specs and so on…so if they get away with it pirates shouldn’t right? i’m really looking forward when denuvo is cracked and behind us
Why should you suffer for your friend’s mistakes ?
It affects performance, which means that the game would be running better without it.
I hope these measures continue to work so people can stop b!tching about “PC games don’t sell because of piracy” nonsense.
they will fond different excuse
Even with the massive growth of Steam, where games can’t be pirated and where a large contingent of PC gamers are, people still use the piracy excuse.
Because there is still lots of piracy and it is bad for PC gaming.
Encrypting the exe is way worse.
Don’t defend them.
Who should I defend? Entitled childish thieves who think they have right to steal games for free? What is wrong with exe encryption? It is part of product, don’t like it? Don’t buy it. Simple.
So Ubisoft games are gonna have 3 DRMs from now on? STEAM, UPLAY and Denuvo?
thats amazing!!! I cant for that many DRMs in my games
if you buy from uplay store, you dont actually have to have steam.
but if you buy from steam you need uplay, at least in certain titles.
far cry 3 blood dragon is hilarious: I start Uplay, tell it to download blood dragon, it then starts steam, downloads it. then I hit play, and it starts uplay, then download something more and then the game starts. YEY!
Yeah that has the weirdest kind of DRM ever.
If you buy uplay drm games on Steam you don’t need to have Steam opened to launch the game so it’s not really DRM
No one should ever buy a game with crap like this!
They deserve to be pirated for that alone.
Denuvo will be crackt fully, groups are allready hard at work and much of the source code are now leaked 😀
So F*CK you to those companys that uses it, and wait for the game to be cracked!
Only support devs like CD Project Red, who are making games without this SH*T.
I can safely say that many like me wont touch this POS!!
AMEN!!
Soo.. are you saying, that if you make something, anything, if it’s subpar compared to other similar products, people should not pay for it, just steal it from you? Because why would they give money to you, who worked hard on that piece of crap?
If it’s worth buying people will buy it. You think people who like a certain genre won’t buy the game if it’s second or third best of the year? Loads of technically mediocre games have huge fan bases.
And if your game is the WORST in its class then what is your argument for it selling? Why do developers and especially publishers feel “entitled” to sell bad games?
>Only support devs like CD Project Red, who are making games without this SH*T.
Funny.
Where did you heard that?
Have my sources mate 😉
Well CDPR changed their mind, TW2 did come out with DRM, it had very long loading times with the media version. IF you play TW2 now ,you have to download a massive patch for it to even work and sometimes you can still get issues with it asking for the cd. Remember CDPR were a supporter of DRM, they just changed their stance on it and lucky for us they did.
Amen
does farcry even need denuvo ? lol, instead of paying for denuvo licence they could work on the game so it won’t suck. but funny how ubisoft is the last one who is using denuvo cuz 10 years ago they were the first and F**ked many of their customers.
either way nothing of a value was lost, last ubi game that i bought was watchdogs and nothing more, already have a free TR “it’s not even in top 10 sellers on steam 4days before launch” which not gonna play, and last warner game which is stuck in my library is BAK again didn’t paid for it. and again, none of these denuvo anti-consumer anti temper bulls**t didn’t help any of those games to sell better, last year’s witcher 3 “a drm free title” sold more than any of those denuvo crap combined.
Does this mean PC game sales will go up? LOL, I think they’re dreaming.
in their mind yes i guess. ubisoft did all of this before but they failed and sales went down even more, they forced to remove some of their DRM crap but now they are going the exact same path.
someone is butthurt.
yeah, your peasant mom.
More like Udon’tplay, Ubisoft is became much worse than EA for me.
they are all the same, dont choose, just shoot
ubisoft loves to blame everyone but themselves, yet they continue making cookie cutter games!
The game will be pirated no matter if it sucks or not… The game is more likely to be pirated if it has a high price..
then using a drm such as this won’t help it to sell more. a better world wide service can make it better specially for countries that can’t access games with their regional currency.
Yes, it will help. Many pirates who have the money now have to pay. if Denuvo is not making any issues, I don’t understand why you are against it. Only if you are pirate and scared of losing free access to games.
You’re replying to every comment so you know, stop ignoring the important problems that have been mentioned and wake up.
You should wake up, thief. Only pirates are talking about issues. The legitimate gamers have none. Denuvo does not cause performance problems.
“Denuvo does not cause performance problems”
prove it or shut your holes forever.
Prove that it causes anything or shut the f**k up forever. I’m not the one who brought that claim.
this is what you said:
“Denuvo does not cause performance problems”
you are the one who brought that up, i didn’t said anything about performance at all. now you better shut the f**k up denuvo.
Maybe the game was just unoptimized. You know it happens.
just cause has performance issues, actually really bad, it has memory leak issue just like BAK which cause the game to stutter after a few minutes of playing and frame rate is not good. but again i’m not saying it caused by denuvo and no one can say it won’t cause issues until someone remove Denuvo completely and test it with and without it. until that they no one can prove anything.
“After all, both Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain and Mad Max run ridiculously amazing and they are protected by Denuvo.”
This proves a lot.
Batman AK and Lords of the Fallen and Just Cause 3 all runs like crap. and none of them are empty deserts. this proves more.
AK was cracked and still ran bad as always. Till they patched it. Nice proof, then. If it was about DRM, then every game with DRM would have issues.
Just because you’re unaffected doesn’t mean there is no issue. It’s like a bug, some people get it, some people don’t, some people don’t like the idea of their software being monitored on their computer and if something goes wrong, it’s not their fault.
“AK was cracked and still ran bad”
because denuvo was there, even with the cracked version it was there. they didn’t removed it at all, they just emulated it.
BAK cracked version = denuvo in the background.
BAK legit version = denuvo in the background.
as i said before, until the day someone remove denuvo completely, no one can say it affect the performance or not.
Lol so Denuvo even stays with cracked games? That’s impressive achievement. It keeps getting better.
achievement ? not really, even steam cracked games are using emulator, that means steam drm is still in the background.
We could probably test this with the earlier Denuvo games that were cracked by comparing against the originals. I don’t have any, but someone could…
actually we can’t, cuz those cracked one are still using denuvo they just emulate it.
Just read more about that and you’re right. We have no real way of knowing at this point then.
Denuvo is a process on its own, of course it uses CPU an RAM. The only real way of knowing it is either be a programmer, or talk with a programmer.
I am a programmer, just didn’t do my research on Denuvo beforehand. Either way, even if it used CPU and RAM it might so very insignificant and fast and because it’s a process on it’s own, it won’t really affect the game performance, but that’s not something I can say for sure as I’m not the one that developed that or ever checked that process in action.
It depends on the way they actually embedded the code against the game, but one thing is for sure now, I don’t like garbage to be left behind after any app uninstall and that is a plague that been affecting windows since the stone age.
Well, maybe you should make a research, if you’re interested. Lots of people on various forums wrote what this thing does with CPU and RAM with proofs. I don’t think you can call it as optimized.
I’d say the biggest problem here is not the garbage. The biggest problem is that Denuvo will be cracked, abandoned and banned from Windows eventually, just like SecuROM, causing a lot of troubles for people who want to play a game that uses Denuvo, which means developers will probably have to do a monkey job by removing it from games, just like GFWL.
I tested Arkham Knight when it was released. I Bought it outright Without testing so that’s a first. I always always download first because us Pc Gamers have gotten the shaft too many damn times. Anyways i got tired of waiting for arkham knight to be cracked so i just bought it right away and downloaded the latest patches and the game ran like utter garbage. Then someone cracked the game i downloaded the cracked patch and low and behold the game ran a hell of a lot better. Then the newest patch was released i had to revert all my changes and go back to legitimate then it ran like garbage again. Until i changed out my cpu and then the problems went away. For some reason Denuvo Really hits the CPU hard
First: We can’t know how much it affects performance unless we can see how games perform without that cancer, but having to decrypt it while being executed inevitably affects it.
Second: It disallows modding and user-made patches, those that become a must once developers stop caring about the game, and there’s a high chance there will be compatibility issues in the future.
Third: Stop calling everyone with half a brain thieves, it only shows your lack of neutrality.
1. Of course, it may cost some performance. It is not hard to download cracked Denuvo game and compare with bought Denuvo game, so you can do it, I’m sure many would be interested, right.
2. “Yes, we have found a way to properly debug the game, but unfortunately there is still one small issue left. Do note that none of this code to circumvent DENUVO anti-tamper is going to be included in the released version nor will be made open source.”
It is possible to “circumvent” Denuvo and mod the game. Just like I said, it is harder but not impossible.
3. Pirates are the main group who is affected by Denuvo, so it makes sense they are here protesting against it. And I’m not neutral. I’m sick of those entitled pirates ruining my platform and making it less worth it to produce good games on.
You clearly have no idea how denuvo cracking works, and I’m not going to explain it, educate yourself and then make things up, not the other way around.
I don’t care about cracking, you’re right. I’m paying user, yes I’m that stupid I want to support my platform.
Then stop using cracked games as examples, what’s wrong with you?
You are not stupid for being a paying user who wants to support their platform. You are stupid and naive because you seem to believe that a DRM solves everything and will kill piracy / make them pay up etc.
Taking Ubisoft as an example, you probably even believe Ubisoft suffers from epic losses because of pirates. Yeah I would not be surprised.
Ubishit is too proud to admit they don’t work hard on making PC games and blames their target audience left and right for everything wrong with them. Justifying DRM with piracy when their UPlay was just broken / unplayable as crap. Even their steam games comes with UPlay just to screw with their customer base.
But they forget there are plenty of you to keep funding them forever.
Speak for yourself, I have issues with it and buy all my games!
I don’t really play games much now days, and i’m not really into AAA games at all since they are not that good, it won’t affect me that much. Denuvo might cause many issues, you can’t say there is none and i can’t say they are (performance issues for one), but looking at the history and the people behind it, it’s not looking good. one issue is modding, right now they can’t mod JC3’s multiplayer because of Denuvo.
Why i’m against it ? because it’s anti consumer and it’s a barrier between a consumer and his product, in the past in caused lots of problems (M&MH6 was unplayable because of it’s DRM and tens of other games with worst faith than that) becuase it won’t benefit me at all, infact it’s just another crap protection that is running in the background on top of another one.
Why are you so pro denuvo ? are you working for them ? cuz you are in every denuvo article and defending it. is it somehow beneficial for you ?
And no, it won’t help, that terrible broken mess “BAK” v1 was cracked but when they fixed it and re-released it with the new version of denuvo, sales stayed the same. MGS GZ was an overpriced demo without denuvo, sold almost as much as the full open world (and overhyped) game MGS TPP with denuvo. witcher 3 a drm free game, sold more than any denuvo title released last year combined, so as fallout 4. hell Pillars of Eternity (also drm free and an indie game) sold more than any denuvo title that release to date.
I checked JC3 MP forums and the development did not stop, so what are you talking about?
In which way it is anti-consumer? It is just a way to protect a product. It is more like anti-pirate, which is a good thing.
M&MH6 – had online only DRM, which I do not support. Games should work offline as well. It is not related to Denuvo at all.
I’m pro Denuvo because I’m long time PC gamer and I see what piracy did to our platform, publishers prefer peasant consoles because they make more sales, not platform where big number of users refuse to pay for games. Even today when it got better with Steam and digital stores, we still see for example PS4 selling more than PC.
Also Arkham Knight problems are nothing to do with it, again. Max Max and Metal Gear Solid V had Denuvo and were the best running titles on the PC of the last year.
Any more arguments?
“development did not stop”
no, as they said, they are working to remove denuvo so they can mod the game. it’s impossible right now to mod unless they remove denuvo and they are trying to do that. educate yourself and read their statement again.
you blind ? i told my reasons then you ask in which way ?
M&MH6 is related to DRM, and i said tens of other games which used SecuRom which made by the same people who made denuvo, at first they defended it, the damage was done few years later.
piracy did nothing to our platform, lack of any good services did, in this case Steam to the rescue, it changed alot of things and now PC is bigger than ever. PS4 is selling more AAA games because they don’t have a library as big as PC, you want to sell COD on PS4 your rival is Battlefield, but on PC you have tens more and you did worst on this platform before (lies,bad ports etc…) also no marketing on PC versions cuz it don’t owned by anyone so there is no one to pay for marketing like M$ or $ony. many games sold on PC more than both consoles combiend, Xcom/Wasteland 2 or Divinity are the examples.
Also MaxMax and MGS5 are both empty deserts and Batman AK and Lords of the Fallen and Just Cause 3 all runs like crap.
LOL, yeah MGS5 and Mad Max empty deserts is true, party why they run so well, funny how JC3 has serious performance issues on console and very long loading times.
“Yes, we have found a way to properly debug the game, but unfortunately there is still one small issue left. Do note that none of this code to circumvent DENUVO anti-tamper is going to be included in the released version nor will be made open source.”
There are more like bypassing it.
SecuROM is different and definitely not Denuvo, so it is not the same thing.
Piracy did nothing. ROFL. So millions of players just stealing the games are not an issue? I’m sure publishers do not want their games to sell and are okay with almost everyone torrenting it. You can’t be serious.
Even empty desert can be badly optimized. So if Denuvo was bad, it would make all games running bad.
I think we will know more about this when RoTR releases and how it will be optimized.
“There are more like bypassing it”
how ? by removing it or just working with the devs and get the codes.
Denuvo is the successor of SecuRom. so they are the same thing, different version of the same thing with different name.
millions stealing ? lol. either way none of them would buy the game. so nothing has changed and in the end nothing is going in publisher’s pocket. instead of these s**t practices they can do a better job in other regions with pricing.
yet still no one knows about performance issues. empty desert only can runs bad if the devs are literally monkeys. also you are debating about performance over and over again to a person who said nothing about performance at all.
How? You have it in the qoute. They wrote the code to circumvent the Denuvo and debug the game.
Succesor does not mean as bad as predecessor. So it is irrelevant.
Yes, pricing is the issue, but you can have new game at 10$ and pirate will still torrent it and not bother checking the price. And there are pirates who can afford the games, do not act like everyone is so poor. So in the end publisher gets more from uncracked game then from game cracked day one or even sooner.
“empty desert only can runs bad if the devs are literally monkeys”
Just like those monkeys who made Arkham Knight which uses old engine.
“Succesor does not mean as bad as predecessor”
It exactly means that. it’s a useless software on top of another one and won’t benefit anyone but the people who made it.
“can have new game at 10$”
Not really, even russian versions are more than 20$ and 20$ still means alot in some countries and almost all of those russian versions have region lock which means many countries still can’t access that.
“publisher gets more from uncracked game”
Not really, i said it in a few post earlier, MGSV was a good example sales are almost the same on both versions of the game. they are three kinds of pirates, The ones who pirate cuz they can (the real a**holes), some of them are console gamers who don’t want to pay for multiplatform titles, these people won’t buy games no matter what so denuvo won’t help at all.
The ones who pirate first then buy games, some of them are ok with the new refund system (see a better service works, sort of) but some are still won’t buy a game till they test it first for free, if it’s uncrackable they are not going to buy it, specially when sometime steam might reject the refund and it’s not instant. remember when some companies decided to remove DEMOs cuz they had negative impact on sales ? yeah those guys.
The ones who can not afford expensive games because of their currency or just being poor. a better service & pricing could end this type of piracy and it’s a win/win situation. they can’t afford it, so it’s either pirating the game or not playing at all. again DRM won’t help the publisher, but a good pricing and regional support will.
Amir, in many points you are right. But it won’t matter in the long run. As you can see, devs making PC games are moving to this solution. Nobody wants their products stolen, who would have thought. As it keeps getting better, more and more use it will see. The same people who are the angriest about it, are the reason why it is even happening.
nothing can stop pirates brother..
I buy all my games legit but,
When I uninstall ANY software, I want it completely removed from my pc, That’s the issue!
Leaving any trace is asking for a security issue and some dodgy people out their will try to exploit that.
Go do some research and you will see what already happened in the past regarding DRM, Caused security issue in the OS.
Yea but it won’t be playable. The latest Denuvo is still uncracked. No crack for Just cause 3 is being made because the anti tamper garbage is too damn powerful. I refuse to support Denuvo so these two games are on my black list. Any Company who forces extra files to remain on your pc long after an uninstall is asking for trouble
No one asked you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo#List_of_protected_games Where did you see that the Division is a denuvo game? I want to know whether or not to install it on SSD or HDD. F’ing Denuvo – bought new SSD, no games that I can install on it…..
it’s a rumor but i guess i read it here in dsog.
“CERTAIN FILES OF THE ANTI-TAMPER TECHNOLOGY MAY REMAIN EVEN AFTER THE PRODUCT IS UNINSTALLED FROM YOUR COMPUTER. “
I love how people are ok with this and supporting this hahah
Between Windows 10, and anything else, it barely matters what screws up your PC.
Of course, like I said before, they will do anything to play their games, they have no choice.
Not p(l)ay it?
But i forgot. We are all man child and kids with no morals.
lol he says he has no choice, thats really funny
dont play it, simple choice (didnt say easy)
Well, stop using Windows then if your morals are so high and mighty.
those files can be removed from your pc manually…Its stated by denuvo on their official site …
Well i’m glad it came out now, gives me lots of time to cross them off from my wishlist and replace them with other games
I favor denuvo over always online anytime. Only setback is that denuvo also prevents modding.
for the longterm game preservasion its the same …. look at all those Tages, Securom (same devs as denuvo), Starforce games not legally working now on Win Vista and above
I’m guessing Denuvo forgot to mention that some files will remain on our pc’s after we unninstall the games. What kind of bulls*it is that!?
nah its there in FC: Primals eula
To lay eggs & make your PC slower filled of junks 🙂
I mean just about every program leaves files on your pc after you uninstall it so…….is this really surprising?
Woooooooow !!! How shocky 😉
They created Securom many years ago, causing a lot of troubles to the legit buyers. Now we have Denuvo, which is causing even more problems. These guys need to get the f*ck out of the gaming… no, any industry. We need Kickstarter to buy them one way tickets to Mars.
easy, creative people will start to see bullshit for the companies their working and start to go to kickstarter to be independent game creators, we pirates have to make so that any creative person can do so with no corporate bullshit.
Pirating these titles will make the situation even worse. The only right thing to do is just ignore, completely ignore them. It’s good that I’m not even remotely interested in them.
What problems is Denuvo causing?
Sorry, I don’t intend to waste my time on people who are supporting anti-consumer practices.
So you are admitting there are no problems with Denuvo. Of course, nothing surprising. Enjoy it, pirate scum.
0/10
I’m not actually trolling. If you showed good reason to be against Denuvo, I can change my mind. But as far as I see only the pirates are whining because they won’t be able to steal anymore.
I love it. Thieves are bad enough, but thieves who justify it any way they can, are worse.
1. If you want to know how it performs, buy it on steam or Origin. Get a refund if it performs poorly.
2. What other reason would there be for a try before you buy mentality?
>I’m not actually trolling.
No, you’re viral marketing. You’re an ad.
So… there are no problems?
If random_user_1 didn’t answer the obviously provoking troll question from random_user_2 it could only mean that there are no problems with Denuvo, all the left is right and all the white is black.
looks like denuvo people put all of their earnings into marketing stuff :)) hiring people to shill for them in every social network available out there, paid promotions/news which we had in 10 or more gaming sites including this one at the same time two weeks ago. funnier than that is most of people who defend it specially in here are consoles players and well known trolls.
Yeah, the environment here is pretty toxic.
Someone could probably explain all these people that Denuvo seems impenetrable just because it was used in 64bit only games, and 64bit compilation isn’t as advanced as 32bit for the time being, not because it’s a good DRM.
Explaining how exactly it takes performance from a PC would require a lot of knowledge about low-key programming, but it takes it nonetheless and sometimes in not very optimized way, loading your RAM and CPU with useless stuff.
So much butthurt…
What I enjoy the most are the ‘fanboiz’ widening up their butt cheeks and screaming “Put it deeper! I beg of you!” without even them realising it.
gg
still thinks its to early for this DRM to be called uncrackable… right now maybe, but eventually it will be figured out.
Yeah like we didn’t know that this was gonna happen. Anyways it good for them but bad for all those PC gamers who lives in 3rd world countries and for some who live in the second world countries. Guess they can switch to reading books, kicking a football or just stare at the wall
i won’t be buying far cry primal or rise of the tomb raider, every Denuvo protected game i have bought has been laggy and unstable, DRM destroys games for the consumer, but when pirates remove the DRM, pirates get a better gaming experience than the legitimate consumer, it’s out of order!!!
Well just to add a counter point to your post, I own lots of Denuvo games now yet I haven’t had a single issue with any of them in regards to performance, crashes or anything else of that nature. Also how can pirates get a better experience when Denuvo has been all but uncrackable?.
I don’t believe pirates get a better version of the game either as it’s usually riddled with bugs like the very narrow field of view bug or all sorts of problems that people may be happy to overlook because they didn’t pay for the game but anyone who wants to enjoy the game from beginning to end will be irritated to fcuk by.
Also I only recently upgraded my near 7 years old i7 2600 @ 3.4ghz yet it had no issues running said games stable at 60fps.
Finally, piracy might be dying. Now only if customers learned to support good games and ignore the trash.
More game sales will help drive growth of PC gaming. It will make sense for publishers to focus on PC more, if there’ll be more money to be made and stealing will stop.
Spending 250.000$ on denuvo instead making game run better is nonsense! btw
game is copy paste without guns and cars
Yeah exactly! Never intended to buy this anyway, and sice it’s ubisoft and and now i have no way of knowing how the game runs on my pc, no demo, no buy.
and birds can drop bombs! lol
Aghahahahahahah Ubisoft get out from Pc gaming!
Best parts of the EULA:
– “CERTAIN FILES OF THE ANTI-TAMPER TECHNOLOGY MAY REMAIN EVEN AFTER THE PRODUCT IS UNINSTALLED FROM YOUR COMPUTER. “.
– “IN NO EVENT SHALL UBISOFT BE LIABLE IN CONNECTION WITH THE COMPONENTS
THAT MAY BE INSTALLED ON YOUR COMPUTER BY ANY DRM SOFTWARE OR IN
CONNECTION WITH THE ANTI-TAMPER TECHNOLOGY.”
😀
It is what it is. Until the day Denuvo folds due to bankruptcy and what not, we’ll be stuck with this crap for the foreseeable future. But I can assure you cd key third party selling sites or very discounted online game retailers like GMG are pretty happy about this. This will only soar their sales where more consumers will now look for discounted prices for these new games.
The alternative is unless more developers support the no DRM cause like CD Projekt RED, Denuvo and similar companies will continue to exist and leech.
No DRM is sadly not viable solution. It could be in perfect world which is not full of pirates entitled to steal products. Denuvo is better than always online, does not cause issues, so I’m okay with it.
>entitled
>steal
>Denuvo does not cause issues
Shill confirmed, DSOG, please ban.
Cry more, thief. I am not shill, just paying customer. Piracy did a lot of damage to my only favourite gaming platform. We need to move on.
Well, gee, now I have to hope that FCP is good just so Denuvo gets cracked faster. I don’t like my odds. They need to attach it to a game people, other than their own viral marketers, are interested in.
“But according to current trends in the development of encryption technology, in two years time I’m afraid there will be no free games to play in the world.” Well, gee, pirate, future looks bleak for your kind.
If you made a DRM, would you tell people it will not work in two years? Would you tell people you’re never going to be able to stop piracy? No, you wouldn’t. What you’re posting is “PR”, not facts.
Why it is PR, it was said by hacker on forum. The same hacker that have trouble with cracking the latest game.
I will only get Rise of the Tomb Raider, but I m gonna be busy playing storm 4 :O , and farcry primal I dont care and I didnt even care from the start
I knew straight away when i read the title thatthis was going to be a bigger bomb than hiroshima :(.
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Well using denovo defeats the purpose of open nature of the OS.Well I am not complaining but still developers need to understand that those who pirate games are never ever gonna buy games in the first place so yeah placing these stupid DRM’s won’t help them increase sales.Its funny from now on people have to pirate games to mod them lol even legit consumers.
Many pirates can afford the game but choose not to because they can save money by stealing it. So this is very good change. “of open nature of the OS.” What open OS?
yep.
if pc gamers stopped pirateing there would be no need for the drm.i think ALL games should have it.you make the bed you lie in..
HAHAHAHAHAHAH, console games used to get pirated like crazy, all consoles have anti piracy measures, idiot. Don’t you remember the chipped playstation 1?
key words used to.i like this drm it kills mods and stops pirateing..lol..
but i guess those guy will break down and go to those grey markey cd keys sites right?
cdkeys provide a legal service with valid cdkeys.
keep thinking that it its not $60 like it is from steam it not legal….lol
Lot of people sell codes they get with their video card. Other source is retail games. I read a post once from the guy who ordered a lot of retail copies and sold codes from them for a profit on key selling sites.
that different from a grey market cd key site that gets its cd keys from russia.isnt it?
If it wasn’t legal the keys wouldn’t work, idiot.
>i like this drm it kills mods
From the collection of things NO PC GAMER WOULD EVER SAY.
lol
Let me recap: You think piracy is stealing, you are against MODS and you are against PC gaming altogether. What excuse do you have for browsing a PC gaming site?
Hvd = Confirmed shill
as are you
For which company?
You for denuvo, or rather a viral marketing firm that represents denuvo.
lol who is trolling now?..nothing intelligent to say because you got nothing to say….lol troll
Being a “shill” means getting paid to push a corporate agenda. Which corporation shares MY agenda (for piracy, for mods)? Who pays me? Go ahead, tell us. Surely you weren’t just deflecting 😉
“after further investigation … we are reinstating keys for consumers who already had successfully activated and started playing the games. Any remaining fraudulently obtained and resold keys have been deactivated.”
I am lucky because i still have a gift card from a gameshop that they gave me as a Christmas present. With this i can buy any PC retail game i want for free! And of course Tomb Raider will be my choice! Thery had gives me two gift cards With the first i bought Just Cause 3 for free! But i will have to pay for Far cry primal and any other denuvo game from then… Unless someone gives me more gift cards from gameshops!!!! Arr you jealous of me now?
STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT DRM! I have JC3 MGS 5 Mad max. MGS5 and Mad max runs max settings 4k DSR 30+ fps without any issues! JC3 runs 1080p 60 fps max settings again with no issues! So stop complaining and upgrade your PC!!!!
30+ fps???
LMAO, how about you lower your standards a bit more? The human eye can’t see more than 1 fps any way. Instead of developers optimizing their games “just upgrade”? Facepalm.
I’ll probably pass on this title anyway, it’s not like I’m missing anything. Same shXX, diff package
doesnt denuvo stop mod use?.only pc pirates complain about the drm.i hope ALL GAMES start to use it.i got no issue with it at all
if the dev doesnt want mods i see no issue wit it.its the game that they made.you dont have to mod every single game.
You as a paying customer will not be punished. The Denuvo does not make well optimized game running bad. Only the pirates are punished because they can’t steal the game.
If you were buying games on PC, you had to deal with DRM before. If the DRM does not cause problems, I don’t see what is wrong with it. Games need to be protected in some way, that’s sad truth.
>If the DRM does not cause problems
It does cause problems, you’ve even admitted to this in other posts. Ad.
Yes, problems for pirates. And problems with modding, but it is only harder, but not impossible.
>The Denuvo does not make well optimized game running bad.
It just makes all games run worse than they could. There is no excuse for that.
And the pirates WILL get the game, just later. And when they do it will be better than what paying customers got.
There is excuse. If stealing was not so rampant, companies would not bother with protecting their products from illegal use. As one pirate hacker said, future looks like pirates will not get any free games anymore because protection keeps getting better. And even with games that was cracked, it looks like Denuvo is still there and pirates can’t remove it, only circumvent it or emulate it on some way.
Not gonna argue abut whether Denuvo is good or bad, but they will be cracked and completely useless in less than a year. Mark my words. There weren’t many crackers working on Denuvo before because it wasn’t used in that many games. The quote you put there is from a guy in 3DM who said that because they were the only ones working on Denuvo at the moment. And honestly, they are some of the least skilled hackers in the cracking scene. As more crackers like dz, codex and blackbox focus on Denuvo, it will go down in no time. Hell, the other protection companies are trying to crack Denuvo themselves to eliminate the competition. You say the protection is improving but forget that cracking technologies can improve too
Damn it must be rough not being able to use steam.
Same here mate.
It makes modding harder, but not impossible. An expire date of the game is just your theory. By your logic everyone who buys from Steam is getting scr€wed because the games will suddenly expire if Steam goes down.
Nobody is calling them out, mostly everyone is crying because their piracy is at risk.
“Do you really think pirates will suddenly pay 60 bucks for a game?”
Those who can, they will have to. Nobody should be able to steal the product anyway. The legit costumers will buy the games and enjoy it. The pirates will cry and beg for the crack. Seems good.
No, it makes some mods literally impossible to exist.
You’re getting the short end and are thankful for it, you’re pathetic.
Yes, used games are bad as well. It is console peasant way of not paying for the game and ripping off developers.
SO you have a 750ti….lol
lol close, gtx760 lol, but about to install an evga gtx980ti.
That’s my point though, PC’s are more powerful, even with an outdated GPU lol
The Witcher 1 Enhanced Edition is amazing, don’t underestimate how good it is.
using it more will only cause more pirates to try and crack it.
supply will meet demand
Damn, I hope these games can be cracked.
No crack yet for Just Cause 3
Also, Metal Gear Solid V current crack is not good. There is no crack for the updated version that fix Quiet bug
This is very worrying
Learn to buy games, thief.
hhhhhh he”s not a thief , he”s a pirate and you must fear him 😀
Haha, no wonder I buy console games instead of PC games.
And PC games are way cheaper.
Oh well. As long as I have the opportunity the play the game, that’s what really matters. I’d rather not have some Denuvo Anti-Tamper Tech sh*t messing up my PC or the security on it. I don’t want some third-party software going through my personal files on my PC either. It kinda annoys me how ridiculously-priced DLC is on console. That is off-putting.
Enjoy your 30 FPS.
lol, yeah. I really don’t care too much about the graphics and frame-rate as long I can play the game and it runs smoothly. Well, I do care about the frame-rate and graphics, but it’s not that bad on console. I’m more a console gamer than PC gamer. A bit of both, actually.
nope starforce reappeared as actcontrol 😉 Denuvo anti-tamper is created by the minds behind Securom (who dissapeared for a while after securom rootkit scandal)
Alright I see. And I have heard that atleast some of the dipshits behind it, have been in the scene before.
F*ckn sellouts I say :/
uplay + denuvo…
most ubisoft games are fun to play, but usually broken in some way. only if hey spent their money and time on fixing their games before launch, rather than using them on unneeded drms
yet it runs uncharted 4 at 0p and 0fps, that’s some power!
I run JC3 at 1080p 60 FPS ultra settings why you console struggle to run it and i have 970 G1 GAMING. Well the only games that dont come to pc are sony and nitendo games evrything else comes to it. I dont care for the 2 or 3 games evry year that dont get released on pc when evrythging else comes to it
yet you run uncharted 4 at 0p, 0fps on pc
in ur dreams my friend..whats so special about Uncharted 4 graphics? u know that Crysis 1 from 2006 better then it right and it runs
smooth on any resolution and u keep struggling to reach 20fps hhhh
you can sya whatever you want, uncharted 4 is still 0p,0fps on pc
and gears of war ultimate edition is running at 0p and 0fps on ps4 along with forza 6 running at 0p and 0fps on ps4 halo also running at a mighty 0p and 0fps on ps4 so whats your point you goon
and gears of war ultimate edition is running at 0p and 0fps on ps4 along with forza 6 running at 0p and 0fps on ps4 halo also running at a mighty 0p and 0fps on ps4 so whats your point you goon…
yeah, just the same, 95 metacritic masterpiece
yeah masterpiece, not a free to play dogshit like the pc gaymes
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Loving all the Pirates complaining here lol Nothing new.. And also how people are criticizing the games now just because they won’t be able to afford it where they would normally get it for free..
The future of software thieves and cheaters is full of sadness. lol
FIFA 15, Lords of the Fallen, Inquisition, MGS:5 and Mad Max has ALL been successfully cracked… So don’t worry boys.
couldn’t care less i don’t care about this stupid caveman simulator
piracy is not your problem, dear friends from ubi…. denovo not a solution…. just look the witcher 3 no protection and sell like hot bread.
The scene has gone to sht anyways. Skidrow, reloaded, razor1911, or who else is still active, all abandoned ship.
Basically we only have 3DM doing something for PC.
Can we all buy Denuvo, shut it down, and destroy all their tech and documents?
this is a red flag for me , how dare any system leave any certain files on my pc
no need to fight , Denuvo is like starforce , Denuvo will die with cancer soon 🙂
It’s still not a fair comparison. The install base for PC is way WAY higher then the X1. Even PS4 isn’t comparable to PC. But the PS4 v. PC numbers would be “more” fair… Where are those (obviously not here, because they don’t support your argument…)?
Seriously ? Every time an organization chooses security measurements , it always get cracked after some minor passage of time . Like Dragon Age Inqusition. PS3 got jailbreaked . Android Still can root after knox and new updates . ios still can be jailbreaked . No Permanant solution is available YET.
totally agree
the bad thing is that any scene groups didnt mention any news
I refuse to use DRM on my machine as I am one of those who lost a lot of data thanks to DRM fecking up my PC a few years ago. I use torrents as they cause less damage than a £30 game does! Will Ubisoft buy me a new PC if it becomes infested with DRM crap? I bet the answer is no! So SKIDROW and 3DM are my best friends, so a big UP YOURS to Ubisoft!
http://i.imgur.com/WY1ts8K.jpg die denuvo dieeeeeeeeeeeeeee
https://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20150527/14051731130/cd-projekt-red-does-everything-right-with-witcher-3-drm-dlcand-breaks-sales-records.shtml
Witcher 3 has been set as an example many times by different people claiming Denuvo and all that’s just not nessecary in the end. I yet have to read a direct answer contradicting these claims, without disregarding The Witcher 3 or getting ad hominem or falling for another fallacy. Is it because that’s harder than to call the other person a filthy pirate thief?
Because you’ve never dl’ed something that had even the slightest byte of suspicion in it, right? Because never has somebody dl’ed a virus, thinking he was dl’ing the long awaited game, right? But even if so, it at least came all in for free, right? Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m just making conclusions based on how or what some folks respond / behave.
It makes you think though, how different, if any different at all, would a gaming company be if these hackers / crackers would be on top of it?
Cue the sad tears of people realizing they might have to actually pay for a game, and then blaming everyone from Microsoft to Ubisoft.
with JC3 success they thought there will b no more Pirated games lol
they hv no idea that the game got hacked already
It’s non of your concern anyway, go back to overpriced XBL and PSN markets and beg like a peasant that you are 😀
you mean go back to our superior multiplayer network with the better community…lol i will
uhh, what? coming from someone who found JC3, inquisition, and lords of the fallen. Denuvo isn’t president yet, the flags are still waving
No, feminazis! Its a real word you know, look for it on wikipedia. It doesnt have anything to do with Hitler or stuff like that.
How the f*ck is this about “radical feminist”?
Because you see, Laura only kills men, men, and more men. Its unacceptable and needs to be banned as soon as possible. We MEN will walk into UN and EU and demand that these games either be banned or that they fix rampant misandry male massmurder in video games. Make them GENDER EQUAL you know, so men can enjoy them too. Rise of Bomb raider promotes radical feminism, male massmurder, sexism and its completely inacceptable in 2016.
Are you trolling or you’re that stupid? You probably played shooters. And guess what? You kill men too! Only men! But that’s ok because you play as male? So you’re biggest minus with game is that you kill men with a woman? You’re an idiot.
Not in Call of Duty: Black Ops 3, lots of female terrorist soldiers there so how stupid are YOU, idiot!
That’s one game you can think of. Are you female btw? Why are you so butthurt?
And btw Why is it ok for men to shoot women and not ok for women to shoot men?
Because its all she does, kill men.
So does Trevor in gruesome ways and that’s ok?
No they should have included more women in GTA 5.
So they can go on killing sprees? 😀
That too.
1. The 2gb 750ti and i3 has been matching , if not outperforming the consoles and that will continue when we get full specs required for TR, just watch Digital Foundry face off where the nearly 3 years old budget GPU matches XB1. Also Eurogamer built a £350 PC with the i3 and 750ti last year that outperformed XB1, matched PS4 while costing them same money as a console, that very same PC can be bought even cheaper today or for the same money you could buy a GTX950, follow Digital Foundry. I am totally bemused that you believe a console will last 8 years but PC hardware as good or better cannot?. Don’t hit me with “optimisation”, you do realise that NVIDIA or AMD release graphic drivers that optimise the performance of all the big and small PC games?. Who do you believe can optimise better, console developers or people who actually designed and built the hardware?. If the 750ti falls way behind the consoles in the far future it will be because no one no longer owns it so NVIDIA won’t be optimising for it anymore, but then 750ti cost £80, imagine how much raw GPU power you will get for just £80 in say 4-5 years and then realise that’s why next to no one will be using 750ti anymore
2 What fees, well all those people who want to game online, you know like 75% of the PS4 owners?.
3. Not going to talk to you about PC upgrades as you are nuts, you talk about being forced to upgrade every 2 years and NEED 3gb of VRAM , yet the near 3 years old budget £80 GPU with 2gb of VRAM is still embarrassing consoles. That and my 4 years old GPU that I no longer use still stomps both consoles into the mud with only 2gb of VRAM. Or the fact that I just recently replaced my 6+ years old i7 2600 which still a$$ r@pes both consoles CPU’s combined,. You are an idiot for thinking you can use the same console hardware for 8 years yet PC gamers are forced to upgrade.
You are complete and utter fool, you talk about DDR4 yet you do not realise your consoles have to share memory bandwidth between CPU and GPU which is why so many games don’t even have simple texture filtering.
What about Directx12 and Windows 10?. Microsoft has given Windows 10 away free to anyone who owns Windows 8 or 7.
Also I hope Denuvo breaks the pirates hearts, I support PC gaming and developers so hate seeing people who can afford to buy their games pirating, there nothing but leaches.
ok then why a 2005 PC cannot play rise of tomb raider,Hitman absolution,Crysis 3,Black ops 2,Batman arkham origins,call of duty modernwarfare 3,+many others….and a XBOX360 CAN!.simply DX 10 DX 11 REQUIREMENTS ON PC.Xbox still DX9.I had PC in 2003 for almost 500 $ back then Geforce 5700,amd athlon xp 3200+,hdd 80 gb,256 mb ddr1 400 mhz.In 2007 CRYSIS WAS THE KILLER and year was only 4 years since first buy PC,then upgrade 2 GB and an HD 3650 512ddr3,kept that pc till 2008.NOT ANY SSE2 CPU INSTRUNCTION RELEASED games worked(DMC4,ASSASSIN and following released games)no upgrade need it???i throwed the PC because i had to buy new socket and from 2003 and 2008 are 5 years only NOT 8.i bought XBOX360 and played every game,pirated of course,RGH mod.even ASSASSIN CREED 3.On a PC from 2005 you cannot play anything with dx 11 or 10,not used in 2005.also dual core was the most expensive CPU intel Core 2 DUO camed later.Now HISTORY IS REPEATING.Now PC is better.It will be better,in 2018 with 400 $ you will gona have a way better pc than a PS4.but in present with 400 $ your PC in winter 2018 will be OVER.
PS.i posted some similar coment in 2007 after crysis release,saying about that a xbox360 is better(everyone said PC IS GOD,no way an xbox will ever see Crysis game on it!!!more than 200 downlikes.After 2 years Crysis 2 XBOX 360,Crysis 1 xbox360 digital download,etc),well crysis defined requirements and gaming started evolve(PC HAD TO UPGRADE),I paid 300 euro for xbox another 50 for RGH,and 0 $ games only 13 i had buyed ORIGINAL(GEARS OF WAR 3,FORTZA 4,DEUS EX,MASS EFFECT 2,3,ASSASSIN CREED BROTHERHOOD,REVELATIONS,III,PGR4,MORTAL KOMBAT,FIFA 14,+SOME OTHERS)and in 2012 it turned as I said in 2007.I WILL SEE YOU WITH YOUR 8600 GT AND 2 DDR2 AND INTEL CORE 2 DUO AT 2,6 GHZ how you’ll be able to PLAY CRYSIS 3,AND 2012 GAMES IN GENERAL.only 5 years difference.NOT AGAIN 8.By the way that XBOX 360 was able to run Rise of Tomb raider also.a 2005 PC CAN DO THAT???????.
and for your sake from a year now i buy games,and i will buy games,maybe less games i will play but i will buy,why?because i have a PS4.I hate playing Online,i play only maximum 2 or 3 hours a day 3 days in a week,rest are at work and with my son(money goes on him,not on games,but…).so only aprox 10 hours a week,online require more time.I do not have time for online gaming.
I played pirated due expensive products,low salaries,and mostly why buy a game when PC is stupid and lags.for X360 was only money problem.when no job but still want to play…well piratebay is a source.not only for games,but movies,i also go to cinema for every COOL movie,for the rest DOWNLOAD.WHY?why to pay 10 or 20 euro for a movie i see ONCE.For games same , 60 Euro for 6/7 hours(online is repetetive,for FPS same arenas different levels,equipement,for RPG LONG STORY same places,a lot of backtrack).now i will buy but for ps4.for pc only 1 or 2 games year.The rest DOWNLOAD.and is not free.you still have to pay bill for electricity,and internet provider,food,clothes,water provider,heat provider,TV provider,transport GAS for your car.SO there are more important things to PAY rather than GAMES.ask your parents for how much they invested in YOU…RATHER than PARTY,GAMES,FUN,THEIR OWN TIME?see what they say.i don’t think that you was left aside for some games.
Stop queefing out massive walls of text with no paragraphs, I can’t assed even trying to read all that.
However if a 2005 PC is/was unable to play certain games it’s because those games on PC used Directx11 game engines to take advantage of all the Directx11 rendering tech that console gamers didn’t see in console games until XB1 and PS4 launched 4 years later.
It’s quite simple really, the developers look to see what kind of hardware the PC gamers are using and build their game around that hardware. You honestly think a publisher who only wants as much money as possible decides to finance a game that only a small minority of PC gamers can even run?. No
PC gamers were crying out for games to use Directx11 engines which allowed for things like higher quality textures, Shader model 5.0, tessellation, DX11 enhanced shadows, real time reflections and all the other things that now make up the backbone of the PS4 and XB1’s visual capabilities./
You are talking about a 2005 PC not being able to play some games that 360 can. Well when the “next-gen” consoles got ports of so called “last-gen” games like say Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs, Metro LL, Saints Row4, Borderlands the Pre Sequel every single one of these games were inferior to the years old Directx11 versions that happened to launch alongside the old Directx9 360 and PS3 versions as shown by Digital Foundry
Sooo if the next-gen consoles that launched up to two years after these original Directx11 versions of multiplatform games went on sale and yet still couldn’t match the years old PC versions then what chance in hell is a 2005 years old PC , PS3, OR 360 going to have running the Directx11 versions of PC multiplatform games?.
In other words, don’t try and compare Directx9 360 and PS3 versions of games against Directx11 PC versions because even PS4 and XB1 have been shown to be unable to match the full quality of the DX11 PC versions even though those consoles launched years later
I am not even going to address any of the other stuff because not only is not really relevant to anything I originally said but the main reason is that you have just queefed a block of text at me with no paragraphs, you know those spaces I have used when moving from one point to another so my points are easy to keep track of?.
I did not compared a DX 9 game with DX 11.All I say and over with it,is the fact that a 2005 PC worth 600 $ or even more is not able to run any DX11 game due DirectX restrictions,while a Xbos360 can in DX 9.It is normal to be like that,PC must GET BETTER..THE POINT.PS4 will be able to run assassin creed Destiny 2019(name only just as example)in DX 11 environement while on PC DX 12 will be need for it,for higher graphics and stuff.THE REAL POINT.In a PC you constant make investments to be supperior,to keep up,to EVOLVE.and is NORMAL.but the ideea is that TECHNOLOGY EVOLVE FAST.Watch on wikipedia or anywhere,for how many GPU,CPU,MB where released since 1990 and how many consoles,including Sega,Nintendo,Atari.THE FACT IS not only PC vs Consoles,but for Mobile Phones(Iphone series,Samsung series.etc),TV(from standard screes with tube to 4K and 3D)HOW MUCH MONEY INVESTED IN TECHNOLOGY?.Is a good thing but all this started from you said something about PC will always be over Consoles with same price and for long run.now is a new post on DSOG about performance analysis for Rise of Tomb Radier.and Nvidia 690 is gettin only 45 fps.THAT CARD 4 YEARS AGO WAS ALMOST 1000 EURO.Was better than anything,and people still say that a 500 euro PC is way better than a PS4,when a 1000 euro GPU is starts to get low fps.NOT me but people say”change that 690 with a 980 or something”.What the 8 year THEORY is not anymore VALID.And if it IS,why new card for perfomance analysis.THE OLD ONE IS TO OLD.Turned that i was right.Again.
Looks like 2 More Games on my Blacklist. I will never support Denuvo it basically calls us Pc Choosers thief’s